getting my 20g setup soon. Questions.

ok liek title says im purchasing my 20g setup soon form a guy off the east coast, the guy is awosme hes fun to talk with a very knowledgeable ( is that how you spell it ? ) about DSM's or any car in general. but i mostly only get to talk to him through E-mail cause hes very busy guy with 2 jobs, the 3 hour time Diff doesnt help ether.

this is the setup. turbotrix 20g (port, cliped) - Spearco FMIC+pipes - Turbotrix ported Mani + External WG flange - Tial 38mm gate with custom turbotrix dump pipe - ported O2 house - Buschur 3" DP to a test pipe to greddy Exhast . + a few other things that come wit hthe deal. :p

ok thats the beef of the setup. I plan to buy this, get my T-belt and all that good stuff done. then my Clutch + flywheel, then i want to install all my soon to be new goodies. is their anything im missing as far as things that i HAVE to do?? i wanted to do a compresion check before i ran that turbo setup. ill be asking for help on that later :biggrin:

i wont break nothing will i ?? anyone have any concerns for my plans ( besides my saftey after i get everything done :evillol: LOL ) please feel free o share your thoughts i dont want to mess anything up. ( i cant aford to :rolleyes: lol )

For a 20g I would get a 255lph with a FPR and at least some 720's. 550's will be useless on a turbo that big...650s might cut it but I would get bigger just in case. Get a wideband o2 to tune that fuel, but your setup look pretty good.

When it is tuned you will be pushing the limits of the stock internals, so be careful...try to stay under 400hp...your car should rape tho...

my friend had 550's with a 56trim and ran like 18psi for a while. took him a long time to spool.

650s will cover a 20G on a 2g, but would be pushing it on a 1g. They are that close, just the base pressure change becomes important :D Going bigger than 650s starts to get risky IMO. As an example:

At 40 lbs/min at 7000 rpm, you are at 2.5 grams/rev airflow. So you are over the 2.1 g/rev point and timing will make sense. BUT, with a correction factor of 31% for 650s, multiply by .69, and you can see that the ECU will see 1.7 g/rev. That is a very unsafe way to tune in my opinion and in my experience. And thats for stock 9.5:1 AFR! You would be another 14% leaner to be at 11:1 AFR, or about 1.48 g/rev. The ECU is going to give you a lot of timing at this level.

Going to 750s would put you at 1.34 g/rev. As g/rev goes down (below 2.1 of course) timing goes UP. Of course you are still actually moving that 40 lbs/min. Just thinking of tuning like this really stresses me out :D DSMlink really should be on your list, especially since you have a 95!! The AFC and logger will run nearly as much as DSMlink.

Modify your setup to include DSMlink and 950s and a that 20g setup will be ready for you to make the most of it. When my car was the most fun it had the 06H 20g. Hardly lagged more than the 16 with 25 psi coming on at 3700 rpm. And I ran that 25 psi on pump daily. DSMlink was the only reason I got away with that safely. ;) I would consider it a must do, if not now then in the near future. It's something that will always be there for you, and will grow with you and your setup. A wise investment.

whats odd is that the guy was runing 550's and he said thats their just fine for the setup and thats how he ran it ...and his 95 GSX was dyno'd at 384 horses. a couple of people so far have told me that 550's will be just fine for this setup.

but now im really curious as to why i should get 950's ?

oh yea and how much can you guys find DSM link for ?? every time i see it, its very expensive...way more than a AFC+Loger. i can penny pich my way towards 250-300 for the afc and logger. what DSM link worth? and if you guys can find them for a bitchen deal SHOW ME! lol

550s are plenty for a 20g. Believe it or not, a friend made 436AWHP on a buschur TDO6H 20g with 550s and pump gas. (92 octane) 97% injector duty. Never tried with race gas but he was just fine for fuel.

If you have DSMlink, 950s would be the way to go because no matter what your goals are all the way up to 7-800hp, you'll never have to worry about injectors.

Its all up to what your goals are for this car. If your not going any bigger than a 20g for the time you have it then go smaller if you want. If you want to go bigger later then upgrade the injectors now since it wont hurt you at all to do so.

