Ferrari customer demands refund

German businessman Joerg Winterberg is either spoiled or trying to commit suicide. The 60 year-old recently purchased a top-of-the-line Ferrari Challenge Stradale and now he wants a refund… He’s miffed because the vehicle doesn’t actually reach the advertised 186 mph top speed – it ONLY goes to 175 mph. Winterberg states: "I could have bought a Porsche for far less and still had the same performance. I want my money back." Ferrari insists there is nothing wrong with the car and refuses to issue a refund.



Serves him right for not buying a GT3RS :p

I would be pissed too. That's 11 mph.

:thumbsup: on the GT3RS comment.

i would take ferrari to court and sue for false advertisement, that is against the law (im not sure if it is in germany or not), either way id be pissed and stalk the CEO and beat him

and then ferrari engineers would tell you all about how car engines work and show you up for being the brainless twat that you are.

still, i would've gone with the GT3RS as well.

that man is picky. I'm gonna demand a refund for you guys not being a cool as i thought...................j....................../p

well if your paying almost 200,00 dollars for a car, wouldnt you want it to meet exactly what the company says it will do....if they say it will do 186 mph, then it should

even though such things such as air temperature/density, condition of engine oil, condition of engine, tyre conditions, wind conditions, road conditions etc, etc all play a part on how fast it can go?

chances are, the car can go 186 mph.
it's just the guy can't get it to happen.

two words:

Tailwind+Downhill

You aren't supposed to need a tailwind and downhill to hit top speed are you?

I that case, my acccord is faster than it should be :lol:

Well first of all:


CS>GT3RS


:tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:


on a serious note drunken monkey is quite correct. There are many factors affecting a car's speed.

If he wins, everyone with a governor in their car here in the states will be tryin to sue the dealers.

Mods? evercome to mind? Jesus even just gearing? P-Factor is good.

Yeah, we had a guy complain that his SLR wasn't fast enough as well. I'm not sure how much faster you need a car to be for street driving. :dunno:

somebody should let him have a top speed run in a Bugatti Veyron, then he wont complain about the speed.

whoo 400kph!!

R35 GT-R modified to the bullshit. 3 of them.

Sif a brand new motor that hasn't been run in is going to perform as well as one that's had some exercise.

:bs:
False advertising. :D

R35 GT-R modified to the bullshit. 3 of them.

Wow, rag on people who buy over-sized SUV's that get bad gas mileage and you need 3 gas-guzzling sports cars?? :rolleyes:



hypocrite

n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold

Not approving or disapproving sports cars, I was suggesting he could have found better value for money elsewhere.

I don't like SUVs for safety issues first, other negative's after.

Blindside, you really are blind.

BMW 850CSi can reach 186 easily, stock. That would be my car.

THe stock E55 AMG ungoverned can even reach 186 easily, it can reach 191 mph in a heart beat.

Not approving or disapproving sports cars, I was suggesting he could have found better value for money elsewhere.

I don't like SUVs for safety issues first, other negative's after.

Blindside, you really are blind.

I'm blind because I can't read your mind? The only time I've ever read your opinions on SUV's is when you're badmouthing someone who just bought one and starts a thread about it. Learn to express your thoughts more efficiently next time. Thanks. :)

R35 GT-R modified to the bullshit. 3 of them.
There is no R35 GTR and will never be; the R Chassis died with the R34. The new GTR (Not yet released and likely to top US$75,000 when released) will ride on the V Chassis. A GTR doesn't reperesent better buying either IMHO, anyone who buys one brand new is paying far too much for a Nissan, nor can a GTR give the sheer thrills of an MR Ferrari. I suppose, however, if you only mod a car for numbers then you are correct.

The German guy is a twit, perhaps he should get a clue about engineering before buying what is the pinnacle of Automotive engineering (Before the F430 and Enzo came along).

THe stock E55 AMG ungoverned can even reach 186 easily, it can reach 191 mph in a heart beat.

