POST COUNTS....Keep them or dich them??

This has come up again and im interested to see what other think about it.
PLEASE VOTE
Tell us if you think the post count under your name should stay or should go.
Just interested......
No need for a reply.....JUST VOTE YES OR NO if you want

GET RID OF THEM, BABY!! :ylsuper :ylsuper :ylsuper

sorry,but I want to reply to this one.There are two different ways to incrase your postcount - one is to postwhore shamelessly most of the time,and the other is to spend many hours carefully constructing useful information and entertainment for the benefit of the whole board.While I would be happy to see the postcounts scrapped if it stopped the whoring,it would be grossly unfair to the select few AF members(NO,NOT ME) who have worked so hard to make this site a success.

There are other options to reduce the problem,many of which can be targeted directly at the individuals who are causing bandwidth issues.

Keep them, it's nice to have a general idea of who knows what they are talking about. Especially for the new kids.

Originally posted by D16 V-TEC
Keep them, it's nice to have a general idea of who knows what they are talking about. Especially for the new kids.

Tha's the frustrating part........some of the most informed and entertaining material comes from people who rarely post.....and some of the people who have the highest counts are total idiots who just sit at their PC's for hours at a time throwing smart-alec insults at each other(and anybody else foolish enough to wander into their threads)

Originally posted by taranaki


Tha's the frustrating part........some of the most informed and entertaining material comes from people who rarely post.....and some of the people who have the highest counts are total idiots who just sit at their PC's for hours at a time throwing smart-alec insults at each other(and anybody else foolish enough to wander into their threads)

So true Tman.

I say don't display them with the post, just keep it in your profile so incase you want to know around how many hours you've piddled away you can check:silly2:

Originally posted by Gonthrax


So true Tman.

I say don't display them with the post, just keep it in your profile so incase you want to know around how many hours you've piddled away you can check:silly2: Exactly. And I know its been said before, but I know of more and more boards that are initiating the no post count policy.

Originally posted by JD@af
Exactly. And I know its been said before, but I know of more and more boards that are initiating the no post count policy.

Good idea.

Wow, and it appears that I've made it a 10-vote race now complete with 50/50 deadlock!

I vote to remove the postcount from under the name, but then leave it in the profile.

Thanks for the extra option,it gets my vote!:D

Taking away post counts, what a good idea.


Im personally for this one, do we really care how many posts we have I mean come on, Ive been here over a year, almost 2, and i only have over 1000 posts.:rolleyes: Post counts to me are just numbers, I don't care about mine, I am glad somebody finally took the time to mention this, as to Pman, and G$ have high post counts, and G$ was always one to brag about his.:rolleyes: Im going to vote for get rid of it, but keep it in your profile, It would be so much nicer, with out everyone caring about how many friggin posts they have.

Originally posted by SkYLiNeFrEaK
Ive been here over a year, almost 2...:confused: How do you figure? The board is only 18 months old...

Originally posted by jay@af
:confused: How do you figure? The board is only 18 months old...


Okay, pardon me then:p I stand corrected.


But anyways, would I be considered one of the old tymers? since i was here almost when this place first started?

On one hand, post counts are good because it keeps people posting. On the other hand though, post counts dont do anything. They seem to be strictly ornamental. And the point of a message board isnt to get your post count as high as you can, its to talk to people and get info when you need it. I say get rid of em, but keep them in your profile so if anyone REALLY wants to know then they can.

Leave them in the profile. I don't know what people are trying to prove by having a high post count.

btw- here is something odd- If I post at my usual 13 a day rate, as my profile states- after a year I will have 4745 posts!!!!!!! I just hope they are 4745 useful posts

Well, back to this topic I see.


I was once, long ago, the offical Post-Whore, now the times have changed

'Past is the past, the future is now' - Clem

I couldn't care a whole lot, but it's nice to have. It's quite true tohugh, the most insightful people are low-posters, I feel I'm becoming more of a low poster myself. This could be partly why i ahrdly post in the "Coffee Break" area anymore, but I still am on the site everyday, in Programming class.

So now that I've summed up my AF life, I choose #3.

Originally posted by jay@af
:confused: How do you figure? The board is only 18 months old...

I would say I've been around that long. Only because I used to post on PH then it became something else - and then all members just came over here and started new users with the same nicks.

Originally posted by ozriceboy
I would say I've been around that long. Only because I used to post on PH then it became something else - and then all members just came over here and started new users with the same nicks. Good answer. ;)

That was my first thought - then I saw the guys nick - and realised prob. not a Honda board crossover. ;)

Who added the third one into my poll..???

