19R in 2005 JGTC

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

06-27-2005, 06:14 PM

I just found out that 19R (which I believe was sold not too long ago) is in the 2005 JGTC. It's the yellow number 20 car of Hitotsuyama Racing. I first thought it was 25R of the Yellow Corn without decals, but a site (screen shot below) said it's 19R. So far there have been 3 races and I it has only entered in race 2, but had a DNF. Race 4 is in 25 days and you can keep up to date on the JGTC site: http://supergt.net/jp/

JGTC is having an All Star race at the California Speeway after the season so hopefully someone in So Cal can see a McLaren in a race (if the McLaren shows up).

Pictures:

http://img275.echo.cx/img275/9722/19rz2o9oo.jpg

http://img275.echo.cx/img275/8895/19rz2p0zp.jpg

http://img275.echo.cx/img275/6290/19rz2q5mt.jpg

Peloton25

06-27-2005, 06:45 PM

It's not #19R - it is indeed #25R. The JGTC site has had both cars listed as #19R since the beginning of time and it is a mistake. It was one of the reasons that it took so long to finally be able to confirm which car the Hitotsuyama GTR really was. I had sent the team emails which went unanswered, but someone else was finally able to get a response from them.

>8^)
ER

bucciali

08-29-2005, 08:38 PM

Found pictures of 25R or 019R from 2003, when it was racing with no 76.
Didn't want to start a whole new thread, so I choose this one to add to.

I don't recall seeing pics of it before on the track being so sticker-less,

Enjoy!

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8640/jgtcmaccaf1gtr025no7621hh.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jgtcmaccaf1gtr025no7621hh.jpg) http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/913/jgtcmaccaf1gtr025no762ej.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jgtcmaccaf1gtr025no762ej.jpg) http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3866/jgtcmaccaf1gtr025no7633fp.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jgtcmaccaf1gtr025no7633fp.jpg)

FortuneF1

09-15-2005, 01:22 AM

if they bring it to the race in america this year im so there

ArchangelGTR

09-15-2005, 09:38 AM

I'll be very surprised if they bring it to the US. It's pretty much a privateer effort and I doubt that they will spend the funds to ship it across the Pacific.

bucciali

10-02-2005, 07:00 PM

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

10-02-2005, 07:36 PM

Cool pics! I Like the black&white mix with the colors!

ArchangelGTR

10-03-2005, 12:35 AM

Just to add to your pics:

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/imgs/3/8/382622c6.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/imgs/0/2/02fe7e9f.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/imgs/4/a/4a1f2030.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/imgs/0/8/08ad2e49.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/imgs/4/d/4dfcf975.jpg

http://supergt.net/supergt/2005/05gallery/0506gallery/0506_003.jpg

http://supergt.net/supergt/2005/05gallery/0506gallery/0506_028.jpg

http://supergt.net/supergt/2005/05gallery/0506gallery/0506_090.jpg

ArchangelGTR

10-03-2005, 12:44 AM

More:

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/images/race189.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/images/race187.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/images/race192.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/images/race193.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/images/race196.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/images/race194.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/images/race195.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/images/race197.jpg

ArchangelGTR

10-03-2005, 12:59 AM

ArchangelGTR

10-03-2005, 01:40 AM

A few more:

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/imgs/2/f/2fd93fe3.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/imgs/6/0/600ee238.jpg

Tajimax paint scheme layout
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/t2mjp/imgs/0/7/079061c0.jpg

Mod Edit: I "link"ed the last one since it was so large.

bucciali

10-03-2005, 02:12 AM

Nice one, ArchangelGTR! Had most of them though, the ones with all the people and the scribbling (?) and the Yellow Corn ones. The last three are new to me, nice ones. :thumbsup:

Peloton25

10-03-2005, 08:34 PM

Some Wallpaper-kindof pics of the YellowCorn & SOK GTR's (19R and 25R).

It's actually 25R and 19R. ;)

and 19R as it is raced now by Team Tajimax.

...25R ;)

And it appears it's still the Hitotsuyama Racing Team campaigning the car, doing so under new Tajimax sponsorship however. Hitotsuyama has been racing this car since 1999 when it was white and wore the ZERO livery.

