Trying to picture infinity

Have you ever tried to thinik of somthing this size, i have, but then i realize that what im thinking of is infinity times too small, so i think bigger, and bigger, and bigger............then my brain pops..............:bloated:

and have you ever thought there may be more than 1 infinity?? :D

Originally posted by igor@af
and have you ever thought there may be more than 1 infinity?? :D

:huh:

Originally posted by igor@af
and have you ever thought there may be more than 1 infinity?? :D

Awww, crap! What if they overlap?

What always freaks me out is trying to picture the existence of nothing. Imagine if there was no universe, no planets, no stars, no light, no matter, nothing to even establish the perception of a time frame. That freaks me out.

The problem with us is that we try to measure everything. You can not do that. Why not you say? B/c there is no way to achieve perfect, infinite precision in any measurement, thus derailing any math or time to a certain degree. Thus, if inifinite precision is not achieved then infinity cannot be percieved rationally within normal state of mind. You would have to look at it through different spectrums and views that take it a step at a time. The perception of time is different in every person, thus creating an individual time vortex. This vortex would shift according to the rational numerical time (its base) and the perception of time to the person (its length). Say your really anxious for a present or something special. The time allotment (numerically) is 4 hours. But those 4 hours seem like 4 days (to give an example). The longer the amount of time seems the flatter, more pancake like the vortex is. Remember, the base is at a fixxed diameter, thus no shifting width-wise. However, when you get that special something, time flys by, and the vortex expands and expands depending on how fast it flys by according to that person.

Thats just one of my theories on time and on infinity. My other is the cyclonic theory.

Think about a hurricane, and how its cycles work. Air and moisture is sucked up through the eye, and swirled out. Time can be represented by that as well, easily in fact. After the air and moisture reaches the brim of the clouds, it comes back down, then under, then through the eye. Thus a swirling cycle that also spurs mini cyclonic storms. Time spurs its own mini cyclonic storms. Each person has their own time (like stated in Vortex theory), thus creating their own cyclonic storm. Think of general, numerical time as the Hurricane, and your time as the mini-storm. See how these things are spurred from the larger being, then shift?

I have been drained..allow me to recharge..:D

Trying to picture nothig is the other thing that blows my mind, no color, its not black or white, no time, not even space!

ouch, brain cramp, ouch, ouch, ouch

YOU ARE ALL WRONG IN YOUR ANSWERS :)
http://www.users.qwest.net/~bkc3/infinitilogo.jpg

Originally posted by wicked
YOU ARE ALL WRONG IN YOUR ANSWERS :)
http://www.users.qwest.net/~bkc3/infinitilogo.jpg


Umm yeah. ok
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Moppie



Umm yeah. ok
:rolleyes:

hehe, I thought it was a little funny.

Originally posted by kbslacker
hehe, I thought it was a little funny.

I figured I'd see you do it first, kbslacker! You're pretty quick with the pix. I thought of it myself. ;)

Originally posted by kbslacker


hehe, I thought it was a little funny.

So did I, for about 2seconds.
Then it just looked silly. After all the actualy infinity symbol is this:
(dont hassel my 30sec free form!!)

Originally posted by Moppie
dont hassel my 30sec free form!!

That took you 30 seconds?

He is ..um... how should I delicately put it... "mentally retarded"

Originally posted by igor@af
He is ..um... how should I delicately put it... "mentally retarded"

Igor, I need my meds now! IGOR? IGOR ? where are you man! oh there you are.

Actualy it took 15sec for my retaded comp to load "MSpiant", and then 3sec to draw, and then 12sec to upload the pic on my SLOW crappy conection.


oh thanks IGOR, I feel so much better after those pills.

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:frog:
:alien2:

Hehehehheeh funny faces, :D

i dont like to think too much. it kills brain cells....

Originally posted by hermunn123
i dont like to think too much. it kills brain cells....

Actualy it been proven that useing your mind is the best way to create brain cells when your still very young, and the best way to maintain use of your brain as you age.
Is you don't use it will Rot, and turn into a yellow waxy substance that oozzes out your ears. :D

You can't picture infinity it's too big you stupid b@$%@&#. There is a number you can picture which is 23.

Originally posted by igor@af
He is ..um... how should I delicately put it... "mentally retarded"
good one!!I ran out of ideas

Is you don't use it will Rot, and turn into a yellow waxy substance that oozzes out your ears.


coooool....

i was actually just joking

infinity hmmmmm the only thing i can think of is the empty space inbetween my ears

I don't think its possible for the human mind to picture infiniti, but if you want to get some idea of inifiniti try this:

1) Get in front of a mirror
2) Grab another mirror and hold it in front of mirror 1
3) Look into mirror one so that you can see mirror 2
4) Look into semi-infiniti
* note: effect only works for a finite distance, but the effect is cool nevertheless....