436 is weak for a 20g though. If he had tried to approach its capacity of over 500 whp, he's be looking for a motor now. I only recomend injectors and pump that will cover the max flow of the turbo. This way if boost gets away from you (boost controller line pops off for example) there is enough fuel available to save the motor.

If an AFC/logger is going to be 300, then dSMlink only costs you 300 bucks. That is how I would look at it. Get it directly from www.dsmlink.com, its just under 600 bucks. It doesnt get any better. With the AFC and larger injectors tuning will always be halfassed, despite the fact that we are usually able to make it work well enough. If 300 for better engine management is too much, don't spend so much on upgrades you aren't willing to properly support :)

I used to fall into this same category... I could spend 6 grand on the car during one offseason, but was still to cheap to spend 300 bucks on a wideband. Unreal... Spend the money on things like DSMlink and a WBO2 early on, and you will always have them, no matter how often you change your setup. Things like this really are a wise investment.

If this sounds like a plublic service announcement, I get really bitter when I wake up at 3 am on a day off :D

my main goal was jus tto reach 300 HP. but i ofund suc ha great deal for this whole setup that i couldnt pass it up. im prity poor right now. thats the only reason im not saying "ok ill get DSM link" if i can afford it i will defintly get it, like if i find a great deal on one some ones selling because htier going the stand alone rout and they sell it for 300. i would totaly buy that. i just like to save money because i dont have very much of it. i try to find things i want for much less than the average price.

i still have to get and AFC and injectors, if 550's will be fine for the 20g. then ill definetly stick to that caus im not looking to go any bigger than the 20g.

550s will be good to around 40 lbs/min. Not enough to cover a 20g. If you dont plan to run it higher than that, and trust your boost control, you can try it. If you come across the money later on, I would suggest selling the AFC and logger and getting DSMlink. Its always an option, especially since you more than likely have a eprom ecu. Good luck. :)

what is an Eprom cu and how would i find out for sure ?? and ive read a little about the DSMlink but i still dont fully understand what exataly it can do. is it a data logger + afc....just better ? understanding always makes me feel better.

DSMlink just is.

At www.tmo.com there are directions and pics for seeing if you have an eprom ECU. At www.dsmlink.com there is a bunch of info and screen shots, you can even download the software and play with it.

DSMlink is the same as haveing SAFC+Logger right ?? if not explain the basic diferences....and what it does exactaly thats makes it so much betetr than a SAFC and logger ? thanks.

DSMlink is the same as haveing SAFC+Logger right ?? if not explain the basic diferences....and what it does exactaly thats makes it so much betetr than a SAFC and logger ? thanks.


OMG, why don't you just go through the website and read what it can do? If we had to explain all of the differences we'd end up typing a 20 paragraph response. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but just going through the website and reading everything it can do should tell you exactly why it is literally 1,000,000,000 (1 billion for you lazy bastards :) ) times better than an AFC/Logger combo. Honestly, if the price for dsmlink was $1000 I still would have bought it because that is how much it's worth to me, no joke.

In a very small nutshell, the AFC is a terrible, terrible way to tune a car compared dsmlink. Dsmlink basically has most of the capabilities of full standalone, but has the user-friendliness and product support that any average joe can understand/use. In fact, the whole purpose of dsmlink was to be an incredibly easy to use piece of software that utilizes the stock ecu (EPROM only) to retain stock-like drivability.

The SAFC has NO advantages over dsmlink, NOTHING WHATSOEVER. If you honestly think paying ~$200 less for something that can only trick the ecu in order to "tune" (which by the way will completely fuck with your timing advance) is worth it, then you are in the wrong business, sir. I really don't see why everyone doesn't have dsmlink. Other than the fact that it requires an EPROM ecu (which you most likely already have), I think it should be a mandatory upgrade for all dsm's :biggrin:

Seriously, go to the website and read through everything. That alone will be enough to persuade you into buying it. Once you get it and you gain access to the dsmlink forums, you'll see that the non-stop growth and customer/technical support for dsmlink is what makes dsmlink users like myself so crazy about it ;)

