2002 Civic si

Ok dont know if this is the right place to post this but i cant figure it out. why did honda stop using the b16 in the si? what is up with this k seriors. the word on it is that it has no power at any rpms anyone have one. the b16 kicks ass why stop using it.
ryan

like it or not, the B16 is a relatively archaic motor. Technology advances and thats why the B16 has been replaced. The Kseries does have a lot of response from what i hear. I think the new Si is a bit porkier than the other bodystyle though

i get it you cant stand in the way of progress. you think that the pokier speed in the new model is the reason that honda is bringing the type R here? Is the engine in the rsx type s the same enigne in the si just tuned diff?? and is the rsx 160 engine the same as the si??
ryan

Yes.
The 160hp engine in the base model if the RSX/Integra is the same engine thats in the new USDM Si, while the New Civic Type-R gets a 200hp version.
What this means its very very easy to swap either a 200hp engine from a JDM CTR, or a USDM RSX into a new USDM Civic Si.

As for it being unresponsive, I find that hard to believe, its got the same peak hp as the old B16a, but has a lot more torque and is a 2.0L over a 1600.

more importantly why did they start using the D series engines in the civic :rolleyes:

I don't like the new K engines because they don't rev as high as the Bs but with the new IVtec what ever its called... it has a much better power band look at a dyno chart you will see alot of low mid and high torque/HP
I think if your all about racing the B engines are the best! but if your trying to sell cars to a wider groupe of people I've found that most reviews from younger guys love the high reving torqueless engines yet the older guys hated them becuase you had no power unless you pushed the engine

I still think they should have stayed with the B engines because they seem to be a better race engine setup

I look at it this way honda was working on the K engines for Im sure quite some time if they really thought of it as a pure race engine then how come its not in the S2000?

oh yeah and btw I have a D series engine with trans/ECU waiting for some one to pick it up if you want it I will trade you for another B16 or even maybe a B18 let me know

Yeah I looked at the new si last night. Its not half as cool as the Rsx and the dealership had it marked up to the same price as a stock Rsx.
They have the same engine and drive train, but the Rsx looks way cooler inside and out. Personall I would just buy and Rsx-Type S and throw on one of those Jackson racing super-chargers and some nice exhaust, maybe intercooler and gas line mods. It would be way cooler than an civic type R unless they used the coupe.:)

hell yeah a type r coupe iv been saying that since the 99 si came out. but it would have to be the 99 body style cause the new coupe is a joke for tuning. But when the type r civic does come how does honda plan on moving them? They will be asking what $22,000 , $25,000? I dont know about you guys but can think of a better car for that money like a used supra? Or a 99 si with money to make it perfect. I love hondas and i always wanted the type r to come here but now i relize why it never did the price factor. Lets look at it on the bright side the price for si's will go down. I dont know honda really messed up when they redesinged the civic in 2001.
ryan

Originally posted by Adeptus machanicus
It would be way cooler than an civic type R unless they used the coupe.:)

EKs are better :finger: lol. I love the type-r hatches!

it doesn't matter what motor you have. pull your head out of your ass and do something with it. not intake and exhaust. rebuild and forced induction of some kind. what is wrong with you people???



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Does anyone know why the base RSX has 141 ft/lbs @ 4000 rpm and the civic si has 132 ft/lbs @ 5000 rpm if they are the same motor?

im not sure but it probly has somethin to do with the way that they tune the engine. I mean look at b16s some have 130 hp and some have 160 HP
ryan

I own the new K-series Si and I've been very impressed with the engines power. Unlike the older Si where you use it's high Rpm and fast shifts to get it's power. With the new engine its all in the pedal. I don't care for the 7000 rpm rev limit too much, but I do like the new SI'S ENGINE AND HANDLING. dON'T KNOCK IT UNTIL YOU DRIVE IT.

Originally posted by turboteg91
rebuild and forced induction of some kind. what is wrong with you people???



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What the hell are you talking about. Hardly anyone in Japan goes force induction with their Honda's......why because they were'nt built for it. It's all about high compression, high reving, all motor B16B's and B18C's. IF you wanted boost why the hell did you buy a Honda?

Originally posted by pric
Does anyone know why the base RSX has 141 ft/lbs @ 4000 rpm and the civic si has 132 ft/lbs @ 5000 rpm if they are the same motor?

same series motor...but not the exact same

civic si is k20a3
while the rsx type-s is a k20a2

think of it as the difference between a b18c1 and a b18c5.....

...its the tuning

I have the new si also. I don't think it's really that fast. Don't get me wrong it has enough power to go fairly fast, but in order to do that you have to shift around 4500-6500 rpms. Maybe Im just babying it cause the engines still pretty new or Im just not used to driving a stick. First car thats a stick, I drive it well, Im just not too comfortable bringing it up to higher rmps for daily driving. The other thing is that I think it deffinitly needs a tighter suspension. It feels pretty mushy sometimes over bumps. Cornering is much better than my old car, '97 civic sedan, though. Overall its a great car though. It also weighs more than my old car I think by atleast a couple houndred pounds. I'm just pointing out flaws I see with it which too me isn't that big of a deal compared to the positives to it.

Originally posted by TheRebirth


same series motor...but not the exact same

civic si is k20a3
while the rsx type-s is a k20a2

think of it as the difference between a b18c1 and a b18c5.....

...its the tuning

The K20A2 and the K20A3 are very different motors. The K20A2 has the I-Vtec on both intake and exhaust, while the K20A3 is only on the intake. This is how it makes the extra torque

ok here I just bought my 03 Si two weeks ago so it's still stock. And last Sun. I wasted an RSX with I/E by 2 1/2 car lengths so the difference in numbers insn't anything with the two cars the main difference is the person behind the wheel. Besides these Si's are potential sleepers all the way.

ok here I just bought my 03 Si two weeks ago so it's still stock. And last Sun. I wasted an RSX with I/E by 2 1/2 car lengths so the difference in numbers insn't anything with the two cars the main difference is the person behind the wheel. Besides these Si's are potential sleepers all the way.

RSX is not the same thing as RSX type S :banghead: :loser: