Dx Lx Ex????

A couple Q`s for you guys. First I got a 2001 civic sedan and I wanna turbo it, but I dunno what kind of engine i have is it a B17 or 18?? I dont even know what model it is either its just plain, no power or anything not even an RPM gauge. And Would it be safe to turbo my stock engine, would it be too much for it even if i just ran 6-8 pounds of boost? and would i have to do anything like fule injectors or anything?

its a D motor a d17 at that.

it could hold lil boost. id say your car is a VP aka base.

swap a K motor in you'd be alot happier

You need to do some research I think. Seems to me like you have no idea what kind of car you have, but you want a turbo for it? Turbo application will run you 5k swap application will run up upwards of 10k. Turboing a non EX model is pointless in all areas. Get yourself a bottle instead.

Get yourself a bottle instead.
cars that bad you think he should just start drinking ?:rofl:

^^ Ahhh ya got me haha I'm such a bad influence :evillol:

You need to do some research I think. Seems to me like you have no idea what kind of car you have, but you want a turbo for it? Turbo application will run you 5k swap application will run up upwards of 10k. Turboing a non EX model is pointless in all areas. Get yourself a bottle instead.


I know what kind of car it is but i couldnt find out if it was a dx or ex or w/e, Yah i dont knwo much about cars but im sick of these kids driving around in their mommy and daddys cars, racing me then beating me these civics dont have much for balls well mine anyway. So i though i`d slam a turbo in it. that`ll get the job done plus they sound wickid too.
Thanx for your replys though guys.

With our cars 01-05 there is no wicked sound I'm sorry to say the blow off is so Sooooo low on our cars cause we are not pushing much boost at all 5-6..Your WHP will be very low 160-170 on an EX with quit a few mods..170's being very very high pushing a large amount of boost. This will in turn lead to the blowing of your engine very quick. Your torque will not increase significantly at all, much lower the your WHP. Honestly dude it will be a waste of money. Save up and purchase a new car that is more mod friendly.

maby man but i just baught it. I dunno maby ill just put a new engine in it. The dealer at honda though it would be a good idea to turbo it though. So u seriously think it woudl be a total waist of money though?

maby man but i just baught it. I dunno maby ill just put a new engine in it. The dealer at honda though it would be a good idea to turbo it though. So u seriously think it woudl be a total waist of money though?
LOL
he just wants to skip out warrenty i bet.

K swap will be alot but set you up to get some power

Total waste of money..If you swap this engine keep us updated cause its a pain in the ass!!

This poor guy. They are right about the turbo, its not gonna be worth it. A k swap is going to be so expensive, especially since I dont think this guy will be doing it himself. Hell the swap with the cost of installation will probably cost you more than you paid for the car. I say load that mother up with some nitrous! Either that or (since Im not a d series guru) how about the ex head swap and some nitrous?

Here is your swap list of things you need

K20A/2 or K20A3 (from Civic Si) Engine With:
AC compressor
alternator
P/S pump or idler pulley (from Civic Si)
wiring harness
exhaust manifold and catalytic converter
ECU
Transmission and starter
intermediate shaft
Axles from either 02 Civic Si or 94 up Integra GSR (we used 02 RSX with RSX knuckles and hubs)
RSX or 02 Civic Si subframe
Hasport ESK1 bolt in mount kit (as of this time the kit will not work with the K24)
Hasport ESKWH conversion wiring harness
RSX shifter assembly and cables
02 Civic Si radiator and fans (although the RSX will fit with some trimming around the radiator cap opening in the grill)
02 Civic Si upper and lower radiator hoses (RSX are longer and may kink)
RSX throttle cable
RSX fuel line, brake booster line and purge line
RSX AC line from compressor to condensor
RSX clutch lines from the master cylinder to the slave cylinder
Custom AC line from compressor to evaporator (Hasport should have one available by April)
90 Accord negative battery cable

If you want powersteering:

RSX high pressure powersteering hose and return line
92 Civic P/S resevoir w/ bracket and a section of hydraulic hose to go from the pump to the resevoir

Yea get a bottle if your not heavily into cars and the mechanics behind them.....

Wow thats a big list, wont the rsx type s engine fit in my car? So this is what the guy at honda told me, he said to turbo it it woudl be a good idea but i have to get oil changes and stuff liek that in 1/4 the time normal. these forum things r sweet u guys r helpful and knwo your stuff. you should come and swat my engine for me ;)

You shouldnt need to change your oil that often....i wouldnt think anyway. Im not a turbo guru so dont take my word for gold. But yes the type s engine will fit in your car, that long list brody posted was what is needed to make it fit and work. Ill drop it in for ya, if you got the time and money to ship it down to GA i got the garage ;)

^^ Whats up Sivic you need a hand on that engine drop I'm sure Ace will help out 2 he needs to break in his swapped engine so I'll have him drive lmao. :icon16:

sounds good to me!

sure thing although i'm keeping the K as drivers payment you have have my B its got that thurr vtak and stuff

Well man i wish i had the money thos engines r expensive. I dunno what im gonna do, i ordered dual exhaust so im gona do the whole exhaust system, other than that i dunno. The salesman st honda said that my enginge has endless potential. sivic what do u think i should do man? Do u think a turbo would be a god thing or nos or what. i just want more horse power.

