Another pic. Grey F1 in Japan

Hey guys,

Found another quality pic of a grey F1, in Japan. Located at luxurious car dealer Miyaoka at the time the picture was taken.
At their website www.miyaoka.info it doesn't say anything.
Google lists a page for it, but it's gone and even the cache is empty.

Hope you guys haven't seen it yet. It might not be a very exciting picture, it's a clear and qualitative one, so I hope you like it.

I've quickly browsed earlier posts, but couldn't directly find anything about the # no.'s of F1's in Japan.
Which one would this be? Is the one in Singapore still there? Maybe it moved to Japan?

Anyway, here's the photo:

http://img237.echo.cx/img237/2628/f1japan2hm.th.jpg (http://img237.echo.cx/my.php?image=f1japan2hm.jpg)

cheers,
Bucciali

Thanks for the pic dude


Can you post the google webpage?

Can you post the google webpage?

Can't remember how I found it, something with miyaoka and mclaren or f1. Here you go:

http://miyaoka.info/stc_mclaren.html

thanx 4 the pic!! i didn't have it....it looks amazing.
i don't know either wich number it might be....

I've seen evidence of 8 McLarens in Japan - (two silver, 1 black, 1 black/grey, 1 yellow, 1 white, 1 LM, 1 GT). There may be more than that of course, but that's how many I have recent photographic proof of.

I'd have to guess that this is #070 that was seen at the Matsuda Museum breakfast meeting a little over a year ago. If we could see the interior it might be possible to add some confirmation to that guess. The only other silver F1 that I have seen in Japan has the red stripe on the ventline of the door, which is clearly missing in this shot. It's also possible that there are two (or more) plain silver F1s, but I haven't seen evidence of that.

The shot is new for me though and a good one - I only wish there were more to help with the ID process. Thanks for sharing!

>8^)
ER

Well, we know there is at least 1 more pic of this car somewhere:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030423173833/http://miyaoka.info/stc_mclaren.html

Well, we know there is at least 1 more pic of this car somewhere:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030423173833/http://miyaoka.info/stc_mclaren.html

MiniM, i didn't get the pic from the dealer's website though. So, then, there should be 2 dealer pictures we haven't seen yet.

Found it through google on a car 'enthousiasts' page, by looking for large ferrari pictures. He also has a picture of an F50 with more cars in the back and a price tag on the site, which leads me to assume the photo was indeed taken at the dealer Miyaoka at some stage.

Here's the google listing where it's in:

http://images.google.com/images?q=ferrari+site:.jp&imgsz=xxlarge&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=40&sa=N

Maybe someone can ask the owner of this website in his best japanese where and when this photo was taken.

/Bucciali

evidence of McLarens in Japan....1 LM.........

Thanks for sharing!

>8^)
ER
You're welcome!

The LM, is that the orange one (only 2 blacks right? said to be with Sultan) on the photos of a car collection, that a.o. has a yellow F50, a Porsche GT1 and Merc CLK-GTR?

Well the Japanese LM is in a collection that has a yellow F50, but I have never seen evidence of either a CLK-GTR or a 911 GT1 there. I think you might be confusing the collection from Sweden and shots of the orange GTR #11R, as the owner of that car did/does have a CLK GTR and a 911 GT1, but no yellow F50 that I recall.

The LM in Japan sits next to the F1 GT in a museum that is open to the public, but doesn't really allow photos to be taken inside. Some shots have snuck out and here are two examples. You can see that yellow F50 and the tip of the wing on a red F40 in the background of the LM shot. This collection also contains a silver Enzo now as well, along with other rather noteworthy cars. They are not Matsudas or Okamotos either, as both have previously been speculated.

http://a2.cpimg.com/image/9A/DB/48273562-5072-028001E0-.jpg

http://a0.cpimg.com/image/CE/F6/17784270-71d6-028001E0-.jpg

I have finally learned the exact location of these two cars within the past few weeks. I had the address before, but not the name of the museum they are located in. My earlier speculation that the cars and their owner have some connection to Toyota proved to be true so that makes me happy. I'm working now to secure the info on the owner.

Ideally I am hoping to learn the chassis number of the LM as well at some point - it is either LM2 or LM5. I go back and forth trying to rationalize which one is more logical. I suspect the Brunei Royal Family got LM5 - the last one - making this LM2, but can't be certain of course. Hopefully someday I'll have a solid answer on that instead of just speculation.

>8^)
ER

I've seen evidence of 8 McLarens in Japan - (two silver, 1 black, 1 black/grey, 1 yellow, 1 white, 1 LM, 1 GT). There may be more than that of course, but that's how many I have recent photographic proof of.

