Don't shoot!!

i know i dont belong in this part of the forum but hear me out. yes i own a honda civic. it's fast as hell, i have raced alot of camaros and won, i get "what the fuck have you done to your car" alot. i'm sure i have no respect from you guys right now for being a ricer, but i dont hate the muscle. dont get me wrong, i have had my ass handed to me by my fair share of domestics. i'm selling my civic for 7,000 and i want to get something that has more potential. before i buy anything i'm trying to do some homework. i hurd the 94 z-28 camaro was the last year that they came with solid rear axles, if this is true, i'll buy a older camaro. and what is the hp rating on a z28. i'm finding answers for most of my questions but these are the ones that stumped me.

I dont know about axles and all but the 94 Z28 has 275 Hp.

Depends on what year you're looking at... NastyZ28.Com has ALL the info you'll ever get on 2nd gens.

*bang* yer dead

no camaro ever came with irs, all had solid rear axles

I do belive that camaro never has used a IRS set-up.. They're all solid rear axle

They are all solid rear. Xenostalgia might buy your honda...

Only if its lime green with a 3 foot tall wing.

They are all solid rear. Xenostalgia might buy your honda...
Nice....lol

They are all solid rear. Xenostalgia might buy your honda...

(xeno)... :naughty: *wet dreams of fart pips*

jk man,

what do you have done to this honda, tell us please. and a 1/4 mile time if you have it as well. 0-60 too.

94 camaro has 275 hp/325 tq

i think you have your information crossed with the mustang, those started using an IRS setup sometime around there i think. There was only one camaro ever made with an IRS, it was in 1969 when they were testing every performance modification possible to make the Z28 a winner. Testing showed no performance gain of the IRS over a solid axle at the time, so they didnt put it into production. So for the record no production camaro ever had an IRS.

as far as hp ratings, they varied over the years with the different engines available. hp ranged from 170hp to 360hp.

someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think the 2005 Mustang GT still uses a solid rear axle

havn't got the honda yet i'm still debating. its really coming down to if something else breaks on the maro cause I can't even afford food, my buddy bought me 25$ worth of groceries last night :/

yup, they went back to the solid axle for the new cobras.

Let me get this straight... I.R.S. is no big deal.... gimmick as far as performance cars are related, but virtually a must have on off-road vehicles, right?

well, in my personal opinion the only place where an IRS pays off is in ride comfort, and low power applications. (vette being an odd counter to this theory). in offroading i would definatly preferr to have a solid axle suspension, on both the front and rear. however i would like to have hummer style geared hubs that increased the ground clearance of the setup. Most serious off road vehicles, even truggies use solid rear axes mounted on long swing arms. And for performance driving the solid axle is unquestioned in strait line performance, and look at NASCAR for its use in road courses. If you are interested in the ultimate handling solid rear axle setup, check out www.hotrodstohell.com, they sell what they call a truck arm suspension setup like the one used in NASCAR, its supposed to be bad ass. their moto is ride like a caddy, handle like a slot car. :)

I disagree with the low power applications.. Many members of the supra community go well into 600-700hp range without even looking at their IRS rears, and the half shafts in my car have never been replaced.. to top it off, you get a 15 y/o car that still rides nicer than most new vehicles..

but IRS will never match solid axle in straight line performance or off-roading..

if and when Camaro comes back, Ide really like to see a fully independant suspension..

The only mustangs with IRS are the 1999-2004 Cobras. From 2005 on all mustangs will have a 3 link solid axel. Ford finally caught up to Chevy with the 3 link. The new mustang suspension in the rear looks pretty similar to the Fbody rear. The new 06-07 cobras will also have the same solid rear as the GT. Personally I hope when the new camaro comes out it still retains its solid rear. They certainly handle very well for a car that size, especially with a stiff set of springs, it hones them in as a specialist in the straight line, leaving handling to the corvette.

I agree, when the camaro comes back, i hope its still a solid axle design.

I just hope they bring back the the Camaro

I just hope they bring back the the Camaro

they'll bring back the camaro when the police pull me over to tell me i won the lottery. IM RICH BIOTCH!! BEEP BEEP!!

they'll bring back the camaro when the police pull me over to tell me i won the lottery. IM RICH BIOTCH!! BEEP BEEP!!

