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Jay!
07-17-2001, 04:23 AM
I've decided to transplant this conversation from this thread (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=3366), because it's mostly about Nissan's SR engines in Silvia-type applications.
Posted by morpheusxiii on 07-06-2001 03:16 AM:
Oh and just food for thought, Silver S2K, the S2000 that ran in "Race Wars" MUST have been powered by an SR20. Remember that scene when the biker gang's lead demanded "a couple of Nissan SR20s" from the man who was 'oiled' in the garage? His S2K was lacking a motor. Nissan powered Honda... interesting, no?
Posted by Silver S2000 on 07-06-2001 04:05 PM:
Interesting, yes. But the only cars I saw without engines were Civics and Integras. Even so, would that type of cross-make swap require a ridiculous amount of re-engineering? I've always heard that Honda engines run the other direction (clockwise v. counterclockwise) from almost all other engines. So they'd have to make all the Nissan drive train fit, right? But they only asked for the engines. As for the S2000 … how could they fit an SR20 to a FR drive setup? Does Nissan use it for FR ever?
Posted by morpheusxiii on 07-07-2001 04:35 AM:
--Silver S2000
Hmm... not to be demeaning, but Nissan uses the SR20 for the majority of its well-known autos like the Silvia, or 180SX. The SR20DET was initially designed for front-mounted, rear wheel-drive chassis, succeeding the CA18DET. Therefore, fitting an SR20 into an S2000 would be a piece of cake. But why would anybody? The S2000's Honda F20C is a wonder in itself--no point in jacking around with a good thing...
Posted by Silver S2000 on 07-07-2001 10:28 PM:
No sweat, man. The cars that I associate with the SR are the Sentra SE-R, G20, and (U.S.) 200SX. (They're all FF, right?) I guess I had always assumed that all the Silvias were KAs. I guess I better go read more about Nissans...
Posted by morpheusxiii on 07-08-2001 05:48 PM:
SEE?! This is precisely what Nissan enthusiasts are always jabbering about... Such ignorance from the heads at Nissan for not allowing the 240SX to have the SR. Too many still don't know about the S13/14s great potential in becoming a powerful all around sports car.
Food for thought: IF the U.S.'s 240SX did get the SR20DET, would the name remain to be the same? It would then have to be called 200SX (as in the U.K.) but that would clash with the other 200SX. Hypothetically, it would probably be too weird to bring the S15 here, powered by an SR20, and call it the 200SX. The '95+ 200SX would still be in the public's memory (or not, considering how low sales were).
What would you call the S15 (besides Silvia), if it made it here?
Posted by Silver S2000 on 07-08-2001 07:00 PM:
So the KA engine is N.America only? That's pretty dumb! I went back and consulted my J-spec source (GT2) and yeah, they do say that every Silvia had some type of SR.
My question is... How hard is it to convert a U.S.-spec 240SX with the KA to a J-spec Silvia with an SR, especially an SR20DET? Can you even get an SR20DET around here? Does the stuff bolt right in, or did they totally screw up the guts of the car when they sold it here?
While Nissan may know how to build cars well, they sure don't know how to sell them well.
Posted by morpheusxiii on 07-09-2001 03:07 AM:
And the answer is: the KA24DE/SR20DET swap is one of the easiest to perform, simply because the engine/tranny combo was originally designed FOR the S13/14s. The number of shops that will do this transplant (and availability of parts) is growing, due to the increasing demand for original J-spec parts in North America (a.k.a. JDM--I hate this acronym).
Enthusiasts seem to be FINALLY moving away from the NADM (hah, I just made that term up right now!) "import scene", and are actually beginning to obtain more and more genuine parts from the land of the rising sun.
Getting back to the case of the missing engine, the SR bolts in with fair ease. The only difficult tasks include rewiring the ECU, and clearing/relocating a few engine components to make room for the steering column. However both of these custom chores aren't really all that hard. Prices for the job can range from $2000-$5000 (depending on the SR's year, mileage, with/w/o installation, included pieces), most generally including the used motor with low-fair mileage, factory turbo, and SR wiring harness (which needs to be adapted to the KA's, as mentioned above).
I, for one, give this modification the thumbs-up simply because of the high power yield and excellent future potential (SR20DET blocks are nearly bulletproof from the factory), for the cost of an average turbocharger kit.
When I thought about getting my next car, the 240SX seemed like an appropriate candidate, but I was dissuaded when I compared its performance figures with my other two choices.
So, now I want to know more about putting an SR20DE or SR20DET into a U.S.-spec 240SX to build a Silvia. I'd like to know the legal implications, which were briefly mentioned here: Do they exist? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=3201). And I'd like to know how economically feasible it is. Above, morpheusxiii ballparks the price of an engine swap at $2K-5K, but that's a wide range. I was looking for a price range for the whole car of about $10K. This means I'd have to get an S13 instead of an S14, but if I got a newer engine, I might feel better about it. :D Also, I wouldn't mind some of the newer Nissan body parts and taillights that morpheusxiii posted here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=3106).
FYI, Auto Trader (www.autotrader.com) quotes the following retail prices for recent U.S. 240SXs:
S13: 1992 Nissan 240 SX SE 2-Door Coupe (http://www015.decisionguide.autotrader.com/pl/system/pl.qanda;QivQGAww6t7wzjQPNSnIuvJ1bZaW4l2JLT_I7gm1u USxTr17C0fLt1twm5Bjs1j4JS_CIewXvBuAAFBvUmFItSYpfD&YjLAsCc3q$W2R6wO55tJqnJ9FwS2C9TqZ7_OVSkT8dyiAHQJCV ealtM$6ILXC_BSNa8AMM9QbANnpHysYltUfhcVckCzI1X8YSiR KmfZ642RSrzp01lIzQN9iIKaonU6AW6aK405kIelrrwh9mNpu4 80c1yBWXC$Zn_cjQpXNFI0ZzBmdoVBGhJ9y9SfBj2HA7$J9iV_ 5EQ3Q3VZa6mOJ_8wARDhvjLVIenFK8RevD0jzJA) - $4,310 - $7,430
S14 Type I: 1995 Nissan 240SX SE 2-Door Coupe (http://www015.decisionguide.autotrader.com/pl/system/pl.qanda;QivQGAww6t7wzjQPNSnIuvJ1bZaW4l2JLT_I7gm1u USxTr17C0fLt1twm5Bjs1j4JS_CIewXvBuAAFBvUmFItSYpfD&YjLAsCczq$X2R6wO55sNqnJ9FwSyC9SqZ7_OVSkT8dyiAHQJCV ealtM$6ILXC_BSNa8AMM9QbANnpHysYltUfhcVckCzI1X8YSiR KmfZ642RSrzp01lIzQN9iIKaonU6AW6aK405kIelrrwh9mNpu4 80c1yBWXC$Zn_cjQpXNFI0ZzBmdoVBGhJ9y9SfBj2HA7$J9iV_ 5EQ3Q3VZa6mOJ_8wARDhvjLVIenFK$RevD0h7JA) - $8,470 - $11,170
S14 Type II: 1998 Nissan 240SX SE 2-Door Coupe (http://www015.decisionguide.autotrader.com/pl/system/pl.qanda;QivQGAww6t7wzjQPNSnIuvJ1bZaW4l2JLT_I7gm1u USxTr17C0fLt1twm5Bjs1j4JS_CIewXvBuAAFBvUmFItSYpfD&YjLAsCc3q$W2R6wO55sJqnJ9FwS2S9SqZ7_OVSkT8dyiAHQJCV ealtM$6ILXC_BSNa8AMM9QbANnpHysYltUfhcVckCzI1X8YSiR KmfZ642RSrzp01lIzQN9iIKaonU6AW6aK405kIelrrwh9mNpu4 80c1yBWXC$Zn_cjQpXNFI0ZzBmdoVBGhJ9y9SfBj2HA7$J9iV_ 5EQ3Q3VZa6mOJ_8wARDhvjLVIenFK$R$vj0hzpA) - $17,125 - $18,175
Anybody have personal experience with engine swaps of any kind? What other questions do I need to ask?
