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what do you guys think about the 02`Jetta GLS 1.8T and the 03`Eclipse GTS? how do they respond to mods? are they worth the price (not that expensive, but when you're poor like me.... :( ) and how do they compare to the integra type R? thats all, thanks guys!Report Post (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/report.php?p=3188218) | IP: Logged (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/postings.php?do=getip&p=3188218)

Um, an ITR? They're both left well behind by the ITR, the ITR is a legend, possibly the best FWD car ever made.

though the VW 1.8T has a big aftermarket, just watch out for the ignition coils though, VW North America refuse to issue a recall for them AFAIK.

But the Jetta'll be more reliable than an Eclipse, Mitsubishi = bottom barrel reliability from a bottom-barrel company.

yes ITRs are great but expensive i've been told to get a GSR instead, because of the compression ratios, what do you think?

eclipse GTS is a heavy, slow 2door version of the galant

however it does have one saving grace. the engine.
it uses the same basic block as the 3000GT so can handle lots of boost. you will have to get turbo pistons and rods though but after that it is very turbofriendly.


the VW/Audi 1.8t is a fine engine for driving, but you will always want more top end power. the turbo is so small it functions more like a supercharger, providing lots of boost down low, basically 0 turbo lag, and very slow top end. the power/torque curves are very flat.


and yes, both cars are definitely NOT in the class with the integra type R

i would say they are not worth the $$$

go spend the same 18-20k on a practically new 2001 integra type R, turbo it with 6 psi and run 13s all day long

additions: the 1.8T is quite tunable but requires LOTS of $$$ to get any real effect.

integra GSR is also better than both the VW and mitsu

what are your goals/purposes for this car? that would help a lot in determining the right one.

for instance, a 1991-1993 sentra SE-R is way cheaper than a GSR and only a half-baby step below it performance wise. actually id say even because the SR20 is soooo nice when turbo'd

what do you guys think about the 02`Jetta GLS 1.8T and the 03`Eclipse GTS? how do they respond to mods? are they worth the price (not that expensive, but when you're poor like me.... :( ) and how do they compare to the integra type R? thats all, thanks guys!Report Post (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/report.php?p=3188218) | IP: Logged (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/postings.php?do=getip&p=3188218)

The Jetta and Eclipse are no where close in comparison with the Integra Type-R.

Go and look for a '98-'01 Integra GSR and put mods into that, it will be faster than both Eclipse and Jetta.

If you want a turbo go with the Jetta, if you don't get the Integra. The Jetta is already turbocharged so it would be easier to upgrade in that respect. The integra really isn't made for a turbo and for most people turbocharging a NA car isn't really an option. The integra was made to be NA. As for the Eclipse...Don't even bother with it if its the newer ones. They are nothing like the older ones. There isn't much you an do affordably with that car. For me I would vote the Jetta only because I think they are nicer. The integra is good but its older and don't have all the bells and whistles that the VW has.

Want a turbo motor to make lots of power to go drag racing with? Get the Jetta 1.8T or GTI 1.8T. Want a lightweight, N/A car that handles incredibly well? Get the Integra Type R (or GS-R if you can't afford the Type R).

but still ITRs and GSRs can be tunned to have lots of power. I've seen GSRs kicking 410hp

Thats not really typical and its not really just a tune up. 410 HP out of an already tweaked motor is alot of work. It can be done but its not really practical.

yeah its all about the time and money you'll expend on the car. but just cause it handles great doesnt mean that it lacks power, rigth?

Nah, I wouldn't say that the GS-R lacks power. And by the way, don't fall for the ricer myth of buying a GS-R, "slapping on" a turbo, and making 250 horsepower. If you "slap on" a turbo to a high-compression motor like that, not even taking into the account how it'll interact with the valve timing, you're going to destroy your engine very quickly. If you want a turbo Integra, your best bet is to just buy a cheap LS model and turbocharge that.

I didn't know that thanks for the input bro

No problem. Integras really aren't made for big power. I dunno if you've ever seen a 400+ horsepower FWD car at the drag strip, but I have, and those things are crazy hard to launch properly. If, say, 200 horsepower is enough for you, though, the Integra GS-R can make that easily.

nah 200hp isn't enough, you know what is all about when it comes to rides, you're always looking for more.......what about the SRT-4?, its turbo'd and 215hp stock.

SRT4 is alright, I have been in one of them a few times. Interior I think was built by rubbermaid. Bland and grey in the few I have been in, seats were pretty cool though. If you are looking for a new car I would recomend that over the others. Its certainly faster than them. Its already turbocharged so you don't need to worry as much about the motor breaking under boost. Still has all the characteristics of all high power FWD vehicals though.

nah 200hp isn't enough, you know what is all about when it comes to rides, you're always looking for more.......what about the SRT-4?, its turbo'd and 215hp stock.

If you want much more than that, then you shouldn't be looking at FWD vehicles, unless you're willing to do some serious suspension and LSD tuning.

RWD like which ones?
The ones I know of are either too old or too expensive.

