Camaro noob here.

yeah, I know

don't flame me please (even though you seem like a nice bunch)

but I'm looking for a camaro but I have a few questions to ask before I decide what to buy

I want a 98-02 gen (thats 5 right?) preferrably a V6, and I'm wondering if it can beat an 03 stock Mustang (V6 as well) if not, how much work will it take?

What do you think would be the difference in insurance in a 97 Corolla and a 98 Camaro V6. And how much more for a V8 monthly?

Lastly, how many miles will the vehicle be good for? I'm looking to drive it about 7 years until I'm out of college and hopefully making a handsome salary.

thanks for all the help, I really don't know much about cars at all, but I want to change that, thats why I'm here!

yeah, I know

don't flame me please (even though you seem like a nice bunch)

but I'm looking for a camaro but I have a few questions to ask before I decide what to buy

I want a 98-02 gen (thats 5 right?) preferrably a V6, and I'm wondering if it can beat an 03 stock Mustang (V6 as well) if not, how much work will it take?

What do you think would be the difference in insurance in a 97 Corolla and a 98 Camaro V6. And how much more for a V8 monthly?

Lastly, how many miles will the vehicle be good for? I'm looking to drive it about 7 years until I'm out of college and hopefully making a handsome salary.

thanks for all the help, I really don't know much about cars at all, but I want to change that, thats why I'm here!

98-02 is the 2nd half of the 4th gen which was 93-02. In 98 they did a "facelift" to stay in competition with the mustangs. It shouldn't take much at all to beat a stock 03 Mustang. Heck I've seen slightly modified V6's even beat V8 Mustangs. Try an intake and cat-back exhaust for starters.

Difference in insurance.. try alot. Sports car + young male = rediculously large payments. My recommendation.. try to get on your parents insurance. My payments are $207 a month, and every other insurance company out there quotes me at over $300 a month. So good luck with that.

As for how long the vehicle will be good for. Well that depends on alot of factors. If you buy one that the previous owner took real good care of, and you continue to take excellent care off, then there's no telling how long that car will last you. But all in all, if you take good care of your car, then it will always take good care of you.

Good luck, and welcome to Automotive Forums!

^Basicly covered everything The more 98+ Camaros are what you should be looking for, they'll beat a V6 Mustang in the HP rating but it wont take many mods to walk away in a race.

Heck I've seen slightly modified V6's even beat V8 Mustangs.

What? You must be talking about the 74 Mustang II. That V-8 only came with a 2 barrel carb and something like 110 or 120 HP. From the late 70's, early 80's on they had 200 plus HP and kept going up. I don't see how a slightly modified V-6 Camaro can beat a V-8 Mustang. Maybe I'm missing something here. :dunno:

Anyway good luck in your car search MPe488, and welcome aboard! :wave:

Insurance mostely looks at stolen rates. Its diff in every state.

Yeah, plus its a V6 so they wont think much of it, hopefully.

What? You must be talking about the 74 Mustang II. That V-8 only came with a 2 barrel carb and something like 110 or 120 HP. From the late 70's, early 80's on they had 200 plus HP and kept going up. I don't see how a slightly modified V-6 Camaro can beat a V-8 Mustang. Maybe I'm missing something here. :dunno:

Anyway good luck in your car search MPe488, and welcome aboard! :wave:
I was thinking the same thing.....ex just intake and exhaust is slightely modified and i highly doubt thats going to beat any v8 mustang

Well actually he could, Newer Mustangs dont got that high of a HP rating

Its too late for a debate between the only two people logged on this forum. Good night....

well year to year it couldnt beat it, but suppose you got some intake and some exhaust work done, then that 98 to 02 V6 could more than hold its own in a race with a 98 mustang GT

What? You must be talking about the 74 Mustang II. That V-8 only came with a 2 barrel carb and something like 110 or 120 HP. From the late 70's, early 80's on they had 200 plus HP and kept going up. I don't see how a slightly modified V-6 Camaro can beat a V-8 Mustang. Maybe I'm missing something here. :dunno:

Anyway good luck in your car search MPe488, and welcome aboard! :wave:

Why would I be talking about a 74 Mustang...?? I've seen a dozen times at the local track here, a V6 Camaro/Firebird (mainly just the 3.8's) beating a V8 Mustang in the 1/4 mile. Most of them don't have many mods. Mainly just headers, catback, intake, etc. Just simple bolt-ons. Of course, most of the mustangs they beat are stock, and are driven by a guy who just bought the thing and feels like trying to show off.. but even still. It's not an uncommon sight man. Plus, just read up on some of the old threads here in the forums, you'll find countless stories of some of the V6 guys beating mustangs.

thanks for your help guys, is there any easy way to find out how much my insurance will climb? or will i have to get a quote?

