Ls7 Gto?

So i was talkin to my friend today, and he mentioned something about Pontiac putting LS7's into the GTO starting probably in 2007....Normally I wouldn't mention anything but this guy knows more about cars than I could ever hope to so he wouldn't talk about it lightly, he mentioned that his dad might get a GTO but he'll wait till they put the LS7 (500 hp) into it in a year or two...so that would land us in the middle of the 2006 or 2007 model year...and it would be big news if they were putting them in the 2006 so i'm gonna guess 2007 would sound better. However, there's been talk of just discontinuing the GTO and bringing it back on a different chassis. Whether or not this happens, has anyone heard anything about the possibility of the 500 HP LS7 in a GTO in the future?

The 505 hp LS7 in the new Corvette Z06 is hand-built. It isn't likely to find its way into other GM cars and trucks.

There are rumors and propeganda flying in ALL directions. The Chevy boys hope Pontiac dies on the vine. They're even hoping for a "Chevelle" based on Manaro. There IS talk of one of the Caddy chassis being used in '07 for GTO. GM has made no "official" comments on either the demise or continuation of GTO.
As for LS7, WOO-HOO!!! 4 1/8" bore, 4" stroke. They call it "427", but that's Chevy getting involved. It's the same bore/stroke combination as 428 (Pontiac). Gobs of low-end torque, good high-end power. The best of all possible worlds... And I believe, if they continue the car, GTO WILL get the big motor.

Maybe the next chassie will be from Isuzu, and the engine from a Mazda oooohhh a wankel, and to make it a GTO we will use an American trans and 3M backed Arrow heads and the letters GTO.

You know guys I was thinking that we really dont need to build a new GTO, why dont we just re shape the nose on the vette and slap some GTO stickers on it? what ya think?

We could even go in together and pool our money on a company that sells kits to change your ANY car into a GTO! this sounds great, some stickers of "PONTIAC" and "GTO" we could even put a small pry bar in the kit so you can remove your old badges like your SS, or 5.0, Delta 88!

GM sold this idea why cant we???

Our company will be called
"SLOPPY SECONDS GTOS"

None of that sounds like a good idea.

Since they did that to the AussiChevGTO, it's been done.
It was a good idea for GM, it was a good idea for GM to sell to people who just want a fast car and dont care about what it's really made of.

Alot of people don't like this car, not only because its putting American jobs out, but it's not even an American Idea for a car, and the engine is the next fmaily of SBC.

I have a hard time compareing this car to a real world things, but I can't think of anything with such a background getting treated like this.

If Honda and Jeep made a deal and Honda made a body and chassie and Jeep tossed in an Engine and slaped "Jeep" letters on it, some people would jump off buildings!

If Ford stoped making all engine in the US and replaced them with Mazda engines people would not buy cars from them. Even more so if the F150 was made in Japan and shiped here.

I seen a Marine sitcker on the new Titian truck , I was pondering if that jar head knew how many POWs were used/killed in the factorys of the people who made his truck.

We should never forget our past, the good and the bad of it, and I can't forget the rich history of the GTO getting craped on by this unamerican Aussi Chevy wanting to replace/be what the Pontiac GTO was.



Even tho Hemis were faster then GTOs in the long run, they could never beat them light to light on a normal block run. (426Hemi VS same year 389 Tri power)

I'm not too fond of the new GTO, but in the end, it all comes down to personal preference.

If you dont like them, dont whine about it.

Since they did that to the AussiChevGTO, it's been done.
It was a good idea for GM, it was a good idea for GM to sell to people who just want a fast car and dont care about what it's really made of.

Alot of people don't like this car, not only because its putting American jobs out, but it's not even an American Idea for a car, and the engine is the next fmaily of SBC.

I have a hard time compareing this car to a real world things, but I can't think of anything with such a background getting treated like this.

If Honda and Jeep made a deal and Honda made a body and chassie and Jeep tossed in an Engine and slaped "Jeep" letters on it, some people would jump off buildings!

If Ford stoped making all engine in the US and replaced them with Mazda engines people would not buy cars from them. Even more so if the F150 was made in Japan and shiped here.

