coilover! were do i start?
Soldier456
06-15-2005, 08:02 AM
I wanna drop my civic but im not sure how much. i wanna get coilovers but i don't know much bout them. I seen them on ebay but they just springs for like $60, do they expect you to stick them on standard struts!
But i also seen full kits for like $1000. Is there a cheaper way? Can you actually put them on standard sturts? What do i need to buy? and what price am i lookin at?
But i also seen full kits for like $1000. Is there a cheaper way? Can you actually put them on standard sturts? What do i need to buy? and what price am i lookin at?
turtlecrxsi
06-15-2005, 08:21 AM
I've got beat struts with Arospeed Coilovers and the car is still stiffer than most domestics. I have some negative camber but no issues with tire tread problems or driveability. Most would say don't go that route. If you want a decent set-up you have to spend the $. If I replace my set up I'll probably go with Eibach Ground Control Coilovers and Tokico Struts.
BLU CIVIC
06-15-2005, 09:10 AM
if you get a cheap set of coilovers, get a good set of dampers...if you have the $$$, go ahead and get some Koni yellows since they're made for lowered cars...you may have some camber issues...i say may b/c i had about a 4" drop on my 1st blue civic with no camber issues, but the same set on my next blue civic and have really bad camber issues...
but like i advise, do it right the 1st time
but like i advise, do it right the 1st time
FuLL BLown STD
06-15-2005, 09:20 AM
i hate my suspension setup.. wont be anytime soon but i wanna eventually get koni yellows and a good set of lowering springs. i thought ebay coilovers were SHIT! but i also think averaged price coils are shit too.. but then again im hard to satisfy. i drove in several cars with all kinds of setups.. Tien is ok JIC is nice! all expensive! stay away from ebay specials :nono: hehe
BLU CIVIC
06-15-2005, 09:42 AM
ebay sleeved coilovers aren't the best, but a good set of dampers will make then preform like a champ...but won't be as good as say, Tein SS coilvers (true coilovers)
but the ebay special are nice...had aerospeed coilovers or ground control and koni agx dampers for like $400...not a bad price to start out with...but the more you know, the more you'll want to save and get something better
but the ebay special are nice...had aerospeed coilovers or ground control and koni agx dampers for like $400...not a bad price to start out with...but the more you know, the more you'll want to save and get something better
FuLL BLown STD
06-15-2005, 09:50 AM
yeah i agree.. and the coilovers on ebay and $200-400 coilovers might more then satisfy most ppl, i prefer taking a twisty at 70mph with confidence without pushing it. seconds from my house..http://www.pahillclimb.org/Courses/Reading.htm
BLU CIVIC
06-15-2005, 10:26 AM
you don't need a good suspension to take curves fast...didn't u learn anything from Initial D :lol:
1PhatCX
06-15-2005, 01:08 PM
i've got cheap no-name coilovers on my hatch with kyb gr-2 dampers, and it rides friggin nice! however, i still wanna upgrade to either koni yellows or a tru coilover set-up, dunno yet tho
turtlecrxsi
06-15-2005, 01:28 PM
yeah i agree.. and the coilovers on ebay and $200-400 coilovers might more then satisfy most ppl, i prefer taking a twisty at 70mph with confidence without pushing it. seconds from my house..http://www.pahillclimb.org/Courses/Reading.htm
That is so cute! Check out the tail of the dragon. Blu knows it. Stuff like that all around where I'm at, and if you think you can take those twisties at 70mph you better have a Lotus suspension cuz you'll probably be free falling a good thousand feet to your doom...
That is so cute! Check out the tail of the dragon. Blu knows it. Stuff like that all around where I'm at, and if you think you can take those twisties at 70mph you better have a Lotus suspension cuz you'll probably be free falling a good thousand feet to your doom...
