01 GT Vs. cobra
mattpe
05-27-2005, 10:44 PM
I own an 01 GT and i was wondering what info or websites ppl could give me to compare builind this car to building a cobra....
I am looking to ideally get about 400 -450 at the wheels
and some ppl i talk to say that if i buy a cobra and build it im just going to take off the cobra parts and replace them...
they say its better and more cost effective to put a turob or a supercharger on my GT and build it.
any info would be great thanks
I am looking to ideally get about 400 -450 at the wheels
and some ppl i talk to say that if i buy a cobra and build it im just going to take off the cobra parts and replace them...
they say its better and more cost effective to put a turob or a supercharger on my GT and build it.
any info would be great thanks
GTStang
05-28-2005, 07:21 AM
I own an 01 GT and i was wondering what info or websites ppl could give me to compare builind this car to building a cobra....
I am looking to ideally get about 400 -450 at the wheels
and some ppl i talk to say that if i buy a cobra and build it im just going to take off the cobra parts and replace them...
they say its better and more cost effective to put a turob or a supercharger on my GT and build it.
any info would be great thanks
What year Cobra?
I am looking to ideally get about 400 -450 at the wheels
and some ppl i talk to say that if i buy a cobra and build it im just going to take off the cobra parts and replace them...
they say its better and more cost effective to put a turob or a supercharger on my GT and build it.
any info would be great thanks
What year Cobra?
mattpe
05-28-2005, 10:01 AM
an 03 or an 04!
TheStang00
05-28-2005, 03:34 PM
ok well you have to consider this, your gt has a sohc 2v engine, the cobra has a 4v dohc engine. if you want your engine to be as badass as a cobras your going to have to convert it to a dohc 4v. but id say youd probably save money by just sticking with your gt and building on it, the other thing to consider though is that your car has a solid axle, the cobra has IRS, if you want to be superfast through corners your going to be at a big dissadvantage right off the bat. but the solid axle is better fot straight line raceing. you can buy suspension upgrades though and make your car handle really well with that solid axle. ive heard the 5-link upgrade is decent but not sure on that one.
Muscletang
05-28-2005, 03:44 PM
ok well you have to consider this, your gt has a sohc 2v engine, the cobra has a 4v dohc engine. if you want your engine to be as badass as a cobras your going to have to convert it to a dohc 4v.
Lets not forget those insides. I'm no expert but I doubt the engine and drive-line from an '01 GT can take 1000 horsepower.
Lets not forget those insides. I'm no expert but I doubt the engine and drive-line from an '01 GT can take 1000 horsepower.
GTStang
05-29-2005, 07:47 AM
Ok well 01 GT motor vs 03-04 Cobra motor: 450hp at the rear wheels
The people you talk to don't know shit.... you don't even have to take off a cam cover on an 03-04 Cobra motor to make a 1000hp so you definetly wouldn't have to to make 450RWHP. You can make that wit simple bolts on like full exhuast, CAI, smaller blower pulley and a good tune. If you want to start making 500RWHP you need to start thinking about a bigger FI set-up wether it be a Kenne Bell, A centrifugal S/C, or turbo's. Bottom line is the 03-04 Cobra long block is 20times what the 2V GT long block is. But it really may be of no use to you...
99-04 GT motor you can also make 450RWHP but your gonna need to buy a liquid or air-cooled S/C set-up to make low 400's. Then if you want to make the other 50hp your gonna need full exhuast and prob some intake stuff too.
The people you talk to don't know shit.... you don't even have to take off a cam cover on an 03-04 Cobra motor to make a 1000hp so you definetly wouldn't have to to make 450RWHP. You can make that wit simple bolts on like full exhuast, CAI, smaller blower pulley and a good tune. If you want to start making 500RWHP you need to start thinking about a bigger FI set-up wether it be a Kenne Bell, A centrifugal S/C, or turbo's. Bottom line is the 03-04 Cobra long block is 20times what the 2V GT long block is. But it really may be of no use to you...
