Racing Z24 against SI

Just to my curiosity, which would most likly win in a race.

-Stock Z24 or Stock Civic SI?

I mean, when you look at all the specs, Z24 would be expected to win huh?, but from what i'm hearing the SI would probably take it.
Anyway what do you think?

Furthermore, give or take which car you think would win, how do you think you could improve the other automobile in order to come out on top (keeping a buget wise)?

(p.s., i posted this in the HONDA CIVIC forum to see if the responces would be any different due to favortism)

Z24 wins the short race, Civic pulls harder once both are rolling.

Well it really depends, not only on the power of the car. I mean you can lighten your car some with removing like spare tire and low gas in tank. Is the civic or z24 stick or auto. And who you think is the better driver. But really I'm undecided on which would win. Would be a good race to watch though. Let us know who wins.

si would win because it is half or more than the weight of a cavalier with both being standard id half to say from personal experiance the si would win.

i think the Z24 would pull of the line way faster then the SI but once you start goint the SI will catch up and pass.

hopfully i will be racing a cavy Z24 in my 98 ex (soch 1.6L vtec.. no real mods excet SRI that sounds good but does little for preformance) real soon. i expect to get beat but it sould be fun.
ill keep you posted

after 35-40 the SI will pull and pull and pull...

1/4 mile Z will win... top end the si will win, the Z will run mid to high 15's stock and the si runs high 16's stock

1/4 mile Z will win... top end the si will win, the Z will run mid to high 15's stock and the si runs high 16's stocksi's run low 15's

depends if its the vtec or not...if its non vtec its high 16s vtec..low 15s

there is no non-vtec SI.

there is no non-vtec SI.

:owned:

mmm my friend had an si and i smoked him with my Z22. but if your Z24 is automatic, well your behind me also :D

mmm my friend had an si and i smoked him with my Z22. but if your Z24 is automatic, well your behind me also :D
If his SI is badged in the same fashion as your "Z22" it doesn't surprise me you won. You're a stock cavalier that some dealer or private owner sold to a naive person who thought such a thing as a "Z22" existed and wasn't just some dealer rice, and the other guy was driving a non-vtec SI...which, coincidentally, also doesn't exist.

Good job.

Just to my curiosity, which would most likly win in a race.

-Stock Z24 or Stock Civic SI?

I mean, when you look at all the specs, Z24 would be expected to win huh?, but from what i'm hearing the SI would probably take it.
Anyway what do you think?

Furthermore, give or take which car you think would win, how do you think you could improve the other automobile in order to come out on top (keeping a buget wise)?

(p.s., i posted this in the HONDA CIVIC forum to see if the responces would be any different due to favortism)

You gotta be a little more specific than that. Which model year are you reffering to? I know the Civic SI with the 160-HP motor only comes in manual, but is the cavy a manual or auto (if this was already mentioned, sorry for being redundant)? In the end, we can sit here and talk about who would win and why until we are blue in the face. Since these cars are similair in power, the best way to find out would be to line 'em up and have a go. If we are comparing a 2005 Mustang GT against a 2005 Honda Civic SI, then it would be a no brainer. In this case it is a different story. Also, let's say both these cars are manual, then driver experience will really be taken into consideration.

If his SI is badged in the same fashion as your "Z22" it doesn't surprise me you won. You're a stock cavalier that some dealer or private owner sold to a naive person who thought such a thing as a "Z22" existed and wasn't just some dealer rice, and the other guy was driving a non-vtec SI...which, coincidentally, also doesn't exist.

Good job.

There was such a thing as a Z22. It was nothing special though. Had the same 2.2-liter pushrod cranking out a whopping 115-horses. It also had bigger wheels/tires and more bells and whistles. No performance mods of any kind.

If his SI is badged in the same fashion as your "Z22" it doesn't surprise me you won. You're a stock cavalier that some dealer or private owner sold to a naive person who thought such a thing as a "Z22" existed and wasn't just some dealer rice, and the other guy was driving a non-vtec SI...which, coincidentally, also doesn't exist.

Good job.

