H22 Swap Exchange B16 (Help)

Sup guys, Im thinking of driving my 1999 Civic Si up to San Antonio Texas this summer because my brother is working up there and Im planning to do some stuff to my car. This is what Im thinking of doing:

My car currently has a B16A2 with 60,000 miles. I want to exchange the engine for an H22 from an older year, say 95-97. I dont know how this could work, the prices are very similar for both engines, mine is a little more expensive, Ive seen mine go for aroun 2500-3000 dollars (B16) and I have seen the H22 from older years go for 2000-2500 dollars, that is, everything included except the mounts. Another important thing to add, emissions or engine years DO NOT matter in Mexico, I can have a 6 cylinder 1989 poluting engine in my car and nobody cares.

Here is the questions that I need you guys to answer.
1)What is the best way to do this? Contact a shop? Make them do the trade? Sell my engine separately and buy an H22?

2)Prices of mounts and installation? Approximate?

3)Ballpark times I could improve with 200 hp and 161 lbs tq instead of 160 and 111?

4) Other suggestions, commentaries?

Thanks for the help,
MexSiR

I don't think you should swap in the h22; you should keep the b16 and boost it, just my opinion. The only reason I could see swapping an h22 into a civic is if you had a d series motor.

yeah H series motors are a real tight fit and not my best choice for a civic, Get a port and polish, upgrade cams, valve springs and TI retainers. You will be haulin, and NA

case you do decide i have an h22 for sale call 786-251-3293 if interested

1) Yeah it'd probably be best to have a shop do it for you, but make sure they have experience with doing the swap (it's no B-series swap). I'm sure there will be some wiring that needs to be done (as well as the OBD issues), but I'm not familiar with the '96+ Civic swaps. But there's mounts, shiftlinkage, and probably some minor cutting to do with both, as well as axles.

2)Mounts depend on where you get them from. Hasport sells them for $600. For installation price I have no clue, I'd think somewhere up to $1,000 (probably a little high, but be prepared to spend more than you think).

3)Probably low 14's with the swap. Though I've seen a '96-'98 hatchback doing high 13's with just the swap and no bolt-ons.

4)I disagree with the first 2 responses of it not being a good swap for a Civic. Those who have never done it, seen or felt the power don't have a clue. But I do agree that it'd probably be better to just turbo your existing engine, instead of having to spend the $ on the swap when it can go right into your engine.

1) Yeah it'd probably be best to have a shop do it for you, but make sure they have experience with doing the swap (it's no B-series swap). I'm sure there will be some wiring that needs to be done (as well as the OBD issues), but I'm not familiar with the '96+ Civic swaps. But there's mounts, shiftlinkage, and probably some minor cutting to do with both, as well as axles.

2)Mounts depend on where you get them from. Hasport sells them for $600. For installation price I have no clue, I'd think somewhere up to $1,000 (probably a little high, but be prepared to spend more than you think).

3)Probably low 14's with the swap. Though I've seen a '96-'98 hatchback doing high 13's with just the swap and no bolt-ons.

4)I disagree with the first 2 responses of it not being a good swap for a Civic. Those who have never done it, seen or felt the power don't have a clue. But I do agree that it'd probably be better to just turbo your existing engine, instead of having to spend the $ on the swap when it can go right into your engine.
I never said the h22 swap is a bad swap, my friend has a h22 in his hatch and it is awesome!! His car however came with a d-series motor, so it was a good idea to do the h22 swap. This guy however already has a b16, so in my opinion he should not waste his time, money and b16 motor by swapping in an h22. I think it would be a much better idea to turbo the b16, I mean the engine only has 60,000 miles on it.

and yeah it is a bad idea, with his current motor setup, the cost of doing a swap and all the aggrevation that comes with swaps, it would be better to just build upon his current setup

Yeah but also with the h22 swap, he'd start out with 40 more hp than with the stock 160hp engine. But you're right, if it was me I'd build up the b16a because it's more cost effective.

yeah there are alot better ways to get 40hp for 2000-2500 bucks, hell you can get a used supercharger on ebay for like as low as $800. But i know most people around here like turbos, that you can get cheap too if you shop around good. Just not as cheap as a supercharger

There's no way you could find a full supercharger kit for $800. And you could piece together a turbo kit for a lot cheaper than buying a premade kit (of course with no IC or just a side mount). You could piece one together for just as much as buying a full supercharger kit, and have more potential from the turbo than the SC. I'm not knocking SC's but the turbo will always have more potential.

Oh yes you can get a full supercharger kit for as low as 800 on ebay, i have seen plenty of them, they are used but if you look hard and be patient you can get them that low. Usually they go for 900-1000 used.