99-04 GT motor you can also make 450RWHP but your gonna need to buy a liquid or air-cooled S/C set-up to make low 400's. Then if you want to make the other 50hp your gonna need full exhuast and prob some intake stuff too.
mattpe
05-29-2005, 10:57 AM
ok so heres my thought.......
a stock 03 cobra is 390 at the crank so figure roughly 315 at the wheels
i dynoed my car with a full flowmaster exhaust and i put 245 to the wheels
also my car is payed off.....so im thinking
i have to come up w roughly 60 - 70 HP to make what a stock cobra makes......
i am thinking
stand alone fuel management system
Bigger injectors
fuel pump
T4 turbo
fron mount intercooler
run about 10 psi
i should easily make up the difference if not get more and then i dont have a bigger car payment either....
what you guys think
a stock 03 cobra is 390 at the crank so figure roughly 315 at the wheels
i dynoed my car with a full flowmaster exhaust and i put 245 to the wheels
also my car is payed off.....so im thinking
i have to come up w roughly 60 - 70 HP to make what a stock cobra makes......
i am thinking
stand alone fuel management system
Bigger injectors
fuel pump
T4 turbo
fron mount intercooler
run about 10 psi
i should easily make up the difference if not get more and then i dont have a bigger car payment either....
what you guys think
mattpe
05-29-2005, 11:16 AM
also....
can anyone get me a price on a kenne bell for an 03 cobra??
can anyone get me a price on a kenne bell for an 03 cobra??
boosted331
05-29-2005, 11:42 AM
ok so heres my thought.......
a stock 03 cobra is 390 at the crank so figure roughly 315 at the wheels
i dynoed my car with a full flowmaster exhaust and i put 245 to the wheels
Bone stock 03's typically dyno 370-380, you're a ways off champ.
also my car is payed off.....so im thinking
i have to come up w roughly 60 - 70 HP to make what a stock cobra makes......
i am thinking
stand alone fuel management system
Bigger injectors
fuel pump
T4 turbo
fron mount intercooler
run about 10 psi
i should easily make up the difference if not get more and then i dont have a bigger car payment either....
what you guys think
That might make up the difference, but then you have a car with weak powdered metal rods, and thin ringlands that are ready to let go at a moments notice at 400+ RWHP. You can pick up an 03 in the lower 20's if you look hard enough now. An 03 with full exhaust, CAI, pullies, and a tune will make more than 450 RWHP with stone cold reliability. Get tired of that? Drop a little over 3K for an FRPP/Whipple twin screw and a bit more on bigger injectors and dual focus pumps and you will have a reliable 600 RWHP car. If you try and do that with a 2V car you need ported heads, cams, different intake manifold, a built shortblock, etc, etc, etc.
a stock 03 cobra is 390 at the crank so figure roughly 315 at the wheels
i dynoed my car with a full flowmaster exhaust and i put 245 to the wheels
Bone stock 03's typically dyno 370-380, you're a ways off champ.
also my car is payed off.....so im thinking
i have to come up w roughly 60 - 70 HP to make what a stock cobra makes......
i am thinking
stand alone fuel management system
Bigger injectors
fuel pump
T4 turbo
fron mount intercooler
run about 10 psi
i should easily make up the difference if not get more and then i dont have a bigger car payment either....
what you guys think
That might make up the difference, but then you have a car with weak powdered metal rods, and thin ringlands that are ready to let go at a moments notice at 400+ RWHP. You can pick up an 03 in the lower 20's if you look hard enough now. An 03 with full exhaust, CAI, pullies, and a tune will make more than 450 RWHP with stone cold reliability. Get tired of that? Drop a little over 3K for an FRPP/Whipple twin screw and a bit more on bigger injectors and dual focus pumps and you will have a reliable 600 RWHP car. If you try and do that with a 2V car you need ported heads, cams, different intake manifold, a built shortblock, etc, etc, etc.