How much do you want to spend and what years are you looking for?

like 10k and the year 2000 and up

Thats going to be tough finding something RWD and 2000+ for 10000. You may be able to find a Gt mustang for that (don't know if you are really interested) a long shot would be an Fbody. If you go AWD you could find a Subaru WRX, jetta or something.

whats an :confused:Fbody? I'm kinda new at this

F body is a Camaro or Firebird

2000 and up, ten grand...your best bet is a '99-'04 Mustang GT. You might get lucky and find one for ten grand. I really, really doubt you'll find a V8-powered Camaro or Firebird from those years for that kind of money, but you can always go with the V6, which is still plenty quick for the money.

get a 1997-98 nissan 240sx

8k or 9k for a lightweight, RWD, nice looking, reliable, decently fast car that will outhandle any mustang/fbody, plus you can build the stock motor pretty quick or swap a turbo engine and run very quick

A 240SX is a nice car don't get me wrong but it dosn't really fit his bill. He wanted a 2000+ and said that 200 hp wasnt enough. 155 HP will surely not be enough if 200 wasn't enough. In stock form its not really a superior performer, I don't bring modifications into this because with modification you can make nearly any car match any other car.

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get a 1997-98 nissan 240sx

8k or 9k for a lightweight, RWD, nice looking, reliable, decently fast car that will outhandle any mustang/fbody, plus you can build the stock motor pretty quick or swap a turbo engine and run very quick

what makes you so sure that the 240SX will out handle a 2000+ F-Body???

if low 16's is decently fast, then that RSX Type-S that passed me on the highway tonight must have been a friggin rocketship.

8k or 9k for a lightweight, RWD, nice looking, reliable, decently fast car that will outhandle any mustang/fbody, plus you can build the stock motor pretty quick or swap a turbo engine and run very quick

You're out of your mind if you think a 240SX will outhandle a 4th gen. F-Body. It may feel like it is, and it may be more balanced, but the F-Body simply has more lateral grip to work with than the S13 or S14.

go with an old twin turbo supra IMO....good handling+turbo whoosh+modablity=cheap fast car.....

i think a 240sx would be a good purchase.....definitely would get raped by a z28 in the twisties and on the drag strip...but would be cheaper and you would have a much easier time modding a 240sx than a mustang, F-body, and GTi with the money left over....but if you have a enough money and get an SR20DET in that thing....look out....

go with an old twin turbo supra IMO....good handling+turbo whoosh+modablity=cheap fast car.....

how old? what year?

anything before 1993 because that's when the sleek bodies came out and everybody wants one of those so you would never find one for under 10k...and definitely a turbo one with not many miles....and you should find one that is stock because those older supras that have been hammered on are a recipe for disaster.... :bloated:....you should definitely check outwww.autotrader.com (http://)...if you need any more help let me know....i have alot experience with twin turbos because my 300zx is one...even though it's quite a bit different than the supras they both have the same problems from what i've heard..... :slap:

dude check yahoo autos, look for a supra in there I found some 94-98 Twin Turbo for less than 10k, it says best offer but yahoo is'nt like ebay so price wont go that high, I could be wrong though, here's the link
http://used-cars.autos.yahoo.com/usedcars/search.html?make=TOYOTA&model=SUPRA&cl_y=&ch_y=&cl_price=&ch_price=&cl_mi=&ch_mi=&ck=&gur=any&csz=77055&vtype=autos&mk=Toyota&mo=Supra

hmm...Supra Twin Turbo for $10k??? good luck with finding one worth driving for that...

....i have alot experience with twin turbos because my 300zx is one...even though it's quite a bit different than the supras they both have the same problems from what i've heard..... :slap:
wheres your gills??? maybe i just cant tell from the picture... but if you dont have them i would get something done, your intercoolers arent getting any airflow.

yeah there must be something wrong, its weird, but it never hurts to find out, look at this one>

http://used-cars.autos.yahoo.com/usedcars/detail/index.html?cid=automobiles-1118194939-1341843&dst=818.26&rsr=bWFrZT1UT1lPVEEmbW9kZWw9U1VQUkEmY2xfeT0xOTkzJm NoX3k9MTk5MyZjbF9wcmljZT0mY2hfcHJpY2U9MTUwMDAmY2xf bWk9JmNoX21pPSZjaz0mZ3VyPWFueSZjc3o9NzcwNTUmdnR5cG U9YXV0b3MmbWs9VG95b3RhJm1vPVN1cHJh

You can check but I doubt you will be finding an acceptable supra turbo for any price that you would consider reasonable.

5500!!!!! holy shiat!!! i almost am thinking about buying it....i wonder what's wrong with it...it's got 200 more horsepower than i have...:(

ok, false alarm, I called the owner, he checked the add, and says he missed a "3" before the "5500", so orignal price is 35,500:mad: I knew it, too good to be true!
what kind of Q@#$@ does a mistake like that!!??

ok, false alarm, I called the owner, he checked the add, and says he missed a "3" before the "5500", so orignal price is 35,500:mad: I knew it, too good to be true!
what kind of Q@#$@ does a mistake like that!!??

yeah i would say so...i wouldnt expect to get a good conidition supra TT for less than high teens if your lucky. but more than likely your gonna spend about $25k.