Just for the record i've always been one to say ditch them, but who ever came up with the third choice is bloody clever IMO....(JD/Jay?)
MIGHT BE THE BEST ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM ???


Keep the votes coming ppl.....this is getting interesting

Tangie added it.It was Gonthrax's idea(as posted),I was talking to Tangie and suggested I'd vote for it if it were an option.
.:D

Originally posted by taranaki
Tangie added it.It was Gonthrax's idea(as posted),I was talking to Tangie and suggested I'd vote for it if it were an option.
.:D

Women :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ..they just cant help themselfs can they :bloated: :bloated: :bloated:
j/k :D

Originally posted by primera man


Women :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ..they just cant help themselfs can they :bloated: :bloated: :bloated:
j/k :D



hmmmmmmm.........not trying to bump your postcount up there are you?:finger:

Originally posted by taranaki




hmmmmmmm.........not trying to bump your postcount up there are you?:finger:

Bugger....caught out again :finger: :finger:

Another thing that i wonder about these polls is that so far 148 ppl have looked in this thread but only a handfull post in the poll :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

some may be checking back again and again to see if there are any inteligent comments and to see how the poll is going

what if we only counted posts that were over 100 characters long? or something like that, or have 2 post counts 1) Post whore count - like under 50 char and 2) useful count - over a certain amount of words or something

Originally posted by taranaki
Tangie added it.It was Gonthrax's idea(as posted),I was talking to Tangie and suggested I'd vote for it if it were an option.
.:D

Damn, I've already voted too. For the record when viewing the poll you should subtract one vote from "Ditch Um" and add one to the "Remove from plain view" option.

Originally posted by Towlie
what if we only counted posts that were over 100 characters long? or something like that, or have 2 post counts 1) Post whore count - like under 50 char and 2) useful count - over a certain amount of words or something

haha, good idea, a post whore count

Originally posted by Towlie
what if we only counted posts that were over 100 characters long? or something like that, or have 2 post counts 1) Post whore count - like under 50 char and 2) useful count - over a certain amount of words or something :)


I just did a simple postwhore trick, the "quote with smiley." I get credit for 293 of your characters and 3 of my own... :p

I agree that not having in plain sight can be quite a good thing. As far as having an idea whether the person who's replying to you has a clue or not, IMO the length of time they've been on the board (ie: the date they registered) is much more useful than the number of posts they've made. And the date of registration is clearly visible under everybody's name too. So I voted number 3

count me in for the out of sight out of mind option. unfortunatly some people do require the ego booster of post counts to feel special and loved in the world. having those people leave may also have an ill effect in that they will no longer recommend to others to come to this board and join. unfortunatly these lost referals may also be lost members with something somewhat intelligent to say. sure the loss will probably be very small and not very noticable, but the loss of potential quality posters will be a hurt to everyone even if it is only one person who decides to not "join ship". its like modding an engine, everything you do produces results both good and bad, but do the ends justify the means or make it at least somewhat worth it.

also i am not a fan of branding but as everyone knows there are leaders and followers in every walk of life. part of the solution may lay in the hands of targeting known leaders of whoring and retarded posts. once examples are made, be it banning or simply tagging them with an "under advisment" sticker under thier name things may begin to simmer down since the weak minded followers who feel the need to be cool like thier counterparts will no longer have the injection of bullshit the require to start going crazy. maybe make one of the current mod's a forum wide police if you will to specifically hunt down bullshit and trim the head off before it has time to pollenate other potential whore's in hiding.

the systimatic execution of a way of posting, sure genocide is wrong but its only a message board right?

p.s. i have whored a post or two even very recently but i feel confident that 99%+ of my post are in some way shape or form legitimate. and for all the people who have been here since before the PH crossover let me speak for us that are worth more then the dirt we are naturally associated with and apologize for the problems we have brought with us. some of us do actually care believe it or not.

Some good points there ILNG.....The current crop of offenders are actually drivig good people away from AF.Has nobody else noticed that Judge no longer posts,or RevHappyCowboy?these are just two names that spring to mind,and if I am assuming too much I apologise,but I suspect they may have tired of the anarchic behaviour of certain members.

Can the post count & stop the mindless post whoring.

Vote Option 3

Panda's hate Post Whores!!!
:aug2: :aug2: :greenchai

I say lose the post count. What does it matter how many posts people have made??

