!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And Xp3 Lives!!!!!!!!

From a closed list I am a member of...this happened yesterday
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driving into work about 8.00 on the m20 comming into london just off the M25 and coming the other way 2 x maclarens (one in the gulf colours) and a sagaris I wonder what they were doing probably doing a shoot for evo and are heading for the chunnel tunnel.

I wanted to turn the car around and chase them but i was late for work.

made my day
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Sweeeet

These were posted on the supercarfrance forum. Thanks to the user "track" for the pics


http://img189.echo.cx/my.php?image=mclrenf1gtrporte6ah.jpg

http://www.image-dream.com/image.php?image=1117916049-mclarenf1.jpg

http://www.image-dream.com/image.php?image=1117916104-mclarenF1gtr.jpg

http://img65.echo.cx/my.php?image=photo4926copie4jw.jpg

http://www.image-dream.com/image.php?image=1117913876-2mclarenF1gtr.jpg


Seems like the Harrods car will need a new front already :(

Trully amazing!!! great PICTURES!!!
th harrods street looks very nice!!! i already bought yesterday another 1/18 mclaren harrods to take off the decals and make it street version!!!
:)

thanks for the pics!!!!

Cool pictures, thanks. We already knew that XP3 was alive, right? Was there any doubt? Wasn't it confirmed a while ago that GM had it?

Also, anyone know what event this was? Looks like there were some other nice cars there as well. I am also very sure the location is in Paris. It reminds me of the courtyard of some museum or some public place. I can't make out anything except the word "2006" on the sticker/plackard/thingamajig.

wow!!!!!!!

Shame you couldnt take pics!

Were they both streetversions?
What was the other McLaren? color?

I hope it will be for en EVO article, cause I'm a subscriber of that great mag:-)

I hope to spot a McLaren in 3 weeks at Goodwood Festival of Speed!!!

Sure enough, there's the TVR Sagaris on the right in one of the shots...Mod, can we merge the two threads?

I can't make out anything except the word "2006" on the sticker/plackard/thingamajig.

Actually, it looks like the sticker/plackard/thingamajigs say "2005 ALFRED DUNHILL."

Hello,

I am happy and unhappy :) :(

I know Track and call him when a friend "OC" announce me there were 3 F1 and TVR Sagaris on Place Vendome in Paris where Ritz hotel is located.
I was at 400 km of Paris at a track for a special event with Ferrari GTO, SWB, P4, F40, F40 GTE, Enzo, F50, Porsche 962C, Ferrari F1 x4, Tyrell F1 and many others ! I made the return fast with my S2k with 2 Stradale and I arrive too late Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I only follow the two trucks which contain F1s and saw nothing.

I am happy that Track made these incredible pics of a unique event !

Ciao
Phil

Hello,

the answer is given on the other post :( Harrods and 10R

What was the event? I am sure it was more than just come and park your nice cars at Place Vendome.

What was the event? I am sure it was more than just come and park your nice cars at Place Vendome.

Well there is such a thing as the "Alfred Dunhill Classic", but I'm fairly certain that is a golfing event.

Previous runnings of the Supercar Rally have started at that same location.

Looks like Gordon keeps XP3 immaculate - glad to see it still has the prototype markings. :cool:

>8^)
ER

A link with Dunhill and a party at British Ambassy ! I saw the trucks to leave :(

Ciao
Phil

Nice, now why did they need trucks? Surely all the cars could have been driven?

:eek: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:


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Looks like XP3 hit somethign too :confused:



Also notice the Rocket Car in some of the pics

Awesome!!! Thanks for posting, I really enjoyed these pics. I wonder if the black mark on the front of XP3 is from the exhaust of some other car (or the truck it was in if it was not driven the whole way), and not something that the car hit.

Awesome!!! Thanks for posting, I really enjoyed these pics. I wonder if the black mark on the front of XP3 is from the exhaust of some other car (or the truck it was in if it was not driven the whole way), and not something that the car hit.

yeah it seems the ex-harrods hit something...in the first pic it looks ok and in the second one looks front destroyed.:(
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/img1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/jvcardesign/f1gtr8za.jpg
and the XP3 seems like a motorcycle exhaust or something it's not a hit. better to be dust rather than a hit. it would be a shame...
BTW, great pictures....one of the best!. thank you

If it was an animal or something, the storage compartment would not be misaligned. The carbon fibre is too strong for that. And if he hit a curb, then the grille would not be pushed in, and the lower skirt would be in much worse shape. What on earth did he do??!!! Looks like he grounded out on something that started off small but ended up fairly high, and it lifted the car (from underneath). One of the fasteners protruding inside (from the bottom) that the grille was fastened to must have moved around or gotten ripped out. Also looks like the front storage compartment got a good tweak, and lost a retaining clip or something on one side.