>8^)
ER

ArchangelGTR

10-03-2005, 10:27 PM

Oooops. I was on a roll. :icon16: Completely ignored the chassis #. Thanks for clarifying that Peloton!

FortuneF1

10-03-2005, 10:44 PM

those pics are awesome! thanks for posting them

bucciali

11-01-2005, 03:12 PM

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

11-01-2005, 03:21 PM

Great pics, thanks!

Peloton25

11-01-2005, 03:38 PM

BMW.WilliamsF1Team

11-01-2005, 03:48 PM

My all-time favorite shot of #25R:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/Desktop%20Wallpapers/th_YellowCorn_Wallpaper.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/Desktop%20Wallpapers/YellowCorn_Wallpaper.jpg)
You know the drill...

>8^)
ER

Actually, when I was saving the pics bucciali posted, I saw the last saved pic was that one you posted before. I then set it as my wallpaper. Looks awesome.

FortuneF1

11-01-2005, 03:55 PM

excellent photos, thanks for sharing.
what are everyone elses thoughts on the work racing wheels though?
i cant say that i like them on the gtr very much

Peloton25

11-01-2005, 04:00 PM

Actually, when I was saving the pics bucciali posted, I saw the last saved pic was that one you posted before. I then set it as my wallpaper. Looks awesome.

It did a stint as my wallpaper too. (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2395643&postcount=1) :thumbsup:

>8^)
ER

bucciali

11-01-2005, 05:44 PM

amanichen

11-01-2005, 06:59 PM

So how successful have these GTRs been over the past few years?

I'd like to think that because they're F1s that they'd slaughter everything out there, but I'm thinking that maintenance and driver skill have a big factor in their success (or lackthereof.)

ArchangelGTR

11-02-2005, 12:38 AM

Excellent photos Bucciali!

I've read somewhere (a source which I can't find) that they are now severely handicapped with restrictors.. since most Japanese cars are not running the large 6.0 liter motors... but they're making equivalent HP with 2.4 to 4.3 liter motors. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong) I speculate that inconsistency on the teams/drivers and DNF's seem to make for dismal appearances at race events.

This year the Tajimax team #20 is not even in the top 20 driver standings. They've only entered 2 of the 8 races, in which both times they've DNF'd with the last race an absurd 21 laps completed out of 110. :banghead:

The long-tails have never been as successful in the Japanese series as the short-tails were in 96.. in which they won the JGTC championship.

The Japanese GT series does not favor European nor American cars even the tried and true 911 which has always been a part of Japanese GT racing since I can remember from back in the Martini Racing days.

They plan on trying to make the Super GT formula THE formula for GT racing... As much as I enjoy JGTC/Super GT... I think something is askew in their formula especially since these cars are never successful at Le Mans but yet dominate over the same cars in their own series. :eek7:

FortuneF1

11-02-2005, 01:10 AM

the 'longtail' gtr running in the jgtc for the past few years is making only 500hp as opposed to 600, due to the class and regulations...it runs in the gt500 class, which is for 500hp cars, there is also the gt300 class for 300hp cars, much like gt1 and gt2 in european gt racing... the main reasons why it isnt very competitive is because its a: an 8 year old car, whereas the japanese cars running in the series are mostly state of the art brand new race cars, b: its running on a large displacement, highly restricted engine, whereas the japanese rivals are mainly running brand new low displacement turbocharged engines built for a certain amount of power rather than restricted like the f1's v12. the f1 is running the choked off 6.0l v12 while the next largest disp. engine is the toyota 4.3l v-8, then nissan is running 3.5l v6 twin turbos, and honda is running 3.2l v-6 twin turbos, and i think thats all of the gt500 cars... gt300 cars run turbo i-4's, na v-6's and some na i-4's, the point is that the mclaren's big v12 is choked off to 500hp while its rivals are running engines built specifically for 500hp, and thats the main reason why its not competitive... plus the whole outdated thing...