Originally posted by Spec2 Girl
I say lose the post count. What does it matter how many posts people have made??

that coming from the Queen:p :D

Originally posted by darkness


that coming from the Queen:p :D Your just jealous! :finger: :D

j/k :)


Btw my airflow meter died this morning. :(

Originally posted by moondog
As far as having an idea whether the person who's replying to you has a clue or not, IMO the length of time they've been on the board (ie: the date they registered) is much more useful than the number of posts they've made.

I agree with moondog here. Again, this is not true in all cases, but I do feel that amount of time someone has been on the boards is probably more important than a ## of posts. But, if postcounts have to be taken off to stop some from being so immature, then so be it. Whatever it takes to help out this board....im all for it!

The only thing that I cared about about my postcount was getting to 100, so I could get an avatar up. But IIRC, you can put up an avatar now as soon as you join. Am I correct here?

Conclusion: Get some ppl (no fingers being pointed here) to grow up, and stop worrying about there postcount. (Unlikely that will happen :rolleyes: ) OR Hide the counts in the profiles

My .02

Originally posted by HuMMerMan
The only thing that I cared about about my postcount was getting to 100, so I could get an avatar up. But IIRC, you can put up an avatar now as soon as you join. Am I correct here?Yes. Users can upload avatars at 0 posts.

Thanks to those that have taken the time to vote so far....some really good points coming up....keep them coming

Its interesting to note that this disccusion seems to revolve alot around the happenings in both OT forums.
But please remember that there is a lot more to AF than the OT forums, and they are only included for somewhere to discuss things non-automotive as a break from talking about cars.


If your really worried about the whoring and lack of maturity in the PH OT forum then the most efficant and effective way to end it is to remove all the OT forums.
The whore's are not here to get bigger post counts, they are here because they have nothing else to do.
They have simply found somewhere to act out thier boredom, and post counts happen to be something easy for them to worry about. Remove the post counts and they will not stop, they will just find something else to make a fuss over.

Originally posted by Moppie

But please remember that there is a lot more to AF than the OT forums, and they are only included for somewhere to discuss things non-automotive as a break from talking about cars.
If your really worried about the whoring and lack of maturity in the PH OT forum then the most efficant and effective way to end it is to remove all the OT forums.


From a purely selfish point of view,I would have to say a very loud NO to this idea....I am clearly in the minority here, but I tend to spend moSt of my time in OT.If you close down OT,the whores won't go away,you will simply have to contend with their antic in the car forums.

The only way to tackle the problem is to remove the people who are making the mess instead of constantly trying to clean up after them.

Originally posted by taranaki


From a purely selfish point of view,I would have to say a very loud NO to this idea....I am clearly in the minority here, but I tend to spend moSt of my time in OT.If you close down OT,the whores won't go away,you will simply have to contend with their antic in the car forums.Have to agree that removing the OT boards is going to create more problems than it solves. You will notice that the OT boards stay busiest of all the AF/PH boards here. I think it is an understatement that people will not be too happy without them.

Yep....removing OT will just let the bullshit get posted in the other forums/threads

I agree with the point of view that removing OT will simply scatter the whores to the wind (and other forums aswell:p )

Personaly, whoring doesn't bother me too much as long as it's in OT and not in a forum were I'm trying to relay info to someone, read an interesting thread, or find the answer to a question. I think there should be an OT section were you can come and shoot the proverbial shit. Without it, the Gen Discussion forums of your forum of choice (if one is there) will fill up with the OT stuff instead of general car discussion like it was intended to.

Keep them.:rolleyes:

IF YOU TAKE THEM AWAY THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY WHORES,WHAT FUN IS THERE WITHOUT ANY WHORES:flash: :flash: :flash:

w00t! 2000! :p

thing is, oftne when people say "postwhore" they just mean "posts heaps of posts", and that could simply mean they have a lot of time to spend on AF, or they have a lot (relevant) to say, or even that they're a much faster typer than the rest of us plebs. :)

The other side, is those people who are concerned about the number under their name, and post mindless, banal, and completely pointless replies in order to increase that number. I must say I haven't seen any of that on AF (at least in the completely OT section, which is where I am most of the time) for quite a while. That's the sort of stuff you might curb somewhat by making the postcounts less immediately visible.

Originally posted by Stoned Raider
IF YOU TAKE THEM AWAY THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY WHORES,WHAT FUN IS THERE WITHOUT ANY WHORES:flash: :flash: :flash:

So far this is the only post in the thread that has attempted to put a case in favour of whoring........and it fails miserably.

What fun is there without whores?

1/It's fun being able to get into the forum.excessive whoring swamps the server,resulting in some members not being able to get into AF.Those on dial-up connections are worst-hit.