I don't recommend getting a supra. There is something wrong with it if you can afford it. People wouldn't be selling them for 30 if you could buy the same car for 5. I still recommend the cars in my previous post, if you were looking for a newer car I doubt you are really into doing motor swaps and serious modification. Its not as easy as some would have you believe to put a different motor into a car, or easy to add a turbo to a non turbo car and have satisfactory results. Keep it simple and get a car thats already got what you want and go from there. I have friends that bit off more than they could chew with motor swaps it gets pricey fast.

I know what you mean, but think about it, it doesn't matter if its something wrong with the car, well as long as it is nothing too serious, say you spend like 3k to 5k to put it back on the street, so an 8k-10k supra would be a sweet deal, I repeat, as long as the problem is not that serious.

If you buy a twin turbo Supra for 10K, odds are that you're going to need to spend a LOT more than 3K to get it running. If it were any decent shape at all, it'd be selling for over 20K. I wouldn't buy a twin turbo 4th gen. Supra unless you're willing to spend about 25 grand. In fact, I wouldn't buy one, period. It's way overpriced because of The Fast and The Furious. If you want a RWD, twin turbo monster, just get the 300ZX twin turbo instead, or if you can find one, a '93-'95 Mazda RX-7 twin turbo.

I would definately recomend the 300ZX or the RX7 over the supra because of the price but thats not to say you are getting a bargain. You will still spend 10-15 for them and they are over 10 years old. The RX7 is not the easiest thing to keep on the road either. If I had to choose between the two I would go with the Nissan for practicality, less likely to break down than the rx7 and far more affordable than the Supra. (If I had to choose between a Supra RX7 or 300ZX I would take the RX7 its my favorite even though I wouldn't buy one)

i agree...if you reallly want a twin turbo then you should go with a 300zx....because they're the best!!! :bananasmi

I agree with you all, you don't have to be that smart to know that a 5.5k supra is not in good shape, and why is a 4gen not good? A friend of my dad who lives in Italy sold his 93' supra completely modified for about 10k here in the states (yes, he shipped the car from there) because of the high import duties (more than 80% of the market price of the vehicle), it was a show car and I know it was in good shape, maybe he is an idiot or maybe he just doesn't know its value here in the US. So you can find people like that and take advantage. Anyway, that is not likely to happen often, so...ok, now back to reality, like how much would a TT 300ZX cost and what is a good year range?

Well, when did he sell the Supra? Before The Fast and The Furious came out (I think it came out in late 2001), the Supra TT wasn't all hyped up, and a '93 twin turbo would probably go for about $10,000. As for 300ZX prices, depends who you ask. The 300ZX guys will claim that you can find a running TT for five grand, but those are very few and far between. Expect to spend at least ten grand for one in good shape, I say. And yeah, forget about the RX-7, unless you have a lot of cash to maintain it. It's my favorite twin turbo car released in the States, but it's just too expensive and impractical for most.

wow 10 Gs?!, but that is if I search hard enough 'cause I saw some from 20k to 30k, one was even 55k! besides stock 300ZX would be harder to get, what about getting a wrecked car and fix it?

once again depends on how much money and time you are willing to spend....if you're going to have this car for a long time then you could spend more money and time getting it back on the street...

I'll keep my eyes open for a 300ZX? But if I go FWD, how about the SRT-4?,with some work at front suspension it can get a nice grip

The SRT-4 has got plenty of grip, and the stock tires, suspension, and LSD are up to the job. However, once you start adding power to it (and it's really cheap and easy to do, 400 horsepower is no problem for that car), the FWD will become a big liability. I know countless people who've bought an SRT-4, tuned it up, and then sold it to get a Camaro Z28, Mustang SVT Cobra, or Lancer Evolution, because they got sick of the front-wheel-drive. So, you may want to cut to the chase and just get a RWD car from the get-go. Again, the SRT-4's handling is just fine if you don't touch the engine, but as a serious drag racer, I don't think it's such a great choice.

but the prices on those cars are way more than the price of a SRT-4, besides I guess I wont be going above 400hp

but the prices on those cars are way more than the price of a SRT-4, besides I guess I wont be going above 400hp

Not really. An '03 SRT-4 costs about $15,000. An '04, which comes with an LSD and reworked ECU, costs about $18,000. You could certainly find a good Camaro Z28 or 300ZX Twin Turbo for that price; they'd just be a bit older. Oh yeah, and I didn't mean that the SRT-4 will handle well before 400 horsepower, and poorly after 400 horsepower. As soon as you add any power to it at all, the front tires are going to start going up in smoke more on hard corner exits, and it'll get worse the more power you add. If you want a good handling SRT-4, don't touch the engine at all, and just work on the suspension and chassis.

what about putting better front tires, stiff shocks in the rear, good clutch, and traction bars and braces on the SRT-4?

All that can help but it can't really get away from the inherant characteristics of FWD. Its always going to have its shortcomings and its advantages. You can do what you can to help it manage the wheel spin but its all just more money to try to make it perform when the other cars would already have been a step ahead from the factory.

yeah I agree with you