SS/SC Vs. 3.25i E36

This is a quick fun one from tonight...

While coming home from the hooka bar tonight with my two buddies we were being tailgated very closely by a pair of very bright and familiar headlights. After about 15 seconds of tailgating me he caught a break in traffic and passed me on my left side going WOT. It just so happend to be a black 3.25 E36 with a very nice, deep sounding exhaust. After waiting for traffic to clear up a bit so I could safely get through the couple cars around me, we pulled up next to him. I was in 3rd doing about 45mph or so when we pulled up next to him. After a couple quick revs he caught my drift and he nailed it, as did I. I could hear his throaty exhaust wailing away, but we quickly put about 4-5 lengths on him before shutting down. At first I asked my buddies "Did he even go?"
My friend in the passenger seat that was right next to the car replied with "He sure as hell did!" and the one in the back said something to the nature of "I hope that wasn't an M3, cause that thing was slow!" :lol2:
But I still wasn't sure if he went or not cause we pulled so hard. Sure enough he came back on us quickly to my passenger side after we slowed down, I figured he wanted another go so I got ready to mash the gas. Instead my buddy says to me "He just gave you the thumbs up dude." I was like "Well then, he did go...damn." I guess he had had enough. :grinyes:

I didnt get the chance to ask him if anything was modded besides his exhaust and the lowering job it had...ah well. Fun stuff anyway.

Damn I love the sound of the BMW I6 with a good exhaust.

nice kills, you've already killed that many cars in your sig? Impressive

Yuppers. I think the wing attracts a lot of attention...wanted and unwanted. I've been averaging about a race or more a day for the last 5 days now. It's sorta getting out of hand. I've always had pretty good cop karma, but that could end any time now. So I'm always on the lookout. As were my buddies. 6 eyes are better than two :)

It's like I have to defend my wing's honor or something like that with the guys on the streets. With big wing, comes big responsibility... :lol:

You get more races than anyone in the world...I agree about the sound of a BMW I-6...my friend has a 328is 5 speed with intake and exhaust and it sounds like the sex.

"I hope that wasn't an M3, cause that thing was slow!" :lol2:



If it was an M3 you would know. :grinno:

Heh, it was dark, and the car was dark. Kinda hard to tell at first glance. Plus the buddy that wasnt sure what it was, was in the back seat. All he could see from his point of view was the backs of our heads, and wing. :lol:

At any rate, stock for stock teh E36 M3 would get pulled on as well. Not with 3 dudes in my car Vs. one in the M3 though. I'm talkin bout a fair fight here. Heh.

You get more races than anyone in the world...

I'm tellin you man...it's this damn wing. It says "HEY....race me!"
So they do. :lol2:

yeah, if i saw a cobalt SS i would try to test it too, but the only difference is that would be seeing my tailights. :iceslolan j/p.

Haha, stock M3 would get pulled on? So the cobalt can hit high 13s and trap 100 mph? I didn't know that.

yeah, if i saw a cobalt SS i would try to test it too, but the only difference is that would be seeing my tailights. :iceslolan j/p.


Haha...no you're not. It's the truth, you're relic still outclasses my brand new car. Ah well, at least I've got an mp3 player!!! As if that makes up for something...

Haha, stock M3 would get pulled on? So the cobalt can hit high 13s and trap 100 mph? I didn't know that.


Seriously...too many people on this forum skip very important peices of information while reading others' posts. Then they jump to conclusions which starts a nice flame war.

...stock for stock teh E36 M3 would get pulled on as well


I said E36 M3. As you know there is a big difference between the almost gutless E36 M3 and the E46 M3.

From a stand still I'd be playing catch up. From a roll he would be playing catch up. This in fact was a roll race.

Seriously...too many people on this forum skip very important peices of information while reading others' posts. Then they jump to conclusions which starts a nice flame war.




I said E36 M3. As you know there is a big difference between the almost gutless E36 M3 and the E46 M3.

Stock for stock, the E36 M3 would beat you.

Stock for stock, the E46 M3 would murder you.

Like I said, haven't seen any stock Cobalts running high 13s and trapping in the 100s. Myabe if the M3 driver didn't know what he was doing, it'd be close, but I doub't you'd be pulling :lol: "almost gutless" has more horsepower than the Cobalt.

Stock E36 M3 is about a low 14 second car and the SS is mid 14.

So find one and race one, should be fun to watch.

It's got near the same BHP, unless BMW's number are underrated. The Cobalt has around a 250 pound wieght advantage as well as better gearing. The Cobalt's major flaw is that it can't launch...whatsoever. So people see mid 14 sec-low 15 1/4 passes and completely judge the rest of the car's performance off of that.

