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MIGTPGUY
05-29-2005, 08:55 PM
Hey wassup guys, back again. I have a 97 gtp and it has a 104,000 miles on it. I have a 3.4 pulley, CAI, INTENSE PCM, removed resonator and U-Bend. I decided to keep the car for this summer and possible all of next year since it did make it through this winter. My question is, im looking to throw another mod on my car. I have very limited $$$, for the sake of discussion here, lets make my budget at approx. 500$. I just got new tires and rims so scratch those, but besides that , what mod should i get. Im looking for the most effecient HP/$ ratio here. Any Ideas?

kustomkid54
05-29-2005, 09:06 PM
Hey wassup guys, back again. I have a 97 gtp and it has a 104,000 miles on it. I have a 3.4 pulley, CAI, INTENSE PCM, removed resonator and U-Bend. I decided to keep the car for this summer and possible all of next year since it did make it through this winter. My question is, im looking to throw another mod on my car. I have very limited $$$, for the sake of discussion here, lets make my budget at approx. 500$. I just got new tires and rims so scratch those, but besides that , what mod should i get. Im looking for the most effecient HP/$ ratio here. Any Ideas?

Well if your not building a race car, which I don't think you are. Hold the money for a while and use it on your next ride. You have enough for street use. Save it.

Ripn12s
05-29-2005, 09:12 PM
I'll second that. Save your cash, dont waste it on making the GP any faster

BNaylor
05-29-2005, 09:53 PM
I'm a firm believer in both pro and con (fair & balanced) and in the end let him decide, so here's my 2 cents. :2cents:

Here's my suggestion for the most bang for the buck for under $500.00.

3.25 supercharger pulley $65.00

72mm Polished & Ported Throttle Body $280.00

Hi-Flow CAT $100.00

Total: $445.00 not counting S/H

Plus you should have enough left over for a few beers. :lol2:

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

vamc
05-30-2005, 08:14 PM
ok..My 2 cents now, Magnaflow mufflers, high flow cat, 8mm tayler plug wires. What do you think bnaylor3400. Yeah or nay? Take it easy man!

BNaylor
05-30-2005, 10:43 PM
ok..My 2 cents now, Magnaflow mufflers, high flow cat, 8mm tayler plug wires. What do you think bnaylor3400. Yeah or nay? Take it easy man!

That would probably work but I'm not sure about the overall HP gains. Its under $500.

I'd go with headers but you can't do that for $500 unless you get them used or by chance on EBay. But here's another option for $500.00.

DynoMax Super Turbo Cat-Back Exhaust System $420

And he stiill has enough left over for beer. :lol2: :cheers:


http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

vamc
05-31-2005, 01:49 AM
Very much true..i agree

Ripn12s
05-31-2005, 07:22 AM
Dont waste your money on a catback system. Far too expensive for small gain you'll get. Really they are for sound only. Get a cutout if anything and then you can bypass the stock system.

BNaylor
05-31-2005, 09:20 AM
Dont waste your money on a catback system. Far too expensive for small gain you'll get. Really they are for sound only. Get a cutout if anything and then you can bypass the stock system.

On a practical basis I agree. If I thought any exhaust mod would give me the most bang for the buck I would have done that a long time ago. All I've got on my GTP is the u-bend delete and a hi-flow CAT. However, headers are a different issue but thats another story.

IMO - My original suggestion is hard to beat considering the cost factor.


http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

MIGTPGUY
05-31-2005, 10:23 PM
Kustom Kid is wise, i appreciate the suggestions, Bnaylor, i really didn't realize i could get those 3 mods for under 500$, thank you for your input. But in the end, i am going to save my money for a used BMW M3, trying to cop a 99 M3 coupe, about 5 grand short now.... and Bnaylor, im only 19, so any money i have left over goes towards Root Beer only :)......RIGHT.... what am i saying ;)

jeffs_GTP_sleeper
06-01-2005, 06:50 AM
Kustom Kid is wise, i appreciate the suggestions, Bnaylor, i really didn't realize i could get those 3 mods for under 500$, thank you for your input. But in the end, i am going to save my money for a used BMW M3, trying to cop a 99 M3 coupe, about 5 grand short now.... and Bnaylor, im only 19, so any money i have left over goes towards Root Beer only :)......RIGHT.... what am i saying ;)

There are alot of people alittle more interested in modding these cars over at clubgp.com or even 3800pro.com if you want some real help.