I think i know which car I have dude. 96 Z22, same shit as a Cavalier but i had stock 15 inch wheels on it instead of 14 inch. Anyway my friend had an 96 SI, non-vtec, I cant tell you if it really exist and obviously I dont give a crap about Honda. The important thing is that I was in front 3 times in a row and I won 20$ cuz my friend was sure he was gonna pass me :D

actually there is such a thing as a non-vtec SI...my buddys got a 98 SI thats non vtec and thats the reason why hes selling it...and another buddy of mine has a hatchback SI thats non vtec aswell

Your buddies dont have SI's, ALL si's came with vtec.

alright im not going to argue this with you but i know what i saw...and what i saw was a SI civic with a nonvtec engine...no trim was not put on by someone and no the SI symbol wasnt put on the car...its a civic SI that did not come with a vtec engine

the 99-00 SI only came with the b16a2 engine, this is a DOHC VTEC engine. they did not come any other way. it may have (for some odd reason) been swaped out for a non vtec (probably a D series), but that is un heard of.
the only non vtec DOHC engine honda had made in reasent times would ave been the ZC.
anyway i dont want to tire you guys out about honda shit you dont care about but the only SI honda Civic made in resent years DID HAVE A VTEC ENGINE. no if- and's- or buts about it!!!!!!
the 96-98 EX civic also has a SOHC VTEC engine (d16y8)

mmm my friend had an si and i smoked him with my Z22. but if your Z24 is automatic, well your behind me also :D

My Z36 will own your Z22.

thats for sure :D

I just realized, that some people may be considering the SI as something different. In canada, the SI is equivalent to the EX. and the SI in the U.S. is called the SI-R in canada...

anyway, sorry for maybe not clearing up what i initially was asking. But yes, i was talkin about the DOHC VTEC si....

thanks dude...that makes sense...then i was right that i saw an SI non vtec.

EX's have vtec d16's..

Your buddies dont have SI's, ALL si's came with vtec.

No they didn't. It depends on the year. Reserach it on the internet and find out. There were SI's that had the 160-horsepower 1.6-liter and there were also SI's with the 127-horsepower powerplant. I test drove one. It had an SI badge, and it sure didn't have the 160-horsepower motor. It was a 2000.

Keep in mind that I am in Canada, and there may have been different options with different trim levels offered here. I am not a Honda expert by no means, but know enough to tell ya that I have seen and driven SI's that had the 1.6-liter 127-horsepower engine. They also had plastic wheel covers instead of aluminum.

okay put it this way

no matter Canada or US. If it's SI then it's VTEC

Canada: SI = US: EX ---- SOHC VTEC (127 HP)

Canada: SIR = US: SI ---- DOHC VTEC (160 HP)



lol anyway..........this thread is starting to get out of context.

okay put it this way

no matter Canada or US. If it's SI then it's VTEC

Canada: SI = US: EX ---- SOHC VTEC (127 HP)

Canada: SIR = US: SI ---- DOHC VTEC (160 HP)



lol anyway..........this thread is starting to get out of context.

LOL good call! Well at least we finally cleared up that mess!

This is way more interesting then the one posted in our forum lol

I think i know which car I have dude. 96 Z22, same shit as a Cavalier but i had stock 15 inch wheels on it instead of 14 inch. Anyway my friend had an 96 SI, non-vtec, I cant tell you if it really exist and obviously I dont give a crap about Honda. The important thing is that I was in front 3 times in a row and I won 20$ cuz my friend was sure he was gonna pass me :D
It doesn't exist. Period. If anything, your dealer convinced whoever bought the car that the rice package they put on it which consisted of nothing more than probably some different rims was a "performance package" and, in reality, it was just some options he selected and tried to convince people it was worth more b/c of it. You got tooled if you think a Z22 exists.

Don't believe me? Check the 8th digit in your VIN, for 96 if it's not a T, you got a base model and NOT a Z24. I'm guessing yours will have a 4, not a T.

Still don't believe me? Fine, how about this one. Check the 5th digit of your VIN number. Unless it's an "F" you do not have a Z model. My guess is that you'll have a "C" (base model) or an "E" (RS Model). But unless you got an "F," you do NOT have a Z. Period.

It doesn't exist. Period. If anything, your dealer convinced whoever bought the car that the rice package they put on it which consisted of nothing more than probably some different rims was a "performance package" and, in reality, it was just some options he selected and tried to convince people it was worth more b/c of it. You got tooled if you think a Z22 exists.

Don't believe me? Check the 8th digit in your VIN, for 96 if it's not a T, you got a base model and NOT a Z24. I'm guessing yours will have a 4, not a T.

Still don't believe me? Fine, how about this one. Check the 5th digit of your VIN number. Unless it's an "F" you do not have a Z model. My guess is that you'll have a "C" (base model) or an "E" (RS Model). But unless you got an "F," you do NOT have a Z. Period.