OMG, why don't you just go through the website and read what it can do? If we had to explain all of the differences we'd end up typing a 20 paragraph response. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but just going through the website and reading everything

ya i guess i should get a bigger brain so that i dont have to ask questions when i dont understand things anymore huh ?...yep thats what i think ill do. :rolleyes: all i got out of all that was your opinion. which is great in all but no where near answering my questions.

at least you kinda of explained what the SAFC does while makeing me look dumb for not undertsanding somthing when you mentioned that the AFC only tricks the ECU which is aparently bad. so thanks....kind of.

i did go through the links that Kevin gave me. but all i saw where tons of options that i have no clue what the hell they do plus i dont have a laptop which would cost me even more moeny that i dont curently have.


just kinda of picture showing a 1 year old a 1 dollar bil land in the other hand a 100 dollar bill......ether way he has no clue wich one is better.... he has to undertsand why the 100 dollar bill is better before he will get exited. duno if thats the best analogy but whatever i guess you can rip on me for that too or somthing.....anyways thanks for the info. ill just go ask some one soemwhere else who will lay it down for me so ill undertsand better without getin punched in the face first.

and for some one who suposedly knows so much and isnt willing to share the knowledge of this great tool you sure did type an aful lot just to beat around the bush. all i wanted was a little information on what it does compared to the SAFC and why thats so much better, thanks.

ya i guess i should get a bigger brain so that i dont have to ask questions when i dont understand things anymore huh ?...yep thats what i think ill do. :rolleyes: all i got out of all that was your opinion. which is great in all but no where near answering my questions.

at least you kinda of explained what the SAFC does while makeing me look dumb for not undertsanding somthing when you mentioned that the AFC only tricks the ECU which is aparently bad. so thanks....kind of.

i did go through the links that Kevin gave me. but all i saw where tons of options that i have no clue what the hell they do plus i dont have a laptop which would cost me even more moeny that i dont curently have.


just kinda of picture showing a 1 year old a 1 dollar bil land in the other hand a 100 dollar bill......ether way he has no clue wich one is better.... he has to undertsand why the 100 dollar bill is better before he will get exited. duno if thats the best analogy but whatever i guess you can rip on me for that too or somthing.....anyways thanks for the info. ill just go ask some one soemwhere else who will lay it down for me so ill undertsand better without getin punched in the face first.

and for some one who suposedly knows so much and isnt willing to share the knowledge of this great tool you sure did type an aful lot just to beat around the bush. all i wanted was a little information on what it does compared to the SAFC and why thats so much better, thanks.


Wow, if you think my post was "punching you in the face" then you really need to grow up and learn to take some advice, no matter how it's given to you. The reason I didn't go over EVERYTHING dsmlink does is because it would take, like I originally said, PAGES of explanations that I don't really feel like typing up. Maybe you can find someone else on here that can devote that kind of time to explain every detail about dsmlink.

Actually, if you were smart you would have listed the features of dsmlink that confused you or that you didn't understand. Now THAT I don't mind explaining, but I will not go through everything dsmlink has just because you don't understand it. Go here and read all of this page as well as all of the other pages in the Details section if you haven't already done so - http://www.dsmlink.com/details-overview.html If there are some things you don't understand in there, please let me know what they are and I will gladly explain them to you the best I can.

Next time try to be a little more specific with things you don't understand, pertaining to anything. This makes the job of those who like to help people a little easier. Just a heads-up :smile:

I dont get paid enough to explain all of the differences between the two units. No one explained it to me, for whatever that's worth. If you are not willing to just take our word for it (and I have used both extensively), do the research, make the choice.

Not having a laptop is a piss poor excuse. You cant use a AFC without a logger. That means you need a laptop, or a palm device. ;) DSMlink will run on both.

You can feel free to get the AFC and logger and save that ~300 bucks if you like. But when you are having trouble tuning there is not much I can do to help. Ask others who have tried. It takes so much time for me to explain why the tuning is so half assed with piggy back devices, I either don't bother, or don't provide enough information. To be honest it frustrates the hell out of me. Thigns just "make sense" with DSMlink. Not to mention being able to log boost, WBO2, etc. Things you could never do with a simple device like an AFC. All of the info those things provide make tuning much safer and much easier. Anyone that is on the DSMlink forums has seen my replies to tuning questions and logs that poeple post. They can tell you that I can be far more helpful there than I ever am here. Why? Because I have enough information available to make an educated suggestion. Tuning with a piggy back with only timing and stock O2 voltage data available is a very risky venture, imagine how reluctant I am to do it over the internet!