ROFLMMFAO in a WTF? kind of way.

Someone been watching alot of Chappelle lately?

I'm Rick James, bitch.

It's a celebration, bitches! Hah, hah, ha.

No I don't watch Chapelle, who the frig is rick james and what the hell are you celebrating?

No, im not talking about you, im talking about LT1MAN it says that after every episode, it shows Chappelle in chains holding money and it says "IM RITCH BIOTCH! BEEP! BEEP" if you honestly dont know who Rick James is he's a black dude who was famous for a while and recently died like last August or so? "It's a celebration" was said during an episode that Chappelle did about Rick James and Charlie Murphy kicking each other's asses when they hung out with each other.

You have WAY too much free time on your hands.

You have WAY too much free time on your hands.

among other things :naughty:

Definately not good.. :nono: :lol:

Lol, its just watching the DVD, and yes I do have alot of free time.

HAHA first off, rick james was the lead singer of a all black band in the 70's called 'Earth, Wind & Fire' who are most notable for there song 'Shining Star' (your my shining star, no matter who you are). Second, thank you for all the information, but i'm stumped on one thing! What the hell is IRS and what does it do, i'm sure i know what you are talking about, i just dont know the name for it. and about my car, i have a 92 honda civic 4dr ex. it has a sohc 1.6 liter I4 vtec motor. vtec basicaly means there are two Cams atop the hemi design heads. 0-5400rpms uses the first cam which is designed for low gas mileage and smoother delivery. 5400-8000rpms the second cam which is much more agressive in timing and in valve movement takes it's places giving it that "VTEC power baby!" haha. i have some cosmetic upgrades done to the car, projector head lights, fancy tail lights, carbonfiber hood, 15" alloy enkie rims because it's all about wieght with these damn ricers and yes, i have a semi-large aluminium wing giving me about 500lbs down force at 100mph (helps more then you think when you are dodging cars at 130mph in a car that wieghs 2300lbs). as far as proformance; CAI, high flow intake manifold and throtle body, full titanium cat-back exhaust, cat replaced with straight pipe, ceramic headers, high proformance plugs-wires-grounds-etc., stage 2 heavy duty clutch, stage 3 lightweight racing flywheel (7lbs), short shifter and to top it off a reworked/flashed ecu-raised redline to 9000rpm-vtec changes at 3000rpms-timing/fuel/ignition altered. all together with my home made wieght reduction i have a car that runs 230hp and 200lbs of torque at the front wheels, the car wieghs 2000lbs, so far i have put about $6000 into it with me doing all the work. but i'm sure i can buy a 1988 camaro z-28 for half that and stock will be as fast as the civic. another question, what is the iroc-z modle about?

HAHA first off, rick james was the lead singer of a all black band in the 70's called 'Earth, Wind & Fire' who are most notable for there song 'Shining Star' (your my shining star, no matter who you are). Second, thank you for all the information, but i'm stumped on one thing! What the hell is IRS and what does it do, i'm sure i know what you are talking about, i just dont know the name for it. and about my car, i have a 92 honda civic 4dr ex. it has a sohc 1.6 liter I4 vtec motor. vtec basicaly means there are two Cams atop the hemi design heads. 0-5400rpms uses the first cam which is designed for low gas mileage and smoother delivery. 5400-8000rpms the second cam which is much more agressive in timing and in valve movement takes it's places giving it that "VTEC power baby!" haha. i have some cosmetic upgrades done to the car, projector head lights, fancy tail lights, carbonfiber hood, 15" alloy enkie rims because it's all about wieght with these damn ricers and yes, i have a semi-large aluminium wing giving me about 500lbs down force at 100mph (helps more then you think when you are dodging cars at 130mph in a car that wieghs 2300lbs). as far as proformance; CAI, high flow intake manifold and throtle body, full titanium cat-back exhaust, cat replaced with straight pipe, ceramic headers, high proformance plugs-wires-grounds-etc., stage 2 heavy duty clutch, stage 3 lightweight racing flywheel (7lbs), short shifter and to top it off a reworked/flashed ecu-raised redline to 9000rpm-vtec changes at 3000rpms-timing/fuel/ignition altered. all together with my home made wieght reduction i have a car that runs 230hp and 200lbs of torque at the front wheels, the car wieghs 2000lbs, so far i have put about $6000 into it with me doing all the work. but i'm sure i can buy a 1988 camaro z-28 for half that and stock will be as fast as the civic. another question, what is the iroc-z modle about?