There was such a thing as a Z22! Maybe it never made it over to the States, but they were advertised in Canada in the mid 90's.

you know what i think...ive seen these Z22's and i think they are nothing more then someone wanted to feel better by advertising that its the 2.2L and hence "Z22" just like they say "Z24" for the 2.4L...its nothing special...its just trying to make it sound sportier for the younger population...its true they made Z22 from the factory, but its nothing more then a decal, so calm down everyone lol

you know what i think...ive seen these Z22's and i think they are nothing more then someone wanted to feel better by advertising that its the 2.2L and hence "Z22" just like they say "Z24" for the 2.4L...its nothing special...its just trying to make it sound sportier for the younger population...its true they made Z22 from the factory, but its nothing more then a decal, so calm down everyone lol

Exactly! I drove by one on my way to work this morning. Too bad I didn't have my digital camera with me to put an end to this huge mystery that could easily be solved by going to your preffered search engine and typing in "cavalier Z22". LOL
Anyways, let's get back on topic PLEASE!
Was there supposed to be a race between these two cars that this thread is based on? Any results yet?

http://www.j-body.org/members/gcavy/cars/1/


that my friends is a Z22. nothing special. just a sport package. i dont know why, but it still rips any other stock 2.2l on the road.

fuck sakes ppl...the Z22 is a regular base 2.2L from 94-99 that came with the 15 inch rims..nothing more..nothing less..they are not better , faster , lighter , lower suspension....NOTHING!!!...just the rims...cuz from 2000 to 2002 they are just 2200SFI and they come with the 15 rims.....its just a fuckin decal get over it.

fuck sakes ppl...the Z22 is a regular base 2.2L from 94-99 that came with the 15 inch rims..nothing more..nothing less..they are not better , faster , lighter , lower suspension....NOTHING!!!...just the rims...cuz from 2000 to 2002 they are just 2200SFI and they come with the 15 rims.....its just a fuckin decal get over it.


so an RS is basically a z22 with a 5 speed, electric sunroof, and stock cd player??????? i have an RS but am not sure what EXACTLY makes it an RS

http://www.j-body.org/members/gcavy/cars/1/


that my friends is a Z22. nothing special. just a sport package. i dont know why, but it still rips any other stock 2.2l on the road.

maybe it has a little to do with his cold air intake and exhaust..... im sure the 5 speed doesnt hurt either

so an RS is basically a z22 with a 5 speed, electric sunroof, and stock cd player??????? i have an RS but am not sure what EXACTLY makes it an RS


no basically a Z22 is an RS with 5 speed sunroof cd player and rims...and no it has nothing to do with intake or any performance modification..theres no extras...JUST a badge that means nothing

no basically a Z22 is an RS with 5 speed sunroof cd player and rims...and no it has nothing to do with intake or any performance modification..theres no extras...JUST a badge that means nothing

yeah, i know it has nothing to do with performance modifications, i was talking about the intake/exhaust in regards to a different post, (i even replied with the quote)

so what you're saying now is the z22 and RS are identical???? 2.2 5 speed, cd player, sunroof, and 15's???

pretty much...Z22 was from 94-99 only

pretty much...Z22 was from 94-99 only

my RS is a 98 though..... they made 2 of the identical cars and gave them different labels??? im not saying your wrong (cuz i have nothing to back that up) but i just feel there has got to be SOME difference between an RS and a z22, besides the fact that ive never heard of the z22 until today

dude...they made both at the same time...im just saying that Z22 was only from 94-99..and it does not have anything any different from your car...looks like the one in your sig..smells like it..sounds like it..then its prolly the same car...just something some big shot guy sittin at GM thought of to appeal to the younger generation that wanted the Z24 but couldnt afford it

dude...they made both at the same time...im just saying that Z22 was only from 94-99..and it does not have anything any different from your car...looks like the one in your sig..smells like it..sounds like it..then its prolly the same car...just something some big shot guy sittin at GM thought of to appeal to the younger generation that wanted the Z24 but couldnt afford it

alright cool, i get it now, thanks

no prob

http://www.cvautos.com/car_36753.html

His right here is a Z22 cavy

kinda looks exactly like my car if you ask me...and mines got more options

by the way, my Z22 only has 14's and not 15's. and yes, it is a Z22, made in mexico, i have the carfax report sitting in my hand haha. i know theres nothing special about them, its just a sport package. i still love my car. everyone rips me for owning a j-body, but fuckem. doesnt cost me 5000 to fix when somethin goes wrong. and theres so much aftermarket it hurts my head.

how much hp does a stock z24 have?

think its about 150

how much hp does a stock z24 have?

depends on the year,

well like an 01? thought they had more...

Im pretty sure the 01 has 150 hp. 2.4 Liter in it yeah?

01 has 150 and 160 torq

Actually I think that it is 155 lbs of torque

Actually I think that it is 155 lbs of torque

http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/45-int/compact-cars/chevrolet/cavalier/2001/

this particular article says 155 for 2001

I though so because my Alero has the same motor and it is 155