Just like when gambling NEVER bet... or in this case spend "scared" money.

Otherwise just have fun. These cars CAN be modded and maintained. Don't let the naysayers and people who suck at modding/maintaining their cars, persuade you differently.

Good luck!

BNaylor
06-01-2005, 09:08 AM
There are alot of people alittle more interested in modding these cars over at clubgp.com or even 3800pro.com if you want some real help.


Just like when gambling NEVER bet... or in this case spend "scared" money.

Otherwise just have fun. These cars CAN be modded and maintained. Don't let the naysayers and people who suck at modding/maintaining their cars, persuade you differently.

Good luck!

Hey Jim (KustomKid54) is this guy implying that we all are naysayers and suck at modding/maintaining our cars??


http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

kustomkid54
06-01-2005, 10:36 AM
Hey Jim (KustomKid54) is this guy implying that we all are naysayers and suck at modding/maintaining our cars??


http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

You know I had to read it twice. Never want to judge too fast. But, I would say he has. I guess we will just have to roll them back on the trailer and take them home.
You know I guess you would have to know Guy a little, to know what he wants. He loves his GP. But it's not his car of choice. We talked about it before. School and studies come first. But, he is smart enough to put money away for what he wants.
Boy I do hope someday we can become modders. Till then, I'm going out and oil the wheels on my walker.

BNaylor
06-01-2005, 11:13 AM
You know I had to read it twice. Never want to judge too fast. But, I would say he has. I guess we will just have to roll them back on the trailer and take them home.
You know I guess you would have to know Guy a little, to know what he wants. He loves his GP. But it's not his car of choice. We talked about it before. School and studies come first. But, he is smart enough to put money away for what he wants.
Boy I do hope someday we can become modders. Till then, I'm going out and oil the wheels on my walker.


Yeah, I thought so too! Nothing like getting flamed whether expressed or implied by a wet behind the ear college kid sucking off his mom and dad's bank account. :mad:

Wait till he needs warranty work or help on his '04 GTP when he blows the engine or tranny. :lol2:

Speaking of ClubGP, you know I didn't see his '04 GTP 1/4 mile time listed
.....11.91 @ 114.8???? Did you?



http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

kustomkid54
06-01-2005, 12:28 PM
Yeah, I thought so too! Nothing like getting flamed whether expressed or implied by a wet behind the ear college kid sucking off his mom and dad's bank account. :mad:

Wait till he needs warranty work or help on his '04 GTP when he blows the engine or tranny. :lol2:

Speaking of ClubGP, you know I didn't see his '04 GTP 1/4 mile time listed
.....11.91 @ 114.8???? Did you?



http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

Boy, I'm glad I didn't write that. 11.93 is pretty good time.
Speaking of parts? When are you going to change your list? I know, your waiting for someone to come down to TX, and blow their doors off, right?

BNaylor
06-01-2005, 12:55 PM
Boy, I'm glad I didn't write that. 11.93 is pretty good time.
Speaking of parts? When are you going to change your list? I know, your waiting for someone to come down to TX, and blow their doors off, right?


11.93? Is that real world, CAD system, or on a dyno? :lol2:

Oh, you mean the 3.25 SC pulley and Autolites? Lets see how I do at the strip this Saturday first. Anyone's welcome to come to West Texas and take us on (ThunderAlley Dragstrip - IHRA) but they better be tuned for over 4000 feet altitude and 100 degrees +.

As a backup son #2 has a '05 Suzuki Gixer Litre sportbike. That thing turns low 9s box stock. Maybe we can make some money in the process. :dunno:

I'll keep you posted.

