New track time for the 240...
nissanfanatic
07-17-2005, 06:06 PM
I nailed the launch this time. I was running the exact same setup as last time I ran.
RT--------.188
60'--------2.097
330'-------5.777
1/8ET-----8.744
1/8MPH---80.94
1000'------11.276
1/4ET-----13.404
1/4MPH---105.49
I was stoked after this run. Mind you, this is on an open differentail and 205/55/15 Toyo Proxxes FZ-4's at 40psi.
I met up with a couple guys from NICO also. There were prolly five 240s running that night.
RT--------.188
60'--------2.097
330'-------5.777
1/8ET-----8.744
1/8MPH---80.94
1000'------11.276
1/4ET-----13.404
1/4MPH---105.49
I was stoked after this run. Mind you, this is on an open differentail and 205/55/15 Toyo Proxxes FZ-4's at 40psi.
I met up with a couple guys from NICO also. There were prolly five 240s running that night.
ghostchild316
07-17-2005, 06:26 PM
Nice one man :thumbsup:
I dont think I'll beat my 14.2 anytime soon:frown:
Now turn up the boost and aim for 12's:evillol:
I dont think I'll beat my 14.2 anytime soon:frown:
Now turn up the boost and aim for 12's:evillol:
mason_RsX
07-17-2005, 06:35 PM
Very nice times and trap speed...and yes up the boost
*shakes fist* upp it!
*shakes fist* upp it!
nissanfanatic
07-17-2005, 06:47 PM
No upping the boost. I need this car for my daily driver.
street_racer_00
07-17-2005, 07:32 PM
Wow, that's a good 60' time for running full pressure on 15 inchers...you were right, you DID nail the launch
drftk1d
07-17-2005, 08:33 PM
great job man, thats a good 60 foot. what did you do different this time?
tha_new_guy
07-17-2005, 09:06 PM
Is it really safe to be boosting the KA24's when they are internally stock? They seem less boost friendly when compared to their SR counterpart...what is the compression ratio on a stock KA? Maybe its from a lack of research, but I would be hesitant to boost an internally stock KA...
street_racer_00
07-17-2005, 09:15 PM
Is it really safe to be boosting the KA24's when they are internally stock? They seem less boost friendly when compared to their SR counterpart...what is the compression ratio on a stock KA? Maybe its from a lack of research, but I would be hesitant to boost an internally stock KA...
Apparently the KA's are very boost friendly, in fact, some like it moreso than the SR, at least that's what I've heard 240 owners say.
Apparently the KA's are very boost friendly, in fact, some like it moreso than the SR, at least that's what I've heard 240 owners say.
clawhammer
07-17-2005, 10:45 PM
Congrats on the launch. Half a second off by a good launch.
nissanfanatic
07-17-2005, 11:02 PM
Is it really safe to be boosting the KA24's when they are internally stock? They seem less boost friendly when compared to their SR counterpart...what is the compression ratio on a stock KA? Maybe its from a lack of research, but I would be hesitant to boost an internally stock KA...
Absolutely. The KA has put down 404whp and 400ft lbs of torque (http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm) on a unopened(stock internals and even cams) 114,000 mile KA24DE.
Click to see and read about more stock block action:
No SR20 here (http://www.phatka-t.com/forums/)
No SR20 here (http://ka-t.org/forums)
No SR20 here (http://forums.nicoclub.com/zeroforum?id=170)
No SR20 here (http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10)
No SR20 here (http://www.ka24development.com/)<298whp on stock block
Mostly SR20 here, but still some KA rep (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9)
The truth is, most of us KA-T guys are still stock block. The two I saw out at the track last night were stock blockers. Even the SOHC has proven itself as a badass engine. Some have went as far as to say the KAs pistons are just as strong as the SRs; the only downside to the KA pistons being they have a higher static compression ratio(9.5:1). The stock rods have held a documented 502whp (http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm) and then proceeded to bend with the help of boost creep. The total WHP after boost creep was estimated to be about 550whp+.
So yes, the KA is fully capable of handling boost on stock internals. No reason to be hesitant on anything except for your tuning. Keep AF ratios in check and KEEP TIMING IN CHECK!. Timing is the killer these days. It used to be Air/Fuel ratios, but lately, more and more people have hooked up the wideband, ran 11.2:1 AFs, and somehow popped the engien. Hmm. Timing makes power and also destroys engines. You can run a lil lean and walk away. Prolly run for a couple weeks. But timing, that will kill your engine quickly. example (http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4874)
His last engine was an example too. Same deal.