That being said I will try to highlight what I feel are the most significant features of DSMlink, from memory. For more detail and the full list just see the site.

1 - NOT a piggy back. No lying to the ECU. All adjustments are made inside the stock ECU programming, just like a standalone.

2 - Full featured data logger that logs about 100 times faster than any OBD2 device, like pocketlogger. Much better graphical user interface. Many more things can be logged, including knock, which is NOT an option on OBD2 loggers.

3 - Ability to log external sensors like WBO2, boost, fuel pressure, etc. Again, just not an option with piggy backs.

4 - Control over timing in adition to fuel. Adjusting fuel by adjusting airflow (afc) adjust timing as well, but in the WRONG DIRECTION. ;) Its quite unsafe.

5 - Fuel adjustments are made to IOT/IPW, not airflow. 1600 cc injectors will idle like stock. Not so with an afc.

6 - Unbelieveable tech support from the two creators of DSMlink. I'm not going to waste my talking about. But I will continue to take advantage of thier forums every day. All the intelligence of NABR without the arrogance.

7 - Stutter box launching you can get from a chip. Adjustable antilag you can not. And you arent getting a chip anyway...

8 - Misfire detection can be disabled, along with all other emissions related DTCs. No CELs for stupid shit. I originally went to DSMlink because I do not feel safe running anything larger than a 16g on a car that has a 6 bolt conversion and a baro wire mod. Safety is key. Motors are expensive.

9 - Diagnostic abilities. If my car has a problem, there is no guess work. There is enough info available to properly and quickly diagnose issues. Where do you guys think I leanred so much about DSM idle speed control system? It wasnt from a pocketlogger and dsmtooners. ;)

The list just goes on an on... But these are the big things. Naturally you get all the other advantages of chips like higher rev limits, etc.

You can choose either one, it does not affect my life or slow my car down. All I ask is that poeple, especially those that already have EPROM ECUs, strongly consider both options, and make an educated decision.

Good luck.

ok now what the hell is an EPROM ECU ?? can anyone simply tell me what to go out an look at to figure out if i have one or not ??

and what does this mean if i have an EPROM ECU??

does it mean i can buy DSMlink and just plug it in to my car ?? ( probably with a friend that knows better than i do )

and besides DSMlink what all do i need to us it ? do i HAVE to have a laptop ??

and if so anyone know where i can get one for cheap ??

im seriously considering DSMlink now, but i will not buy anything until i fully understand what it is im buying and why. please understand im poor ass fuck and this is why im so reluctant to just by things even if its suposed to be better. but if it affect the life span of my car then i will try hard to budget it.

once again im trying to move out on my on soon and before i do this i want to mod my car before i become so stuck with bills that i wont have the money i do now. ( which even now isnt alot. )

i make about 1k a month. and i have through sept to spend on my car. ill be moving probably in OCT. this is my delema. and why im being such a cheap skate.

and i apriciate the PM you sent me GuitarXgeek.

Ok everyone needs to stop the pissing match! Moozilla, your asking for help. They have explained what is better 5 times now. I dont get what took you so long to realize which one is better.

ya i guess i should get a bigger brain so that i dont have to ask questions when i dont understand things anymore huh ?...yep thats what i think ill do. :rolleyes:

No, you dont need a bigger brain, you just need to learn the use of the search button. There are plenty of threads on DSMlink in this forum and there is a DSMlink website with all the info you could ask for on there. Search next time and dont get pissed off at people for trying to help you and tell you what is best.



ok now what the hell is an EPROM ECU ?? can anyone simply tell me what to go out an look at to figure out if i have one or not ??

and what does this mean if i have an EPROM ECU??