I seen a Marine sitcker on the new Titian truck , I was pondering if that jar head knew how many POWs were used/killed in the factorys of the people who made his truck.

We should never forget our past, the good and the bad of it, and I can't forget the rich history of the GTO getting craped on by this unamerican Aussi Chevy wanting to replace/be what the Pontiac GTO was.



Even tho Hemis were faster then GTOs in the long run, they could never beat them light to light on a normal block run. (426Hemi VS same year 389 Tri power)

The Nissan Titan is built in the U.S.

People would jump off buildings if Jeep and Honda made an automobile together?

p.s. I don't really care for many Japanese and Korean cars.

I'm not too fond of the new GTO, but in the end, it all comes down to personal preference.

If you dont like them, dont whine about it.

I will do all the bitching I want!

It's not even a Pontiac, and it's not even American and powered by a Chevy engine, it seems to me that it's something to talk about!If it was not an attack on the integrity of the PMD GTO you would have never heard a peep from me, however since I have a REAL GTO and know what it is to have a GTO and to see this FAKE GTO get all kinda love it makes me sick, and as long as I stick to the rules of this fourm I will keep telling anyone I want what a fake Aussi Chevy GTO this is. All in the form of information :)


As for a the Jeep thing, you would have to know the Jeep people, hard core Jeep people want Jeeps all Jeep.

I will do all the bitching I want!

It's not even a Pontiac, and it's not even American and powered by a Chevy engine, it seems to me that it's something to talk about!If it was not an attack on the integrity of the PMD GTO you would have never heard a peep from me, however since I have a REAL GTO and know what it is to have a GTO and to see this FAKE GTO get all kinda love it makes me sick, and as long as I stick to the rules of this fourm I will keep telling anyone I want what a fake Aussi Chevy GTO this is. All in the form of information :)


As for a the Jeep thing, you would have to know the Jeep people, hard core Jeep people want Jeeps all Jeep.
good griefe! who really cares. a car is a car but if you like it then you like it. im a ford man and i love the new GTO. i don't care where its made, it catches my eye in appearence and in the interior and i think its a pretty car. now it will never look as good as the last f body ws-6 but it holds it own. if you don't like it then don't buy one. go buy a JEEP or a cavalier. you know being all biased, the new chevy AVEIOS are a daewoo with chevy stickers. the cavalier and sunfire are on the same platform and so just get over it and go on!

So i was talkin to my friend today, and he mentioned something about Pontiac putting LS7's into the GTO starting probably in 2007

The latest is there will be no 2007 GTO. When I looked through the Powertrain engine usage, I did see the LS3 being used in the 2008 GTO, Caddy CTS-V, and a yet named Chevy product.

The LS3 replaces the LS2 starting in 2008. The LS3 is a 6.1L engine.

This is all open for change but this is the way it is today.

Mr. Lutz alluded to a mid-'06 installation of the "big" engine in GTO. The '07 model WILL carry on if sales are there, still based on Monaro. As of now, sales are stronger than they were this time last year.
There's still no "official" word on any of it.

Nobody says you have to like the current GTO, and you're welcomed to your opinion of it as is anyone else, but the fact is that it is every bit a "real" GTO as any 1964-1974 GTO is/ was. The reason is simple. GM owns the trademark and manufacturers the car. If they call it a GTO, then it's a GTO. End of story. Doesn't matter where the parts came from. It's still a GM company. You mention you have a vintage GTO. You should then be aware of where Pontiac got the GTO name in the first place. You sound very similiar to any diehard Ferrari fan of the era. You're probably aware of how Ferrari folks felt about Pontiac's GTO. Ironic, no?



I will do all the bitching I want!

It's not even a Pontiac, and it's not even American and powered by a Chevy engine, it seems to me that it's something to talk about!If it was not an attack on the integrity of the PMD GTO you would have never heard a peep from me, however since I have a REAL GTO and know what it is to have a GTO and to see this FAKE GTO get all kinda love it makes me sick, and as long as I stick to the rules of this fourm I will keep telling anyone I want what a fake Aussi Chevy GTO this is. All in the form of information :)


As for a the Jeep thing, you would have to know the Jeep people, hard core Jeep people want Jeeps all Jeep.