I'd have to guess that this is #070 that was seen at the Matsuda Museum breakfast meeting a little over a year ago. If we could see the interior it might be possible to add some confirmation to that guess. The only other silver F1 that I have seen in Japan has the red stripe on the ventline of the door, which is clearly missing in this shot. It's also possible that there are two (or more) plain silver F1s, but I haven't seen evidence of that.

The shot is new for me though and a good one - I only wish there were more to help with the ID process. Thanks for sharing!

>8^)
ER

Hi peloton, i didn't know that there was a White mclaren F1 .
do you have pictures of that particluar car? wht chassis number is it?
thanxs

I should have thought of this sooner. I'll go home tonight and look through my F50 registry for yellow F50's in Japan and see who the owner is. There aren't many yellow F50's and Matsuda has sold his.

I will let you know what shows up

Maybe someone can ask the owner of this website in his best japanese where and when this photo was taken.

/Bucciali

Just had a quick e-mail conversation with the owner of the website of the mentioned picture. In my best English :-)
And he confirmed it was taken at the dealer Miyaoka, around 2,3 years ago. He remembered the price being 168 million Yen, or roughly 1,55 mio USD.

Peloton, you're right, I was mixing up my memories of various collections.

Hope you can find out about the owner of the LM & GT.

Hi peloton, i didn't know that there was a White mclaren F1 .
do you have pictures of that particluar car? wht chassis number is it?
thanxs

There were originally two F1s that were painted white. I assume the car in Japan is one of these two:

031 1995, 27th car built, Special White

053 1995, 35th car built, White

If I had to guess, I would say that the white car in Japan is the first on the list, as the few photos I have seen of the car show it to be an off white, almost cream or ivory color. The other more common white F1 photos released from McLaren show a very pure flat white colored car.

I thought I had one of those non-Japan white F1 photos hosted to share, but it doesn't appear that I do. If someone else has the photos handy and can share that would be great.

>8^)
ER

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/720872dsmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/720872d.jpg)
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Do the names Shota Yonemushi or Yasui ring a bell for anyone? I have 4 other yellow F50's that may be in Japan but none have info on the owners

yep, the japs got a special thing about white cars, pretty weird

It's because fridges are so small over there. With a white car, they can think they have a spare fridge in the garage.

jahaha, so true, or they might just sleep in the car

but doesn't really allow photos to be taken inside.

>8^)
ER

I really dont understand why you may not take pictures.

If I were there: you bet I would take a lot of pics of these 2 macs!

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/720872dsmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/720872d.jpg)
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Thanks man!

That's the plain white F1 that I would suspect is #053.

>8^)
ER

http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/720872dsmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/720872d.jpg)
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Scanned by yours truly :)

Well the Japanese LM is in a collection that has a yellow F50..............
The LM in Japan sits next to the F1 GT in a museum that is open to the public, but doesn't really allow photos to be taken inside..............
This collection also contains a silver Enzo now as well, along with other rather noteworthy cars.
>8^)
ER

Came across these pics the other day. Thought they were known already, but I just browsed my Mac folder and saw the F50 wasn't in on the picture. There's a blue EB110 right next to it. Very nice, I must say.
So these could be interesting too. I'm guessing same collection, different lineup. Pics are truly japanes, size wise (in contradiction to the one I started this thread with), so I panorama'ed them together, for easy up and download.

http://img238.echo.cx/img238/884/lmjapan15mt.th.jpg (http://img238.echo.cx/my.php?image=lmjapan15mt.jpg) http://img31.echo.cx/img31/1278/lmjapan29xe.th.jpg (http://img31.echo.cx/my.php?image=lmjapan29xe.jpg)

/Bucciali

Wow -- those are wonderful too - I do wish they were bigger. Never seen them of course, so a big thanks for including them here. :thumbsup:

It's definitely the same Japanese collection as the sign on the floor next to the LM matches the one in the shot I included on page one.

Adding to the evidence, in the top shot of the second set you can see nose of another car across from the Bugatti and LM that is definitely on display in the museum. It is the Toyota TS010 LeMans car - #8 with ZENT livery - that placed 8th at the 1992 24Hrs of LeMans event.

Here's a shot of a 1/43rd scale replica of that same car:

http://members.home.nl/natt.houben/Lammers%20Jan/1992%20Toyota%20Zent.jpg

You don't have similar shots of the F1 GT by chance do you? :greedy:

>8^)
ER

One more thing I just spotted - the shirts hanging on the wall behind the LM look very much like this one that hangs in my closet. :smokin:

http://a8.cpimg.com/image/FE/8C/40898558-dace-02580190-.jpg

>8^)
ER

What is the address and the name of this museum ?

Are you asking me?

Sorry, not quite ready to share the full details just yet. I'm still piecing things together. In time...