If this doesn't make sense, tell me and i'll try to clarify...

If you can only see for a finite distance then its hardly infinity. :D

I know what you mean though. Mirrors are cool, especially when they're on the floor and you walk on them.

Originally posted by Lizard King
If you can only see for a finite distance then its hardly infinity. :D

I know what you mean though. Mirrors are cool, especially when they're on the floor and you walk on them.


ahh you just like mirrored floors when the hot girls with skirts and no panties show up:D :D :D

Let's not delve on infinity for too long, too many mathematicians go insane trying to explain and describe it.

The "human race" has to finite of a mind and it is also to narrow to even come close to comprehending infinity no matter how smart you may be.

here. look at a grain of sand. then think about that, zoomed out 10 times. then zoom out another 10x. Keep doing this forever.

Originally posted by blatch
here. look at a grain of sand. then think about that, zoomed out 10 times. then zoom out another 10x. Keep doing this forever.

WHY?!?

the human mind is to 3 dimensional to understand infinity let alone know what it is. it truely is beyond our power and scope at this level of evolution so all we can do is guess what it really is.

there are actually many theorized forms of infinity though, like the infinity symbol (1 dimensional), or a simple sphere (3 dimensional), or the attempt to explain a given amount of space in contrast to a starting and ending point (depth dependant), or space as a whole (multidimensional).


infinity is actually my basis for a belief in a higher power although i wont go into that.

Originally posted by igor@af
and have you ever thought there may be more than 1 infinity?? :D
There are. A lot of them in fact. At least to mathematicians. They call infinity "aleph" (the greek letter "A"). The different infinities actually have different sizes (some are just more infinite than others) mathematicians call this its "cardinality":

aleph naught (or aleph zero, cardinality zero, the smallest infinity - aka "countable infinity", example: "How many Integer numbers are there?")

aleph one (a larger infinity, cardinality one - aka "uncountable infinity", example: "How many Real numbers are there?"

You can see how aleph one must be larger than aleph naught from the examples. There are an infinite number of real numbers between each two integers. If there are aleph naught integers, there are infinitely more reals (aka aleph one)!

It turns out that you can keep constructing larger and larger cardinalities of infinities, the next would be aleph two, then aleph three, etc. Here's the kicker - according to Cantor's continuum hypothesis, there are aleph one number of possible alephs. This has never been proven, but is generally accepted as it seems to work well -- there are an uncountable infinite number of sizes of infinity! :eek:


But that's all just in theory, AFAIK, there is nothing in our reality that is truly infinite. The current universe isn't infinitely large nor infinitely old, you can't chop matter up into infinite bits nor can you keep subdividing time infinitely. Everything is quantized. Not necessarily accurately measureable, but quantized.

Infinity is a fun game, and really useful when you want to represent relatively large numbers in math instead of carrying all those zeros around. But it's true meaning is quite limited.
:smoker2:

PS> Here's another kick in the pants - Godel proved that Cantor's continuum hypothesis can be neither proved nor disproved!!! Funky, eh? :huh:

Even as the finite encloses an infinite series
And in the unlimited limits appear,
So the soul of immensity dwells in minuta
And in the narrowest limits, no limits inhere
What joy to discern the minute in infinity!
The vast to perceive in the small, what Divinity!

– Jakob Bernoulli

IanMalcom - you should read some Robert Anton Wilson. I think you'd like his reality constructs. Something like "Prometheus Rising":
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=15CZAXA8TS&mscssid=FNDNHQKJRP5F8KXVA7MWCXWDJLH47HAC&isbn=1561840564

Have fun! :smoker2:

Originally posted by fritz_269
It turns out that you can keep constructing larger and larger cardinalities of infinities, the next would be aleph two, then aleph three, etc. Here's the kicker - according to Cantor's continuum hypothesis, there are aleph one number of possible alephs. This has never been proven, but is generally accepted as it seems to work well -- there are an uncountable infinite number of sizes of infinity! :eek:So that means one can speak of Ü(1.5)?

