3000GT Vs. Impala SS

Lets keep it short and sweet, im on the highway this morning and he blows past me, i drop it in third catch up to him at about 110 and put about 3 cars on him to 140 he pulls even i give him the thumbs up and that was it, the look on his face went something like this. :22yikes: and i was like :grinyes:

it really is a shame that their SS model is a 3.8 liter v6 that is super charged, yet its slower then the V6 anything that came out of japan without any special tacky factory badging.

Nice kill, I always wondered how they performed...I guess not as well as I expected.

dude TatII shutup the 3.8 rocks, u have no idea what ur talking about, I don't see any japanese V6's cranking out a whopping 280 lb ft. of torque like the supercharged 3.8, the extra displacement roxs

power is only part of the battle. building a car that actually makes use of it is the other. obviously the Impala makes poor use of the power..

power is only part of the battle. building a car that actually makes use of it is the other. obviously the Impala makes poor use of the power..

It's the transmission, they really aren't all that good and are problematic. With mods the 3.8 sc can be pretty quick, as seen with some of the GTPs out there.

there is no doubt about its power potential. we all see with that the gtp's and comp G's. jeffsgtpsleeper is an 11 second car. however its stock output is really nothing and almost every n/a japanese v6 makes more power and are faster stock.

but reguardless putting the SS badge on that car is a joke. the older lt1 powered impalas were much better.

Yeah, I'd rather have an Lt1...It's too bad GM doesn't seem to like V8 RWD as much anymore.

dude TatII shutup the 3.8 rocks, u have no idea what ur talking about, I don't see any japanese V6's cranking out a whopping 280 lb ft. of torque like the supercharged 3.8, the extra displacement roxs
Oh god...

VQ35DE 274-ft-lbs 287hp
VQ40DE 291ft-lbs 270hp

all without a high rpm killing roots blower
then again peakpower doesnt mean jack without power under the curve

Yeah, I'd rather have an Lt1...It's too bad GM doesn't seem to like V8 RWD as much anymore.

at least there are the GTO and vette.

A stock VR-4 makes 315lb ft of tourque at 2500 rpm's hows that for japanese v6 torque L98driver

L98Driver as well as every other v6 from japan mentioned how about the Toyota Supra twin turbo that make 315 tq.

rb26dett rb25det rb20det vg30dett vq30det even the SR series puts down good numbers

man the list just goes on and on and on and on...

ummm :confused: it does not say new or old impala so was it the new one?

Yes it was a new one, a 2005 i believe, it looked like this http://www.chevrolet.com/i/gallery/impala/ext_gallery03.jpg

it also had dual exhaust and rims.

I thought the new Impalas had the 5.3?

what kind of motor do the impala cop cars run under the hood??? it can't be the v6, any fool with a grand prix could outrun them....even if it was the SS impala i still think the cops would need more power than a v-6 even if it was supercharged...:dunno:...and i think the new 327 impalas/grand prixs come out in 2006....i still don't understand why you would have a v-8 with fwd but meh, whatever GM killed the camaro for a wannabe hot rod truck....still hate GM for that...:banghead:

didnt the 95 impala have the 305 in it? even so it was still slow.

The 95 Impala SS had an LT1 in it and for its massive bulk it could move pretty quick. The 05 or 06 Impala is getting a V8 I heard. Cops don't really care too much about out running people its not worth a high speed chase. I think the police Impalas with the V6 FWD will run mid to low 15's If I am correct which is more than enough to catch most people.

Just so you know...a number of motors listed above are Inline, not V-config, motors.

Just so you know...a number of motors listed above are Inline, not V-config, motors.

Not to mention the top of the line motors of their respected companies. The 3.8 sc isn't a motor gm produced to be put into cars like the corvette for ultimate performance. It's more of a motor for a fast grocery getter...kinda like a GM version of the SHO. The Vq series motors are used in a Nissan sports car...then detuned slightly for some of their passenger cars. The 2jz is in one of toyotas greatest cars, and the same goes for the rb series of engines (except with nissan).

L98Driver as well as every other v6 from japan mentioned how about the Toyota Supra twin turbo that make 315 tq.