>8^)
ER

Wow -- those are wonderful too - I do wish they were bigger. Never seen them of course, so a big thanks for including them here. :thumbsup:

No worries. Happy to share, with people that care.


You don't have similar shots of the F1 GT by chance do you? :greedy:

Sorry mate, these were the only ones I found. Me and my stupid filing systems, I cannot check let alone remember where I found them. It must have been some japanese BBS, that I occassionaly browse, if I manage to find the car thread that is.
But I will keep my eyes open.
If you keep working on the museum info, I'm planning a Japan trip next year, so maybe I can visit it and see what I can do.

>8^)
ER

Museum's opening hours and location are public info. I thought everyone here knew:

403 shoubuike
nagakute-machi
aichi-gun
aichi-ken 4801115
Japan

Tel 0561-63-8700

Take plenty of pics if you go.

Museum's opening hours and location are public info.

Not for everyone :eek7: , some poeple want to keep it secret ... Bond, my name is ... :screwy:

THANKS for the info.

Alright, lets not get into another arguement. I know that Erik had spent a lot of time researching the museum and was looking for more information on it. I can understand why he wouldn't say what it is yet. If people are so interested in it, go research it yourself

$0.02

jkbon,
I think he was researching other info...not the opening hours or location.

He was researching the location. MOST of us didn't know which museum the cars were in until you made that post

jkbon,
I don't think Peloton was keeping the location a secret on purpose. He shares everything he has, and 90% of the knowledge on this board is from what he knows. He was probably trying to confirm everything before he posted, to make sure the information was correct. Why would anyone keep the location a secret? First of all, it's public information available on the web to anyone who can understand written Japanese. Secondly, it only helps to share because now anyone who has the opportunity can go there;hopefully they will share their pics as generously as Peloton shares what he has.

I got the info from the Japanese kid who was going to help me with the videos on that website--before he changed his mind and decided he didn't want the hassle of paying $2 or $3 to register--even though I was willing to pay him back several times that. I didn't realize I had not posted the address before.

My website's limping along...when(!) it goes public, it will have all this info on it, in Ingrish!

F1 monster, one more time I will be the bad guy then :

Yes, 90% of the knowledge on this board is from what he knows, but you forget that 90% of the knowledge he knows is from this forum (and others)

Do you realy think that it's better to search alone that together ?

With the little informations from bucciali and yours, it's easier FOR EVERYONE to make researchs : it seems that the museum is in/near Nagoya.

I have a contact at the Nagoya University, I will send him an e-mail tomorrow to see if he knows something about a museum with Mclarens.

If I have some positive informations should I keep them for me (because the info is not sure at 100%) or should I share them with you ?

jkbon,
How good looking is your girlfriend? Share what you like. :D
And don't be a bad boy, unless you enjoy being spanked!:)

but you forget that 90% of the knowledge he knows is from this forum (and others)

I strongly disagree with that statement. Thats untrue

I got the info from the Japanese kid who was going to help me with the videos on that website--before he changed his mind and decided he didn't want the hassle of paying $2 or $3 to register--even though I was willing to pay him back several times that. I didn't realize I had not posted the address before.

Actually, you had posted the address before here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2561455&postcount=9).

I overlooked it originally and didn't follow up on it, but went back through that post and decided to do more research.

The museum is called the ZAZ Museum. ZAZ is shortened for Zent Amusement Zone. I was working on securing the owners name before I posted the rest of the info but I guess some people believe there's a conspiracy in my motives so whatever... :rolleyes:

50% of the things that I share with this forum come from outside sources - people I either know personally, or find/meet via the web.

>8^)
ER

I've had some more info from my Japanese source about the F1 that started this thread and about the ZAZ museum

1. The road F1 at Miyaoka is thought to have had a red interior at the time of the picture. No 100% certainty though.

2. Owner of ZAZ museum is called Mr. Tsuzuki. His first name is unclear, since the Japanese signs for that have multiple meanings. Could be Yurio, Michio or other.

3. In 1996, the ZAZ museum had a blue road F1. Most likely not present (any more) in the museum now.

4. Special days in the museum and I quote: "taking digital photos in ZAZ museum is prohibited, but taking analog photos is allowed. And at the special days (several a year), taking digital photos is allowed
and you can listen to the engine sounds of some of the supercars!"

I don't quite understand the analog-yes digital-no rule, but it sure sounds promising ;-)

5. For those interested, there's supposed to be an XJR-15 there too.

6. There has been a GTR in there too, with Lark livery
Here's two pictures:

http://img177.echo.cx/img177/3015/mclarenf1gtrlark5zq.th.jpg (http://img177.echo.cx/my.php?image=mclarenf1gtrlark5zq.jpg)

http://img177.echo.cx/img177/2897/mclarenf1gtrlark26fq.th.jpg (http://img177.echo.cx/my.php?image=mclarenf1gtrlark26fq.jpg)

Would this be 25R? Edit: This is '96 #13R.

