You know what would be cool...

... if lamborghini made a motorcycle! It would be so awesome! It would definalty kick all other motocycles butts.

Ducati is close.

Well in my mind the Dacati is the Lamborghini of the motorcycle world.. and they are awesome.. and they do kick some serious butt :naughty:

IMO there's better bikes than Ducati 998's on the road! Gsxr1000 & R1 just to name a couple! Don't get me wrong, I would love to own a 998!

sportbikes these days handle good as any Lambo cars, if not better. as for power and acceleration, bikes win, hands down.

sorry same goes for Ducati, 4-cylinders has the edge when it comes to power. but Ducati still has its place for producing twins and competing against Japanese sportbikes.

funny thing is, I can use that money I'd save on a house. :D

I agree the ducati is pretty nice... but, if Lamborghini made a motorcycle it would be awesome. People would probably buy it for $30,000 more than a ducati even if they had the exact same engine just because it has the lambo symbol.

I wouldn't spend $30 on a Duc let alone $30,000 more than a Duc just b/c Lambo put a sticker on it. Sorry.



But a TRUE Lambo car could be interesting... unless they screwed it up like Dodge and the Tomahawk. :rolleyes:

The dodge tomahawk isn't even a motorcycle, it is a suicidal ATV.

The MV Agusta F4 Senna is the equivalent to what an exotic sports car would be as a motorcycle (tangie will definetely agree).

Mmmmmmm :drool: MV Agusta!








On another note: HI R1!!!! We've missed you!!!! :D

Sports bikes or even Moto GP bikes cannot outhandle good sports cars in corners. This is a fact. Look at the lap times for F1 cars versus moto GP bikes. Although having similar power per cc ratios and better power to weight, bikes still do laps around 10-20 secs slower than four wheels.

F-1 or street legal F1-inspired chasis exotic cars are a bit different than your typical $200K Ferrari. Comparing those 360/430 Modenas to Moto GP bikes is questionable. Comparing it to street sportbikes, it's a matter of who's more skilled, but the bike would outdrag it nonetheless until Ferrari reaches over 140+ mph.

F1 cars are loaded with traction controlling technology that aren't available for bikes, plus downforce wings and self-stable chasis allows them to handle the g-force better than bikes. But Moto GP bikes are catching up having introduced 990 cc 4-strokes and smoother chasis to handle the power. All of this has no bearing on street vehicles where sportbikes and sportscars come to play, as F-1 cars cost multi-million dollars, and Moto GP bikes range from half a million to over a million. There's more resources invested in R&D for F-1 cars than bikes, just look at Suzuki, they are always playing catch up with bigger manufacturers like Honda, Yamaha has Rossi, and Aprilia seems to be off the grid. And Ducati and Kawasaki just began to get recognition.

I agree with your notion on money spent on technology to corner faster in regards to 4 or 2 wheels on the world stage.

However, my point is that for a given car and bike on roughly the same level, the law of physics gives 4 wheels an advantage in cornering speeds. a motorcycle will have to cut speed much more than cars going into a corner. While driver and rider skill counts somewhat, remember that the working with a bike requires more lean angle which goes up with speed and this cannot be avoided compared to a car with the option to design a chassis that resists roll and stabilses traction from a suspension design that works upright 85% of the time.

i remember reading an article in which they pitted a WRX in the hands of a british rally champ versus an R1 in the hands of a BSB rider.

they had to deal with all sorts of "normal" traffic problems like roundabouts, pedestrians, traffic, high speed runs and anything the writers could think of to throw at them.

basically they came out even except for the WRX wore its tyres out completely while the R1 used approx 50%

the wrx could lap quicker around a roundabout than the R1

I agree with your notion on money spent on technology to corner faster in regards to 4 or 2 wheels on the world stage.

However, my point is that for a given car and bike on roughly the same level, the law of physics gives 4 wheels an advantage in cornering speeds. a motorcycle will have to cut speed much more than cars going into a corner. While driver and rider skill counts somewhat, remember that the working with a bike requires more lean angle which goes up with speed and this cannot be avoided compared to a car with the option to design a chassis that resists roll and stabilses traction from a suspension design that works upright 85% of the time.

I agree, 4 wheels provide much more options than two wheels, but I think the driver of the car driver needs to better than the rider on two wheels. Because sportscars still have higher tendency to understeer or oversteer or mainly spin out with too much throttle, although they are able to carry more speed on the corner. With bikes, go slow and come out fast, it helps maintain the lean, never threatening to break unless the rider goes in too hot, still one could lean it a bit more. Given that I don't have $200K Ferrari, I can say confidently say I am progressing towards being faster on a bike in a curve than my car.

Nice bike btw.

I agree with the comments on skill level. It is all based on rider / driver ability when you are comparing machines of this nature. A 1969 VW Beetle will whoop on a MV Augusta if you put a pro-quality driver behind the wheel and a first-year rookie on the bike.

There are too many factors to consider here to make generalized statements.