The IROC-Z is a special edition Camaro that came out from 1984 to 1990.
Their was a racing series called "International Racing Of Champions" that started in 1973. The best drivers from auto racing raced each other in identical cars. It started with porche but were too expensive. Signed with chevy in 74. IROC the series sponsered Chevy....hence the name IROC. In 1990 their contract w/ IROC stopped so thats why no more after 1990. Its still one of the best Camaro's ever built. Theres more to it but I cant remember everything
Its pretty much the best thirdgen performance wise, Corvette like suspension and a 305 tpi/ 350 tpi motors. Very quick for those days.
Pretty quick today....but not like it used to be.
http://img174.echo.cx/img174/2458/irocnrolllogo76oj.jpg

so the iroc-z is better than the z-28? they have the same motors but the iroc has the special suspension? and again, what does irs stand for? one more question, what is the difference between those two modles and the rs?

so the iroc-z is better than the z-28? they have the same motors but the iroc has the special suspension? and again, what does irs stand for? one more question, what is the difference between those two modles and the rs?
The IROC is almost the same as the Z28....really I cant think of a difference in the third gens. I believe the IROC has better suspension though. IRS stands for Independent Rear Suspension.
The RS is basically the basic model for Camaro and didnt come with foglights. Came in a 305 TBI and a V6. Not as high performace as the Z28 and the IROC but nice as well.
Im biased because I have an RS 305 :smile:, with aftermarket foglights :iceslolan

The IROC-Z was the Z28 for those years. the cars were the same. just had different badging while the car was used in the racing serise.

oh and i think its official, DUI is not a ricer after all, nice car, probly give my IROC a run for its money.

haha, thank you very much for the help guys, i have learned so damn much in the last two weeks, reading about the camaro on this forum and running around town test driving every camaro i can find. just last wensday i was at one of our malls in a 'anchor blue' lookin for some panty dropping cloths and i saw some belts that were made out of actual seat belts. they had a honda, cadilac and chevy. i bought the honda and the chevy. the honda was just for closier. thats right, i sold the civic, i'm driving my room mates 93 VW jetta for now (piece of shit *cough*). i know how domestics arnt quite as reliable as a import so i have been looking for a 89 z-28 with some where under 100,000 miles on it and it's getting bleek. hopfully GOD will come through and help a nigga out because even though i hate Auto's, power braking a z28 and just sitting there doing donuts is almost better than sex........*cough*. what do you think a reasonable price for a 89 z28 camaro with around 70-90,000 miles on it would run me? i'll try to get a picture of the love of my life on here, her name is cocaine!

Meaning your Civic? Lol.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=181535624&dealer_id=583867&car_year=1989&make=CHEV&distance=200&lang=&max_price=50000&model=CAM&end_year=1989&min_price=10&certified=&address=44505&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1989&isp=y&cardist=62

There you go. That took me maybe 20 seconds, counting opening the window. I didn't look hard. a 383 stroker is nothing to wave your weiner at.

haha, thank you very much for the help guys, i have learned so damn much in the last two weeks, reading about the camaro on this forum and running around town test driving every camaro i can find. just last wensday i was at one of our malls in a 'anchor blue' lookin for some panty dropping cloths and i saw some belts that were made out of actual seat belts. they had a honda, cadilac and chevy. i bought the honda and the chevy. the honda was just for closier. thats right, i sold the civic, i'm driving my room mates 93 VW jetta for now (piece of shit *cough*). i know how domestics arnt quite as reliable as a import so i have been looking for a 89 z-28 with some where under 100,000 miles on it and it's getting bleek. hopfully GOD will come through and help a nigga out because even though i hate Auto's, power braking a z28 and just sitting there doing donuts is almost better than sex........*cough*. what do you think a reasonable price for a 89 z28 camaro with around 70-90,000 miles on it would run me? i'll try to get a picture of the love of my life on here, her name is cocaine!
God and drugs/sex dont mix......