BTW how much will the color affect it, both the good deals I found were navy blue and white

I dont think the color affects anything as long as it kick ass.

Good Call....Ralley Sport 92
=)

I could see the newer v6 camaros beating some V8 mustangs. The 96-98 were shamefully slow even more so with an automatic. A 99+ with manual could run a low 14 stock(I have heard of sparse claims of high 13's), but even then the automatic was nearly a second slower. I could totally see a V6 camaro beating a V8. The only V8 mustangs that are sort of out or reach for bolt ons are the 99+manual GTs and pretty much all cobras.

Its very hard for me to see any stock V6 Camaro running 13 anything.

hey if a mustang driver supports it, it must be true :evillol:

I hope your not serious......

well seeing that i had a stock 3.8 at one time let me start by saying mines is a 96 and my friend has a 03v6 stang and from a dig both stock i killed that car. he has an auto and i have a stick, as for a 03 gt, it would have owned me and my ass. exhaust and intake gave me maybe another 20hp if that and i would have still got my ass handed to me by a gt.your talking 220 maybe to the wheels if your lucky to a 260 or so the gt has. we had this convo awhile ago and people got mad, but the truth is u have to put some money down to stomp v8 mustangs, i replaced my cam,headers,exhaust,pc,suspension,pistons,internal s that i could name for days and yes alot of money out the ying yang to do that. for about 2 grand i will say u can hang and maybe win. as for v6's they are not fast at all u should be able to get u sum if your car is well kept. oh i forgot to mention i also spray the piss out of this car (use to) so thats kindda what it takes.

I agree....
Sig today or tomorrow Phily?

damn bag you whoring it up, you have posted on every thread possible like every 5 minutes

not 2day i found out my friend has been sick so thats a no go ill have to wait i hope 2morrow. and if a 3800 is doing 13's he's spraying, thats bottom line! camaro that is...i know some 3800 cars come with turbo's like the g.n. but our cars dont do that without a crazy power adder....

get a 1st gen...then youll be cool like me.

im sure your insurance will jump a bit, i know mine did. It all depends. Color does sometimes matter, but mostly that applies to Red cars. If your car is red then it most likly be a little bit more then a white car.

My 3400 Grand Am GT kept up with a SOHC Mustang GT to 75. :lol:
Not sure, but I would guess it was an auto.

And to think my Trans Am is about 4 seconds faster to a 1/4 mile than my Grand Am.

Also the 96-98 GTs were low 15 second cars, they had 215-225hp and 285 for torque, but it was all at high rpm (basicly rated the same as the 5.0 but with a much weaker torque curve). You don't have to be anywhere near a 13 to take one of them stock. They can be made as fast even have a minute edge on a 99+ if they use the heads and intake manifold from a 99. However if a V6 camaro can run a low 15 I could definately see them giving one of those model years a run.

you guys seem to be misunderstanding me, I'm looking to race an 03 V6, not a GT I know my engine will take a lot of work to boost the HP that high and the whole reason I'm getting the V6 is the fuel economy and the lower insurance. So I'm not looking to spend much at all.

BTW, I don't even know what you mean by "spraying" and yeah, I am a noob, so if you have patience explaining this stuff it'll be appreciated.

what they mean by spraying is nos. nitrous oxide. like the blue bottle you see in most imports or on some sweet domestic cars. also they sell nos bottles that hold a subwoofer so it looks like you got nos but you actually have a sound system. basially nos injects a gas into your intake and it creates more hp cause its more combustable. so you haul ass.some other people might want to go more in depth but thats what im telling you. personaly i think its pretty expensive and you can ruin your motor and/or transmission. but it works and if you want it its great for the added hp

what they mean by spraying is nos. nitrous oxide. like the blue bottle you see in most imports or on some sweet domestic cars. also they sell nos bottles that hold a subwoofer so it looks like you got nos but you actually have a sound system. basially nos injects a gas into your intake and it creates more hp cause its more combustable. so you haul ass.some other people might want to go more in depth but thats what im telling you. personaly i think its pretty expensive and you can ruin your motor and/or transmission. but it works and if you want it its great for the added hp