You didn't hear this from me, but, there is a GTO floating around the Michigan test tracks with an LS7 in it.

Nobody says you have to like the current GTO, and you're welcomed to your opinion of it as is anyone else, but the fact is that it is every bit a "real" GTO as any 1964-1974 GTO is/ was. The reason is simple. GM owns the trademark and manufacturers the car. If they call it a GTO, then it's a GTO. End of story. Doesn't matter where the parts came from. It's still a GM company. You mention you have a vintage GTO. You should then be aware of where Pontiac got the GTO name in the first place. You sound very similiar to any diehard Ferrari fan of the era. You're probably aware of how Ferrari folks felt about Pontiac's GTO. Ironic, no?

I see, since Ferrari used "GTO" as a name for a car that says Pontiac stold it....Gran Turismo Omologato, so Play Station stold Gran Turismo, no it's just a name.
In your head and most of the rest of you, think that since the car "ChevyAussiGTO" is fast, that it should be called a GTO, and thats all you need to make up your minds about it, ....it's fast....

Lots of cars are fast, and they all have a allmost religious feeling at the show room, it's the engine and the car, not the car and the engine it's not me saying this, it's just how it's allways been. Some of you have some wild engine orgy of engines and car thing going on, some of you could not care on pushrod about what engine is in the car.

I think some of you who own that BASTARD or fatherless car had the same kinda high that Nazis had pulling gold out of dead soldiers teeth, "Gold is Gold" "Fast is Fast" GM, Chevy and the Aussis pulled the gold out of the dead PMD GTO, it's the 3M sticker on the car, and to REAL Pontiac People it's like seeing Dead GI Teeth Gold.

At that smallest point I can make is this :
"Pontiac never put anything but a Pontiac engine in a GTO"
"The car GM is calling a GTO now, does not have a PONTIAC engine the current engine is in the family of CHEVY"

And don't take "you know whos" word on it, he does'nt even know what a 72 GTO is.You going to cry again to the forum police because I showed how much you don't know about Pontiacs again, what a baby, he gets his name in a Pontiac book and he has a power trip and tryed to get me removed! I don't like it here and if I get booted i'm fine with it, you guys rub each others backs and run to the aid of one another without proveing me wrong, you quote me as if you answering my questions but you don't."IT'S A GTO BECAUSE GM SAYS IT IS! IT'S A GTO BECAUSE IT'S FAST!Gm says also, now they are saying they are going down the drain. I have been shutting you all down every time because one thing you can't get away from is that it's a CHEVY engine in a IMPORT being sold as a Pontiac GTO!

IT DOSE NOT HAVE A PONTIAC ENGINE!

Now I know other "Super Cars" tend to use any "fast" engine they can get to power the cars they make, but the great ones don't and we all know the Great One will allways be known as the GTO a PONTIAC GTO.

You can refuse what I say but never before has this car pissed off so many car people, just about every mag thats had this car in it has made a slight comment about it being imported and nonPontiac powered. GM even had to shake a cage to the Pontiac people to put the words "PONTIAC" on the dam car!!!!Good Night people can you READ??????????Jag never got this kinda coverage when America bought it!

Sure GM calls it a GTO, but they called the GEO metro a chevy.
How many times has Pontiac changed it's logan? It's a GM hore, it has no real good cars since "F body". Now with the new 2 seater Chevy had taken the that car over to it's area to to fit it with a Small block, it's not being done at a Pontiac Plant, it may be massed in a Pontiac Plant but the mock up was Chevy. If GM does not go under soon then Pontiac's name will go after Buick as Olds did.

I love America more then anybody, but the BS cars like the ChevyAussiGTO GM is selling is digging it's own demise with LIES and poor cars and trucks, this "anything go's" cars without soles crap is it's end.

You can get a Dodge engine in a Dodge, you can get a Ford engine in a Ford and so on, but you can't get a Pontiac engine in a Pontiac!