I really want to find a stock E36 M3 to run around here. It would be close, but I think I could nudge it out. Problem is, most BMW owners around here are satisfied with puting around town doing 10 under the speed limit, (due to age of most BMW owners in Az) so it'll be hard to find one to run. I could however run my buddies RMS M3...but we all know how that would turn out.

If I had an M3, I'd race ya!



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I'm not saying that an E36 would destroy you, it would be pretty much a drivers race, but most of the time I'd put my money on the E36. They trap around the same so it would be closer from a roll.

At any rate, stock for stock teh E36 M3 would get pulled on as well. Not with 3 dudes in my car Vs. one in the M3 though. I'm talkin bout a fair fight here. Heh.

I think your giving your car way to much credit with this one, the E36 ///M3s could run legit low 14s (14.2s, 14.3s), and I've heard of 13.9xs. Hell, the other night I watched a stock one run a stock Mustang GT, and he beat the GT by about two lengths. I also know the drivers of both, and I know they both knew what they were doing.

Stock E36 M3 is about a low 14 second car
Extremely optimistic that a stock E36 M3 would hit low 14's....mid to high 14's is more realistic.

Extremely optimistic that a stock E36 M3 would hit low 14's....mid to high 14's is more realistic.


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Yeah, if you're talking about an auto 4 door sedan. The coupes are usually low 14 second cars. Some drivers have driven them to high 13s totally stock. :)

On slicks? The lowest ive heard a stock e36 run is 14.2 Are you sure it wasnt a 97-98 m3? They are quicker than the older e36's

On slicks? The lowest ive heard a stock e36 run is 14.2 Are you sure it wasnt a 97-98 m3? They are quicker than the older e36's

E36 M3 = 95-99

E36 M3 = 95-99
'95 and '96 E36 M3s had a 3 liter I-6....'97 and up models had a 3.2 liter I-6.

'95 and '96 E36 M3s had a 3 liter I-6....'97 and up models had a 3.2 liter I-6.


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Please upload a timeslip of a stock 96- running a 14-13.9 quarter, because I would be very interested to see that.

No problem, just send me $15,000 so I can get one, and I will.

the E36 would really be a drivers race with the SS i guess. however bulldog, you stated that you have your advantage in gearing. that is incorrect esp from a roll. the E36 has very very tall and long gears. it also has a very high top speed. its a highway bruiser rather then a stop light dragster.

if you have enough power, having taller gears helps out becasue it doesn't slow down the car too much yet you don't have to shift and you can have a much higher top speed. that is why VR4's, 300ZX TT's, Supra's ETC have such long gears and have such crazy top end.

No problem, just send me $15,000 so I can get one, and I will.
That's a pretty clever ploy to get a free E36 M3...clever...but it won't get you to run 14 nils or less.

The shifts on this thing are fine with the close ratio tranny. I've also got powershifting this thing down to a fine art, it sounds great when power shifted and really helps keep max boost/rpm up.


The reason why I think it would be able to run down an M on the highway is because the SS is very top endish. Once you get it up to 5000+ rpm it flies. I gotta get some in-car video sometime. It's great fun. This thing has no problem getting to 125 in 4th gear with some rpm left. I did it just lastnight :)


Also, lower gearing means excelleration...say I did a 2nd gear roll at 20 mph with an M3. My lower gear would help get my rpm up into my powerband much faster. Which hopefully would give me a jump. This is all speculation of course, and has yet to be proven. But I'm optimistic.

Sounds like you need to step-up your competition.

Good race none the less.

Rob

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Please upload a timeslip of a stock 96- running a 14-13.9 quarter, because I would be very interested to see that.

Owned? haha. 96 had the 3.2L engine. The only difference in 95 powerwise was 11 less lb/ft of torque. :screwy:

I don't care if it's a 3.0 or 3.2, if it makes almost the same power, which was ONLY the case in 95.

I think I'm gonna take a drive around Scottsdale tonight and have my buddy bring his dig cam. If there's anything fun to play with, it's in that area of town. Maybe I might just catch an M...who knows.

I'm thinking it may be hard to find a stock E36 M that will run me though. The problem is, anyone who will be driving one in this area will most likely be older, and probably not willing to run. If I do manage to find a younger guy that's got one and wants to run, I think it'll most likely be modified, cause it's no beast in stock form. Although it's a very nice car that I would love have, I think it's a little lackluster for a 40+ k car. This is just my theory anyhow, but who knows, maybe I'll get lucky.

But E36's aren't 40 large anymore...decent ones can be had in the 13 to 15k range, as cassiesman semi-alluded to earlier in the thread.

A good shopper, who has access to a decent shop, can have an 11 second E36 ///M3 for under 30k...

A good shopper, who has access to a decent shop, can have an 11 second E36 ///M3 for under 30k...
True, but how much did you think Dado spent on his 11 second M3? :icon16:

Im not talking just about his, but in all, he spent 125K for it. Butconsidering how many different set ups he tried, its really not all that much. Plus, his car (gearing/suspension/tune) isn't designed to run 1/4miles, and he did his pass on street tires. Dado is also one rich mother fucker.