And Ü(2) is what? Imaginary numbers? Like Ü(sqrt(-2))? LOL!!!

edit: my alephs got messed up by the character set. :(

Originally posted by jay@af
So that means one can speak of Ü(1.5)?Well, people generally don't use that terminology, but I see where you got that, and yes - there is a one-to-one mapping between the real numbers (aleph one) and the number of infinities (aleph one). In fact, that is presicely the test applied to see if one infinity is equal to another: Is there a way to make a one-to-one mapping?
And Ü(2) is what? Imaginary numbers?
Nope, there are exactly the same number of imaginaries than of reals, thus it's aleph one (one-to-one mapping). An example of aleph two is the total number of possible mathematical curves you could draw. Proving that is a little tricky, and AFAIK, there are no simple (or maybe even complex) examples of aleph three and higher. Infinity gets pretty big around there! ;)

And BTW, I made a mistake, aleph is not the Greek letter "A", but the Hebrew letter "A". And aleph naught is also often called aleph null.

Cheers! :smoker2:

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Originally posted by fritz_269
An example of aleph two is the total number of possible mathematical curves you could draw. Proving that is a little tricky, and AFAIK, there are no simple (or maybe even complex) examples of aleph three and higher. Infinity gets pretty big around there! ;) So aleph three would be the total number of all the 3D planes you could plot?

Geez! :eek: Good stuff!! :silly:

Originally posted by jay@af
So aleph three would be the total number of all the 3D planes you could plot?
Nope, that would be aleph one.

Aleph two is the number of n-dimensional curves you could plot. Where n is infinite (aleph one).

There are no known simple examples of aleph three.
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Originally posted by 1989 DX R
See my post above. :rolleyes:

Try getting a life.

If you dont want to understand it, and have issues and insecurities about your own mental ablities then go else where, we dont need you making BS posts in here.

actually, what always boggles my mind is the concept of "what comes next". i fully believe in life after death. hell, Heaven, the whole bit. but trying to picture "burning for all eternity" or "living in Heaven for the rest of eternity" is very very hard to comprehend.

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Originally posted by 1989 DX R
I know my calculus and physics well enough to not care about infinity. It's obvious you don't. :angryfire
The concept of infinity is absolutely fundamental to newtonian calculus and physics. Why do you think they teach you about limit theory in chapter ONE of every calc textbook? For that matter, why would there be an infinity symbol in the fundamental theorem of calculus?

Shouting "WHO CARES" with a huge annoying picture is rude and disrespectful. Some of us are trying to have an intelligent conversation about things that actually do have meaning and worth; whether you care about it or not.

Don't think you know any of us either. We have a fine sense of humor. You're just not funny. :(

DUH! I just give up. It seems this post is going to infinity...:rolleyes:


Sorry about my shittiness, just that finals are gettin to my brain, and warping it at a tremendous rate. I just had enough antiderivatives today to make one's brain ooze out their ears. Just for that, i think i will withdraw my splendid picture from this post. Sorry guys for being an ass.

No hard feelings. Sorry I went off... :( But thanks for taking the picture down.

About 10 minutes after I shut down the computer I realized I actually even got it wrong, the fundametal theorem of calculus has no infinity symbol in it. I was thinking of the definition of the definite integral (the infinite limit of the Reimann sum). Whoops.

Good luck on your finals.
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Yeah, today we were doing limits, and boy did i see our friend infinity alot. The little bastard kept poppin up all over the place. :D

Originally posted by 1989 DX R
The little bastard kept poppin up all over the place. :D LOL! You called infinity "little!" :p :silly2:

I believe I have failed to "picture infinity." :eek:

Well, infinty isnt THAT big...




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I'm scurred :bloated: Infinity just plain scares me, especially when fritz explains it. All that information makes me want to drop to the floor and suck my thumb in fetal position.

And in reference to the whole heaven and hell thing... I always think about that. That is why I choose to go to heaven and worry about what it will be like to picture living in complete harmony forever. As apposed to living in hell and burning in complete darkness for eternity :eek:

Originally posted by 91HBSi
I'm scurred :bloated: Infinity just plain scares me, especially when fritz explains it. All that information makes me want to drop to the floor and suck my thumb in fetal position.I seem to have that effect on people... ;)
And in reference to the whole heaven and hell thing... I always think about that. That is why I choose to go to heaven and worry about what it will be like to picture living in complete harmony forever. As apposed to living in hell and burning in complete darkness for eternity :eek: Sounds pretty boring either way...

:angel: :sleep: :angryfire

Flames bad :devil:

Originally posted by hermunn123
i dont like to think too much. it kills brain cells....

Using your mind add brain cells, getting tanked kills brain cells :)

You obviously is a poster boy for the latter :toothless

:huh:

Originally posted by 91HBSi
Flames bad :devil:

Actually, one of the original depictions of Hell was that of ice!!!! :eek:

But that's another thread!