Absolutely. The KA has put down 404whp and 400ft lbs of torque (http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm) on a unopened(stock internals and even cams) 114,000 mile KA24DE.
Click to see and read about more stock block action:
No SR20 here (http://www.phatka-t.com/forums/)
No SR20 here (http://ka-t.org/forums)
No SR20 here (http://forums.nicoclub.com/zeroforum?id=170)
No SR20 here (http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10)
No SR20 here (http://www.ka24development.com/)<298whp on stock block
Mostly SR20 here, but still some KA rep (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9)
The truth is, most of us KA-T guys are still stock block. The two I saw out at the track last night were stock blockers. Even the SOHC has proven itself as a badass engine. Some have went as far as to say the KAs pistons are just as strong as the SRs; the only downside to the KA pistons being they have a higher static compression ratio(9.5:1). The stock rods have held a documented 502whp (http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm) and then proceeded to bend with the help of boost creep. The total WHP after boost creep was estimated to be about 550whp+.
So yes, the KA is fully capable of handling boost on stock internals. No reason to be hesitant on anything except for your tuning. Keep AF ratios in check and KEEP TIMING IN CHECK!. Timing is the killer these days. It used to be Air/Fuel ratios, but lately, more and more people have hooked up the wideband, ran 11.2:1 AFs, and somehow popped the engien. Hmm. Timing makes power and also destroys engines. You can run a lil lean and walk away. Prolly run for a couple weeks. But timing, that will kill your engine quickly. example (http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4874)
His last engine was an example too. Same deal.
-Josh-
07-17-2005, 11:56 PM
I'll be happy when my car runs 13's, then i can start on the cosmetic shit.... Nice run mang!
nissanfanatic
07-18-2005, 12:54 AM
great job man, thats a good 60 foot. what did you do different this time?
Nothing different. Just pulled a super good launch. Basically got the power to the ground this time.
Nothing different. Just pulled a super good launch. Basically got the power to the ground this time.
TatII
07-18-2005, 01:01 AM
great times, too bad your trap speed got lower since you actually hooked up.
also tha_new_guy i'm running 14.5 psi on my stock KA, and i've been running 9 psi making almost 240whp for 2 years on my unopened 117K mile KA.
also tha_new_guy i'm running 14.5 psi on my stock KA, and i've been running 9 psi making almost 240whp for 2 years on my unopened 117K mile KA.
ghostchild316
07-18-2005, 02:16 PM
Yea my KA burns oil and smokes at WOT and I managed to run a 14.2 with stock MAFS,stock ECU,FMU,small T3 turbo,160k mi on bottom end...
-The Stig-
07-18-2005, 02:17 PM
Yeah? Well... the clutch in my Camaro is about toast...
So take that... you... asian car driving types...
:lol:
So take that... you... asian car driving types...
:lol:
street_racer_00
07-18-2005, 02:41 PM
Yeah? Well... the clutch in my Camaro is about toast...
So take that... you... asian car driving types...
:lol:
Them be fightin' words! :iceslolan
So take that... you... asian car driving types...
:lol:
Them be fightin' words! :iceslolan
ghostchild316
07-18-2005, 10:59 PM
I look funny in my car.Picture a gangster lookin mexican rollin a white s13 fb with all kinds of funny noises coming from the car...
driftking777
07-19-2005, 06:44 PM
very nice times...im thinking if i wasnt wheel hopping all over the damn place thats about what i would be running...need some subframe spacers :(
drftk1d
07-20-2005, 01:05 PM
Yeah? Well... the clutch in my Camaro is about toast...
history repeats itself, eh?
same story as the other z.
history repeats itself, eh?
same story as the other z.
tha_new_guy
07-20-2005, 01:20 PM
Absolutely. The KA has put down 404whp and 400ft lbs of torque (http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm) on a unopened(stock internals and even cams) 114,000 mile KA24DE.