Posted by morpheusxiii on 07-06-2001 03:16 AM:
Oh and just food for thought, Silver S2K, the S2000 that ran in "Race Wars" MUST have been powered by an SR20. Remember that scene when the biker gang's lead demanded "a couple of Nissan SR20s" from the man who was 'oiled' in the garage? His S2K was lacking a motor. Nissan powered Honda... interesting, no?
Posted by Silver S2000 on 07-06-2001 04:05 PM:
Interesting, yes. But the only cars I saw without engines were Civics and Integras. Even so, would that type of cross-make swap require a ridiculous amount of re-engineering? I've always heard that Honda engines run the other direction (clockwise v. counterclockwise) from almost all other engines. So they'd have to make all the Nissan drive train fit, right? But they only asked for the engines. As for the S2000 … how could they fit an SR20 to a FR drive setup? Does Nissan use it for FR ever?
Posted by morpheusxiii on 07-07-2001 04:35 AM:
--Silver S2000
Hmm... not to be demeaning, but Nissan uses the SR20 for the majority of its well-known autos like the Silvia, or 180SX. The SR20DET was initially designed for front-mounted, rear wheel-drive chassis, succeeding the CA18DET. Therefore, fitting an SR20 into an S2000 would be a piece of cake. But why would anybody? The S2000's Honda F20C is a wonder in itself--no point in jacking around with a good thing...
Posted by Silver S2000 on 07-07-2001 10:28 PM:
No sweat, man. The cars that I associate with the SR are the Sentra SE-R, G20, and (U.S.) 200SX. (They're all FF, right?) I guess I had always assumed that all the Silvias were KAs. I guess I better go read more about Nissans...
Posted by morpheusxiii on 07-08-2001 05:48 PM:
SEE?! This is precisely what Nissan enthusiasts are always jabbering about... Such ignorance from the heads at Nissan for not allowing the 240SX to have the SR. Too many still don't know about the S13/14s great potential in becoming a powerful all around sports car.
Food for thought: IF the U.S.'s 240SX did get the SR20DET, would the name remain to be the same? It would then have to be called 200SX (as in the U.K.) but that would clash with the other 200SX. Hypothetically, it would probably be too weird to bring the S15 here, powered by an SR20, and call it the 200SX. The '95+ 200SX would still be in the public's memory (or not, considering how low sales were).
What would you call the S15 (besides Silvia), if it made it here?
Posted by Silver S2000 on 07-08-2001 07:00 PM:
So the KA engine is N.America only? That's pretty dumb! I went back and consulted my J-spec source (GT2) and yeah, they do say that every Silvia had some type of SR.
My question is... How hard is it to convert a U.S.-spec 240SX with the KA to a J-spec Silvia with an SR, especially an SR20DET? Can you even get an SR20DET around here? Does the stuff bolt right in, or did they totally screw up the guts of the car when they sold it here?
While Nissan may know how to build cars well, they sure don't know how to sell them well.
Posted by morpheusxiii on 07-09-2001 03:07 AM:
And the answer is: the KA24DE/SR20DET swap is one of the easiest to perform, simply because the engine/tranny combo was originally designed FOR the S13/14s. The number of shops that will do this transplant (and availability of parts) is growing, due to the increasing demand for original J-spec parts in North America (a.k.a. JDM--I hate this acronym).
Enthusiasts seem to be FINALLY moving away from the NADM (hah, I just made that term up right now!) "import scene", and are actually beginning to obtain more and more genuine parts from the land of the rising sun.
Getting back to the case of the missing engine, the SR bolts in with fair ease. The only difficult tasks include rewiring the ECU, and clearing/relocating a few engine components to make room for the steering column. However both of these custom chores aren't really all that hard. Prices for the job can range from $2000-$5000 (depending on the SR's year, mileage, with/w/o installation, included pieces), most generally including the used motor with low-fair mileage, factory turbo, and SR wiring harness (which needs to be adapted to the KA's, as mentioned above).
I, for one, give this modification the thumbs-up simply because of the high power yield and excellent future potential (SR20DET blocks are nearly bulletproof from the factory), for the cost of an average turbocharger kit.
When I thought about getting my next car, the 240SX seemed like an appropriate candidate, but I was dissuaded when I compared its performance figures with my other two choices.
So, now I want to know more about putting an SR20DE or SR20DET into a U.S.-spec 240SX to build a Silvia. I'd like to know the legal implications, which were briefly mentioned here: Do they exist? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=3201). And I'd like to know how economically feasible it is. Above, morpheusxiii ballparks the price of an engine swap at $2K-5K, but that's a wide range. I was looking for a price range for the whole car of about $10K. This means I'd have to get an S13 instead of an S14, but if I got a newer engine, I might feel better about it. :D Also, I wouldn't mind some of the newer Nissan body parts and taillights that morpheusxiii posted here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=3106).