$4000 or lower

What I think is pretty cool about the IROCs is that it had the Vette tranny too, if I remember right. They also gave the IROC an alias "The Camaro that think's its a Corvette"

I never heard that specifically, but I always thought they had something special that the Z28's didnt.....

Makes sense to me. Anyone know of a camaro with a rear mounted transmission, like in some Vettes?

I dont off hand and its too late to research...lol

Haha, agreed. I dunno, just seems like it would be cool to have a rear mount trans but front engine.

Why....
im just curious

Heaps of traction for one, and two, it's fairly unique to a Maro far as I know.

hey DUI you got 230 hp out of a honda motor with no turbo and no nitrous and no internal work? Thats good stuff right there i wouldnt think it could be done and still have it be streetable. 230hp relative to a camaro dosent sound like much but its all about the power to weight ratio in this business.

Vtec technology is very good proven stuff. I think its also called variable valve timing and I believe cadalac has it in their motors. I think GM should look into using it in more of their motors.
That was a fast little car you had there. Its very hard to find a third gen with under 100000, v8, and original motor. If they were taken care of properly you could get one with higher mileage and then switch out motors for something a little faster. Or get one for cheap and drive it for a while and stick an ls1 motor or lt1 or whatever the hec you want in there and youll have all the fun you could ask for.

hey DUI you got 230 hp out of a honda motor with no turbo and no nitrous and no internal work? Thats good stuff right there i wouldnt think it could be done and still have it be streetable. 230hp relative to a camaro dosent sound like much but its all about the power to weight ratio in this business.

Vtec technology is very good proven stuff. I think its also called variable valve timing and I believe cadalac has it in their motors. I think GM should look into using it in more of their motors.
That was a fast little car you had there. Its very hard to find a third gen with under 100000, v8, and original motor. If they were taken care of properly you could get one with higher mileage and then switch out motors for something a little faster. Or get one for cheap and drive it for a while and stick an ls1 motor or lt1 or whatever the hec you want in there and youll have all the fun you could ask for.


as far as internal work i have port and polished the heads and chamber, and i tryed my best at doing a cheap as crank balance. thats part of the reason i could raise the redline. and yes, with the act flywheel, center force clutch and mugen cams it wasnt very street friendly but you got used to it cus it was to damn fun to drive. and Vtec (honda mitsubishi, ford, toyota) is a form of Varible valve timing, which is shit compared to Continuosly varible valve timing (porsche, nissan, bmw, ferrari) which depending on speed, rpms and throtle position will change between 5 different cam choices. about the camaros, i would rather get the top modle so i can get all the options and just rebuild the engine myself. i have worked on a 396 in a caprice, a 454 in a buick riviara and a 302 boss in a mustang. a 350 should be around those designs, itll take me like 2 months just to get figure out what the hell i'd be doing but it will be a learning experience right? haha. i have never heard of GM using any kind of programs like Vtec, tell me more about it! what is the LT1 from? OH! and BTW, when i first started this thread my first question was about solid rear axles, by that i wasnt talking about suspension. i was reffering to the differential, which with a solid rear axle there is all time 50/50 distrobution between the rear left/right wheels.

The low mileage third gens arnt immpossible to find but you have to be patient. Youll find one sooner or later.
Are you guys saying that GM should kick out the V8 and put in Vtec engines?

no camaro ever had a rear mounted tranny. the IROCs did use the same tranny as the corvette, but then again, so did the RS camaros. 700R4's all around. the corvette had a higher pressure 1st-2nd servo, and a different stall converter i think. I know the IROC didnt have the corvette servo because i had to install one in my tranny. and there was a big difference. As far as the IROC thinking it was a vette, mostly a marketing deal, nothing shared between them. kinda like the new cobalt being touted as the little brother of the vette nowadays.