Kevin explained what to do earlier in this thread. Eprom ECU's are the only ECU's that can be rechipped to work with DSMlink. If you have one, that means you dont have to find one. Here is how to tell:



At www.tmo.com (http://www.tmo.com/) there are directions and pics for seeing if you have an eprom ECU. At www.dsmlink.com (http://www.dsmlink.com/) there is a bunch of info and screen shots, you can even download the software and play with it.



does it mean i can buy DSMlink and just plug it in to my car ?? ( probably with a friend that knows better than i do )

and besides DSMlink what all do i need to us it ? do i HAVE to have a laptop ??

and if so anyone know where i can get one for cheap ??


1. No, you need to send in the ECU to have the DSMlink chip put in. Then you can just plug it in and go.

2. Laptop or Palm Pilot (PDA)

3. www.ebay.com (http://www.ebay.com)

im seriously considering DSMlink now, but i will not buy anything until i fully understand what it is im buying and why. please understand im poor ass fuck and this is why im so reluctant to just by things even if its suposed to be better. but if it affect the life span of my car then i will try hard to budget it.

once again im trying to move out on my on soon and before i do this i want to mod my car before i become so stuck with bills that i wont have the money i do now. ( which even now isnt alot. )

i make about 1k a month. and i have through sept to spend on my car. ill be moving probably in OCT. this is my delema. and why im being such a cheap skate.

and i apriciate the PM you sent me GuitarXgeek.

If your trying to be cheap and you dont have a lot of money, why did you choose to mod an DSM? I hope you have some money stashed away for when the time comes and it breaks down. DSMs are somewhat reliable when they are stock, but when you start modding them you can kiss that reliability good-bye. If your going to mod it I suggest stay at home for a few more months and get some money for back up. Either that or get a beater car. I cant count how many times I have been left stranded or without a car for months on end. Like right now, my turbo is fucked up, snapped the shaft in 2. Bam, just like that... $500 to fix it and I'm out of a car. Luckily I bought a truck last year so I still have a daily driver. Just a heads up before you come back here in a few months asking what to do if and when the car breaks.


If there is something between you and GuitarXgeek or you want to resume this pissing match, keep it to the PM's. I dont want to see it in this forum.

If there is something between you and GuitarXgeek or you want to resume this pissing match, keep it to the PM's. I dont want to see it in this forum.


It's already been cleared up, via PM's. Everything is cool now. You know we're all good little angels on this forum :grinno:

You better be... Or I'll have to pull out my keyboard and ban ya all!

ok now what the hell is an EPROM ECU ?? can anyone simply tell me what to go out an look at to figure out if i have one or not ??

and what does this mean if i have an EPROM ECU??

does it mean i can buy DSMlink and just plug it in to my car ?? ( probably with a friend that knows better than i do )

and besides DSMlink what all do i need to us it ? do i HAVE to have a laptop ??

and if so anyone know where i can get one for cheap ??

im seriously considering DSMlink now, but i will not buy anything until i fully understand what it is im buying and why. please understand im poor ass fuck and this is why im so reluctant to just by things even if its suposed to be better. but if it affect the life span of my car then i will try hard to budget it.

once again im trying to move out on my on soon and before i do this i want to mod my car before i become so stuck with bills that i wont have the money i do now. ( which even now isnt alot. )

i make about 1k a month. and i have through sept to spend on my car. ill be moving probably in OCT. this is my delema. and why im being such a cheap skate.

and i apriciate the PM you sent me GuitarXgeek.

1. EPROM ECU - Search

2. We are not the bottom of a cracker jack box where you find a prize, you can search for your own deals. Why would somebody spend the time to find you a deal, when they could be spending that time finding shit for themselves. You have a computer and internet, use a search engine, or for god sakes go to ebay.

3. "im seriously considering DSMlink now, but i will not buy anything until i fully understand what it is im buying and why. please understand im poor ass fuck and this is why im so reluctant to just by things even if its suposed to be better."

Once again, the information is there for you to put forth the effort to look for. Stop being lazy and find shit for yourself. If you are so poor, then stop bitching about buying a whole new setup for your car. There are people who can barely pay their insurance and gas, and your complaining about spending a bunch of money on shit you dont need.

4. "once again im trying to move out on my on soon and before i do this i want to mod my car before i become so stuck with bills that i wont have the money i do now. ( which even now isnt alot. )"

Are you dropping every dime you earn on mods for your car? WTF is wrong with you. Meet other expenses and plan for things to go wrong, that way if they do, your not shit outa luck. If I were you, I would stop what you are doing right now, because your budget will not support it. If you know the bills are gonna be coming, they why arn't you saving up for them. Have you learned nothing from basic economics?