FYI, Auto Trader (www.autotrader.com) quotes the following retail prices for recent U.S. 240SXs:
S13: 1992 Nissan 240 SX SE 2-Door Coupe (http://www015.decisionguide.autotrader.com/pl/system/pl.qanda;QivQGAww6t7wzjQPNSnIuvJ1bZaW4l2JLT_I7gm1u USxTr17C0fLt1twm5Bjs1j4JS_CIewXvBuAAFBvUmFItSYpfD&YjLAsCc3q$W2R6wO55tJqnJ9FwS2C9TqZ7_OVSkT8dyiAHQJCV ealtM$6ILXC_BSNa8AMM9QbANnpHysYltUfhcVckCzI1X8YSiR KmfZ642RSrzp01lIzQN9iIKaonU6AW6aK405kIelrrwh9mNpu4 80c1yBWXC$Zn_cjQpXNFI0ZzBmdoVBGhJ9y9SfBj2HA7$J9iV_ 5EQ3Q3VZa6mOJ_8wARDhvjLVIenFK8RevD0jzJA) - $4,310 - $7,430
S14 Type I: 1995 Nissan 240SX SE 2-Door Coupe (http://www015.decisionguide.autotrader.com/pl/system/pl.qanda;QivQGAww6t7wzjQPNSnIuvJ1bZaW4l2JLT_I7gm1u USxTr17C0fLt1twm5Bjs1j4JS_CIewXvBuAAFBvUmFItSYpfD&YjLAsCczq$X2R6wO55sNqnJ9FwSyC9SqZ7_OVSkT8dyiAHQJCV ealtM$6ILXC_BSNa8AMM9QbANnpHysYltUfhcVckCzI1X8YSiR KmfZ642RSrzp01lIzQN9iIKaonU6AW6aK405kIelrrwh9mNpu4 80c1yBWXC$Zn_cjQpXNFI0ZzBmdoVBGhJ9y9SfBj2HA7$J9iV_ 5EQ3Q3VZa6mOJ_8wARDhvjLVIenFK$RevD0h7JA) - $8,470 - $11,170
S14 Type II: 1998 Nissan 240SX SE 2-Door Coupe (http://www015.decisionguide.autotrader.com/pl/system/pl.qanda;QivQGAww6t7wzjQPNSnIuvJ1bZaW4l2JLT_I7gm1u USxTr17C0fLt1twm5Bjs1j4JS_CIewXvBuAAFBvUmFItSYpfD&YjLAsCc3q$W2R6wO55sJqnJ9FwS2S9SqZ7_OVSkT8dyiAHQJCV ealtM$6ILXC_BSNa8AMM9QbANnpHysYltUfhcVckCzI1X8YSiR KmfZ642RSrzp01lIzQN9iIKaonU6AW6aK405kIelrrwh9mNpu4 80c1yBWXC$Zn_cjQpXNFI0ZzBmdoVBGhJ9y9SfBj2HA7$J9iV_ 5EQ3Q3VZa6mOJ_8wARDhvjLVIenFK$R$vj0hzpA) - $17,125 - $18,175
Anybody have personal experience with engine swaps of any kind? What other questions do I need to ask?
Morpheus XIII
08-03-2001, 06:06 AM
PLEASE PLEASE!!! Someone else respond but ME!!! I TOO wish to hear others' thoughts and experiences concerning U.S. 240SXs!
Alright, I know there are dedicated 240SX sites dicussing such matters, but I am in dire wanting of fresh ideas and insight. My $2K-5K SR20DET ballpark is ultimately determined by the age/quality and inclusive parts of the engine, as well as whether or not it is installed yourself. I've witnessed premiere year SRs with ~30K miles without labor for $3000. I've witnessed '89 240SXs for $1800 (but who cares about the KAs high mileage or outdated body panels, right?). Search hard, you'll find your treasures.
As for using a J-spec Silvia SR20DE (without the "T") in a 240SX, that would be a waste of time and effort since they are even harder to find than the turbocharged counterparts in the States (plus they lack the factory Nismo pistons that the DETs include). The U.S. SR20DE from the SE-R Sentras, 200SXs, NXs, etc. won't simply run in a 240SX since the S13-15s require specific rear wheel-drive transmissions which the above mentioned vehicles do not provide. You cannot use the KA24E/KA24DE tranny or even the J-spec SR tranny on the U.S. SR20DE motor, without extensive and expensive modifications.
Therefore, the quickest and least expensive way to get that finely built 2.0 turbo 240SX running is to obtain that SR20DET from Japan. As for afterservice, there are numerous automotive technicians well capable of working with your new SR since the naturally aspirated version has been around for more than a decade. Emission understandings are still questionable but I've been told that "same-year" engine/chassis matches work the smoothest, since the corresponding OBD systems are used.
As always, good hunting and I will notify when I uncover additional data.
Alright, I know there are dedicated 240SX sites dicussing such matters, but I am in dire wanting of fresh ideas and insight. My $2K-5K SR20DET ballpark is ultimately determined by the age/quality and inclusive parts of the engine, as well as whether or not it is installed yourself. I've witnessed premiere year SRs with ~30K miles without labor for $3000. I've witnessed '89 240SXs for $1800 (but who cares about the KAs high mileage or outdated body panels, right?). Search hard, you'll find your treasures.
As for using a J-spec Silvia SR20DE (without the "T") in a 240SX, that would be a waste of time and effort since they are even harder to find than the turbocharged counterparts in the States (plus they lack the factory Nismo pistons that the DETs include). The U.S. SR20DE from the SE-R Sentras, 200SXs, NXs, etc. won't simply run in a 240SX since the S13-15s require specific rear wheel-drive transmissions which the above mentioned vehicles do not provide. You cannot use the KA24E/KA24DE tranny or even the J-spec SR tranny on the U.S. SR20DE motor, without extensive and expensive modifications.
Therefore, the quickest and least expensive way to get that finely built 2.0 turbo 240SX running is to obtain that SR20DET from Japan. As for afterservice, there are numerous automotive technicians well capable of working with your new SR since the naturally aspirated version has been around for more than a decade. Emission understandings are still questionable but I've been told that "same-year" engine/chassis matches work the smoothest, since the corresponding OBD systems are used.
As always, good hunting and I will notify when I uncover additional data.
tristarx
10-30-2001, 03:31 PM
The cost to do the transplant including labor and motor will run about $5k average. Since you guys are all in SoCal, SR20 Performance in West Covina can do the transplant for about $1500 labor but you must provide all engine/motor parts to them.
Whether you want custom piping, valve springs, front mounted intercooler, price will vary.
There are many transplants already done so it's nothing new.
We will be carrying alot of SR20 parts in the near future.
Whether you want custom piping, valve springs, front mounted intercooler, price will vary.
There are many transplants already done so it's nothing new.
We will be carrying alot of SR20 parts in the near future.
Twist
10-30-2001, 07:25 PM
How legal is the SR20DET? Morpheus mentioned emmisions difficulties? Is this a problem outside of California?
Jay!