It's a GM lie backed with 3M tape! GM RIP

I think some of you who own that BASTARD or fatherless car had the same kinda high that Nazis had pulling gold out of dead soldiers teeth, "Gold is Gold" "Fast is Fast" GM, Chevy and the Aussis pulled the gold out of the dead PMD GTO, it's the 3M sticker on the car, and to REAL Pontiac People it's like seeing Dead GI Teeth Gold.

Huh?

Nazi Germany killed over 7,000,000 Jews and other people during World War II. As I have said before, there is a huge difference between the value of cars (metals, plastics, etc.) and human-beings.

American General Eisenhower declared that World War 2 could not have been won without the Willys MB (known as "the Jeep") but do you think he valued his troops more than Jeeps?

http://www.shaef.org/images/ike4.jpg

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ww2-pix/d-day01.jpg

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ww2-pix/d-day07.jpg

above two pictures taken from http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/dday.htm

it has no real good cars since "F body"

Pontiac has more than 15,000 orders for the new Solstice along with great reviews.

http://photos.velocityjournal.com/images/full/2005/131/pn2006solstice1315914.jpg

It's just a comparison.......that's all....just a comparison...

I don't see how you came to the end you did reading what I wrote unless your trying to make something out of it......

Well, when it comes down to it machins are worth more then human life, do you risk getting your jeep, duce, what have you, get disabled on a mission to save few when you need to have it for the many...

You place more soldiers/delta on machines then you do on people out in the field.

As Mr. Spock says "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few".

Oil,Greese,Gas,rubber move an Army first before the Soldier does.

The only thing that is GTO http://www.3m.com/

So this kid

http://natureinstitute.org/pub/ic/ic11/Images/child-smelling-flower2.jpg

is worth less than this

http://www.fishersmaytag.com/pictures/French%20Door%20refrigerator%20Freezer.jpeg

:screwy:

So this kid

http://natureinstitute.org/pub/ic/ic11/Images/child-smelling-flower2.jpg

is worth less than this

http://www.fishersmaytag.com/pictures/French%20Door%20refrigerator%20Freezer.jpeg

:screwy:

If that Ice Box had 1,000 shots of atropine in it, and a squad was ordered to protect it but head on the radio that a school was under fire and 12 kids were inside, the Lt or Capt or even the Sgt would not take his men to get those kids.

Even if nothing was in it, if it was needed for and unknown reason to protect it, it's still worth more then the kids. Kids can't cool meds, they can't cool down a lazer aimer to keep tanks crushing in the roof.

It's what is right, it's not good, but it's the right thing to do, math wise and the long term outcome wise, it's people that cant see this that want us out of the war.

When you plug yourself into the TV and net and don't think outside the room is when some person is trying to take what you have, do, or don't do, people hate, most people hate America because we give freedom to the oppressed, why do we do that? Because free nations don't fight each other, it's never happened.

I know what your thinking, seems like we have out nose in other countrys, well we don't have the CIA FBI and other stuff well unknown to uss telling us about future problems with any country, I think everyone should see what a NBC war does to people, it was what I seen that changed my mind about what man can do, if one well placed blister agent is set off the world will know the price of machine vs man.

WAR is hell, it's so bad so crazy that doing it , seeing it stops the next war.

Sobering, when you figure out it's man and machine, in that order.

Hangon, the Australian Designed and Built Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO is being attacked here, yet Australia was on the Allied Side of WW1 and WW2... Hmmm, yet good ol' ramairgto72 fails to realise, that since this car/motor is 'all allied nations built', why bring up POW's? Getting political or bringing up war attrocities over this car is not going to solve anything.

I can confirm that Holden Australia is has already dropped the Monaro in 2005, so it is doubtful that the USA will be keeping this shape for your GTO's.

Maybe now ramairgto72 can complain if they bring the GTO out based on a 2 door Subaru Impreza WRX(which GM also owns a major share of) with a LS7 and AWD.

So your saying that since the Aussis helped win the war, that the "Auiss Chevy GTO" should be an American Legend?

Or is it a Car made by the Aussis sold as a cheap sales target?

So when I fly over to see the Aussis and I trade in my US money for Aussi money and I spend it on Aussis things, i'm helping the USA?