Either that or the car was driven into something low and protruding. It crunched the front bodyshell support column by the grille and pushed the grille in...maybe moved some other things around underneath the front bonnet and caused it to be pushed upwards.

Must have been a good bash for the prepreg to register so much damage. I would love to know the story behind this (but not how much it will take to fix it)! Think it fell off the truck? :D

is the red one nick masons?

Isn't that The Man himself in this picture?
http://www.image-dream.com/up/1117916049-mclarenf1.jpg

Isn't that The Man himself in this picture?
http://www.image-dream.com/up/1117916049-mclarenf1.jpg

Yes he is. You can also see him in the background in this picture from the article:

http://www.classicdriver.com/upload/images/_uk/12493/img05pop.jpg

By the way, my thanks to everyone for finding these great photos.

Like the fact that XP3 has Mk1 VW Golf front indicators!

http://img297.echo.cx/my.php?image=f1gtrrocket1cf.jpg

http://img297.echo.cx/my.php?image=f1xp31nn.jpg

http://img297.echo.cx/my.php?image=f1xp3roule7gr.jpg

http://img299.echo.cx/img299/7361/mclrenf1gtrnickmason3ie.th.jpg (http://img299.echo.cx/my.php?image=mclrenf1gtrnickmason3ie.jpg)

Just like the strip down the center of the Harrods GTR - Gahh-reen with envy :disappoin . Oh to be able to see 'um up close. Thanks for the post. Nice shots to all who contributed :jump3:. One fine job. I know I really get ticked off when I scratch my old clunker. I can't imagine what the feeling must be when you gunch your million dollar ride. :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: . Once again great posts and thanks a ton.

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I know I really get ticked off when I scratch my old clunker. I can't imagine what the feeling must be when you gunch your million dollar ride.


Better than having it collecting dust in a museum or garage not being used. I'm going to drive mine every day when i get it. Thats what they were made for

Better than having it collecting dust in a museum or garage not being used. I'm going to drive mine every day when i get it. Thats what they were made for

Make sure to share it with the rest of us when you get it :D

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And I thought the cars on the Gumball 3000 were nice.

Great photos

I wonder if the black mark on the front of XP3 is from the exhaust of some other car (or the truck it was in if it was not driven the whole way), and not something that the car hit.

I'm thinking that is correct.

As you can see, he's parked behind this old XK120/140:

http://a2.cpimg.com/image/B2/81/48683442-b9a9-0190012C-.jpg

And the nose of the car is still clean:

http://a3.cpimg.com/image/B3/81/48683443-8b56-0190012C-.jpg

Then as he pulls away, we see the mark for the first time:

http://a7.cpimg.com/image/B7/81/48683447-00d5-0190012C-.jpg

And the Jags exhaust, highlighted a bit to make it more clear:

http://a8.cpimg.com/image/B8/81/48683448-2394-0190012C-.jpg

As for GTR 06R, that's a real bummer, but the accident seems to have happened at the event. It wouldn't surprise me if it were a low speed hit. The pieces of carbon fiber don't seem to have much damage, they're just all shifted. If the hit had been at a faster speed, then there would be more cracks or missing pieces of carbon fiber IMO.

Hopefully 10R got away from the event clean. :lol2:

Incidentally - I simply LOVE this photo!!

http://www.classicdriver.com/upload/images/_uk/12493/img01pop.jpg

I'd pay for a high res version. I'll look in to getting one, but those efforts hardly ever pay off.

>8^)
ER

yeah....i think that is what happened...the exhaust from the other jag might be the cause for the 'dust'
anyway. i really want to thank everybody about the pictures to...they are very very nice, it feels almost that you are there...hehehe :)
i wish i was....
does anybody know if any mclaren F1 exists in Italy? i'm working here as a car designer, and i never got any info about any mclaren here...

Strange, i've never heard of an F1 in Italy. There must be some there

I heard the Italians were so humiliated when the F1 simply dominated everything they had ever built that the Italian government actually passed a law, and they don't allow any McLaren F1s in the country.

Strange huh? :iceslolan

>;^)
ER

There was one kept at Lake Como for a while. Don't know if it's still there.

These photos of xp3 inspired me to sift thru the pages on this forum for information on how different it is from the regular production F1. So far I've only managed to find information saying that its engine is 660bhp as opposed to 624 on the regular F1 and that it is owned by GM himself. Could anyone share (if they know) how different XP3 is from the rest? And what makes it the fastest F1? Is it purely the more powerful engine? Why is the engine more powerful?

p.s. does anyone also think that xp3's signal lights look awesome??