10-31-2001, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by Twist
How legal is the SR20DET? Morpheus mentioned emmisions difficulties? Is this a problem outside of California? :( :cry:
How legal is the SR20DET? Morpheus mentioned emmisions difficulties? Is this a problem outside of California? :( :cry:
tristarx
10-31-2001, 02:03 PM
Putting in a SR20DET will not pass emissions. Try to renew your registration tag before you do the transplant. That way you have a leeway for 2 years w/o worrying about smog.
Twist
10-31-2001, 03:39 PM
What about outside of CA?
tristarx
10-31-2001, 05:02 PM
Same things apply to other States. Except to states where there's no smog law's, then you can do whatever you want to your car.
Morpheus XIII
11-07-2001, 06:17 PM
I don't know about you Jay, but I want to move the heck outta here.
Strike888
11-10-2001, 11:19 AM
You mentioned the price for a transplant, but how bout the engine itself?
Super Street said the SR20DET is around $7000, is dat the price for one in average condition, or for one in great condition?
Super Street said the SR20DET is around $7000, is dat the price for one in average condition, or for one in great condition?
Jay!
11-10-2001, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Strike888
You mentioned the price for a transplant, but how bout the engine itself?
Super Street said the SR20DET is around $7000, is dat the price for one in average condition, or for one in great condition? I don't know. Our pals in the G20/Primera Forum are getting FWD SR20DETs for way less than that.
Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
I don't know about you Jay, but I want to move the heck outta here. :rolleyes: New Zealand looks nice. :coolguy: :sun:
You mentioned the price for a transplant, but how bout the engine itself?
Super Street said the SR20DET is around $7000, is dat the price for one in average condition, or for one in great condition? I don't know. Our pals in the G20/Primera Forum are getting FWD SR20DETs for way less than that.
Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
I don't know about you Jay, but I want to move the heck outta here. :rolleyes: New Zealand looks nice. :coolguy: :sun:
Twist
11-11-2001, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by tristarx
Same things apply to other States. Except to states where there's no smog law's, then you can do whatever you want to your car.
http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/contrib/ruinkai/FIREdevil.gif MUHAHAHAHA!!!!! I will have a Silvia!!!
On a seperate note:
I've found RWD SR20DET's for $4-5000. That includes installation.
Same things apply to other States. Except to states where there's no smog law's, then you can do whatever you want to your car.
http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/contrib/ruinkai/FIREdevil.gif MUHAHAHAHA!!!!! I will have a Silvia!!!
On a seperate note:
I've found RWD SR20DET's for $4-5000. That includes installation.
Morpheus XIII
11-13-2001, 06:02 AM
Aw, lucky bastard.
Twist
11-13-2001, 06:55 AM
Not quite. I still gotta buy the car, the engine, find some one to install it and a place to order all the other performance goodies like suspension, anti-sway bars, and the like. I'm still in concept mode, but it WILL happen! :cool:
91RedSilvia
11-16-2001, 07:18 PM
Hey everybody,
I'm new to this board but have been doing some real research into the SR20DET. I'm going to be buying the engine in probably 8 months or so and am lucky enough to know someone who will install it for free :)
Anyway, prices for the various engines should be around:
All RWD Engines w/Tranny no ECU because you should get one from Jim Wolf Technologies. Serious HP gains from their ECUs and they are not that much more...
Here you go:
S13 $2100
S14 $2700
S15 $3400
The shop that quoted me these prices said installation would be around $1200. It's worth noting that most people recommend getting an S13 as the starter unit, since you're putting a new engine anyway, you can save some upfront to put into the engine. Also, get a DOHC version S13 (91-94) because the engine is almost a direct bolt in for these. The 89-90 models will require re-routing of the power steering cables among other things.
Anyway, hello again to everyone, and let's see some more SR20DET 240s on the road!!
BTW, the lastest issue of Super Street has an awesome 180SX with the S15 silvia front end on it. Made me drool....
Later!
Justin
I'm new to this board but have been doing some real research into the SR20DET. I'm going to be buying the engine in probably 8 months or so and am lucky enough to know someone who will install it for free :)
Anyway, prices for the various engines should be around:
All RWD Engines w/Tranny no ECU because you should get one from Jim Wolf Technologies. Serious HP gains from their ECUs and they are not that much more...
Here you go:
S13 $2100
S14 $2700
S15 $3400
The shop that quoted me these prices said installation would be around $1200. It's worth noting that most people recommend getting an S13 as the starter unit, since you're putting a new engine anyway, you can save some upfront to put into the engine. Also, get a DOHC version S13 (91-94) because the engine is almost a direct bolt in for these. The 89-90 models will require re-routing of the power steering cables among other things.
Anyway, hello again to everyone, and let's see some more SR20DET 240s on the road!!
BTW, the lastest issue of Super Street has an awesome 180SX with the S15 silvia front end on it. Made me drool....
Later!
Justin
Strike888
11-16-2001, 11:51 PM
yeah it does!
too bad the skirts r all cut up from drifting
those crazy jap guys!
too bad the skirts r all cut up from drifting
those crazy jap guys!
Jay!
11-17-2001, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by 91RedSilvia
Hey everybody...Welcome to AF!!! :D :D :D
Anyone want to hear about your SR swap adventure? :wave: I do! ;)
Hey everybody...Welcome to AF!!! :D :D :D
Anyone want to hear about your SR swap adventure? :wave: I do! ;)
91RedSilvia
11-17-2001, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by jay@af
Welcome to AF!!! :D :D :D
Anyone want to hear about your SR swap adventure? :wave: I do! ;)
Well, you'll be the first to hear about it once I get some $$$ saved up and start buying stuff :alien:
Welcome to AF!!! :D :D :D
Anyone want to hear about your SR swap adventure? :wave: I do! ;)
Well, you'll be the first to hear about it once I get some $$$ saved up and start buying stuff :alien:
Strike888
11-18-2001, 10:21 PM
hey jay@af
is dat honda nsx model u'r working on a plastic model?
are the parts painted?
and is it a snap on kit?
is dat honda nsx model u'r working on a plastic model?
are the parts painted?
and is it a snap on kit?
Jay!
11-18-2001, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Strike888
hey jay@af
is dat honda nsx model u'r working on a plastic model?
are the parts painted?
and is it a snap on kit? Join us in Car Modeling (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f927/). Read about my NSX (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t7912.html). :flash:
hey jay@af
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are the parts painted?
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FCI Performance
11-27-2001, 02:52 AM
I have been looking into doing an s15 conversion on a s13 us-spec 240sx and here is what I have found.
sr20devlopment can get you an sr20det rear wheel drive with tranny for 1800 plus us shipping.
Of course you will need the JWT ECU which will run you 595.