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

kustomkid54
06-01-2005, 01:33 PM
11.93? Is that real world, CAD system, or on a dyno? :lol2:

Oh, you mean the 3.25 SC pulley and Autolites? Lets see how I do at the strip this Saturday first. Anyone's welcome to come to West Texas and take us on (ThunderAlley Dragstrip - IHRA) but they better be tuned for over 4000 feet altitude and 100 degrees +.

As a backup son #2 has a '05 Suzuki Gixer Litre sportbike. That thing turns low 9s box stock. Maybe we can make some money in the process. :dunno:

I'll keep you posted.

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph


No, I was talking about the wheelchair ramp.
You know, know of a couple of guys that are running 10's. But that takes alittle work.
You know talking about that. Knew I keep this for a reason;




Performance Recipes


How fast is my L67-powered car in stock form?

We get asked this question all the time, so we’re going to give this our best shot…

If you have a ’97 to ’02 GTP or GS, your car will run about 14.8 in the quarter mile in stock form. There are lots of variables here, but this is a realistic average based on our experiences. If you have an SSEi, your car will be about one second slower. The Bonneville’s are only a few hundred pounds heavier, but they are slower for several other reasons too:

additional weight (several hundred pounds)
poor weight distribution for drag racing (things like the battery in the back seat, aluminum hood, aluminum control arms and aluminum front bumper all work to reduce the percentage of weight on the front tires, resulting in less traction during acceleration)

larger front brakes (more rotating mass reduces power put to the ground)
larger tires and wheels (increased rotating mass takes more power to accelerate)

restrictive PCM (much more aggressive traction control system cannot be overridden by simply pulling a fuse; PCM will actually retard ignition timing if you try to power-brake the car)
no Performance Shift function (so shift points are lower and shifts are slower)
no air opening behind the headlight means that removing the headlight won’t give you any cold air
The Regal GS is slightly (a couple tenths) slower than a similarly equipped GTP, for some of the same reasons as the SSEi.

There are MANY different possible paths to get you to a certain performance goal. Following are some EXAMPLES of recipes that we know work:

How can I get my GTP or GS to run in the low fourteens?
one step colder thermostat (180 degrees)
one heat range colder spark plugs (AC Delco 41-932 or Autolite 605 or NGK TR55)
cold air induction
3.40” supercharger pulley

How can I get my GTP or GS to run in the high thirteen’s?
two heat ranges colder spark plugs (AC Delco 41-919 or Autolite 104 or NGK TR6)
cold air induction
3.25” supercharger pulley
INTENSE 1.90:1 rocker arms/pushrods package
free-flowing cat-back exhaust

How can I get my GTP or GS to run in the low thirteen’s?
two steps colder thermostat (160 degrees)
two heat ranges colder spark plugs (AC Delco 41-919 or Autolite 104 or NGK TR6)
cold air induction
3.10” supercharger pulley
INTENSE 1.90:1 rocker arms/pushrods package
SLP headers, downpipe and free-flowing cat-back exhaust
DHP PCM
mix of unleaded race fuel
drag radial tires

How can I get my GTP or GS to run in the high twelve’s?
two steps colder thermostat (160 degrees)
three heat ranges colder spark plugs (Autolite 103)
cold air induction
ZZP throttle body
3.00” supercharger pulley
Lucas 42.5 pound/hour fuel injectors
INTENSE Stage 1 Blower cam/pushrods/rockers package
SLP headers, downpipe and free-flowing cat-back exhaust
DHP PCM
mix of unleaded race fuel
INTENSE Transaxle with INTENSE Limited Slip Differential and 3.29:1 final drive
street slicks

How can I get my GTP or GS to run in the mid twelve’s?
two steps colder thermostat (160 degrees)
three heat ranges colder spark plugs (Autolite 103)
cold air induction
ZZP throttle body
ZZP supercharger
2.80” supercharger pulley
Walbro fuel pump
Lucas 42.5 pound/hour fuel injectors
ZZP intercooler
INTENSE Stage 2 cylinder heads
INTENSE Stage 2 Blower cam
SLP headers, downpipe and free-flowing cat-back exhaust
DHP PCM
mix of unleaded race fuel
INTENSE Transaxle with INTENSE Limited Slip Differential and 3.69:1 final drive
street slicks