And yes you definately have more potential from a turbo, but then you have to worry about blowing your motor when you try to have to much boost(potential). There are positives and negatives to it and the cost to make your motor able to handle a high boost isn't worth it to me.

To me a supercharger is a lot more fun because you have power through the whole powerband, which means no turbo lag, real good for street racing

You can blow up your engine just as easily with a supercharger as with a turbo. 11psi on a JRSC will still be able to do just as much damage as as 11psi on a t3/t4. If you wanted to boost high with a SC, you'd still have to build the block anyways. What I'm saying is that if you already went through the trouble of building the engine up and getting a good ems, the turbo would still have more potential to make power. And for turbo lag, it depends on which turbo you use. If you use a small turbo, it will spool a lot quicker and you could even shift and still be in boost (not full boost, but no lag at all). And IMO, street racing is just plain stupid.

well the point is that you can get a supercharger for like 800, and that is a full kit, just look hard enough. You will never find a full turbo kit for that.

And street racing is fun, most stupid things are.... .

Oh yes you can get a full supercharger kit for as low as 800 on ebay, i have seen plenty of them, they are used but if you look hard and be patient you can get them that low. Usually they go for 900-1000 used.

And yes you definately have more potential from a turbo, but then you have to worry about blowing your motor when you try to have to much boost(potential). There are positives and negatives to it and the cost to make your motor able to handle a high boost isn't worth it to me.

To me a supercharger is a lot more fun because you have power through the whole powerband, which means no turbo lag, real good for street racing
I am sick of this bullsh*t, superchargers are not more reliable than turbos! They just make less power; power potential and reliability are two different things. The only thing that affects the reliabilty is turning up the boost. As far as turbo lag it is becoming a thing of the past with the ball bearing center sections. If you don't want to blow your motor with a turbo don't turn up the boost, and you will still smoke every supercharger. There are tons of people running turbos on stock motor Hondas making 300+whp and doing it for years. Know what you talking about before you start giving out bad information!

And street racing is fun, most stupid things are.... .
Spoken like a true idiot!

well the point is that you can get a supercharger for like 800, and that is a full kit, just look hard enough. You will never find a full turbo kit for that. .http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&item=7978836809&rd=1
You could find turbo kits for $700 (for d-series anyways) on e-bay all day long if you wanted to, it doesn't make it worth it. Any turbo kit of supercharger kit you find for $800 is going to be a POS that is either beat or will only last a few months until something goes wrong. The only people I know who would put something like that on their car are people who put it on their beater cars and don't care about any kind of serious power. You definently get what you pay for. I don't know what world you live in where you can pay that little and seriously expect it to last for the long term.

And I agree with 97integrals. I'm sure for some people, going out and shooting random people like in GTA and think it's fun; but it doesn't make it a good thing to do. If you don't care about your own well being, that's one thing, but when you put other peoples lives in your hands then you're an idiot.

ok i am the idiot, but you think a stock b16 motor that is turboed and is making 300whp is going to last long? i know i am not the only one that thinks that is just dumb, that motor will just blow up in a short time.

Now a built motor with turbo, of course has more potential, i just like superchargers more because they are more fun to daily drive.

Don't get so hostile cause you love something that is so expensive to keep your motor from blowing up in front of you.

ok i am the idiot, but you think a stock b16 motor that is turboed and is making 300whp is going to last long? i know i am not the only one that thinks that is just dumb, that motor will just blow up in a short time.
You have no clue what you're talking about. There are people with 300whp D16's (daily drivers) that have been driving their cars for years with no problems. And the D16 is a hell of a lot weaker than the b16a. Go check out turbod16.com and learn something.

what are you talking about other peoples lives? GTA? Not sure where you are going with that.

And yes you can get good stuff for cheap, things happen where people have to sell there stuff. Just cause it is for sale don't mean its crap. Most time people are hard up on cash and need things sold quick.

The point of this whole thread if you have been reading that is was better to build up his motor rather then swap out his b16 for an h22, for cost benefit. What i was saying is that for 800 he could find a jrsc and that would give him about 40-50hp gain, exactly what he was looking to get in the first place, just about 1200 cheaper. But you guys are so turbo happy you want to tell the guy that if he gets a turbo he can go 300whp on his stock motor with out it getting blown eventually and that just isn't true

No we're just trying to clear up the misinformation you're giving out (not that he needs it to be cleared up for him, but others will). There is still no way that you're going to pay 1/3 the price of a brand new SC and have it last. I don't care if the person is selling it to get much needed $ or not, for $800 it's going to be a POS. Half the price of new sure, but 1/3 give me a break. And if he's looking for more hp, I'd assume he'd be looking for something that's not going to break in a month; where he wastes his hard earned $. And the GTA thing was an example of how stupid things ARE stupid, whether they are fun to someone or not. You have much to learn.

um ok so somehow you got this to playing gta is stupid, so you don't like video games, we are talking about cars here keep your eyes on the ball.