JWT also suggests for a clean installation importing a non turbo silvia distributor. This is not necessary but will make the installation easier and will allow your car to be diagnosed like a reagular us-spec car. JWT carries these at a cost of $600. They did say that you could probably get it imported with the motor at a slightly smaller cost.
It is also suggested that you replace the rod bearings as well as the sr20det are prone to throwing bearings.
I would also go ahead and replace the clutch while your at it. ACT offers one that handles 360 ft/lbs of torque and 50% better hold that retails around 360.00.
An intercooler is also suggested as the US spec hood wont clear the stock top mount intercooler. Hotshot has a kit for a FMIC for the sr20det. They run about 1100 retail. You could replace the hood or install a scoop for clearance but you gain added performance with the fmic for the price of a new hood or hood scoop.
That should take care of the engine part. there are all sorts of lil things to do while doing the conversion that are covered in the Factory Repair Manual.
It is one of the easiest conversions to do. And with careful reading could probably be done by a weekend mechanic with good knowledge of cars.
sr20devlopment can get you an sr20det rear wheel drive with tranny for 1800 plus us shipping.
Of course you will need the JWT ECU which will run you 595.
JWT also suggests for a clean installation importing a non turbo silvia distributor. This is not necessary but will make the installation easier and will allow your car to be diagnosed like a reagular us-spec car. JWT carries these at a cost of $600. They did say that you could probably get it imported with the motor at a slightly smaller cost.
It is also suggested that you replace the rod bearings as well as the sr20det are prone to throwing bearings.
I would also go ahead and replace the clutch while your at it. ACT offers one that handles 360 ft/lbs of torque and 50% better hold that retails around 360.00.
An intercooler is also suggested as the US spec hood wont clear the stock top mount intercooler. Hotshot has a kit for a FMIC for the sr20det. They run about 1100 retail. You could replace the hood or install a scoop for clearance but you gain added performance with the fmic for the price of a new hood or hood scoop.
That should take care of the engine part. there are all sorts of lil things to do while doing the conversion that are covered in the Factory Repair Manual.
It is one of the easiest conversions to do. And with careful reading could probably be done by a weekend mechanic with good knowledge of cars.
Morpheus XIII
11-27-2001, 05:37 AM
Great information and welcome to the board. I too have heard that the JWT ECU is the simplest way to get around the incompatible ECU mess from factory parts. Cool deal.
91RedSilvia
11-27-2001, 07:28 AM
I thought the RWD SR20DET had a side-mount intercooler stock, and the FWD versions had the top-mount...
FCI Performance
11-27-2001, 10:31 AM
I think your right, though I thought some of the older ones were all top mount but I may be mistaken. But Im sure you would agree that it still would be well worth it to install an FMIC.
91RedSilvia
11-27-2001, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by FCI Performance
I think your right, though I thought some of the older ones were all top mount but I may be mistaken. But Im sure you would agree that it still would be well worth it to install an FMIC.
Oh, absolutey! But if you're running stock boost, you can go with the stock side mount and not have to worry about the hood. Just taking one complication out of an otherwise good equation... :smoker2:
I think your right, though I thought some of the older ones were all top mount but I may be mistaken. But Im sure you would agree that it still would be well worth it to install an FMIC.
Oh, absolutey! But if you're running stock boost, you can go with the stock side mount and not have to worry about the hood. Just taking one complication out of an otherwise good equation... :smoker2:
G-Forces
11-27-2001, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by FCI Performance
I think your right, though I thought some of the older ones were all top mount but I may be mistaken. But Im sure you would agree that it still would be well worth it to install an FMIC.
I'm pretty sure all Silvia's had side-mount intercoolers too. Could just be saying it out of habbit from the FWD DET's.
But yeah a FMIC would be the best thing to do.
I think your right, though I thought some of the older ones were all top mount but I may be mistaken. But Im sure you would agree that it still would be well worth it to install an FMIC.
I'm pretty sure all Silvia's had side-mount intercoolers too. Could just be saying it out of habbit from the FWD DET's.
But yeah a FMIC would be the best thing to do.
Ip_Spoofer
12-06-2001, 10:44 AM
Thanks to whoever posted this topic, I really would like to put a sr20det into my 240sx but was having problems getting all the info I need. This post has answered most of my questions. I know a guy that said he would install a sr20 it for very little money (he owns a honda/nissan repair shop). I also live in the middle of no where and would not have to worry to much about the CARB laws, although fix it tickets could be a prob. Also, what exhaust system works best for performance with the sr20det?
FCI Performance
12-06-2001, 10:50 AM
A custom three inch exhaust would be best because you can never go too big with with turbo.
Morpheus XIII
12-08-2001, 06:13 AM
You can stay with the 2.5 or 2.75 unless you are planning for increased boost in the future. Remember, too little backpressure kills torque.
Oh, and about the intercoolers, yes you can stay with the stock side mount intercooler with stock boost, but if you are planning a swap, it would be best to go for a new full sized intercooler at this time. Efficient cooling is ALWAYS a win/win situation, and is considered to be one of the most friendliest mods for turbos, yielding huge power while not risking ANYTHING, except your wallet (actually, it preserves engine life, meaning it's riskier over time to stick with the stock intercooler).
Oh, and about the intercoolers, yes you can stay with the stock side mount intercooler with stock boost, but if you are planning a swap, it would be best to go for a new full sized intercooler at this time. Efficient cooling is ALWAYS a win/win situation, and is considered to be one of the most friendliest mods for turbos, yielding huge power while not risking ANYTHING, except your wallet (actually, it preserves engine life, meaning it's riskier over time to stick with the stock intercooler).
TatII
01-17-2002, 01:47 AM
hmmmm then when its time to take a emissions test after you need to renew your registration, how do those guys do it? how do they pass it or get by it if they don't pass emissions? cuase thats whats scarin me the most righ tnow for not gettin the 240sx casue my main goal to get that car is to do that swap.
91RedSilvia
01-17-2002, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by TatII
hmmmm then when its time to take a emissions test after you need to renew your registration, how do those guys do it? how do they pass it or get by it if they don't pass emissions? cuase thats whats scarin me the most righ tnow for not gettin the 240sx casue my main goal to get that car is to do that swap.
Assuming you make you car pass the visual inspection, I believe the SR20 doesn't have to much trouble passing the actual smog part if it's tuned right. For the visual inspection, you'll have to figure out a way route the EGR valve as I believe it's the only emissions thing that the SR20 doesn't have. I may be wrong about this, but I know you have to do some custom EGR stuff to pass the visual inspection.
Hope this helps.
Justin
PS Otherwise, you'll have to figure out how to register it in a county that doens't do testing. My G/F parents offered to let me register my car where they live :)
hmmmm then when its time to take a emissions test after you need to renew your registration, how do those guys do it? how do they pass it or get by it if they don't pass emissions? cuase thats whats scarin me the most righ tnow for not gettin the 240sx casue my main goal to get that car is to do that swap.