All the above numbers are GUIDELINES only, and make a few assumptions:
We assume you race at a reasonable altitude. You won’t be able to match these times if your track is 5,000 feet above sea level for example.
We assume that you race in good weather conditions. You won’t be able to match these times on a hot, humid day with low barometric pressure.
We assume that basic race preparation is done to the car. Remove the spare, empty the trunk, remove the floor mats, race with a quarter tank of fuel, set your tire pressures properly, etc.

We assume that you launch your car effectively. This is the most important part of the quarter mile race, and without a good launch, you will NOT be able to achieve your best E.T.
Yep, alot of work.

BNaylor
06-01-2005, 02:11 PM
Nice tips Jim (KustomKid54). Anythings possible but its all relative to how dinero $$$ you are willing to shell out. Money buys anything to include women.

Evidently, the L32 GTPs with the Series III 3800 takes to mods better than the older RPO L67. Must be that Eaton Gen 5 blower over the Gen 3 or that new electronic throttle control. The GM engineers must have done something miraculous to the FWD, drivetrain/gearing and 4T65E - HD tranny to sustain high 11 - 12 seconds runs. Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. Just my 2 cents. :2cents:

At least I've made the 91K mile mark (no engine or tranny problems) on my GTP without destroying the resale value.

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

kustomkid54
06-01-2005, 02:34 PM
Nice tips Jim (KustomKid54). Anythings possible but its all relative to how dinero $$$ you are willing to shell out. Money buys anything to include women.

Evidently, the L32 GTPs with the Series III 3800 takes to mods better than the older RPO L67. Must be that Eaton Gen 5 blower over the Gen 3 or that new electronic throttle control. The GM engineers must have done something miraculous to the FWD, drivetrain/gearing and 4T65E - HD tranny to sustain high 11 - 12 seconds runs. Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. Just my 2 cents. :2cents:

At least I've made the 91K mile mark (no engine or tranny problems) on my GTP without destroying the resale value.

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.4 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 180 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, AC Delco 41-932 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt
ET: 14.3 @ 96 mph

Resale? Had a kid wanting to buy my car. He wrote and asked how much. Hadn't thought about it. Gave him 3 prices, with and without stuff. He wanted the car done with everything. Then he wanted it for a $1,000.00 less then I wanted for it with nothing. That's not young. That's plan dumb.

Don't forget the pictures this weekend.
Good luck.

jeffs_GTP_sleeper
06-01-2005, 04:00 PM
Speaking of ClubGP, you know I didn't see his '04 GTP 1/4 mile time listed
.....11.91 @ 114.8???? Did you?


It is there listed on the first page at [email protected]. My name over there is jeff johnson.

I am also listed on 3800pro.com here:
http://www.3800pro.com/lists/fwdquarter.html

This is my slip:
http://gtpsleeper.freewebpages.org/PB11s.JPG



Do you need a vid of my 11.9 pass? Here:
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/gtpsleeper5/11.9_114mph.wmv
rightclick and save

No I have never blown a tranny/engine. if it does happen I will have to eat 3-600 on another shortblock, which isn't that bad. I have been to the track many times with consistant 114mph traps and no problems.

Have fun sucking at modding!

BNaylor
06-01-2005, 06:15 PM
No I have never blown a tranny/engine. if it does happen I will have to eat 3-600 on another shortblock, which isn't that bad. I have been to the track many times with consistant 114mph traps and no problems.

Have fun sucking at modding!

Oh wow! Deep pockets. When you get to our age in life you'll find other things to do keep yourself gainfully active and employed and not have to depend on mom & dad's money modding some car that will be worthless in less than 5 years. We may be old, cynical and crusty but we're not stupid.

You know I really don't think that any one on the GP forum gives a hoot about you or your car.