Don't take this the wrong way. Read and digest everything I wrote, and think about it. This is your life. You can do whatever the fuck you want, but the track your on right now is gonna be a bumpy one if you are in the spot you say you are, and blowing all your money on bigger turbos and injectors. Meet the needs of life before you blow your wadd on toys. :2cents:

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Hey... I said enough with the pissing match! If you want to fill him in on anything you think he should know, keep it to the PM's. His questions have already been answered so there is no need to repeat everything other people have said and jump all over him like that. Was swearing really all that helpful? Lay off it.

Next person that starts peeing where they're not suppose to is going to get a vacation! We lax up here on the rules just a little bit and shit goes to hell. Com'on guys... Keep it in line.

Lets remember the 1g guys who invented all of the free mods. You can be as cheap as you want. 14b, datalogger, palm, old style AFC and some basic mods will teach you how to tune. It will also make you realize why DSMlink is much more desirable. If any of 95 GSXracer's post made sense, there is twice as much to list in features.

Hey... I said enough with the pissing match! If you want to fill him in on anything you think he should know, keep it to the PM's. His questions have already been answered so there is no need to repeat everything other people have said and jump all over him like that. Was swearing really all that helpful? Lay off it.

Next person that starts peeing where they're not suppose to is going to get a vacation! We lax up here on the rules just a little bit and shit goes to hell. Com'on guys... Keep it in line.

Is that all you got out of it Mr. Mod? About 2 sentences of it were his questions, the rest of it was shit nobody has said, which I felt he should hear from somebody. Agreed, should have PM'd him though. Will next time.

BTW, did you have a bad night? LoL Your not usually so uptight.

wow, this is kinda stupid i dont post to often on this forum and when i do get jumped all over.

me and GuitarXgeek are kool now we apologized in PM's long before the rest of you guys came in a jumped all over my ass.

i guess ill just post any questions ii have elsewhere unless i have to from now on cause it always seems like my questions are to stupid for ,not all but some of you guys. Sorry i got you guys all wound up.

i just come here when im not understanding things or when im obviously missing something in hope to get filled in properly here, but whatever.

I do Apriciate the life lesson in all Eclipse but i come here for car information not life lessons ( no sarcasm )

any ways right after my last post i went back through the links Kevin posted me and i found a section i had over looked while going through it before about the EPROM ECU.

anyways it doesnt seem to say where to find the ECU so im going to assume its somewhere on the insides panels like my buddies car. and start their.

and even if it does i wont be purchasing the DSMlink now, ill get it later on when i save up a lil cash for it, but i figure it would be nice to know if i can for future reference.

thanks for the help guys.

Side kick panels, you will need to remove both of them to get the ecu out. You have a 95 turbo so you should have a eprom. Get a screwdriver, take out like 4 screws or however many there are... on each side, remove the panel, the harness clips on and off so its easy to remove. Send it to them, you get it back, snap it back into the harness and you are ready to go. You don't need a laptop, or a palm for that matter, but you should plan on picking one up if you actually want to get any use out of your new toy. And nothing could be truer about DSM's starting to break.....I had my dsmlink in for...2 days before something fucked itself up in my motor, no I was not being stupid and making unsafe changes to my ecu....which you can do VERY quickly with dsmlink if you don't know what you are doing...but just goes to show that these cars will break down when you start to screw with them.

wow, this is kinda stupid i dont post to often on this forum and when i do get jumped all over.

Whatever man. Dont start that crap. I just went through all 123 post of yours and this is the only thread you got jumped on. There was one other one but someone just said "Were's the report post button" and that was it.

me and GuitarXgeek are kool now we apologized in PM's long before the rest of you guys came in a jumped all over my ass.

i guess ill just post any questions ii have elsewhere unless i have to from now on cause it always seems like my questions are to stupid for ,not all but some of you guys. Sorry i got you guys all wound up.

i just come here when im not understanding things or when im obviously missing something in hope to get filled in properly here, but whatever.