Assuming you make you car pass the visual inspection, I believe the SR20 doesn't have to much trouble passing the actual smog part if it's tuned right. For the visual inspection, you'll have to figure out a way route the EGR valve as I believe it's the only emissions thing that the SR20 doesn't have. I may be wrong about this, but I know you have to do some custom EGR stuff to pass the visual inspection.
Hope this helps.
Justin
PS Otherwise, you'll have to figure out how to register it in a county that doens't do testing. My G/F parents offered to let me register my car where they live :)
Morpheus XIII
01-19-2002, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by TatII
hmmmm then when its time to take a emissions test after you need to renew your registration, how do those guys do it? how do they pass it or get by it if they don't pass emissions? cuase thats whats scarin me the most righ tnow for not gettin the 240sx casue my main goal to get that car is to do that swap.
Most know at least one person who will hook them up with a 'pass'.
hmmmm then when its time to take a emissions test after you need to renew your registration, how do those guys do it? how do they pass it or get by it if they don't pass emissions? cuase thats whats scarin me the most righ tnow for not gettin the 240sx casue my main goal to get that car is to do that swap.
Most know at least one person who will hook them up with a 'pass'.
TatII
01-20-2002, 10:49 PM
how about if i put a boost controler on, and pretty much lower the boost as much as possible sooo it would be like a sr20de. those are u.s. legal. would that work?
Morpheus XIII
01-21-2002, 03:27 AM
No, the engine itself is foreign. The simple fact that there is a turbo there will fail the visibility test. You could disguise the turbo with heatshields and such, but just hope that the emissions level is normal.
TatII
01-21-2002, 09:07 PM
grrrrrrrrrr that sucks, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm anyone else with advice? lolz i need to find out whats up.
Jay!
01-21-2002, 09:09 PM
Smog is the reason I put my 240SX/Silvia dreams on the waaay back burner for now... :(
Morpheus XIII
01-22-2002, 10:06 PM
Sucks to be you guys. I have a "trusted" smog shop. :p
TatII
01-24-2002, 05:14 PM
hmmmmm i also have a few friends whos relatives own auto shops that does emissions test!!!! EUREKA~!!! IT CAN BE DONE~!!!! YES!!! THANKS FOR THE ILLEGAL SMOG SHOP IDEA GUYS~!
90civichbsi
01-30-2002, 09:57 PM
I would be lucky enough to live in a county with no smog tests.:D so soon i may have me a 240 w/ a sr20det. although we dont have emissions, we have alot of other dumb laws that you people in ca dont have.:rolleyes: Also its a bit easier to get j-spec parts and engines there in ca than here in tx.
Morpheus XIII
02-02-2002, 03:39 AM
Hmm... maybe the mods here should start posting disclaimers before we get someone in trouble!
Jay!
02-02-2002, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
Hmm... maybe the mods here should start posting disclaimers before we get someone in trouble! psst... that's you, dude! :p
Hmm... maybe the mods here should start posting disclaimers before we get someone in trouble! psst... that's you, dude! :p
Morpheus XIII
02-03-2002, 01:07 AM
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VRT Elektrique
02-04-2002, 08:30 PM
SR20's...
Someone mentioned SuperSuck magazine saying $7000 for SR's.. they are smoking crack, I can walk down to Nissan Blue Stage and order a brand new SR20DET for less then that.
Do research, you will find them like my brother did for $1500 w/computer/harness/tranny
Smog?
do what Subaru did, (and a certain anonymous friend in Cali.)
attach 3 catylitic converters to the exhaust and install a Air/Fuel converter, lean it out.. alot. Drive like a granny to the emmisions, you WILL pass. Yes, the EGR is whats missing on the SR, like someone mentioned before.
If your resourceful and creative, you can do anything.
Catylitic converters work wonders.
Someone mentioned SuperSuck magazine saying $7000 for SR's.. they are smoking crack, I can walk down to Nissan Blue Stage and order a brand new SR20DET for less then that.
Do research, you will find them like my brother did for $1500 w/computer/harness/tranny
Smog?
do what Subaru did, (and a certain anonymous friend in Cali.)
attach 3 catylitic converters to the exhaust and install a Air/Fuel converter, lean it out.. alot. Drive like a granny to the emmisions, you WILL pass. Yes, the EGR is whats missing on the SR, like someone mentioned before.
If your resourceful and creative, you can do anything.
Catylitic converters work wonders.
NSX-R-SSJ20K
02-05-2002, 05:21 PM
super street does?
oh yea i remember that one
its not a 180 anymore its a Sil 80 !!!
oh yea i remember that one
its not a 180 anymore its a Sil 80 !!!
Morpheus XIII
02-10-2002, 12:24 PM
LOL! NSX-R-SSJ20K, you have my old avatar! That one from Options Auto Salon must be the only straight S15 emblem pic on the Internet.
InitialDwannabe
04-07-2002, 04:41 PM
cheapest silvia products I have found are at www.heavythrottle.com
This is where i am purchasing my engine + all the other crap to make it run i.e. clips downpipes and other stuff lie t-78 turbos....
Oh btw, i have 10grand to waste on my silvia...what else could i consider?
This is where i am purchasing my engine + all the other crap to make it run i.e. clips downpipes and other stuff lie t-78 turbos....
Oh btw, i have 10grand to waste on my silvia...what else could i consider?
J SPEC SilEighty
04-18-2002, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by InitialDwannabe
cheapest silvia products I have found are at www.heavythrottle.com
This is where i am purchasing my engine + all the other crap to make it run i.e. clips downpipes and other stuff lie t-78 turbos....
Oh btw, i have 10grand to waste on my silvia...what else could i consider?
you could always consider sending me some of that money
:D But I'm guessing that's out of the question so you could work on the motor a lot, get a good suspension set-up, S15 front end conversion. There are many things that you could do to your car but the number 1 thing I would do is purchase and install the motor, and then buy misc. stuff for it like a downpipe (if not included), clutch, fuel pump, FMIC, BOV, full cat-back exhaust, Boost Controller, lightened flywheel and lightened pulley set. What year 240 do you have? Good Luck :)
cheapest silvia products I have found are at www.heavythrottle.com
This is where i am purchasing my engine + all the other crap to make it run i.e. clips downpipes and other stuff lie t-78 turbos....