Plus you should think about improving your vocabulary or just stick to the Street Racer forum. That's twice you said that word.

When you make it to 91K miles and 7 consecutive years at the dragstrip with your GTP actually winning money then come back and talk your B.S.

Everything was fine on the message thread until you threw in your 2 cents and flamed everyone. The original poster was limited to a $500 budget and in the end made the right choice by not wasting a dime on his GTP.


http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.25 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 160 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, Autolite 104 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials
ET/0-60 ft: Pending

kustomkid54
06-01-2005, 06:29 PM
Oh wow! Deep pockets. When you get to our age in life you'll find other things to do keep yourself gainfully active and employed and not have to depend on mom & dad's money modding some car that will be worthless in less than 5 years. We may be old, cynical and crusty but we're not stupid.

You know I really don't think that any one on the GP forum gives a hoot about you or your car.

Plus you should think about improving your vocabulary or just stick to the Street Racer forum. That's twice you said that word.

When you make it to 91K miles and 7 consecutive years at the dragstrip with your GTP actually winning money then come back and talk your B.S.

Everything was fine on the message thread until you threw in your 2 cents and flamed everyone. The original poster was limited to a $500 budget and in the end made the right choice by not wasting a dime on his GTP.


http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.25 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 160 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, Autolite 104 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials
ET/0-60 ft: Pending


Bob,
Check your computer. It seems to have a "dumb magnet" on it lately. Wonder if he's friends with.............

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/kustomkid54/taz2170.jpg
Told you he would be back.

BNaylor
06-01-2005, 07:35 PM
Bob,
Check your computer. It seems to have a "dumb magnet" on it lately. Wonder if he's friends with.............

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/kustomkid54/taz2170.jpg
Told you he would be back.

Heeeeeees back! Isn't that virtual police officer Big-L. Yeah a lot of B.S. comes down my DSL line. Speaking of computers I'm taking delivery sometime next week of a new P4 3.0Ghz plus computer and getting ready to swap out. Do you think that if I put an intercooler on my CPU that it would void my warranty? How about a 10 psi waste gate for turbo mode? :lol2:

"I feel the need for speed". Later.

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.25 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 160 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, Autolite 104 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials
ET/0-60 ft: Pending

jeffs_GTP_sleeper
06-01-2005, 07:35 PM
Sorry you have to resort to bashing my family.

Money is not a controlling factor in my life. I am sorry you are a slave to the dollar.

I have fun riding in my modded grand prix, sorry you have not had the same experience.

Sorry you can't accept the fact that it is possible to spend $500 on a Grand prix and be happy with the results. If you want to have a closed mind fine.

Have a great day.

BNaylor
06-01-2005, 08:15 PM
Money is not a controlling factor in my life. I am sorry you are a slave to the dollar.

I have fun riding in my modded grand prix, sorry you have not had the same experience.


I wouldn't think that money is a controlling factor in your life, especially if you don't have any and are depending on mom & dad footing the bill.

Have fun riding in your GTP and have a nice life.

As to experiences, I have more fun with this. Yes, its modded to the gills too but the only difference is it takes a real man to ride one and win. Haven't lost a single race the past year and a half in the Vet. class. BTW - I'm over 50 y.o. and started out with a 1970 Chevy SS454 LS6 which was a real musclecar.

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/hondacr.jpg

kustomkid54
06-01-2005, 08:46 PM
Sorry you have to resort to bashing my family.

Money is not a controlling factor in my life. I am sorry you are a slave to the dollar.

I have fun riding in my modded grand prix, sorry you have not had the same experience.

Sorry you can't accept the fact that it is possible to spend $500 on a Grand prix and be happy with the results. If you want to have a closed mind fine.

Have a great day.