Im not talking just about his, but in all, he spent 125K for it. Butconsidering how many different set ups he tried, its really not all that much. Plus, his car (gearing/suspension/tune) isn't designed to run 1/4miles, and he did his pass on street tires. Dado is also one rich mother fucker.
If you can pony up 15 large a year to run gumball, then you probably have enough money to do even more expensive stuff as well...where does he get his money anyway? I know he is the head honcho at DTMpower.net, but I don't know if that would be enough to make him wipe his ass with $100 bills...would it? :eek7:

If you can pony up 15 large a year to run gumball, then you probably have enough money to do even more expensive stuff as well...where does he get his money anyway? I know he is the head honcho at DTMpower.net, but I don't know if that would be enough to make him wipe his ass with $100 bills...would it? :eek7:

Not sure, I've been on DTMPower.net for a while, but never once have I seen him talk about his job...of course, being freinds with the Doc and Reza could be enough to not need a job. Hes actually not running in the gumball this year...took a pebble to his FMIC at like...150 I think.

Not sure, I've been on DTMPower.net for a while, but never once have I seen him talk about his job...of course, being freinds with the Doc and Reza could be enough to not need a job. Hes actually not running in the gumball this year...took a pebble to his FMIC at like...150 I think.
That's too bad...if I had 15 grand plus a reasonably comfortable and fast car, that's where I'd go...then spend the rest of my life paying off tickets and insurance :grinno:

That car is fast for sure but its no longer comfortable. No more comfortable than a NASCAR anyway.

When the E36 M was new it was a little over 40k. Obviously it can be had for much less now. But as it stands bone stock, for costing 40k plus new, it kinda sucks a little. However, the E46 M changed all of that, there's no suckage there.

When the E36 M was new it was a little over 40k. Obviously it can be had for much less now. But as it stands bone stock, for costing 40k plus new, it kinda sucks a little. However, the E46 M changed all of that, there's no suckage there.

About 10 years ago when it came out, it was a great car. Of course most cars won't be as good 10 years later.

I've already stated the fact that it's a great car. Hell, I'm amazed every time I hop in my buddies M. But performance wise it's just lackluster for it's price bracket is all. Handles nicely in stock form though.

the E36 would really be a drivers race with the SS i guess. however bulldog, you stated that you have your advantage in gearing. that is incorrect esp from a roll. the E36 has very very tall and long gears. it also has a very high top speed. its a highway bruiser rather then a stop light dragster.
I believe you're referring to the European M3, and not the U.S. based M3. I read in a magazine where they mounted a Dinan Supercharger to a E36 M3, and only ran 150 mph, hitting the rev limiter in 5th gear. They are also governed at 138 I believe.

Bulldog, an E36 M3 will beat your car soundly. BMW doesn't go by the same standards as the U.S. when measuring horsepower. For that reason the 240 horsepower they rate their cars at is underrated in my opinion. They've been tested to a 14.0 sec. 1/4 mile at 99 mph. The lightweight version will run high 13's. 3-4 tenths of a sec. is a big advantage in the 1/4 mile. You gotta figure that 4 tenths is a good 2 car lengths at the least.

Oops I forgot to say good kill on the 325. I don't seem to be able to find BMW driver's willing to race.

I believe you're referring to the European M3, and not the U.S. based M3. I read in a magazine where they mounted a Dinan Supercharger to a E36 M3, and only ran 150 mph, hitting the rev limiter in 5th gear. They are also governed at 138 I believe.

Bulldog, an E36 M3 will beat your car soundly. BMW doesn't go by the same standards as the U.S. when measuring horsepower. For that reason the 240 horsepower they rate their cars at is underrated in my opinion. They've been tested to a 14.0 sec. 1/4 mile at 99 mph. The lightweight version will run high 13's. 3-4 tenths of a sec. is a big advantage in the 1/4 mile. You gotta figure that 4 tenths is a good 2 car lengths at the least.


If you go back in this thread you'll notice I've already said I can't take one in the 1/4 mile ;)

I'm talking about a 2nd gear roll from around 20 mph or so. Mine will also do well over 138 in stock form. It's got no top speed gov. I had it to 135 with my buddy in the car in 4th gear lastnight...with about 600 rpm to go before 5th gear change was needed (it got there in a big hurry too, my buddy was thoroughly impressed). This car is very topendish. In my Opinion the SS is more of a highway monster than the E36 M3. :2cents:

All I need is someone with a stock M to prove or disprove my point. Good luck on that tho, I couldnt even get a guy with an E46 M3 to run me lastnight. Thats an awesome car that old guy will never fully enjoy...