Hey 88. This is how I do it...Go online check the forum, reply on all I can then wait for a little while to get replies. If no replies im off, if replies im on until either my computer turns off or until I cant think..lol
Not that extreme but thats the gist.
Im going for the 4th star :iceslolan
About the V6, ive seen a V6 supercharged, I dont know the boost in HP but its faster. It was posted once before.
IM ON FIRE..... :rofl:

thanks for that 88cam project, I know what Nos is but I've never heard that term before.

hopefully my last noob question... do you guys know where I can go online to read up about cars and learn something about what's actually going on under the hood? I've been incredibly ignorant to such matters (as you can probablly tell) for a long time, and before I buy a nice car I wanna know more about all cars.

well, for learning about cars, i suggest going to the tech section of automotive magazines. they have websites with databases.

www.chevyhiperformance.com
www.hotrod.com
www.superchevy.com

etc. etc.

do searches on their articles on beginners tech, and general topics of information. you should be able to find enough to keep you buisy.

but to answer your question, it would seem if you want to take the V6 stang, youd be fine, and take him easily and be able to give the V8 a run for its money.

thanks for the help 89IROC, but how much work would I need to "take the V6 stang" and "give the V8 a run for its money."?

I'm trying to spend as little as possible so I still have gas money, insurance money, and a decent amount in my pockets by the time I go off to college.

ok, let me say it again, it would seem that...

no work is necessary

to take the other V6 stangs and challenge the V8 mustangs. Just according to what everyone else is saying. I personally dont know.

98-02 is the 2nd half of the 4th gen which was 93-02. In 98 they did a "facelift" to stay in competition with the mustangs. It shouldn't take much at all to beat a stock 03 Mustang. Heck I've seen slightly modified V6's even beat V8 Mustangs. Try an intake and cat-back exhaust for starters.

Difference in insurance.. try alot. Sports car + young male = rediculously large payments. My recommendation.. try to get on your parents insurance. My payments are $207 a month, and every other insurance company out there quotes me at over $300 a month. So good luck with that.

As for how long the vehicle will be good for. Well that depends on alot of factors. If you buy one that the previous owner took real good care of, and you continue to take excellent care off, then there's no telling how long that car will last you. But all in all, if you take good care of your car, then it will always take good care of you.

Good luck, and welcome to Automotive Forums!
Wow I pay $70 a month.

Im 18 and drive a V6 Firebird :D

Sorry 88Cam I hope I'm not frustrating anyone, but atleast you get to improve your post count right?

with the 3800 v6 you should be able to walk the dog on a 03 mustang v6, i wish i would have raced my old 03 gt against my camaro while it was stock so i could tell u how u may do but i didnt, now my car is built my room mate wont race me with her so i have no idea what i would do against a good driver. the ones i race on the road i dont know how good the other driver's were, and i dont know what they had done to the cars either and after i spank them i never stop 2 talk to them because why would i want to know what they had because it wasnt enough. you should be able to "keep up" if u can drive, but winning is a no no, thats with a 00-04gt, a hell no with the new ones! 90's gt's they are rated around what a 3800 is so u should be ok it will be a race of drivers. but like i said no problem with the v6 stangs at all.

thanks for that 88cam project, I know what Nos is but I've never heard that term before.

hopefully my last noob question... do you guys know where I can go online to read up about cars and learn something about what's actually going on under the hood? I've been incredibly ignorant to such matters (as you can probablly tell) for a long time, and before I buy a nice car I wanna know more about all cars.

Try going to www.howstuffworks.com. Just go up to the search bar and type in engines. That site's got everything you'll ever wanna know about cars. From showing you how Rotory engines work to how manual transmissions work. It's a nice site. Check it out.

Im gonna check that out, thanks Blindxeyed

No prob. That's where I went to learn about cars when I first started getting into them. Heck, I even printed out every page I could find that had to do with engines and filled up and entire 1 1/2 in. binder.

No prob. That's where I went to learn about cars when I first started getting into them. Heck, I even printed out every page I could find that had to do with engines and filled up and entire 1 1/2 in. binder.
Nice....