I'm I saying "Thanks for getting us out of a jam in the big one?"

You just seem kinda mad at good ol' ramairgto72 for no reason then pointing out that a car drawn up and built in another country is being imported to the US and resold as an American Legend, NO LESS then being powered by a Chevy engine....

When it all boils down, the US auto worker is being shut out, money lost, no jobs, no white picket fences, but the Aussis will get a % and go on to invest in it's own company, on a lie, a simple Lie.

Ho-de-do Auissis helped in the War , lets let them put Ameicans out of work, and make a bastard out of Pontiac's GTO.

Yep , if you read what I wrote I made a big deal about the POWs and making my case about War, yes thats what I read, yep I looked on page 1 also, and thats all I said, I was like (Eric Cartman Voice) Ahh, you POWs get in the factory and make me some PIE, no Fake GTO's"....

Ramairgto72

Hold on to your hat cause I'm going to shock you. I'm starting to think you have a point, a small one, but a point with division powertrains versus corporate powertrains.

With the announcement that the new Camaro will be LS2 powered along with the CTS-V, GTO, SS Trailblazer, SSR, and the Vette already LS2 powered, LS3 and LS9 powered in 2008, where is the distinction between the cars?

Peal away the fenders and the other body parts and we have the same powertrain. Oh no, what are we going to argue about now?

On a seperate note, the LS7 is retiring after MY07 to be replaced by an LS9 which is a supercharged LS3. The LS3 replaces the LS2. The LS3 is a bit bigger in CI's, 6.1L if I remember right.

The movie "The Blues Brothers" comes to mind, the James Brown church part where "Jake, See's The Light".

"DO YOU SEE THE LIGHT rzkz8k"

Kinda sucks, don't it...

With a Plastic engine cover from the "AussiGTO" you can put it in your SS Trailblazer and brag that you ordered a "GTO" engine in your truck.

Or a Caddy, or a Vette, just stick your spoon in and stir the soup and you can have any combo in any car for they price of a Plastic engine cover.

"War of the Clones?"

As for GM and Subaru, GM sold off their remaining shares in Subaru.

The 2006 Cadillac CTS-V has an LS2, but the 2006 Cadillac STS-V and XLR-V have a DOHC supercharged Northstar V-8.

Kinda sucks, don't it...


Yup, it is starting too. When I saw the artical regarding the Camaro, I took a walk down memory lane to my high school days (68~70) and recalled all the weekend evenings hanging at the local Manners showen off our muscle.

Pop the hoods and each brand had a different looking engine and a different color, different horsepower, and torque. Now, you just are going to see the fuel rail covers, and they are interchangable. Like you said, dial your own.

How many vehicles are the Hemis in now?

I was happy before with the rebirth of the muscle car, but now I'm also dissapointed. An LS2 in a Camaro is going to blow the doors off a Goat just because of the weight. That didn't happen in the old days.

Before you think that the train has left the station,

Even tho the engine is the same it is not to say that one or the other is not going to have a higher HP number from the factory.

The 90's showed that Pontiac was able to edge out extra HP numbers is it's SBC engine, with it's very own part number engine.

I don't like what happened to GM's Cars all that much, the Subaru kinda of car building is a great idea only if you just love Sudarus.

I do think that these cars are able to lead the way in anything Auto, and would put my money into GM before Honda just because i'm American and that I think GM is going to shock everyone "someday" and leave a problem for Japan with cars on it's docks and no place to go.

The say "Fortune favors the bold", it may be japans day, but things don't allways stay that way.

Honda Trucks are not built as good a American Trucks, you do not and will not see them doing hard work, the truck they have now is more of a "going to get seed and rakes and maybe a boat, but it's not made for HD work by a long shot, I would pit the new Ridge Line with a even an aged 88 GMC half ton any day, and I know whos going to finish, the GMC.

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Rumour has it that Toyota is buying a majority stake in General Motors??

If so, does that mean GM will be fitting the LS3/9 to the Toyota Supra replacement?? Wonder if they will try flogging that off as the new GTO.


ramairgto72: As for your translation of what GTO stands for... I wonder why Pontiac never made the acronym more american'ised and called it the GTH?? Grand Tourer Homologation would be the English/American translation, right?