Good, I'm glad you took care of it. I didnt jump on your ass about anything. I simply stated search before you post. The only other person that got on your case was |_eclipse_|.

If you really want to post elsewhere then that is fine. There has been maybe one thread where someone has actually said "this is a stupid topic". Everyone at some point in time posts something stupid. No need to get all pissy about it.

If you want to get filled in, that is fine, we will help you with whatever you need. All I ask of you or anyone else is that you search before you post! If you find a thread talking about the same thing and you still dont get it then post in it. Bring it back from however long ago, that is fine. There is just no reason to make multiple threads on the same thing.

Do what you will, if you continue to stay here great, but dont get all wound up if someone jumps all over you about 1 topic.


BTW, did you have a bad night? LoL Your not usually so uptight.

No... not a bad night, just decided to enforce some rules for once since I havent been around much and things seem to get out of hand when the mods arent here.

anyways back on track here, i found my ECU and i found the E in the lower hand corner of it, i didnt even have to remove any panles i just got down their ( upside-down ) and i used my MAG lite and a finger to clear off some dust lol. ( unfortunatly i live on a dirt road :mad: )

and more good news i just bought the last section of parts on my list to make my stage one list complete. now all i need to do is wate like a pup near the front door to deliver the goods! . then ill take my Clutch and my Timing kit down to a buddy i know who will do a perfect job for a good price in short time for less cash than most people that dont even have good rep's yet.

so i have my Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch - Fidanza Flywheel - Timing Kit - 20g Turbo ( clip'd ported ) - intake - Exhast Mani + External flange ( Ported ) - 38mm external waste gate ( custom dump tube ) - ported 02 housing - 3" down pipe to a 3" test pipe back though a 3" greddy exhast system. and i have all the means to manage this system except my AFC and injectors....and im finalized im just getting my 550cc's and an SAFC2. ill get DSMlink later now that i know for sure that i have a EPROM ECU :sunglasse

now the only thing missing from this thread is the big ass smile on my face !! :biggrin:

Watch those injectors. Hope you can get DSMlink and some 720s or larger asap.

Watch those injectors. Hope you can get DSMlink and some 720s or larger asap.

whys that ? the guy im buying the setup from ran 550's.

550's will be fine for now, just keep the boost low. Every car is different. So the guy you bought it off of used 550 injectors. He may have got away with it. Some people do, but the real question is why not go bigger when it wont hurt you any compaired to runing a smaller set like the 550's and taking chances. Its not about getting away with it, its about doing whats right.

Because the guy that ran it probably watched so he wasn't overrunning his injectors, too. 550's are awfully small for any real boost on a 20g.

ok kool good to know, ok so what size would you guys recomend, keep in mind for now without internals my limit will be 400hp to be safer.

I wouldnt spend money on injectors until you have DSMlink. With that you can run any size injector you want with no ill side effects. I personally recomend FIC 950s. The 550s will do for now, just keep airflow (unmolested by an AFC or other device, see spyders thread for info on the math involved) below 40 lbs/min, assuming 11:1 AFR and pump gas. This may seem like greek to you, but with any OBD2 logger airflow should be something available for logging. Taking the time to pay attention to this is very important, and will help prevent any expensive mishaps. Like I said before, you will have a nice street setup on your hands, and I wish you the best of luck with it.

kool thanks. will do the best i can for now.

i dont plan on runing the turbo to its edge. i dont want to break anything while im still building on it.

ill psuh it after i get DSMlink and 950's.

thanks for the all the help, this thread has been an up and down ride for me lol, im finshed here see you all sometime in another thread.

peace.

i think ill have to voice my .02 here too. if i can almost max out my 550's on a small 16g then they are way way way too small for a 20g. think of it this way: more fuel than needed-still have a motor or: less fuel than you need - buying a new bottom end and more fuel.
go bigger than what you think you will ever need so you dont have to worry about it later. and seriously man did you read anything at all about dsmlink, my girlfriend has no problems w/ figuring out what it does and she can find her damn oil plug under the car.

and seriously man did you read anything at all about dsmlink, my girlfriend has no problems w/ figuring out what it does and she can find her damn oil plug under the car.

You were doing good up until this point :D This issue was put to rest long ago...