boosted331
05-29-2005, 11:47 AM
ok so heres my thought.......
a stock 03 cobra is 390 at the crank so figure roughly 315 at the wheels
i dynoed my car with a full flowmaster exhaust and i put 245 to the wheels
Bone stock 03's typically dyno 370-380, you're a ways off champ.
also my car is payed off.....so im thinking
i have to come up w roughly 60 - 70 HP to make what a stock cobra makes......
i am thinking
stand alone fuel management system
Bigger injectors
fuel pump
T4 turbo
fron mount intercooler
run about 10 psi
i should easily make up the difference if not get more and then i dont have a bigger car payment either....
what you guys think
That might make up the difference, but then you have a car with weak powdered metal rods, and thin ringlands that are ready to let go at a moments notice at 400+ RWHP. You can pick up an 03 in the lower 20's if you look hard enough now. An 03 with full exhaust, CAI, pullies, and a tune will make more than 450 RWHP with stone cold reliability. Get tired of that? Drop a little over 3K for an FRPP/Whipple twin screw and a bit more on bigger injectors and dual focus pumps and you will have a reliable 600 RWHP car. If you try and do that with a 2V car you need ported heads, cams, different intake manifold, a built shortblock, etc, etc, etc.
a stock 03 cobra is 390 at the crank so figure roughly 315 at the wheels
i dynoed my car with a full flowmaster exhaust and i put 245 to the wheels
Bone stock 03's typically dyno 370-380, you're a ways off champ.
also my car is payed off.....so im thinking
i have to come up w roughly 60 - 70 HP to make what a stock cobra makes......
i am thinking
stand alone fuel management system
Bigger injectors
fuel pump
T4 turbo
fron mount intercooler
run about 10 psi
i should easily make up the difference if not get more and then i dont have a bigger car payment either....
what you guys think
That might make up the difference, but then you have a car with weak powdered metal rods, and thin ringlands that are ready to let go at a moments notice at 400+ RWHP. You can pick up an 03 in the lower 20's if you look hard enough now. An 03 with full exhaust, CAI, pullies, and a tune will make more than 450 RWHP with stone cold reliability. Get tired of that? Drop a little over 3K for an FRPP/Whipple twin screw and a bit more on bigger injectors and dual focus pumps and you will have a reliable 600 RWHP car. If you try and do that with a 2V car you need ported heads, cams, different intake manifold, a built shortblock, etc, etc, etc.
mattpe
05-29-2005, 05:19 PM
how do u figure? there rated for 390 @ the crank?
add around 15 -20 percent drivetrain loss....
so around 320 -330? i wasnt to far off!
add around 15 -20 percent drivetrain loss....
so around 320 -330? i wasnt to far off!
stang805
05-29-2005, 05:30 PM
the stock '03 cobra with a power chip and overdrive pully on the blower will make 450 rwhp
Muscletang
05-29-2005, 05:43 PM
how do u figure? there rated for 390 @ the crank?
add around 15 -20 percent drivetrain loss....
so around 320 -330? i wasnt to far off!
I don't think Ford does it at the crank. I think Ford does their horsepower test after the transmission so the drivetrain loss won't be as much as you would think. I think the highest dyno I've seen was done by 5.0 when they put it up against the '00 Cobra R. I think they got around 360 rwhp.
add around 15 -20 percent drivetrain loss....
so around 320 -330? i wasnt to far off!
I don't think Ford does it at the crank. I think Ford does their horsepower test after the transmission so the drivetrain loss won't be as much as you would think. I think the highest dyno I've seen was done by 5.0 when they put it up against the '00 Cobra R. I think they got around 360 rwhp.
boosted331
05-29-2005, 06:54 PM
how do u figure? there rated for 390 @ the crank?
add around 15 -20 percent drivetrain loss....
so around 320 -330? i wasnt to far off!
Heard of a car being underrated? :rolleyes:
Just like the LS1 F-bodies were "rated" at 325 HP but were putting down anywhere from about 290 on a weak automatic car to as much as 310 RWHP bone stock.