Click to see and read about more stock block action:
No SR20 here (http://www.phatka-t.com/forums/)
No SR20 here (http://ka-t.org/forums)
No SR20 here (http://forums.nicoclub.com/zeroforum?id=170)
No SR20 here (http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10)
No SR20 here (http://www.ka24development.com/)<298whp on stock block
Mostly SR20 here, but still some KA rep (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9)
The truth is, most of us KA-T guys are still stock block. The two I saw out at the track last night were stock blockers. Even the SOHC has proven itself as a badass engine. Some have went as far as to say the KAs pistons are just as strong as the SRs; the only downside to the KA pistons being they have a higher static compression ratio(9.5:1). The stock rods have held a documented 502whp (http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm) and then proceeded to bend with the help of boost creep. The total WHP after boost creep was estimated to be about 550whp+.
So yes, the KA is fully capable of handling boost on stock internals. No reason to be hesitant on anything except for your tuning. Keep AF ratios in check and KEEP TIMING IN CHECK!. Timing is the killer these days. It used to be Air/Fuel ratios, but lately, more and more people have hooked up the wideband, ran 11.2:1 AFs, and somehow popped the engien. Hmm. Timing makes power and also destroys engines. You can run a lil lean and walk away. Prolly run for a couple weeks. But timing, that will kill your engine quickly. example (http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4874)
His last engine was an example too. Same deal.
Damned impressive, I always heard that the SR was overbuilt with boost in mind...thing I always liked about the KA was the amount of torque it put out for a 4 cylinder....my friend just got a brand new KA24DE dropped into his 91 240...I know what I'll be telling him.
Good info though, thanks, make me wanna 240!
QUESTION: why do so many 240 owners feel the need to swap to an SR20 then? Those got to be one of the most overpriced swaps out now...especially in the Bay Area.
Click to see and read about more stock block action:
No SR20 here (http://www.phatka-t.com/forums/)
No SR20 here (http://ka-t.org/forums)
No SR20 here (http://forums.nicoclub.com/zeroforum?id=170)
No SR20 here (http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10)
No SR20 here (http://www.ka24development.com/)<298whp on stock block
Mostly SR20 here, but still some KA rep (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9)
The truth is, most of us KA-T guys are still stock block. The two I saw out at the track last night were stock blockers. Even the SOHC has proven itself as a badass engine. Some have went as far as to say the KAs pistons are just as strong as the SRs; the only downside to the KA pistons being they have a higher static compression ratio(9.5:1). The stock rods have held a documented 502whp (http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm) and then proceeded to bend with the help of boost creep. The total WHP after boost creep was estimated to be about 550whp+.
So yes, the KA is fully capable of handling boost on stock internals. No reason to be hesitant on anything except for your tuning. Keep AF ratios in check and KEEP TIMING IN CHECK!. Timing is the killer these days. It used to be Air/Fuel ratios, but lately, more and more people have hooked up the wideband, ran 11.2:1 AFs, and somehow popped the engien. Hmm. Timing makes power and also destroys engines. You can run a lil lean and walk away. Prolly run for a couple weeks. But timing, that will kill your engine quickly. example (http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4874)
His last engine was an example too. Same deal.
Damned impressive, I always heard that the SR was overbuilt with boost in mind...thing I always liked about the KA was the amount of torque it put out for a 4 cylinder....my friend just got a brand new KA24DE dropped into his 91 240...I know what I'll be telling him.
Good info though, thanks, make me wanna 240!
QUESTION: why do so many 240 owners feel the need to swap to an SR20 then? Those got to be one of the most overpriced swaps out now...especially in the Bay Area.
drftk1d
07-20-2005, 02:36 PM
because its JDM.
and anything JDM is therefore cool.
because all of the drift s13's in japan had them.
and anything JDM is therefore cool.
because all of the drift s13's in japan had them.
nissanfanatic
07-20-2005, 05:28 PM
^Exactly.
The KA pistons IMO are near as strong as the SRs, but the high CR is what makes them peak out lower. I would put money on them holding just as much as a set of SR pistons if they ran exactly the same CR(including head chamber size).
Both engine's bottom ends are strong as shit.
But I would def like to have an SR. It came turboed from the factory so timing and fuel maps are already set up for boost. And also the cooling configuration is much better. The KA has coolant lines running through the intake manifold.
The KA pistons IMO are near as strong as the SRs, but the high CR is what makes them peak out lower. I would put money on them holding just as much as a set of SR pistons if they ran exactly the same CR(including head chamber size).
Both engine's bottom ends are strong as shit.
But I would def like to have an SR. It came turboed from the factory so timing and fuel maps are already set up for boost. And also the cooling configuration is much better. The KA has coolant lines running through the intake manifold.