XP3 should be close to full production spec now since it received a complete refit before it was given to Murray. The one outward feature that is immediately noticeable to me as being different are the front turn indicators. XP3 was the first F1 to get those sunken lights as XP1 had nothing, and XP2 had what could be considered a hackjob, with amber lenses simply screwed onto those places on the nose. Both XP4 and XP5 shared this indicator design for a short time, but have since been updated to the production spec indicators found on all other F1s. Depending on what has really happened to XP2 (still an unknown) XP3 may be the sole remaining car to have those now.

I expected that XP3 would also still have the early style wing mirrors - not the ones mounted on the a-pillar like the Clinic Model had, but just an earlier mirror design shared with the Lotus Esprit and Jag XJ220, mounted in the same location on the door. It had them originally, but as you can see it now has the later mirrors sourced from the VW Corrado. XP4 still has the original mirrors fitted as of the last time it was seen. I also know they were fitted to XP5 and chassis' #001-003. XP5 has since been updated. The last shots of #003 show it still wears them. I can't be sure whether the other two early production F1s still have them or not as there aren't any recent photographs, but I do know that by the time #007 was built, they had switched over to the final mirror.

Also, the original lower nose piece originally fitted to XP3 included the driving lamps in the center that were seen on the Clinic Model and XP1. That was swapped out with at least one other design during the development process that simply had a sinlge large opening, and then where the black trim piece is now, there was a mesh filled vent in its place. The lower nose piece on the car now appears to match the one fitted production F1, with one subtle difference - it lacks the cross bar in the larger vent opening. You have to look rather close to see that it is missing though as I nearly missed it myself.

In the rear, XP3 originally had one single taillamp on each side that was bisected with a one inch high amber stripe. XP2 and XP4 had this design from the start as well, though the Clinic Model and XP1 had been fitted with the same lamps in pairs on each side. XP5 finally returned to the paired lamp setup, but used a solid amber and solid red as is now seen on production F1s.

Also in the rear, the original rear engine cover didn't have the forward most vent fitted at the base of the main engine cover backbone - it simply had four rows of 3 inch wide vents cut into it running sideways, with about 10 in each row. XP1 and XP2 had this engine cover as well, but XP4 finally had the production piece fitted.

Lastly, from the Clinic Model through XP4, all originally had just two sets of paired horizontal vents above the exhaust outlets. The ones at to the outsides of those that now house reflectors, the rear foglight and the reverse light weren't included until XP5 came along. XP3 and XP4 both have them now though.

I've explained all of this because it shows a real effort has been made here to bring XP3 up to near production spec in the same way that XP5 has been. I'd imagine that most of what was different about XP3 that I don't know about from it's original build has also been changed. Swapping in those new indicators would have required an entire new nose piece to be fitted and I'm sure that doesn't come cheap which is probably the reason they were left alone. Maybe Gordon prefers this design though, or maybe he just preferred being unique which certainly fits with his character.

As for the engine/power questions, I don't really have a great answer so I will defer to anyone else who cares to take a crack at it. I know that Gordon Murray had made that comment about XP3 in one magazine interview but he didn't really expand on the 'why'.

>8^)
ER

p.s. does anyone also think that xp3's signal lights look awesome??

On this question, I'm going to go with 'no'. :uhoh:

From a distance in that photo I love from taken off the Classic Driver site I would say yes, but on closer inspection from one of the pictures that Chris posted they look like they don't belong. The opening has rounded corners and is slightly larger than the lens. The amber lenses that have been fitted are rectangular with hard corners, with a gap around the ouside edge. To me, it really looks like something you would find on a kitcar. :redface:

http://a0.cpimg.com/image/00/BD/48709120-352f-02580182-.jpg

Now compare it with this shot of #065 wearing the production lenses.

http://a6.cpimg.com/image/FC/BD/48709116-a678-02580182-.jpg

Notice how the lens fits the opening perfectly and even has a small rubber gasket trimming the outside edge. Also the screw heads are smaller and appear to be recessed into the lens making for a much cleaner look in my opinion. :2cents:

>8^)
ER

I do Agree with peloton.

IN MY OPINION, IF YOU PUT SOMETHING UNDER THE MAIN LIGHTS ( IN THIS CASE THE TURNING LIGHTS ), IT BETTER BE AT LEAST IN CONTINUITY, WITH THE SAME WIDE DISTANCE, IT LOOKS BETTER.

IT LOOKS MORE ORGANIZED THE PRODUCTION MCLAREN TURNING LIGHTS THAN THE ONES MURRAY HAS ON HIS CAR, IN TERMS OF DESIGN. THE LITTLE TURNING LIGHTS, AS PELOTON SAID, DON'T FIT ON THE CAR, IT SEEMS PUT THERE BECAUSE NO REASON, INSTEAD THE PRODUCTION TURNING LIGHTS SEEM TO HAVE SENSE WITH THE MAIN LIGHTS

Hello,

I saw #06R and spoke to David Clark on sunday before he came back to UK. What an amazing moment !
He told me there is a F1 in Paris :)

Ciao
Phil

Did he say what happened to the front of the Harrods car?