405 RWHP 370 RWTQ, BONE STOCK 03 with a K&N FIPK (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24621)
432 RWHP 400 RWTQ, 03 with stock pully, CAI, catback, and a tune (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15729)
I'd find more but i'm too lazy and SVTperformance's search is down.
Tip: If you don't even know that 03/04's are underrated, don't worry about trying to build a 450 RWHP car.
add around 15 -20 percent drivetrain loss....
so around 320 -330? i wasnt to far off!
Heard of a car being underrated? :rolleyes:
Just like the LS1 F-bodies were "rated" at 325 HP but were putting down anywhere from about 290 on a weak automatic car to as much as 310 RWHP bone stock.
405 RWHP 370 RWTQ, BONE STOCK 03 with a K&N FIPK (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24621)
432 RWHP 400 RWTQ, 03 with stock pully, CAI, catback, and a tune (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15729)
I'd find more but i'm too lazy and SVTperformance's search is down.
Tip: If you don't even know that 03/04's are underrated, don't worry about trying to build a 450 RWHP car.
mattpe
05-29-2005, 09:30 PM
thats why im researching u jack ass
sorry if i asked for help....
i know more about other cars and if u needed help about them or had ?'s i would help u i WOULD not critize u!~
sorry if i asked for help....
i know more about other cars and if u needed help about them or had ?'s i would help u i WOULD not critize u!~
TheStang00
05-29-2005, 11:46 PM
ok well so far what you should have gotten out of this... you might want to consider upgrading your internals b4 putting on a big blower, and if you gonna upgrade your internals you might as well upgrade them a bunch so you can run a lot of psi
boosted331
05-30-2005, 12:03 AM
thats why im researching u jack ass
sorry if i asked for help....
i know more about other cars and if u needed help about them or had ?'s i would help u i WOULD not critize u!~
And like I said, hold off on your horsepower aspirations before you go buy a fast car and wrap it around a tree.
sorry if i asked for help....
i know more about other cars and if u needed help about them or had ?'s i would help u i WOULD not critize u!~
And like I said, hold off on your horsepower aspirations before you go buy a fast car and wrap it around a tree.
GTStang
05-30-2005, 12:32 AM
ok well so far what you should have gotten out of this... you might want to consider upgrading your internals b4 putting on a big blower, and if you gonna upgrade your internals you might as well upgrade them a bunch so you can run a lot of psi
Or why not just buy a used 03-04 Cobra and save money.... The 03-04 Cobra's are already packing made for big boost internals and free-flowing 4V heads.
An 03-04 Cobra motor is not just a 4.6 4V motor wit a blower....
The bottom line is you can probably make the same hp wit a 99-04 GT as an 03-04 Cobra for similair money counting the cost of the car in the 400RWHP range. But it in no way is going to be as reliable as the 03-04 Cobra motor.
And once you get in the mid 400+HP range you have a good chance of internals of the GT will start breaking. Also you not gonna make much more hp on the GT longblock w/o spending a lot of money wit built shortblocks and worked over heads etc.. etc..,
Or why not just buy a used 03-04 Cobra and save money.... The 03-04 Cobra's are already packing made for big boost internals and free-flowing 4V heads.
An 03-04 Cobra motor is not just a 4.6 4V motor wit a blower....
The bottom line is you can probably make the same hp wit a 99-04 GT as an 03-04 Cobra for similair money counting the cost of the car in the 400RWHP range. But it in no way is going to be as reliable as the 03-04 Cobra motor.