TatII
07-20-2005, 07:37 PM
i forgot who said it on the 240sxforums, but the quote is this
" every othe company swaps in a bigger displacement engine for more performance, american guys swap in bigger v8's, honda guys swap in bigger engines. then why do nissan guys swap in smaller engines to increase performance :screwy: ?
" every othe company swaps in a bigger displacement engine for more performance, american guys swap in bigger v8's, honda guys swap in bigger engines. then why do nissan guys swap in smaller engines to increase performance :screwy: ?
ghostchild316
07-21-2005, 12:51 AM
LOL I've seen that before.
They do it because we all know how much the "KA" sux:rolleyes:
or maybe they are scared of torque:evillol:
They do it because we all know how much the "KA" sux:rolleyes:
or maybe they are scared of torque:evillol:
PWRDbyUNCLEbens
07-21-2005, 01:59 AM
I don't think there is anything wrong with swapping in an sr. If both get the job done it's fine. Each engine just has its own flavor. Unless you swap in an rb then either of the other two flavors suck :smile: . Oh yeah, and btw great times sepcially with the open dif. :bigthumb:
nissanfanatic
07-21-2005, 02:11 AM
Pfft....
Whoever has the know-who and ambition wins. The engine doesn't matter here.
Whoever has the know-who and ambition wins. The engine doesn't matter here.
tha_new_guy
07-22-2005, 02:16 PM
Ok another question: What is the difference between the KA24E and the KA24 DE? Is one SOHC while the other is DOHC? I always heard the KA24E was a dog of a motor...
drftk1d
07-22-2005, 03:31 PM
seriously, the real reason (which is what the original swappers tbelived as well before this jdm craze) is that its easier to start with a factory turbo engine like the sr20 than it is to turbocharge an engine which was designed to be n/a. back in the day (lol) it was probably cheaper to get a swapped sr20 than a turbo ka. i remember when i was looking into getting a s13 the price for a sr20 was about 1200 for a complete redtop engine, which was WAY worth it. but its just dumb now how expensive theyve become.
nissanfanatic
07-22-2005, 09:59 PM
^Exactly. The KA requires more than swap and go for 250whp. Simply put, the KA requires higher level mods earlier in your quest for power. The SR, you can make 250whp right off the bat. At that power level on the KA, you should really be running an ECU tune and at least 550cc injectors. But on the KA, you get that stuff out of the way early and select a decent turbo to start with and you are good to 350whp. If you do an engine tune, injectors are the only thing stopping you.
And I remember reading about SR swaps back in the day running like $1000-$1200 for an engine set. Shit I'd do it if it costed that much....lol
And I remember reading about SR swaps back in the day running like $1000-$1200 for an engine set. Shit I'd do it if it costed that much....lol
RaidenKing
07-22-2005, 11:02 PM
Well I got my swap because I really liked the idea of a low mileage high performance motor. All things considered I think I made off pretty well with a very clean chassis, the swap and a few bolt-ons for $7500. I went this route because after my 3kgt threw a rod I began to fear teh high mileage.
Someday, if the sr fails me I will invest in a ka-t with a rebuilt block. I don't remember who posted the video of a bunch of ka-t's tearing ass almost everywhere (think it was tat?) but the video was amazing and made me almost choose the KA-t route.
Someday, if the sr fails me I will invest in a ka-t with a rebuilt block. I don't remember who posted the video of a bunch of ka-t's tearing ass almost everywhere (think it was tat?) but the video was amazing and made me almost choose the KA-t route.
Right_LiRrr
07-22-2005, 11:28 PM
Happen to still have the link to this video?
nissanfanatic
07-22-2005, 11:53 PM
Ultimate KA Turbo video (http://www.ka-t.org/klattr1/turbokaultimate.zip)
Ryan is only hosting it for a bit so I'm not even sure if its still up.
Go check them all out!
http://www.ka-t.org/images/intro.jpg (http://www.ka-t.org)
Ryan is only hosting it for a bit so I'm not even sure if its still up.
Go check them all out!
http://www.ka-t.org/images/intro.jpg (http://www.ka-t.org)
TatII
07-23-2005, 03:56 AM
yeah that video kicked ass, makes me want to vent my waste gate to atmosphere so i can sound just like them.
nissanfanatic
07-23-2005, 10:06 PM
I am vented to atmosphere.haha Gotta run a lot of boost to hear the turbo spool tho.
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