Oh btw, i have 10grand to waste on my silvia...what else could i consider?
you could always consider sending me some of that money
:D But I'm guessing that's out of the question so you could work on the motor a lot, get a good suspension set-up, S15 front end conversion. There are many things that you could do to your car but the number 1 thing I would do is purchase and install the motor, and then buy misc. stuff for it like a downpipe (if not included), clutch, fuel pump, FMIC, BOV, full cat-back exhaust, Boost Controller, lightened flywheel and lightened pulley set. What year 240 do you have? Good Luck :)
InitialDwannabe
04-18-2002, 04:26 PM
yeah that is waht i was gonna do...now that i think about it, the S15 conversion will be last on my list. I'll have to work on all the things Hondaimports talked about. My silvia is a 1991 fastback btw.
Morpheus XIII
04-18-2002, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by InitialDwannabe
Oh btw, i have 10grand to waste on my silvia...what else could i consider?
Buy the most expensive equipment first, and make that your foundation. Then work with that foundation and add on whatever else you need.
For example, after you get the motor, think about getting a new turbo. It's best to install this now rather than later, because if you do end up getting it later, you might end up spending more money to get another new downpipe, turbo manifold, etc. If you do purchase an aftermarket turbo, get the external wastegate now, or besure there is an internal one.
Then it's time to free up exhaust flow, and NOT before (if you bought an exhaust first, it may not even fit with your new setup). Then get a massive intercooler with all the needed piping. It's one of the best parts available for turbocharged vehicles, since they are a win/win mod in the reliability/power department.
With the piping comes a flange for a by-pass valve, and then you can start adding the little things such as boost-controllers, fuel delivery, ignition etc. and you can also open up the motor and start working on the head, etc. Tune your cams and other engine timing features to the flow of your current setup, and you won't ever have to change it again. Just besure you reinforce the bottom end before cranking up the boost controller.
As for external appearance, you may want to do this last. If you do it first, you could end up getting tired of the look by the time you're done with all the underhood modifications. Remember Non Fujitas 240SX? I think it would have gotten FAR more publicity (not that it didn't get some) if he had presented his car with that $10,000 racing SR-engine first. When it was first reviewed in magazines, his car (like many of the others) looked like another typical all-show/no-goer. Even though it is probably ungodly fast now, it's starting to look pretty tired, compared to some of the other S14s out there. But still, one of the damn cleanest cars.
Oh btw, i have 10grand to waste on my silvia...what else could i consider?
Buy the most expensive equipment first, and make that your foundation. Then work with that foundation and add on whatever else you need.
For example, after you get the motor, think about getting a new turbo. It's best to install this now rather than later, because if you do end up getting it later, you might end up spending more money to get another new downpipe, turbo manifold, etc. If you do purchase an aftermarket turbo, get the external wastegate now, or besure there is an internal one.
Then it's time to free up exhaust flow, and NOT before (if you bought an exhaust first, it may not even fit with your new setup). Then get a massive intercooler with all the needed piping. It's one of the best parts available for turbocharged vehicles, since they are a win/win mod in the reliability/power department.
With the piping comes a flange for a by-pass valve, and then you can start adding the little things such as boost-controllers, fuel delivery, ignition etc. and you can also open up the motor and start working on the head, etc. Tune your cams and other engine timing features to the flow of your current setup, and you won't ever have to change it again. Just besure you reinforce the bottom end before cranking up the boost controller.
As for external appearance, you may want to do this last. If you do it first, you could end up getting tired of the look by the time you're done with all the underhood modifications. Remember Non Fujitas 240SX? I think it would have gotten FAR more publicity (not that it didn't get some) if he had presented his car with that $10,000 racing SR-engine first. When it was first reviewed in magazines, his car (like many of the others) looked like another typical all-show/no-goer. Even though it is probably ungodly fast now, it's starting to look pretty tired, compared to some of the other S14s out there. But still, one of the damn cleanest cars.
Gonthrax
04-19-2002, 11:23 AM
Methinks you should buy injectors, pump, and FC at the same time as the turbo. Donno how much boost your planning on running but if it's very much you will need those things if you want to keep your engine. If possible I'd do all the major mods at the same time like Installing Turbo, Boost controler, IC so that way you can minimize the number of times you have to get your ECU remapped. It may not be fesable for ya but just a suggestion.
J SPEC SilEighty
04-19-2002, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Morpheus XIII
Remember Non Fujitas 240SX?
:drool:
I love that car :D
Remember Non Fujitas 240SX?
:drool:
I love that car :D
Morpheus XIII
04-20-2002, 04:04 AM
Gonthrax: hell yeah, if one can afford it, doing everything at once is the safest, and least expensive route (as a whole).
HondaImports: Yeah, one of the cleanest '97-98 S14s I've ever laid my eyes on. I might be mistaken, but think I read somewhere that his custom GT-R emulating custom body kit is now available as a mass production. Very nice car, and now I have even more respect for it, being that it is blazingly fast.
For the few not in the know, here are some shots from Overboost, of Non Fujita's 240SX:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/657130non1.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/877103non2.JPG
By the way, let me rephrase what I said in my last post: Fujita's car is not "tired" but simply not "fresh". However, the look IS without denial, timeless.
HondaImports: Yeah, one of the cleanest '97-98 S14s I've ever laid my eyes on. I might be mistaken, but think I read somewhere that his custom GT-R emulating custom body kit is now available as a mass production. Very nice car, and now I have even more respect for it, being that it is blazingly fast.
For the few not in the know, here are some shots from Overboost, of Non Fujita's 240SX:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/657130non1.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/877103non2.JPG
By the way, let me rephrase what I said in my last post: Fujita's car is not "tired" but simply not "fresh". However, the look IS without denial, timeless.
americaninjapan
06-26-2002, 12:47 PM
ok.. first i would like to state that i do not want to rub any noses.. but maybe just a little.. I am new to this forum. and i think it is pretty cool.. i used to be a die hard american car fan.. with couple corvettes .. but knew some friends with 240sxs' <-- i would never want to mistake a 240 for a "SILVIA" as i do believe there are distint differences.. as for one.. sr20 sr20det.. and that is what i consider the cream of the crop silvia.. one equip with a sr20det.. from the factory.. i am sure most of you guys do not have that luxury .. and have to worry about engine swaps.. tranny swaps.. wiring conversions.. let alone.. that nast install price.. ok.. i guess to my point.. i read up before.. silvia type I and type II range from oh about $5000-$20000.. and yes some less and some more.. I live in japan and just purchased a j spec 1995 slivia sr20DET .. or silvia K model and for a resonable price of 700,000 yen and conversion to usd is just under $5,500 .. how do you like them apples. which of course will be one hell of a site when i return from japan and living in hawaii again.. right side driving.. .. at its best.. best part about having it from factory is all i have to do is bits and part of mods.. depending on my want and need for more speed. I have to say .. driving this compared to my corvettes.. is very very different.. stablility in the rear.. such a nice feeling. and the power... is great.. just have to keep remember.. shift with that left hand.. now that is a trick that i am slowly getting used to.. anyway.. to all of you that HAVE to do the mod.. go for it.. it is worth it.. and makes me happy to know.. that i got car and sr20det for the price most places will charge for engine and install..