And once you get in the mid 400+HP range you have a good chance of internals of the GT will start breaking. Also you not gonna make much more hp on the GT longblock w/o spending a lot of money wit built shortblocks and worked over heads etc.. etc..,
Ghost96Gt
05-30-2005, 02:29 PM
Personally i think you should get the corba for a few reasons
1. a kenne bell blower is about 4400 for a intercooled one
2. The corba is more relible
3. Corba has better brakes and suspension making it a better all around car. Especally if its gonna be a street care IRS is good at keeping the car stable at speeds and bumps (well better then the soild axle)
4. Their is more Respect or perstiqe(sp) (i cant spell worth crap)
5. Once you get 400 rwhp your must likly gonna want more and it will be cheaper with the corba in the long run.
Another option is buying a 03 corba motor at a swap meet with tranny i saw one for 5500 dollers then droping that in your car.
Also the rearend in a corba is stronger then a gt's (correct me if i am wrong) and its one thing to have a 500 or 400 rwhp car but the engine isnt the anything that brecks you can breck axles and trannys. so your gonna need to upgrade your rearend and thats over 1000 dollers pry in the 2000 doller range. thats just my 2 cents.
1. a kenne bell blower is about 4400 for a intercooled one
2. The corba is more relible
3. Corba has better brakes and suspension making it a better all around car. Especally if its gonna be a street care IRS is good at keeping the car stable at speeds and bumps (well better then the soild axle)
4. Their is more Respect or perstiqe(sp) (i cant spell worth crap)
5. Once you get 400 rwhp your must likly gonna want more and it will be cheaper with the corba in the long run.
Another option is buying a 03 corba motor at a swap meet with tranny i saw one for 5500 dollers then droping that in your car.
Also the rearend in a corba is stronger then a gt's (correct me if i am wrong) and its one thing to have a 500 or 400 rwhp car but the engine isnt the anything that brecks you can breck axles and trannys. so your gonna need to upgrade your rearend and thats over 1000 dollers pry in the 2000 doller range. thats just my 2 cents.
boosted331
05-30-2005, 03:19 PM
It's a Cobra, not a corba.
The 8.8" live axle is significantly stronger than the IRS. People have gone 9's no problem on stock 8.8's. To make your 8.8 bulletproof basically all you need is some 31 spline axles and a 31 spline diff, or about 400 bucks. Halfshafts for the Cobra IRS get to be mighty expensive.
The 8.8" live axle is significantly stronger than the IRS. People have gone 9's no problem on stock 8.8's. To make your 8.8 bulletproof basically all you need is some 31 spline axles and a 31 spline diff, or about 400 bucks. Halfshafts for the Cobra IRS get to be mighty expensive.
mattpe
05-31-2005, 03:08 PM
thank u all for ur info but i just read a snake bit article
in this article they tka e abone stock 03 cobra and put it on the dyno and put a kenne bell on it and get 604 rwhp
with everything else stock!!!
so i will by the cobra and buy the kenne bell
thanks everyone!
in this article they tka e abone stock 03 cobra and put it on the dyno and put a kenne bell on it and get 604 rwhp
with everything else stock!!!
so i will by the cobra and buy the kenne bell
thanks everyone!
Ghost96Gt
05-31-2005, 05:34 PM
no problem mate good luck with your project.
boosted331
06-01-2005, 01:37 PM
thank u all for ur info but i just read a snake bit article
in this article they tka e abone stock 03 cobra and put it on the dyno and put a kenne bell on it and get 604 rwhp
with everything else stock!!!
so i will by the cobra and buy the kenne bell
thanks everyone!
If you get a cobra, hold off on the KB. First time you mash the gas in the 03 you'll likely soil yourself, and that's more than enough power to hurt yourself in. A stock eaton with bolt ons can make 500 RWHP on pump gas, you don't need a KB for a while.
in this article they tka e abone stock 03 cobra and put it on the dyno and put a kenne bell on it and get 604 rwhp
with everything else stock!!!
so i will by the cobra and buy the kenne bell
thanks everyone!
If you get a cobra, hold off on the KB. First time you mash the gas in the 03 you'll likely soil yourself, and that's more than enough power to hurt yourself in. A stock eaton with bolt ons can make 500 RWHP on pump gas, you don't need a KB for a while.