When it comes to D series engines im not too informed. Drop a K in and i can answer most of your questions.

You could swap an ex head on there (I think the blocks are the same) which with your basic bolt ons would put you at around 130whp. Then it starts to get a little complicated. It really depends on your budget. If money isnt a problem I guess you could drop some lower compression pistons in, slap a turbo on it, and get a good tune. Or if money is a little tight you could always slap about a 50 shot of nitrous on it with little to no problems. The good thing about nitrous is if you want to put it on another car down the road then its no problem.

Honestly, if you want to build up your (or any) honda is to either start with or swap in a B H or K engine. There are tons of parts out there for the B and H series engines and while there might not be as many out for every K series engine the stock internals on the weakest ones are good for up to about 300whp.

If I were in your situation and wanted to keep my current car/engine I would slap a little nitrous on it, get your basic bolt ons, and enjoy it until its new car time again.

Well man thanx alot for your help with everything, everyone. But i think im gonna trade my civic for an rsx I was lookin at them and i really liek them. I also found a 2002 for a pretty decent price, frankly i think the civics are sh!t now. Thats just my opinion i had an 86 accord that thing ran wickid it had allmost 300k on it and everything on it was oorigional untill about 280k then i had to change ball joints and struts. My 01 civic needs new struts already i had to change the stabalizer links and it wont go into reverse sometimes(manual). So i lost a little respect for honda now. Let me know if you think a 2002 rsx would be a good ideah, would i be able to put alot more stuff into it and are they reliable cars?

Sweet, get the rsx, get the type-s if its an option for you. If you get the base you wont be that impressed with it. There are plenty of parts for it, and for the engine there are more parts coming out every day. Good choice, matter of fact, get two.

Well i just took the rsx with the premium package out for a ride it had a cold air intake, taillights and a skirt kit. I loved it the look the interior wow man i wish i would have noticed them before i baught my civic. The only bad thing was it was $23000 thats quite a bit with only 30000km but theres another its a type s with body kit intake exhaust and spoiler for the same price with 86000Km, the only down fall with that is that its from the same place i baught my civic and i sdont trust thos guys at all anymore. I dunno im probably gona trade it in for the premium its allrite 160hp thats good. But if i can find one for cheaper than awsome.

Here's a mod, get an RSX, type S.:P

Seriously, even once you go through the hell of paying for that swap and having to put it in(or paying to have someone else do it), you will still have a high 14 second car, at best. THEN, you have to pay for the F/I and forged internals and extra maintenance costs and risk of blowing it all in one race. You'll also have to tune it. Find a reputable dyno and tune shop.=P

If you decide to go with stock internals and go with modest boost to save your expensive swap, you will look back and see you spent nearly $10k+(if you buy everything new, which is the safest) and realize that the LS1 camaros can only pull 1 car on you, now.:P

It seems like you are way over your head in this. Honda engines can respond good to a Turbo, but there is a lot of work and chance taken to build it so it's fast AND safe.

I hate to say this, but if you have the money, either trade it in or by a second car with a big engine that would respond good to simple bolt ons and gearing changes, seeying as it will be much simpler. It is what most americans do that don't have the time to devote to a big project.

A couple Q`s for you guys. First I got a 2001 civic sedan and I wanna turbo it, but I dunno what kind of engine i have is it a B17 or 18?? I dont even know what model it is either its just plain, no power or anything not even an RPM gauge. And Would it be safe to turbo my stock engine, would it be too much for it even if i just ran 6-8 pounds of boost? and would i have to do anything like fule injectors or anything?

Ok I think you posted it some month ago but I am looking it today and if you still want turbo it this will help you a little. I have a 01 civic and I know a little of it.

The engine D17 is very similar to all D series: D15 and D16 but have some changes and new technology that most of the people don't know how to deal with. Read this entire info and go with an experimented mechanic with it, it will be very usefull.