I think the one in Paris is the electric blue one that was auctioned off a while ago. I heard it went to France.

I have to agree with you, Erik. The signal lamps on XP3 do look less homogeneous compared to the production design. But like you pointed out, it does make the car look unique and I'd like to believe the GM appreciates that.

"it lacks the cross bar in the larger vent opening."

Wow! You've got a sharp eye!

"Also in the rear, the original rear engine cover didn't have the forward most vent fitted at the base of the main engine cover backbone - it simply had four rows of 3 inch wide vents cut into it running sideways, with about 10 in each row. XP1 and XP2 had this engine cover as well, but XP4 finally had the production piece fitted."

Do you have a picture of it? I'm having a bit of trouble visualising your description:)

"I've explained all of this because it shows a real effort has been made here to bring XP3 up to near production spec in the same way that XP5 has been."

Nevertheless, I must thank you for sharing the information. The time spent typing that entry is very appreciated!

"Also in the rear, the original rear engine cover didn't have the forward most vent fitted at the base of the main engine cover backbone - it simply had four rows of 3 inch wide vents cut into it running sideways, with about 10 in each row. XP1 and XP2 had this engine cover as well, but XP4 finally had the production piece fitted."

Do you have a picture of it? I'm having a bit of trouble visualising your description :)

I sure do - I just don't believe I have any of them hosted right now. I will include one or two later on. :cool:

One of the ones I have shows XP3 parked next to an unpainted (read: bare carbon) XP2. :22yikes: The shot could be better, but its still cool as it is the only one I have seen where XP2 isn't painted that turquoise color it wore during the crash tests. I have it in a magazine, so since I lack a scanner I will have to use the photo method to share it.

>8^)
ER

Hello,

hace you pics of the car in UK please ?
There was maybe a 4th at IK embassy !!!!!

Ciao
Phil

*hm* Yes, I do believe I have just soiled myself.


Great pics! Thanks!!

Sweeeet


In Response to an earlier discussion on ownership of this particular vehicle, Look at the driver! Gordon himself and his son in passenger.

Here's an overhead shot of the engine cover on XP3 as promised. I don't believe it was hinged - I think that it simply screwed on with some quick release fasteners so it can be lifted off to allow easy access to the engine.

http://a1.cpimg.com/image/9B/26/48744091-36bc-0207015B-.jpg

Surprisingly, unlike the first three prototypes, the Clinic Model actually wore a rear engine cover that was very close to the final production design.

Here's that shot of those two prototypes together. The source isn't printed very well, and without a scanner (I'll get one someday :rolleyes: ) I had to try very hard to capture a quality image.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/XP2_and_XP3.jpg

The caption under the photo reads:
The silver No3 prototype sits alongside unpainted No2, still black in its carbon fibre shell.

>8^)
ER

Wow I've never seen those shots before! thanks!

I'm really glad they made you moderator of this forum.

Look at all those people standing around with their hands in their pockets--doing nothing. :D

Nice pics--never seen them before.

Isn't that The Man himself in this picture?
http://www.image-dream.com/up/1117916049-mclarenf1.jpg

Yes, Mr. & Mrs. G Murray! Thank all of you for these photos, almost like being there.

Wow I've never seen those shots before! thanks!

I'm really glad they made you moderator of this forum.

Glad you like them, and thanks for the compliment. :smile:

>8^)
ER

Hello,

I will say you when I put online the film with David Clark starting engine, close door and drive away if it interests.
The F1 is the only car make me feel strange when I am in presence with it !

Ciao
Phil

We would love to see the video Phil. :thumbsup:

Did you find out how the damage on #06R happened?

>8^)
ER

Great to see that XP3 is in excellent shape. It's magnificent that it was repaired after such bad damage to it. One McLaren saved. :)

It's magnificent that it was repaired after such bad damage to it.

? As far as i know, we have no confirmation that XP3 was ever crashed. Am i missing something here? :sly:

Hello,

We would love to see the video Phil.

Did you find out how the damage on #06R happened?

It's ok Erik ! My oral english is not very well and talking with David Clark was amazing for me but I don't mind asking for the damage :(

Hmm, a question : on the video of David Clark I will put online later, someone come to say him something, is it Nick Mason ?

David Clark :
http://img269.echo.cx/img269/7901/dsc035180he.th.jpg (http://img269.echo.cx/my.php?image=dsc035180he.jpg)

Ciao
Phil

Slightly back. The Harrods car then went to the Spa racetrack in Belgium. Owner didnt drive it apparently on the legendary track, but used his old Aston Martin racecar!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/kaliber1/DSCF0367.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/kaliber1/DSCF0366.jpg

Hello,

waoooooh when and what event please ?

Thanks