:D not to rub any noses.. but damn glad i am here for that reason.. on the note that i am in japan.. if there are any questions of parts.. and prices... as straight from the SOURCE as compared to possible mark up or what not.. let me know.. among other projects in the car.. one is putting a custom s15 front end on it.. i dont have to worry about too much until customs and EPA are on my ass.. about importing.. but worth making some mods..even if that means buying and putting in the ka engine and shipping my sr20det seperate, to get it passed.. and hawaii has no SMOG law.. so.. once i am approved from EPA.. all back to NORMAL.. if that is what you could call it. living in japan does have it benifits... how about getting an 2001 s15 sr20det for 2,000,000 yen.. usd oh around 16,000.. that is probably what some of you paid for your 240sx non turbo.. import tax.. not that is a bitch.. i guess i have ranted enough.. so.. any response ? questions? grips?
:D not to rub any noses.. but damn glad i am here for that reason.. on the note that i am in japan.. if there are any questions of parts.. and prices... as straight from the SOURCE as compared to possible mark up or what not.. let me know.. among other projects in the car.. one is putting a custom s15 front end on it.. i dont have to worry about too much until customs and EPA are on my ass.. about importing.. but worth making some mods..even if that means buying and putting in the ka engine and shipping my sr20det seperate, to get it passed.. and hawaii has no SMOG law.. so.. once i am approved from EPA.. all back to NORMAL.. if that is what you could call it. living in japan does have it benifits... how about getting an 2001 s15 sr20det for 2,000,000 yen.. usd oh around 16,000.. that is probably what some of you paid for your 240sx non turbo.. import tax.. not that is a bitch.. i guess i have ranted enough.. so.. any response ? questions? grips?
Bean Bandit
06-27-2002, 04:13 AM
-> americaninjapan
I'm from Europe and searching for a strawberry conversion do you know someone in Japan who wood sell and ship it to me? (It's for a '91 RPS13)
BTW you should visit Switzerland if you're once in Europe - I think you gonna like it! (at least another guy from Hawaii did, we met him on our way back home from Greece)
I'm from Europe and searching for a strawberry conversion do you know someone in Japan who wood sell and ship it to me? (It's for a '91 RPS13)
BTW you should visit Switzerland if you're once in Europe - I think you gonna like it! (at least another guy from Hawaii did, we met him on our way back home from Greece)
Morpheus XIII
07-21-2002, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by americaninjapan
ok.. first i would like to state that i do not want to rub any noses.. but maybe just a little..........so.. any response ? questions? grips?
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I did NOT need this sudden refresher course on our Stateside 240SX drawbacks. I think the majority of the U.S. SR20DET enthusiasts already know about (and are irked about) the advantages given to those who buy in Japan. But you know, I don't mind that we have to pay more for the swap--at least we have the choice of being able to do so. Just a few years ago, it was a rare custom job, but now every ma and pa shop can perform the switch. We must be thankful for what we have.
Hey americaninjapan, why don't you take a step further and rub in the fact that Nissan doesn't sell GT-Rs here? How insensitive.
ok.. first i would like to state that i do not want to rub any noses.. but maybe just a little..........so.. any response ? questions? grips?
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I did NOT need this sudden refresher course on our Stateside 240SX drawbacks. I think the majority of the U.S. SR20DET enthusiasts already know about (and are irked about) the advantages given to those who buy in Japan. But you know, I don't mind that we have to pay more for the swap--at least we have the choice of being able to do so. Just a few years ago, it was a rare custom job, but now every ma and pa shop can perform the switch. We must be thankful for what we have.
Hey americaninjapan, why don't you take a step further and rub in the fact that Nissan doesn't sell GT-Rs here? How insensitive.
deRost
09-18-2003, 11:34 AM
Stateside 240sx's have something else to them though that makes it even more of an enthusiast car: They are an unbeatable project platform that you can transform INTO a Silvia. Honestly, where's the fun in BUYING a JSpec Silvia K when you can build one from practically the ground up, exactly the way you want it? Right hand drive? Get a whole Silvia front clip and convert your stateside 240sx into RHD. :naughty: It's pretty cool to have the real deal, but it's not the end all.:disappoin Not to rub any noses, of course.
ps, I know this thread is old, but it doesn't hurt to feel good about your car (or in my case, dream car)
ps, I know this thread is old, but it doesn't hurt to feel good about your car (or in my case, dream car)
Suislide
09-18-2003, 11:16 PM
posting on a thread that's over a year old, eh?
impressive! :shakehead
read the date first, man. :cool:
impressive! :shakehead
read the date first, man. :cool:
SR20DETpower
09-25-2003, 03:18 PM
"Then it's time to free up exhaust flow, and NOT before (if you bought an exhaust first, it may not even fit with your new setup). Then get a massive intercooler with all the needed piping. It's one of the best parts available for turbocharged vehicles, since they are a win/win mod in the reliability/power department."wrong and wrong
any aftermarket exhaust system will work on any turbo/manifold. Your DOWNPIPE might not work on an aftermarket turbo/manifold but you can always customize it to work as well.... Reason being the catback starts where the cat finishes, this position will never change.
And don't get a bigass intercooler thinking bigger is better, too big will hurt your throttle response and give u a bit longer time for boost, get the one that fits what you need, if it says for 400hp and you want to make 350hp get that one, not the bigger one designed for 500hp...
any aftermarket exhaust system will work on any turbo/manifold. Your DOWNPIPE might not work on an aftermarket turbo/manifold but you can always customize it to work as well.... Reason being the catback starts where the cat finishes, this position will never change.
And don't get a bigass intercooler thinking bigger is better, too big will hurt your throttle response and give u a bit longer time for boost, get the one that fits what you need, if it says for 400hp and you want to make 350hp get that one, not the bigger one designed for 500hp...
S14
09-25-2003, 04:59 PM
HMPH.. A 240SX with Silvia parts attached to it does not change what it really is. At most I would call it a Silvia CONVERSION. Not a Silvia. A 240SX will always be a 240SX just like a Silvia always remains a Silvia because it was never at any point in its life a 240sx.. ARRR!
lol.. Just trying to make my car feel special.
lol.. Just trying to make my car feel special.
deRost
09-25-2003, 08:15 PM
@Ike - I know that the thread is old; I knew before I posted. It just touched a bone and I wanted to add my 2 cents, no matter how out of date. It's all good.
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