You got a link on how it gets ungoverened?? I'm curious as to the lengths that it takes to get a Merc to ignore it's speed limiter.

i have no clue, I just saw a vid of that E55 going from 70mph to 191 mph in 39 seconds, somewhere on this forum.

I found this dealing with a Nissan 240SX....I'm sure it's way different with teh E55.

http://www.240sx.org/faq/articles/spdgov.htm

One from BenzWorld: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1198349&posts=19&fid=7

(last off topic post for me)

One from BenzWorld: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1198349&posts=19&fid=7

(last off topic post for me)

Thanks for the link. But I'm looking for a more technical explanation of how they bypass all the speed limiters. All I got from the posts was that they sent their ECU's out to get reprogrammed. :(

I take that back about taht being my alst off topic post....


I think it needs to be reprogrammed....It maybe too vital to take out of the car for it may hold other information for the car. I don't know, I'm just assuming from what I read. They "flash" the chip or in other words, reformat it. They delete the current info on the card, then add similar information but different values I guess.

I take that back about taht being my alst off topic post....


I think it needs to be reprogrammed....It maybe too vital to take out of the car for it may hold other information for the car. I don't know, I'm just assuming from what I read. They "flash" the chip or in other words, reformat it. They delete the current info on the card, then add similar information but different values I guess.

Yeah, I figured that. I'm a Mercedes technician in case you didn't know. ;) That's why I'm looking for a more detailed explanation. :)

oh I've known that for a while

somebody should let him have a top speed run in a Bugatti Veyron, then he wont complain about the speed.

whoo 400kph!!

No its 222 mph. Never reached projected speed. The veyrons a Joke. Stick with an XJ or an F1.

how is the veryon a joke?, id rather have the bugatti over the f1 or xj, IMO it looks better

false advertising sucks!



should buy a supra :)



HAHA jokey joke :lol2:

how is the veryon a joke?, id rather have the bugatti over the f1 or xj, IMO it looks better

Read ALL the problems it had during testing. About how it started to lose body panels over 230 an the car became dangeriously unstable. HMM I wonder could be some factors. Weight is another. The F1 lighter an Faster and a better daily driver as well.

illegal_eagle187 - Just for you

http://www.bugattipage.com/newspics/spin.jpg

It has been hyped more than any other car. It was due to be launched two months ago and be capable of hitting a record 252 mph. But now it seems the Volkswagen Group’s new supercar will be delayed until 2005 and could be coming with a new limited top speed of 218 mph.

http://www.cbg.ie/article.asp?listMode=review&ID=644

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=10754

http://www.bugattipage.com/newspics/spin.jpg

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cant stop laughing!!

all factory mercedes, where possible are limited to 155mph. they have an option (not sure if you pay for it or if it's actually done outside of germany where i know it is done) where-by they change the limit to 186. this is what they call removing the speed limiter. i think the 186 mph is chosen as the best top speed because of issues with tyres and the stupid amounts of torque that certain cars have.

by the way, i figured the R35comment was sarcasm....

all factory mercedes, where possible are limited to 155mph.

Jw - this is kinda a stupid question but is the CLK-GTR limited. I heard it was limited to 200 exactly but I'm not sure.

clk gtr?
the dtm car?
if that's the one you're talking about then yes, it's limited to around 200mph.
very small and tidy looking car.
there's one in the canada square display/show, around the corner from the zonda, ferrari 612, 430 spider, aston DB9, Vantage and Vanquish and of all things an BMW/RBS F1 car.
anyone in london should get yourself down there and have a look.
there's also an E-type to show you how small sports cars used to be.....

I think he means the 1998 CLK-GTR. The DTM is completely different.

clk gtr?
the dtm car?


No not the DTM the GTR here this one...