97MUSTANGGT
06-03-2005, 05:02 PM
I believe the gt will win
TheStang00
06-04-2005, 11:28 AM
I believe the gt will win
you would...
you would...
351wStang
06-04-2005, 12:09 PM
you would...
lmao :comprage1
lmao :comprage1
Muscletang
06-04-2005, 01:42 PM
I believe the gt will win
:wtf:
:wtf:
97MUSTANGGT
06-04-2005, 11:56 PM
yep
351wStang
06-05-2005, 01:17 PM
yep
Dude, you are obviously clueless.. Ask questions, receive answeres, learn some, then come back and offer worthy advice.
But most of all....Grow Up!! This ya he will win cause I said so shit is a waiste of space. So in the future please dont be a dingbat. Shut up and you might learn something. Such as why the GT is at a disadvantage?
Dude, you are obviously clueless.. Ask questions, receive answeres, learn some, then come back and offer worthy advice.
But most of all....Grow Up!! This ya he will win cause I said so shit is a waiste of space. So in the future please dont be a dingbat. Shut up and you might learn something. Such as why the GT is at a disadvantage?
Whathits14
06-10-2005, 01:54 PM
ok so heres my thought.......
a stock 03 cobra is 390 at the crank so figure roughly 315 at the wheels
i dynoed my car with a full flowmaster exhaust and i put 245 to the wheels
also my car is payed off.....so im thinking
i have to come up w roughly 60 - 70 HP to make what a stock cobra makes......
i am thinking
stand alone fuel management system
Bigger injectors
fuel pump
T4 turbo
fron mount intercooler
run about 10 psi
i should easily make up the difference if not get more and then i dont have a bigger car payment either....
what you guys think
Well I'm new to mustangs in general but know lots about cars....looking to get me a 'stang sometime soon. As of now I drive a 95 eagle talon fwd turbo. Saw this setup suggested and would like to make some comments.
First off, this setup will cost you a shitload of money. Stock internals won't be able to take 10psi for very long. You will detonate your engine to death. For a GT with stock internals, plan on running closer to 5 psi.
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/96-04%20Mustang.htm
These guys know what they are doing. GT w/ stall converter 468rwhp 8psi. Keep in mind that this car is not running pump gas. 6.3 grand. You can usualy run 3-5 psi more than street gas on race gas, but this is for a car built for FI. I wouldent run more than 3 over stock with 110 race gas, 4over with 116. But by the time your mustang is running 9psi you should be worrying about your rods snapping.
a stock 03 cobra is 390 at the crank so figure roughly 315 at the wheels
i dynoed my car with a full flowmaster exhaust and i put 245 to the wheels
also my car is payed off.....so im thinking
i have to come up w roughly 60 - 70 HP to make what a stock cobra makes......
i am thinking
stand alone fuel management system
Bigger injectors
fuel pump
T4 turbo
fron mount intercooler
run about 10 psi
i should easily make up the difference if not get more and then i dont have a bigger car payment either....
what you guys think
Well I'm new to mustangs in general but know lots about cars....looking to get me a 'stang sometime soon. As of now I drive a 95 eagle talon fwd turbo. Saw this setup suggested and would like to make some comments.
First off, this setup will cost you a shitload of money. Stock internals won't be able to take 10psi for very long. You will detonate your engine to death. For a GT with stock internals, plan on running closer to 5 psi.
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/96-04%20Mustang.htm
These guys know what they are doing. GT w/ stall converter 468rwhp 8psi. Keep in mind that this car is not running pump gas. 6.3 grand. You can usualy run 3-5 psi more than street gas on race gas, but this is for a car built for FI. I wouldent run more than 3 over stock with 110 race gas, 4over with 116. But by the time your mustang is running 9psi you should be worrying about your rods snapping.
eillob
06-13-2005, 10:02 PM
dampachi
06-13-2005, 11:33 PM
Get a honda civic. Don't hurt a poor cobra. :(
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