To know what model you have you can identify the model:
-DX don't have: power windows, power mirrors, power door locks, cruise control, etc.
-LX have: power mirrors, power windows, power d locks, cruise control, etc.
-EX have all the accesaories that have the LX plus a sunroof
-HX is another model that nobody likes; have an CVT transmission, is like an automatic trans., the trans. fluid measuring rod is short(see your owner's manual)
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I will share some things of my research (if you have an HX don't continue reading).
The engine of the DX and LX model is D17A1; when you are talking about engine and performance both models are the same. The EX have an D17A2, it is very similar but with a VTEC (variavle valve timing and lift control).
Like all D series engines the D17 is very similiar to the other earlier engines (D15 & D16). Some parts manufactured for the D15 and D16 fit in the D17. The most chage of this engine (D17) is the ignition system and the fuel system. This engine don't have the common ignition system with the cap, spark plug wires, etc. Instead of that the ECU (computer) control the ignition with one ignition coil for each spark plug. The most difference in the fuel system is that it have a returnless system. It doesn't have a return line, so you can't install directly a fuel pressure regulator and rise the fuel pressure.



As this motor is very likely to all D-series there are some facts and tricks to start. For all the cars and all the engines if you want a turbo its output and performance depends on how well you do the combination. And in all turbo modification you have to modify the engine: oil lines, fuel system, computer system (ECU ECM/PCM), cooling system, brake system, clutch, suspension system, etc.

-Is better a 5MT (manual trans.)

-The D17A1 (non-VTEC) is easier to tune so you haven't the VTEC and a lower compression ratio (D17A1 9.5:1) (D17A2 9.9:1)

-The bore (width of the cylinder) of all the D series engine is the same (75mm). The stroke is the difference (D17 stroke 94.4mm). So you can seach piston for D16 You have to compare the pistons and be sure that new piston will not hit the combustion chamber.

-Most of the clutch kits and flywheels for D series from 92-00 fit the D17 too. Exedy and ACT have some kits.

-A way to improve the fuel system is (ask to an experimented mechaninc) use a premium (91 oct.) or better fuel:
*buy some steel pipe for fuel lines and hoses (be sure the piepe and hoses is adeacuate for fuel line) about 1/4"+ of dimeter and build a fuel return line.
*buy a high volume fuel pump for a D16 96-00 civic. When install it be sure you remove the built-in fuel pressure regulator from the pump
*buy an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and install it with your new fuel return line
This will allow you to set the desire fuel pressure

-If you want it naturally aspirated install a header and a 2.25" exhaust system. If you want it turbo install a 2.5" exhaust system.

-Install better spark plugs (like NGK iridium).

-Install high performance suspension springs and Shocks. I recommend H&R springs and K&B adjustable shocks. Personally, I do not recommend adjustable coilovers.

-Install an AEM EMS (engine management system). (It is a programmable ECU computer). Is the same for the RSX, RSX-S and 02+ CIVIC SI.

-For the turbo you can use a T3 or T4; or a T3/T4 (T3 turbine with a T4 blower).

-I think OBX already have a turbo manifold for this engine model.

-Install a lightweight underdrive pulley or pulley kit (Good manufacturers Unorthodox or AEM)

-Install and AEM adjustable cam gear

-The stock camshaft is good, but if you find a good cam for a turbo combination for the D16 that fit on the D17 head you can use it

-Install a high performance aluminum radiator and fans

-Improve your brake system: with slotted/drilled brake rotors, high performance pads. AEM and Brembo have some options

-Install a ground kit and voltage stabilizer

To not write more... I will let it there. So you have somethings to start. An about the RSX engine (K20) as it is more expensive it will be better, but instead of that start doing research on what parts of the RSX fit on your 7th generation civic so you can improve it more. As on all the Honda Civic enthusiats do ever using parts from the Acura Integra to improve their Civics, a lot of the RSX (or Civic SI) parts can improve your 01+ civic.

P.D.
On america from the 02 that car is RSX type-S (with a K20A2) (Civic SI have a K20A3), but in Japan it still be called Integra type-R (with a K20A).


DO IT AND LET ME KNOW ABOUT THAT.

Well man i wish i had the money thos engines r expensive. I dunno what im gonna do, i ordered dual exhaust so im gona do the whole exhaust system, other than that i dunno. The salesman st honda said that my enginge has endless potential. sivic what do u think i should do man? Do u think a turbo would be a god thing or nos or what. i just want more horse power.


This engine (D17) is like D16 but a little bigger. Everybody prefer an RSX instead a Civic like everybody prefer a Ferrari insted a BMW.

When you have an RSX "you are in other category". RSX is a 2.0L DOHC and the Civic is a 1.7L SOHC.

But a well tuned Civic that makes really good horsepower will look better than an RSX that makes some more horsepower.

You will feel better when you open your hood and show to others that the engine on the that is allways ahead their RSX is a little not wanted Civic D17.

You will not make a D17 faster then a K series sorry to break the news to you all nor will this impress the car enthusiest. Wasting your money on the D series is like throwing it away. Many of the things listed above are not true. I'm not about to write a book about it.

You will feel better when you open your hood and show to others that the engine on the that is allways ahead their RSX is a little not wanted Civic D17.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you have reason, but a well tuned Civic that makes really horsepower looks goods.

You can actually get great output power out of a D series engine. The JDM DOHC ZC. It's an older engine though.