2 turbos and still only makes 315 tq? Not trying to bash the supra but c'mon that's more of an insult than anything.

I'd still rather have my S54B32 or a fully built and TCd S52...

what kind of motor do the impala cop cars run under the hood??? it can't be the v6, any fool with a grand prix could outrun them....even if it was the SS impala i still think the cops would need more power than a v-6 even if it was supercharged...:dunno:...and i think the new 327 impalas/grand prixs come out in 2006....i still don't understand why you would have a v-8 with fwd but meh, whatever GM killed the camaro for a wannabe hot rod truck....still hate GM for that...:banghead:

i believe the engine in the cop verison of the impala is whatever engine is in the vette of that year. so the new cop impalas will get the new vette engine. someone correct me if im wrong.

i believe the engine in the cop verison of the impala is whatever engine is in the vette of that year. so the new cop impalas will get the new vette engine. someone correct me if im wrong.

i don't think they will be putting LS2's into fleet vehicles even if they are cop cars. a 400hp fwd would be insane. also an ls2 is configured to a RWD. the engine is designed to sit north/south of the car, not east/west like a fwd. so i doubt they would be puttin such an engine in a cop car.

and also the tq rating for the supra TT is underated. its puts down around 280 lb of tq at the wheels, same as the hp. and remember, the supra TT is extremely detuned from the factory.

Not to mention the top of the line motors of their respected companies. The 3.8 sc isn't a motor gm produced to be put into cars like the corvette for ultimate performance. It's more of a motor for a fast grocery getter...kinda like a GM version of the SHO. The Vq series motors are used in a Nissan sports car...then detuned slightly for some of their passenger cars. The 2jz is in one of toyotas greatest cars, and the same goes for the rb series of engines (except with nissan).
Indeed.
No question the RB26DETT <b>was</b> and to a lesser extent the VG30DETT; the flagship motors for nissan. The others I listed were much more widly used, such as the RB25DET & RB20DET (cefiro, skyline) and the VQ30DET(gloria/cedric) and still were detuned from the factory to avoid competing with their higher end motors which were listed at a mear 280hp due to the gentlemens agreement. This agreement also skews the apparent power numbers put down by all japanes motors (2jzget etc...) compared to domestic ones.
The SC 3.8 built by GM is their flagship 6 cylinder, and as such is out dated and underpowered for what it is. Dont get me wrong, Im a domestic fan just not a 6 cyl domestic fan.
I simply wanted to point out the ignorance or mearly miss-information of some people that may not be familiar with japanes powerplants.

yah you know you're fucked when you have to slap FI on a v6 to achieve hp/tq #'s that the Japanese car companies are putting up with naturally aspirated engines.

[QUOTE]2 turbos and still only makes 315 tq? Not trying to bash the supra but c'mon that's more of an insult than anything[QUOTE]

Not to bash mustangs 90redGT but the fact that my non turbo v6 makes more power stock for stock than your V8 STANG. is more of an insult than anything. :biggrin: jk

2 turbos and still only makes 315 tq? Not trying to bash the supra but c'mon that's more of an insult than anything.

as was stated the car is detuned. tis is why with bpu, your in the 450hp range.

with just the b/c alone, you can pull out about 420hp

those 2 turbo's on that v6 is adding 95hp detuned

[QUOTE]2 turbos and still only makes 315 tq? Not trying to bash the supra but c'mon that's more of an insult than anything[QUOTE]

Not to bash mustangs 90redGT but the fact that my non turbo v6 makes more power stock for stock than your V8 STANG. is more of an insult than anything. :biggrin: jk

Are you sure it does? I thought the 90GT made 225Hp and close to 300Tq? Not to bash on your car or anything but I am not so sure you have him outgunned.

Well the sl has 222 hp stock so its basically the same i know the mid 90's gt's only have like 215 hp so maybe im wrong.

I think the new impala SS is getting the LS3 V8 that is also seeing some entertainment in the Grand Prix GXP this season. Front Wheel Drive american cars just sounds too odd to me. Thank god BMW is sticking to RWD cars...

It really is a shame that their SS model is a 3.8 liter v6 that is super charged, yet its slower then the V6 anything that came out of japan without any special tacky factory badging.