/Bucciali

Sweet man!!! You've done very well with that source! :thumbsup:

Thanks for passing along all that great info. :cool:

6. There has been a GTR in there too, with Lark livery
Here's two pictures:

http://img177.echo.cx/img177/3015/mclarenf1gtrlark5zq.th.jpg (http://img177.echo.cx/my.php?image=mclarenf1gtrlark5zq.jpg)

http://img177.echo.cx/img177/2897/mclarenf1gtrlark26fq.th.jpg (http://img177.echo.cx/my.php?image=mclarenf1gtrlark26fq.jpg)

Would this be 25R?

/Bucciali

25R would be a longtail GTR. That is actually a short tail '96-spec GTR - chassis #13R. It had a twin GTR #14R - and both cars raced in the AJGTC series in 1996. The car in those photos was driven by Naoki Hattori and Ralf Schumacher, and it won the championship that year.

Thanks again for the great info and photos.

>8^)
ER

Thanks for the info and pics :)

This is excellent Bucciali ! Any chance to have LM chassis number ?

Ciao
Phil

http://img177.echo.cx/img177/3015/mclarenf1gtrlark5zq.th.jpg (http://img177.echo.cx/my.php?image=mclarenf1gtrlark5zq.jpg)


Am I the only one that noticed the "Longtail" GT on the right in the first photo ?

No - we've known that the burgundy longtail is there in the museum for quite sometime though, so it wasn't noteworthy.

Reference the full photo of the car there in this post (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3131580&postcount=9).

>8^)
ER

Ah, I see. I couldn't tell it was burgundy, and I'd forgotten about the burgundy one. My bad.

No worries at all - even I lose track of them in my mind from time to time. :screwy:

>8^)
ER

<kick>

And we have another 2 images from inside the ZAZ museum, taken on the afore mentioned special visitor days, when photographing is allowed.

The burgundy GT this time. Enjoy!


http://img71.echo.cx/img71/623/f1gt7oi.th.jpg (http://img71.echo.cx/my.php?image=f1gt7oi.jpg)

http://img71.echo.cx/img71/7695/f1gtint8op.th.jpg (http://img71.echo.cx/my.php?image=f1gtint8op.jpg)

/Bucciali

Thanks very very much !

And no idea of the chassis number LM ?

And no idea of the chassis number LM ?

Unfortunately not. I can ask my source to check this at one of the special days, if he's able to go there.

A Google search just showed me the following pic (japanese size). Very interesting, but now I'm confused. The white F1 was in another collection, no? And what a pity the burgundy GT is not in the picture!!

http://img8.echo.cx/img8/849/zazf1lineup9sq.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

from the website of japanese magazine Rosso:
http://www.rosso-mag.com/08/rosso200506.html

Thanks bucciali. There are some nice pics on the Rosso website.

Also a nice video. But I think I've seen this one before.

Right click and save.

http://www.rosso-mag.com/07/movie/06dvd.wmv

Thanks for the pics

Hi guys, I was not on this forum for very long time (well, since the end of 2003). I had info about location of LM and GT already at that time, but somehow I never posted it here. I got it from one person from Japan. Here is info I got from him. This McLaren F1 is in ZAZ museum of nagoya. This car's owner is manager of ZENT amusement facilities. He said, that both cars were in October 1999 issue of Rosso magazine. I have pictures of that article, which I can post later. Maby I will even get some pictures from him. Sorry again for not posting it earlier. I was very busy with my hobby. I am collecting car brochures and have really nice collection now. I can post some pictures of it later.

Hey DiabloFan!

Hi guys, I was not on this forum for very long time (well, since the end of 2003).
That is indeed a long time! Welcome back then! ;)

He said, that both cars were in October 1999 issue of Rosso magazine. I have pictures of that article, which I can post later. Maby I will even get some pictures from him. Sorry again for not posting it earlier. I was very busy with my hobby. I am collecting car brochures and have really nice collection now. I can post some pictures of it later.
Any material is mostly welcome and will be appreciated by us all. So we are looking forward to pictures of the Rosso article, it would be a nice contribution. :thumbsup:
By the way, this year Rosso magazine has an article about the F1's in ZAZ museum again, I believe it is the april edition. I mentioned it in my last post in this thread. There were 3 F1's on display, all lined up! See the picture I posted.

"Pictures from him", are you talking about your friend, or do you actually know the manager of ZENT? Have you yourself been to the ZAZ museum?

I wonder if the GT and LM in Japan are ever driven. Seems a waste if not !!