#400thanks to u blindxeyed :biggrin:

you guys should go to bed

thanks blindx, I'll be sure to spend a few hours there this summer.

mpe488 im not getting annoyed i just felt like being a whore and stating the very obvious and let him know he is being a whore just o keep him awake, whores need to look ou for whores. and ummm im looking for a 3800 camaro too so all this info im getting about owning on some v6 mustangs is great, i need to sell my 2.8 soon so i can own some peope other then my friends sunfire :)

ha ha he said sunfire......my homegirl had one that was bad ass, i use to drive it when my eclipse was being worked on, it was nice

aww man, I just realized late last night I'll prolly be stuck with an I4 PoS till after college (and I haven't begun 12th grade.) I got an insurance quote at $300+ with a V6, I don't know what my parents are paying know but they won't pay for my insurance if I buy a Camaro and I don't wanna be stuck with that payment.

aww man, I just realized late last night I'll prolly be stuck with an I4 PoS till after college (and I haven't begun 12th grade.) I got an insurance quote at $300+ with a V6, I don't know what my parents are paying know but they won't pay for my insurance if I buy a Camaro and I don't wanna be stuck with that payment.
A month??? Good lord.

Check other places out man. When I was 22 my WS.6 was $218 a month for full coverage. Getting older now, and it is $90 a month full.

Ask your parents if the car can be on their insurance if you pay for it. That should save a TON!

aww man, I just realized late last night I'll prolly be stuck with an I4 PoS till after college (and I haven't begun 12th grade.) I got an insurance quote at $300+ with a V6, I don't know what my parents are paying know but they won't pay for my insurance if I buy a Camaro and I don't wanna be stuck with that payment.

Heh, that's Florida for ya (noticed you live in Miami, im in Jax). All the quotes I got were well over $300. That's why I suggested that you try to get on your parents insurance. It'll still be kind of high, but cheaper than the quotes are.

im paying 2000 a year for my 2.8 camaro, the company just goes by the records of camaros. yo blindxeyed my brother goes to college in jax, he goes to unfhes getting a house for next year.

im paying 2000 a year for my 2.8 camaro, the company just goes by the records of camaros. yo blindxeyed my brother goes to college in jax, he goes to unfhes getting a house for next year.

Sweet. Yeah I've got another year to finish up at the local community college here and then I'm transferring over to UNF.

I don't think I can have my insurance coupled with my parents, I know my school won't allow me to get a decal if my car isn't under my name, but does that mean I can't be on my parents plan?

You can have the car in your name and hte insurance with your parents. It will get some deductions and the car will be all yours.

Check out what coverages you have, if you have a loan/lease you are requirired to have comp & collision. I have a loan so my insurance went from 100 a mo to 160 a mo in cali for a 20 yr old w/ a v6

my insurance on my 94 v6 is like 800 for 6 months

thats MD and im a 17/m

its sucks mostly cuz im poor

Until you are 25 you are rated as a higher insurance bracket which bumps your insurance ALOT, after 25 you get a significant decrease.

California insurance sucks!!!

Lol can't you ever be positive bag? and yes, yes it does suck.

Am I that negative?

paying for insurance in general sucks...until you need it. I dont know what mine is because im with my parents but i just give them 160 a month. I live in Orlando, FL which screws me over in that sense cuz it bumps the rate up so high. Another difference is how much health liability coverage you have and if your own car is covered.

Am I that negative?

lol sometimes, but i'm just giving you a hard time too :evillol:

paying for insurance in general sucks...until you need it. I dont know what mine is because im with my parents but i just give them 160 a month. I live in Orlando, FL which screws me over in that sense cuz it bumps the rate up so high. Another difference is how much health liability coverage you have and if your own car is covered.

I think insurance companies are my least favorite of anything, ever. Seriously, you pay them so that they can pay you back when you need it right? Except when you get into an accident and you need it your premiums rise incredibly, or they just stop covering you. It's practically impossible to win. No matter how much they pay you back, you're always giving them more than you're getting in return. I definitely sympathize for criminals that pull insurance fraud, those evil corporations have it coming. The worst part is they always make it seem like they're the good guys, protecting you from a huge financial burden as they're sucking the life out of your wallet.

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Lol the </rant> kicked it off, my friend you get a cookie,

Anyways I think you are right, insurance companies are bastards and you are never going to even get half of what you spend back, its just going to some jerk's pocket.

though whne in need and you do get totaled insurance is better then nothing.