There is no troubles here. If you would have read the posts, you would have seen the reply from the man that made it. He doesn't really want to spend the money, he wants a BMW. He has from the first day that he came on this site.
I know you came from another part of this site, which is great. If you had spent a little more time here, you would know the people. The guys that have been here a while are pretty close. We email each other more then we are on here.
OH, also. The one nice thing about old people. Have have the things in life already that we hope you do when you hit 50. I like to buy cars and hold them for my kids. I still have the 1966 GTO I bought in 1966. Also has less mileage then your o4.
We enjoy cars. We enjoy the company of friends. If you are going to spend time here, relax, enjoy, have fun.

jeffs_GTP_sleeper
06-01-2005, 09:08 PM
Why are you so interested in my money and my moms and pops?

A real man does not come on a message board to claim he is a real man.

You are beyond help if all you see are stereotypes. Sorry you are so fargone.

Nice bike.

BNaylor
06-01-2005, 09:30 PM
You are beyond help if all you see are stereotypes. Sorry you are so fargone.

Nice bike.

If you think that I'm that fargone or crazy you ought to see me freestyle off a 30 feet sand dune. :lol2: BTW - Glad you liked the bike.


http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y186/lizzywiz/gtp.jpg
Thrasher CAI, DHP v1.0 ECU, Granatelli CAI Tuneable MAF,
3.25 SC pulley, Hi-Flow CAT, u-bend delete, 160 TS,
TB spacer, MSD 8.5mm wires, Autolite 104 spark plugs,
Goodyear Gatorback Serp. & SC Belt, Nitto NT555R Drag Radials

kustomkid54
06-01-2005, 09:31 PM
Why are you so interested in my money and my moms and pops?

A real man does not come on a message board to claim he is a real man.

You are beyond help if all you see are stereotypes. Sorry you are so fargone.

Nice bike.

Not interested in your's or your Mother's or Fathers money. Just replying to replies above.
But, I know I'm not interasted in talking with you anymore.
Enjoy whatever you do. Hope things turn out well for you.

BNaylor
06-02-2005, 02:13 AM
Not interested in your's or your Mother's or Fathers money. Just replying to replies above.
But, I know I'm not interasted in talking with you anymore.
Enjoy whatever you do. Hope things turn out well for you.

Jim, the best thing to do is ignore him. He who angers you controls you. Let him be someone elses problem. Good night.


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jeffs_GTP_sleeper
06-02-2005, 02:51 PM
Of course you will be angry if you can only see stereotypes.

Go Bush!
Eat Meat!
Drink Beer!
Reiterate the Fox news to your family!
Woot Woot!

MIGTPGUY
06-03-2005, 03:32 PM
Yo, Jeff, i dont need you sticking up for me. You come on here and flame the regulars who i have come to like over the few months i have been here, just do us a favor and leave. You are the reason why my generation gets a bad rep and i get atleast 2 of the "Hey, you having fun in mommy's car" comments when i take my BMW out. Just shut it man and stop disrespecting the people i have come to respect. BTW, your 04 GTP looks pretty quick....in a straight line on a drag strip.... is that what you call driving talent.... timing the green light and mashing the gas pedal down while the automatic takes care of the rest? Bring your 04 to a real street track and my BMW will carve Laps around you. *FLAMMED*

jeffs_GTP_sleeper
06-03-2005, 04:40 PM
It does take some skill to launch these things but I am not very good at that anyways. never said I was.

At the Bondurant test day I was invited to, when we did the road course I did fairly well compared to the good clubgp drivers and the Bondurant Track workers. But I am by no means a great driver on a road course or even at the track.

What I have been able to accomplish was modding a 15sec car to run 11.9-12.1@114-115mph and 1.7-1.8 60's consistantly for 6-7months without any engine/trans trouble. While the length of time is still relatively short, for a high powered GP it is not bad.
I do believe it took some amount of monitoring/maintenance to keep everything in working order on my 420+hp/400+lbs tq GP.

BTW:
I have only spent my money on this car. I paid cash in full the day I got it. I am sorry I dont have a story to explain how I got the money, but then again is that really your concern?

our 04 GTP looks pretty quick....in a straight line on a drag strip....
It is fast on the street, even with 1-2#s less boost and an extra 100lbs...

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