As Round said the 98 -

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8885/1999mercedesclkgtrcoupeusine02.th.jpg (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1999mercedesclkgtrcoupeusine02.jpg)

To the guy that thinks the veyron is good looking- :screwy:

:iagree:

If he wins, everyone with a governor in their car here in the states will be tryin to sue the dealers.
not really. people who buy normal cars like honda's, acura's, nissans, fords, GM, etc aren't spending $200,000+ on it. if it doesn't do exaclty what it claims to do, then for that kinda money i'd be a little pissed. i wouldn't want a refund but i can see where this guy's coming from. i'll put my near 1/4 million dollars towards something that'll do exactly what it's advertised to do. even if the car didnt' really hit the top speed due to wind resistance ro whatever, the speedo should have at least said it.

look what mazda did with the rx-8, it wasn't really putting out the 255 hp it claimed, i forget the exact recourse they had to take but it was something like they had to give people some money back, or the chance to sell the car back, something like that, i think this guy should be entitled to the same thing. he paid nearly $1,000 per claimed mph, give him a few grand back.


and jimster, isn't the new GTR gonna run on the FM chassis?

lol, I agree with the guy. In germany where portions of roadway are unrestircted, I'd like that extra 11 mph especially, as already stated if I was paying $200,000 to see that number. Imagine it was a ship, and this ship was rated for a certain cargo capacity, and it happened to sink before it reached that capacity? It's an extreme example, but I'm trying to illustrate that big dollars demand results, when you fail to provide those results or skew them, people tend to and rightfully so be upset. To us it dosen't make any sense, but we're not in a position to comment on buyer's remorse for a 360 CS.

Personally, for that kinda of money, a RUF R Turbo is $15,000 less, and was clocked at 212 mph ON the Autobahn. Looks pretty good too.

I totally agree with the 2 opinions above. If only the entire industry thought like that.

I wouldnt buy a Ferrari. Rather buy one of those none prodution race cars, like the C5R. :D

I wouldnt buy a Ferrari. Rather buy one of those none prodution race cars, like the C5R. :D

Well theres always the C6R :evillol:

Havent seen the C6R, didnt think they got it made yet, lol. I'll look around.

Edit- Alright very nice, yeah The C6R instead of the C5R, either way they're better than a Ferrari.

Havent seen the C6R, didnt think they got it made yet, lol. I'll look around.

Its soo awsome. I have raw carbon shots need to find em though. I'll post em when I do.

What a panzie. Spoiled bastard.

What a panzie. Spoiled bastard.

Panzie I dont know about that.... He took to 175! Spoiled bastard Definetly!

What can I say? I wanted 186. It was a piece of shit. I want my money back.

I'll buy a bentley continental GT instead.

I'll buy a bentley continental GT instead.

:1: Not to be completely off-topic or anything, but I've wanted that car forever.

Forever eh? Must be tough wanting a car infinitely longer than pre-conception.

Conti GT's are overweight anyways, and mostly props in Hip Hop videos anyways. I still maintain my choice, the R Turbo.

I'm finding everyday I like mainstream luxury brands less and less. Not that they are inferior, there's just too many of them. Case and Point, Bentley (along with countless other elite brands) used to be very low production makers, cranking out maybe a couple hundred units a year. People respected marques bearing the flying B, Prancing Horse, The Spirit of Ecstasy or Raging Bull. Nowadays, every Diva, Hip Hop Star or Pro athlete has one or more of the above, usually with some sort of chromed spinning rims and enough wattage to put on a Ozzy concert. Point is, somewhere along the line, the exclusivity fell off, nowadays, an enthusiast like myself requires something that won't be found on MTV.

I just went way off topic, no intention of hijacking the thread, I may start a new one at this point, but thought I'd share my thoughts.

Lovely thoughts.

Now that I've been totally dissed, I'm going to find a corner to cry in. And find a new car to want while I'm at it.

lol, I'll make a new thread, and try to avoid crushing anybody else's dreams.

try to avoid crushing anybody else's dreams.

Gracias, senor. Just trying to look out for my fellow beings and their hopes.

:1: Not to be completely off-topic or anything, but I've wanted that car forever.

Ehh cars ok... One of the kids in my school has it in british green its ok looking.

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