BS the SC3.8L Imp runs mid to high 14s stock and the limiter is at 126mph, so that may be why you blew by him.
:shakehead

Or he wasn't going WOT.

Good kill i guess.

The impalas can be modded just as easily as the grand prix, monte carlo, and regal versions of the SC 3.8L. I know a guy running 12.2@113mph in his 2004 impala with just a few mods. That is performance. The car may not be fast stock but the engine is capable of supporting alot of power without having to change the internals.

I think the new impala SS is getting the LS3 V8 that is also seeing some entertainment in the Grand Prix GXP this season. Front Wheel Drive american cars just sounds too odd to me. Thank god BMW is sticking to RWD cars...

RWD cars that only need 3.2 liters and an I6 to run low 13s, high 12s.

BS the SC3.8L Imp runs mid to high 14s stock and the limiter is at 126mph, so that may be why you blew by him.
:shakehead

Or he wasn't going WOT.

Good kill i guess.

The impalas can be modded just as easily as the grand prix, monte carlo, and regal versions of the SC 3.8L. I know a guy running 12.2@113mph in his 2004 impala with just a few mods. That is performance. The car may not be fast stock but the engine is capable of supporting alot of power without having to change the internals.

why did you quote me jeff? i didn't say anything relative to what your reply is saying. anyways the altima SE-R also runs mid to low 14's stock as well. and standard 3.5 SE's runs the same times but will trap higher ( closer to 100 mph ) even the extremely inefficient ( by japanese standards ) 3.8 sohc 3.8 from mitsu in the new eclipse traps at 101mph in a 3500lb eclipse. i never argued about their potential because you are perfect prove of the engines ability but its very very detuned from the factory and i wonder why would gm market the car as is.

whoops didn't mean to quote you.

I was calling BS on the SL taking a 3.8LSC from 110 to 140 by two cars+

I am guessing the car is detuned for durability.

i wouldnt call bs, on it.

they have similar numbers, there is aero dynamics and gearing and other things that come into play up top.

with vehicles so close in numbers, not wise to call bs.

if you heard RX-7 out ran a supra on the freeway. would you call bs? or say, its a street race, lots of factors involved and its possible?

know what i mean?

For one thing their limiter is at 126mph so a race from 110-140 isn't exactly fair.

[QUOTE]2 turbos and still only makes 315 tq? Not trying to bash the supra but c'mon that's more of an insult than anything[QUOTE]

Not to bash mustangs 90redGT but the fact that my non turbo v6 makes more power stock for stock than your V8 STANG. is more of an insult than anything. :biggrin: jk

yes yes i know HP wise stock 5.0's weren't all that great but. Torque wise they were pretty good. That's what i was referring to. There aren't many vehicles that a stock 5.0 can hang with. I know that. But the fact that a twin turbo supra only has 315 ft.'lbs of torque is strange. But as youngvr4 pointed out they are detuned from the factory. I would guess for reliablility reasons. But still, damn they should make a lot more than that i would think. :( how big is a supra engine?

yes yes i know HP wise stock 5.0's weren't all that great but. Torque wise they were pretty good. That's what i was referring to. There aren't many vehicles that a stock 5.0 can hang with. I know that. But the fact that a twin turbo supra only has 315 ft.'lbs of torque is strange. But as youngvr4 pointed out they are detuned from the factory. I would guess for reliablility reasons. But still, damn they should make a lot more than that i would think. :( how big is a supra engine?
3.0L I6 DOHC, 2jzgte

The 3.8 runs out of steam high up, the roots type blower on it is very restrictive high up. Good low down, bad high up, perfect for light to light racing really really sucky for high speed runs.

Its hard to do a highway run to 140 when you hit the limiter.
The M90s can be highway monsters. My blower is completely stock and I pull on a manual Z51 C6 from 60-130mph

Why is it bs? the damn thing weighs 3600 pounds as apposed to my 3200 and with my mods our hp numbers are near the same, im standard im sure it was an auto, even in a stop light race im pretty sure i would spank it. Oh and 90REDGT the supra engine is a 3.0 inline six.

And the 05 impala ss was tested at low to mid 15's. and i know for a fact im faster than that.