2/It's fun being able to post a new thread,and get peoples opinions instead of a predictable barrage of mindless insults from the AF village idiots

3/It's fun to know that you can access useful information such as who is currently logged on instead of seeing features sacrificed for more whoring bandwidth.

4/It's fun to see a broad range of opinions on a broad range of OT subjects instead of the same half a dozen people playing the same moronic games EVERY SODDING DAY. :mad:

Keep them.

I agree that eliminating the post count would curb some of the whoring. I don't think it would solve all of AFs problems. I am all for it if it will help the site, but it might also drive people away from AF causing the site to close down from lack of interest or of new content. My vote would be to eliminate the post count. I just don't think its fair to point the finger at members here or certain groups AF village idiots as Taranaki would rather call them. Must I be the one to remind every one that this is and always will just be a message board. Sometimes we forget that that is all it is and maybe if we start taking it too seriously maybe we need to turn off our computer and go outside and get some sun. I hope this doesn't change anyone's opinion about me, but if it does I hope its for the best. :)

Well, I have already voiced my opinion on the matter. But I would like to add that I just got done d/ling a video at around 170-200k/sec and then I got on AF when I finished and it took 3 min to load the first forums page, and about as long agian to load the Nissan forum page.....:mad:

I have read most of the replies in this thread. I personally think it's pretty sad that post count has become a major issue. When I first came to AF the board (OT) had a steady flow and topics moved at a decent rate of speed. Then we got flooded with new people that came and went, "postwhoring" became rampant, comments were made, people got offended and left/came back/left again, and things in general got out of hand. After the "storm" everyone seems to be laying low and topics don't move as quickly and people don't post as much. And it is hard to post when no one else is posting. My guess is everyone is posting in the particular car forums. I don;t personally except for the Neon forum because that is the only kind of car I have any real knowledge of. I hope that with being able to get your avatar from the start would change things for the better as far as "useless" posts go....and I think we all are guilty of a few of those...myself included.

I thought the post count was good before as far as seeing who is a regular on the boards....length of membership doesn't mean anything. I registered in August of 2001 but never posted til October. But then it started becoming a contest or an issue of who had how many posts and what not. So I voted to keep the post count in the profile but out of site on the main boards. I hope to someday soon see the boards back like they were when I first became active. Every board will have it's moments and members who abuse the policies. I think if we all post intelligent material, that would encourage newer users to do so as well. I still enjoy the joke threads or "funny pic of the day" type stuff too.

That is my $0.02.

Well the prize for best articulating the issues goes to Katwoman, I reckon. :) Anyway, who makes a decision about it, and when? So we can close the thread and talk about good stuff instead :p

Yeah I agree with Moondog. Opinions have been voiced, removing the count probably won't change anything.

Lets move along.:D

Yea, what's really the point of losing them? I like the idea of having people higher up on the post chain. It's good for choosing new moderators. I have been here since the start, but I never post. I would like to know that if I were a new person looking for questions about the site, etc.

Originally posted by D16 V-TEC
Keep them, it's nice to have a general idea of who knows what they are talking about. Especially for the new kids.

Dafoo...it seems that your argument was covered on page 1.

No disrespect to anybody's opinions,but I think that we have more than adequately covered all of the angles to this argument....battering away at it will not solve anything.Whilst I have the option to close this thread off,I would rather see it slide down the board into the oblivion that lies beyond page 1.:sun:

Originally posted by Moppie
Its interesting to note that this disccusion seems to revolve alot around the happenings in both OT forums.
But please remember that there is a lot more to AF than the OT forums, and they are only included for somewhere to discuss things non-automotive as a break from talking about cars.


If your really worried about the whoring and lack of maturity in the PH OT forum then the most efficant and effective way to end it is to remove all the OT forums.
The whore's are not here to get bigger post counts, they are here because they have nothing else to do.
They have simply found somewhere to act out thier boredom, and post counts happen to be something easy for them to worry about. Remove the post counts and they will not stop, they will just find something else to make a fuss over.


I'll be honest and say, that once, that was me.

Now, there is a surprising amount of insight here, mainly because I'm so young, much seems insightful. Anyways, there's lots in the OT forums worth just reading aobut, but there is also lots of BS to sort through.


To answer your question Taranki, IMO do whatever you feel will solve the problem. You have my support to remove them.

I say bin them completely. As stated before by moondog time on the boards has more credibility than someone merely posting for the sake of it. Yea before someone says something I've been there done that. Now I come on just once in a great while mostly checking the areas where I can assist people who are questioning Skylines.

Keep them... it won't change a thing if we remove them... That's my opinion...