F1 monster

11-02-2005, 01:40 AM

FortuneF1

11-02-2005, 02:16 AM

I don't get it. 500 bhp is 500 bhp, anyway you cut it. It is obviously uncompetitive, but not for the reasons you state. Instead of saying "choked" if you used the words "brought down to" 500 bhp, it might put it in a better perspective.

How is the cornering speed? How is the acceleration from the cornering speeds? Aerodynamics? Handling? Plus, comparisons of the drivers in this car and other cars, of course. These might give a better idea of the reasons behind its lackluster performance.

think of it this way... how well can you breath through a mcdonalds straw? when you take an engine built to produce 600 or more hp and choke it off with intake restrictors its linear performance falls drastically, it wont accelerate as hard and it wont reach the speeds its should, especially because the transmission is geared to work best with 600hp, if you take 100hp away the gearing may be to tall for the power the car is producing, therefore it wont accelerate as quikly or reach as high of speeds as normal... a engine restricted too 500 hp has an enormous disadvantage when compared to an engine built specifically for that output. as far as aeros and cornering performance, etc... its all the same as any other 97 gtr, so it shouldnt suffer much in that area, even though advancements have been made in aerodynamics and suspension components since the car was new, it suffers most in the engine performance dept. being an 8 year old car in a field of brand new state of the art racecars is also a huge disadvantage, the car is completely outdated, in fact even if the engine was unrestricted it probably still wouldnt stand a chance, a perfect example of how quikly racing technology advances is 95 to 96 lemans, in 95 mclaren outpaced everyone, 96 they were completely outpaced... 97 to 98 fia gt championship, 97 the f1 gtr's gave the mercedes clk-gtr's a run for their money, nearly winning the championship. in 98 the lone, one year old, mclaren in the field got lapped regularly by the new for 98 mercedes clk-lm's and new for 98 porsche gt1's. in the racing world a year old car is ancient, so the 97 f1 gtr in a field with 05 nsx's, fairlady z's, etc. is what, archaeic?

ArchangelGTR

11-02-2005, 10:24 AM

A major problem is that the McLarens are not finishing races. You can't win a race if you don't even finish.. let alone finish on the same lap.

And you're right... old technology vs. the money and R&D into some of these cars which have little to no functional resemblance to their street counterparts. Similar to America's NASCAR where only the roofline is the same. The underpinnings, suspension, body panels (OK the door is the same), and even motor are far removed from the street vehicles.
I think the spirit of GT racing is no longer held in the Japanese GT series. It has taken its lead from the 98 FIA GT series.. where things were getting out of hand.

Peloton25

12-24-2006, 05:24 PM

payso

12-24-2006, 06:40 PM

amazing pics Erik, love the last 3 :)

F1 monster

12-24-2006, 09:52 PM

Amazing pics, Peloton! I love the second to last one, on the elevator. Imagine a real-life toybox stocked with cars like the F1! Thanks for sharing.

Peloton25

12-25-2006, 02:50 AM

Glad you guys like the new pics! :thumbsup:

I guess I will stick this in here too. There's more than a handful of shots of #25R & #19R together when #25R wore the 'Yellow Corn' livery, but this is the first time I have seen them together when #25R was still wearing the 'ZERO' livery. :cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/2c014_.jpg

>8^)
ER

hurstg01

12-25-2006, 06:22 AM

Ahhh - home sweet home, and a very sweet photo as well. :cool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/th_219647ac.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20D/219647ac.jpg)
Enjoy all the pics!
>8^)
ER

Welcome to my new wallpaper - :cheers:

Le Man

12-26-2006, 02:31 PM

Ace pics Erik, :thumbsup:

Great post, keep them coming.

Interesting to see the monocoque mods, for extra side impact protection and chassis stiffness. Plus the roll cage changes to 25R.

Sauc3

12-27-2006, 08:12 AM

hurstg01

12-27-2006, 09:11 AM

A couple Yellow Corn pics (I love the second one, colours are magnificent.):
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7418/yellowgtr1fc1.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yellowgtr1fc1.jpg)http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5778/42a5defanq2.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=42a5defanq2.jpg)

I love the 2nd one too, not just for your reason but also it seems that its winning!!!!

Great pics :thumbsup:

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