Hmm the LS3/9 to the Toyota Supra, I do think that it would explode as soon as you turned the key.

"american'ised"

I see you speek as a person of no "History" value.

A quick look at the name of the American states will show that we are what we came from, as well were we are now.

States, citys, roads named after citys around the world, is New England named after an American Land? No.

Some agrue America is the great "Meltting Pot" so keeping with our history we named the GTO after OTHER cars like we name our cities, towns, streets.

I would say that useing the name GTO on a car is American enough.

If GM would have came out with a Chevy GTO it would fit better then nameing a import renamed to a Pontiac GTO, it was an attempt to say
"IT'S BACK".

Some people are willing to drill holes in the American Boat of Life just for attention, as it sinks they grin.

(To defeat the trap you must first know of it's existance)

Australia, it makes sense now.

You must know that the car, by it's self is a great car even before the GTO stickers, it's fast, it's well put together, but as it being an import to America and being sold off as an American legend it's False, and misrepresented.

I see, since Ferrari used "GTO" as a name for a car that says Pontiac stold it....Gran Turismo Omologato, so Play Station stold Gran Turismo, no it's just a name.
In your head and most of the rest of you, think that since the car "ChevyAussiGTO" is fast, that it should be called a GTO, and thats all you need to make up your minds about it, ....it's fast....

Lots of cars are fast, and they all have a allmost religious feeling at the show room, it's the engine and the car, not the car and the engine it's not me saying this, it's just how it's allways been. Some of you have some wild engine orgy of engines and car thing going on, some of you could not care on pushrod about what engine is in the car.

I think some of you who own that BASTARD or fatherless car had the same kinda high that Nazis had pulling gold out of dead soldiers teeth, "Gold is Gold" "Fast is Fast" GM, Chevy and the Aussis pulled the gold out of the dead PMD GTO, it's the 3M sticker on the car, and to REAL Pontiac People it's like seeing Dead GI Teeth Gold.

At that smallest point I can make is this :
"Pontiac never put anything but a Pontiac engine in a GTO"
"The car GM is calling a GTO now, does not have a PONTIAC engine the current engine is in the family of CHEVY"

And don't take "you know whos" word on it, he does'nt even know what a 72 GTO is.You going to cry again to the forum police because I showed how much you don't know about Pontiacs again, what a baby, he gets his name in a Pontiac book and he has a power trip and tryed to get me removed! I don't like it here and if I get booted i'm fine with it, you guys rub each others backs and run to the aid of one another without proveing me wrong, you quote me as if you answering my questions but you don't."IT'S A GTO BECAUSE GM SAYS IT IS! IT'S A GTO BECAUSE IT'S FAST!Gm says also, now they are saying they are going down the drain. I have been shutting you all down every time because one thing you can't get away from is that it's a CHEVY engine in a IMPORT being sold as a Pontiac GTO!

IT DOSE NOT HAVE A PONTIAC ENGINE!

Now I know other "Super Cars" tend to use any "fast" engine they can get to power the cars they make, but the great ones don't and we all know the Great One will allways be known as the GTO a PONTIAC GTO.

You can refuse what I say but never before has this car pissed off so many car people, just about every mag thats had this car in it has made a slight comment about it being imported and nonPontiac powered. GM even had to shake a cage to the Pontiac people to put the words "PONTIAC" on the dam car!!!!Good Night people can you READ??????????Jag never got this kinda coverage when America bought it!

Sure GM calls it a GTO, but they called the GEO metro a chevy.
How many times has Pontiac changed it's logan? It's a GM hore, it has no real good cars since "F body". Now with the new 2 seater Chevy had taken the that car over to it's area to to fit it with a Small block, it's not being done at a Pontiac Plant, it may be massed in a Pontiac Plant but the mock up was Chevy. If GM does not go under soon then Pontiac's name will go after Buick as Olds did.

I love America more then anybody, but the BS cars like the ChevyAussiGTO GM is selling is digging it's own demise with LIES and poor cars and trucks, this "anything go's" cars without soles crap is it's end.