FuLL BLown STD
06-15-2005, 03:51 PM
That is so cute! Check out the tail of the dragon. Blu knows it. Stuff like that all around where I'm at, and if you think you can take those twisties at 70mph you better have a Lotus suspension cuz you'll probably be free falling a good thousand feet to your doom...
Funny u bring up dragons tail.. this is what is at the top of that hill climb..http://community.webshots.com/photo/170429773/209786626ZiJNun
and dude im not talking about those twisties at 70mph with my car..wanna see the next best thing to a lotus that drives like its on tracks up that hill?
http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records/pics/fvlacci91t.jpg
time 2:07:902 91 mr2 turbo name Fabio Vlacci
Funny u bring up dragons tail.. this is what is at the top of that hill climb..http://community.webshots.com/photo/170429773/209786626ZiJNun
and dude im not talking about those twisties at 70mph with my car..wanna see the next best thing to a lotus that drives like its on tracks up that hill?
http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records/pics/fvlacci91t.jpg
time 2:07:902 91 mr2 turbo name Fabio Vlacci
turtlecrxsi
06-15-2005, 03:59 PM
Hell yeah!
BullShifter
06-17-2005, 01:44 AM
Dont be cheap with suspension or you will regret it. After that said start of with the basics.
Are you lowering just because every other car is and you think it looks cool, or the real purpose of improved handling?
Do you need adjustable height?
Do you have the ability to set it up correctly?
What's the cars main purpose?(street, race)
Just because a car is lowered doesn't mean it handles good, even though many people think they do. :screwy:
Just recently we had a kid bring in a CRX with some junk sleeves, cranked all the way down with stock struts. He raved about how good it handled, I drove and said you've got to be kidding me. The car wasn't riding on the springs, it was on the bump stops. It sure was stiff but in no way handled or rode well. We talked him into doing it the right and the look on his face after he drove it was priceless.
We used:
H&R springs
KYB AGX struts
New upper mounts
Lower ball joints were shot from the extreme lowering and harshness
Outer tie rods
St rear sway
Are you lowering just because every other car is and you think it looks cool, or the real purpose of improved handling?
Do you need adjustable height?
Do you have the ability to set it up correctly?
What's the cars main purpose?(street, race)
Just because a car is lowered doesn't mean it handles good, even though many people think they do. :screwy:
Just recently we had a kid bring in a CRX with some junk sleeves, cranked all the way down with stock struts. He raved about how good it handled, I drove and said you've got to be kidding me. The car wasn't riding on the springs, it was on the bump stops. It sure was stiff but in no way handled or rode well. We talked him into doing it the right and the look on his face after he drove it was priceless.
We used:
H&R springs
KYB AGX struts
New upper mounts
Lower ball joints were shot from the extreme lowering and harshness
Outer tie rods
St rear sway
turtlecrxsi
06-17-2005, 07:27 AM
jackasssi, just wondering if it makes that much of a difference what size tires you have with slight drop (not all the way on sleeves). My 14s are only 5" wide and when it's windy, I can feel a tad bit of sway at 80mph. Would wider rims/tires alleviate this or is it because some of my suspension parts are old? Note, when it's not very windy, no sway... all the way passed 100mph... :grinyes:
BLU CIVIC
06-17-2005, 07:33 AM
i believe it's both...but since we have a light car probably not much you can do but weigh it down with cement :D
turtlecrxsi
06-17-2005, 07:40 AM
i believe it's both...but since we have a light car probably not much you can do but weigh it down with cement :D
Maybe I should get another sub...
...nah...
Maybe I should get another sub...
...nah...
BullShifter
06-18-2005, 02:15 AM
i believe it's both...but since we have a light car probably not much you can do but weigh it down with cement :D
:werd: weight will do more than tires in dealing with cross winds. If you didn't have your car aligned after lowering the effects will be greater because the front tires aren't running straight, they're scrubbing.
:werd: weight will do more than tires in dealing with cross winds. If you didn't have your car aligned after lowering the effects will be greater because the front tires aren't running straight, they're scrubbing.
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