And yes you can get a good cheap supercharger on ebay, on an easy day you can get it for 1000, if you wait long enough you can get it for 800. The price you pay is determined on how many people see the listing, if the person doesn't know how to list on ebay then less people will find it when they search, therefore you have less bids and a lower price. I am an ebay seller, i have seen plenty go for 800-900, plenty

what are you talking about other peoples lives? GTA? Not sure where you are going with that.

And yes you can get good stuff for cheap, things happen where people have to sell there stuff. Just cause it is for sale don't mean its crap. Most time people are hard up on cash and need things sold quick.

The point of this whole thread if you have been reading that is was better to build up his motor rather then swap out his b16 for an h22, for cost benefit. What i was saying is that for 800 he could find a jrsc and that would give him about 40-50hp gain, exactly what he was looking to get in the first place, just about 1200 cheaper. But you guys are so turbo happy you want to tell the guy that if he gets a turbo he can go 300whp on his stock motor with out it getting blown eventually and that just isn't true
Do you have any experience with a stock block turbo Honda? I highly doubt it! I had a hatch with an ls motor, with a gt28 turbo that made 302whp. I drove that car for a year and a half everyday with no problems. I sold the car to a friend of mine who drove the car for another 8 months before he decided to build the motor and up the power. The car had over 40,000 miles on it while making 300whp. Quit pulling info out of your ass! As for street racing refer to this thread for my thoughts on that: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=309710

um ok so somehow you got this to playing gta is stupid, so you don't like video games, we are talking about cars here keep your eyes on the ball.

You are an idiot. I guess you've never heard of an example before, or read one for that matter. Go re-read what I said if you're having such a hard time understanding what I was saying. I wasn't talking about the game it's self.

And yes you can get a good cheap supercharger on ebay, on an easy day you can get it for 1000, if you wait long enough you can get it for 800. The price you pay is determined on how many people see the listing, if the person doesn't know how to list on ebay then less people will find it when they search, therefore you have less bids and a lower price. I am an ebay seller, i have seen plenty go for 800-900, plenty

It still doesn't make it worth buying, or something that will last long. Maybe if you stay around here a little longer, you're realize that a "good deal" isn't always a good deal. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are a few cases where you can find something half way decent for cheap; but you'll never know until you open the box and look at it (or hook it up). And an e-bay seller yourself, you should realize there are millions of scams out there that take peoples hard earned $ and leave them with expensive paper weights.

I think you need to go back a re-read all the posts and try your hardest to comprehend what is being told to you. I'm done trying to explain this to you. If you want to get some real info them go look for it, but stop spreading your bullshit around here that you're just picking up from people who don't know any better.

first off, the gta thing i knew what you were talking about but it was such a stupid metaphor that i felt like playing you on it.

And i am not gonna argue the ebay thing with you anymore because its not worth the time or the energy, i have bought plenty of things off of ebay for far cheaper than retail(which by the way it is the point of ebay, you buy things far below retail)

and you are saying you can get a b16 to do 300whp turboed without any work being done to the motor to make sure that it doesn't blow up on you, i say it can't and still be reliable.....I agree to disagree

wow this thread took a crap fast.

In my views why not swap both are high revving powerful little 4s ones 1.6 and ones 2.2L both are strong honda motors and would rip in a lighter car then the 'lude.

Signal is the main man you want to talk to when it comes to H22s. Alas with your car it doesn't just bolt up but the install isn't too hard.

Ask me get h22 and don't read all the posts in this thread

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Guys, I dont think you got the main point of the thread. Im going to SELL my current B16A2 with 60,000 and buy a CHEAPER H22 from an older year. That gives me some spare cash in order to buy the mounts, axels...plus whatever I have to spend.

So the idea is SELLING ALL MY SHIT, and buying an H22 with all the stuff in it.

Now, what do you guys think about that? Once again, I can put older engines in my car than 1999 in mexico its no problem.

Thanks,
MexSiR

wow i see turbo head here is getting offended

yeah well if your cost isn't going to be much out of pocket then sure get it, i am sure it will pull hard

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Guys, I dont think you got the main point of the thread. Im going to SELL my current B16A2 with 60,000 and buy a CHEAPER H22 from an older year. That gives me some spare cash in order to buy the mounts, axels...plus whatever I have to spend.

So the idea is SELLING ALL MY SHIT, and buying an H22 with all the stuff in it.

Now, what do you guys think about that? Once again, I can put older engines in my car than 1999 in mexico its no problem.

Thanks,
MexSiR

Have fun. You'll love the torque difference and the new powerband. Keep us updated.