You can get a Dodge engine in a Dodge, you can get a Ford engine in a Ford and so on, but you can't get a Pontiac engine in a Pontiac!

It's a GM lie backed with 3M tape! GM RIP

Anybody else notice that this guy can't spell. I may be young but wow. And he kinda makes it embarassing to be a pontiac guy. I used to be able to take pride in it. Thanks Bud

i know this is an old thread , but its just a car its all marketing and getting people to believe all the BS that comes out of the marketing Execs at GM.

GM is looking for somthing they can charge 35 40 50000$ w/e they are charging for the GTO so that they can make up for the loss of revenue over the past years, and its shitty they have there vehicles made overseas or what not but its from a business stand point would you rather go broke or fire some people so you can live the good life its the people at the top that decide that fate of people at the bottom always has been always will be, thats the way the world works, and when you ahve a couple million investors and the whole world watching you gotta keep the investors happy.

Yea they do. I know they are made in Aus but I still like them. You should check out the rest of the Holden line-up. The Ute is pretty interesting, kinda amodern day el-camino. And definitly check out the Holden Efijy. That car is amazing.

The new GTO i like it is a little to similar to the look of a grand prix just with a different body kit, and i wouldnt mind driving one but its not gonna happen anytime soon, i actually got a glipse at the new not the charger damn the uhhh... Challenger i think Chrysler came back out with and honestly its a nice looking version for a modern day remake of a classic and the power that they have in that car geez. Some people get carried away with there opinion and go to far, history is important but change is good and the new Gen vehicles there coming out with, some are gonna be horrible looking and pointless and some are gonna be the new classics in a couple of years.
Im done in this thread though i just came across it and read the guys posts whos banned now just to check it out and i ended up putting my two cents in anyways.

Peace...

So what's the deal with all these people all of a sudden saying: "don't buy a GTO...; they're not going to make them after this year!!!"

What does that matter? Does it mean that you don't get a 3-year warranty then, or something? I don't get it.... I am considering picking up a brand-new '05 for $27K and just racing it around until the Camaro comes out....but now I see all these GTOs being sold, and people saying "don't buy one; 2006 is the last year!", so that makes me reluctant. Take a look on AutoTrader, and see how many used '05 GTOs are being sold right now.....it's incredible!

So is there a good reason NOT to purchase one? (Besides the lack of heated seats, heated mirrors, auto-dimming mirrors, navigation, manumatic shifting with A/T, FIVE or SIX gears with A/T, stability control, or MAYBE A SUNROOF? Guess they don't have sunroofs in Aust. because a dingo or kangaroo could just jump right in if it's open...)

True, 2006 is the last of the Aussy built GTO's. It was known since day one that there would be a 3 year run of the Aussy built GTO, that was the deal GM struck with the UAW. It was always planned to have a north American built GTO in MY08 and a 2007 was never planned.

I don't know why people act so surprised when they hear this...

So what's the deal with all these people all of a sudden saying: "don't buy a GTO...; they're not going to make them after this year!!!"

What does that matter? Does it mean that you don't get a 3-year warranty then, or something? I don't get it.... I am considering picking up a brand-new '05 for $27K and just racing it around until the Camaro comes out....but now I see all these GTOs being sold, and people saying "don't buy one; 2006 is the last year!", so that makes me reluctant. Take a look on AutoTrader, and see how many used '05 GTOs are being sold right now.....it's incredible!

So is there a good reason NOT to purchase one? (Besides the lack of heated seats, heated mirrors, auto-dimming mirrors, navigation, manumatic shifting with A/T, FIVE or SIX gears with A/T, stability control, or MAYBE A SUNROOF? Guess they don't have sunroofs in Aust. because a dingo or kangaroo could just jump right in if it's open...)

Don't buy one if you don't like power and handling, high gear rubber, comfortable seats and enjoy eating Mustangs or anything else that Goat's like. This car is wicked and not for teenagers, old men, grandma or daddy's little girl. This car is serious business. Go ahead and believe what you hear. The only thing you will see is 6.0. Cheers:yugosmili