*shudder^*

Anyways, I think with a sort of VVT or Vtec adapted to, say, a LS-1 or -2 would be killer.

And DUI, are you talking about Posi Trac? Stock Maro's never had Posi from the factory, I don't think. Anyone else?

camaros certainly had factory positraction, the spid label code for it is G80. Im not sure of the company in the first and second gens that made them. but in the third gens the posi was from Borg Warner, and the fourth gens used Auburn, eaton, and zextel depending on what year it was.

well, in regard to a solid rear axle youwont find any manufacter that makes them. Only place you will find a rear axle like that is in drag racing. The reason for this is that cars on the street go around turns, so one wheel (the one on the outside of the turn) has to turn faster than the tire on the inside of the turn. So with a solid rear axle, your gonna wind up dragging the outside tire as if the brake was depressed on that tire. Open differentials fixed this, but are traction limited because they give the power to the tire that spins. hence the one tire burnouts you see. Positraction limits this by keeping resistance on both tires, so that all the power is never given to just one tire. The newest and best solution are geared torque sensitive differentials that are actually designed to give power to the tire with traction. You can also install aftermarket locker differentials that act like an open differential under normal driving, but under hard acceleration they lock up the spider gears and give you basicly a temporary solid axle for strait line performance.

well, in regard to a solid rear axle youwont find any manufacter that makes them. Only place you will find a rear axle like that is in drag racing. The reason for this is that cars on the street go around turns, so one wheel (the one on the outside of the turn) has to turn faster than the tire on the inside of the turn. So with a solid rear axle, your gonna wind up dragging the outside tire as if the brake was depressed on that tire. Open differentials fixed this, but are traction limited because they give the power to the tire that spins. hence the one tire burnouts you see. Positraction limits this by keeping resistance on both tires, so that all the power is never given to just one tire. The newest and best solution are geared torque sensitive differentials that are actually designed to give power to the tire with traction. You can also install aftermarket locker differentials that act like an open differential under normal driving, but under hard acceleration they lock up the spider gears and give you basicly a temporary solid axle for strait line performance.

Well the Noble m-10 and m-12 both dont have differentials (solid rear axles). they are track cars that just have a problem with lighting the inside tires up. i saw that on a episode of 'Top Gear' with tiff neddle. why i was asking about this; when the new mustang came out i was reading all my magazines about the mustangs (car & driver, motor trend, road & track). i forget which i read it in but they were saying that the new mustangs have solid rear axles, that the last domestic RWD car to have one was the 94 camaros. i give all my old issuses to my little brother but i'll see if i can't stir up the artical.

Shows what I know... Lol. But I did not know that posi wasn't a straight axle, so I learned something today.

by a solid real axle what they mean is the housing. its what we call a live rear axle. but inside, there are always two axle shafts. connected to the driveshaft by a center differential. at least in street cars. when they referred to the mustang as having a solid rear axle, it was to point out that they abandoned the IRS or independent rear suspension they tried for a few years.

Ahh, okay. That makes more sense.

DUI, may be a late response, but i got my iroc for $1850. Only 79,000 miles on it. Needed some TLC though. All stock original motor too. The car runs good still, although some things need replacing, which isn't that hard to do anyways. The motor should be pretty much the same as the 396 and 454 you worked on. Those motors were big blocks, were as the 350 is a small block. Pretty much the same concept i believe. Make sure you get an 89 iroc, if you can. It was the fastest one. Ran 14.4 in the quarter mile i believe, which is damn good for that year. Couple of mods and you'll be smoking F1 cars :evillol: .

Nice. How much did you end up spending on that TLC Link?

How much did i spend? Shit im still spending!!
So far:
Alternator: $100+
Sparkplugs: $59
Wires: $100
2 Stab. Links $10
Brakes all the way around: $50

Not bad for now, but i'm gonna be in some shit soon:
Suspension Overhaul:$$$$
Exhuast replacement from motor back:$$$$
Interior:$$$
Whole new brake system:$$$
Whatever else i come across when i'm doing the above:$$$

Like Dave Chappelle said: "I'm broke n****, im broke!!!"