Just my $.02

-Bill

I agree, 4 wheels provide much more options than two wheels, but I think the driver of the car driver needs to better than the rider on two wheels. Because sportscars still have higher tendency to understeer or oversteer or mainly spin out with too much throttle, although they are able to carry more speed on the corner. With bikes, go slow and come out fast, it helps maintain the lean, never threatening to break unless the rider goes in too hot, still one could lean it a bit more. Given that I don't have $200K Ferrari, I can say confidently say I am progressing towards being faster on a bike in a curve than my car.

Nice bike btw.

You are right my friend about the understeer and oversteer tendency. I am actually the opposite when it comes to driving compared to driving. I am more confident cornering fast as heck in my Honda Civic Type R EK9 than on my RVF400R through the same corners. The only thing holding me back on the streets is the unsure road surface conditions which I know that if I give it full whack I would slide.

Thanks for your comments. Are there any RVF of VFR400 in the U.S.?

That's a very good car, I wouldn't be surprise if you can push it further than your bike. But have you tried your skill with current 600 ccs or lighter bikes? I'm not sure how much your RVF weighs. I have a stock '00 Beetle, may not be much on power, but she's light and handles really well, got me out of many tight situations. Anyway, I can corner pretty well with it than my bike at the moment, but only because I had more time driving than riding. Plus there's the confidence level where if I go in too hot in my car, it could mean only a few moment's loss of grip on two tires before the other two compensates and car regains its traction. If I go in too hot with a bike cornering in the street while not having the skill to back it up, it could mean a trip to the Emergency Room.

I never seen your bike in the US, but that doesn't mean few people might not have it. But it's uncommon. Is that a V-4?

come on Z.
the tightest situation your beetles ever been in is trying to get away from a flower sales girl trying to get you to replace your gerbra in the dashbaord vase

come on Z.
the tightest situation your beetles ever been in is trying to get away from a flower sales girl trying to get you to replace your gerbra in the dashbaord vase

How'd you know? :eek7:

I replaced it with plastic yellow tulip. :iceslolan But it led me to smell their flowers.

is that the tuna tulip? :licka:

BAM, Flower power!

http://re2.mm-c.yimg.com/image/264961422

i wonder if people can tell that we're bored and just posting to boost our post numbers

That's a very good car, I wouldn't be surprise if you can push it further than your bike. But have you tried your skill with current 600 ccs or lighter bikes? I'm not sure how much your RVF weighs. I have a stock '00 Beetle, may not be much on power, but she's light and handles really well, got me out of many tight situations. Anyway, I can corner pretty well with it than my bike at the moment, but only because I had more time driving than riding. Plus there's the confidence level where if I go in too hot in my car, it could mean only a few moment's loss of grip on two tires before the other two compensates and car regains its traction. If I go in too hot with a bike cornering in the street while not having the skill to back it up, it could mean a trip to the Emergency Room.

I never seen your bike in the US, but that doesn't mean few people might not have it. But it's uncommon. Is that a V-4?

The Type R EK9 is a fantastic road car and on the track it simply shines. I have left it stock except for a few Spoon Sports air intake and brake caliper upgrades. Mine also has no airbags and ABS so its a 'true' Type R in a sense. And in Singapore, there are only 5 real EK9 imported from Japan. The rest of the 3drs are SiR or VTi.

i have tried my RVF400R on a Malaysian track which is similar to Autumn Ring Mini in length and design (although not the same) it' not a high speed track and I am proud to say that I can keep up with the newer 600cc bikes and trounce the 750cc and litre bikes due to their nervousness if they turned on the power.

My RVF (NC35) is a JDM only bike a 399cc V4 engine with 65bhp (with HRC parts) and weighs 165kg dry and 177kg wet. It is a limited production race replica of its famous big brother the RVF750R of 1994-1999 WSB fame. Strangely, the RVF400R handled better than the 750. The predecessor was equally famous, the VFR400R (NC30). RVF features were USD adjustable forks, Twin floating Nissin four-pot front calipers, single sided Honda ELF Pro Arm, solid and that gear cam driven V4 wail at 15000rpm.

The V4 Hondas have a big following in Singapore and UK where it was raced on the infamous Isle on Man TT.

Your bikes are cool too dude!!

Cheers!

from my point of view... ill never be albe to buy a ferrari, lamborghini, porshe or anything exotic like that.. and prolly will never have a ducati either.. ill just stick to the plane jane yamaha's suzuki's and honda's.. they are good enough for me :)

Don't forget Kaw!!! ;)

Don't forget Kaw!!! ;)

see no one thinks of it for some reason, wasn't you who used to call it Puke Green? :D

My RVF (NC35) is a JDM only bike a 399cc V4 engine with 65bhp (with HRC parts) and weighs 165kg dry and 177kg wet. It is a limited production race replica of its famous big brother the RVF750R of 1994-1999 WSB fame. Strangely, the RVF400R handled better than the 750. The predecessor was equally famous, the VFR400R (NC30). RVF features were USD adjustable forks, Twin floating Nissin four-pot front calipers, single sided Honda ELF Pro Arm, solid and that gear cam driven V4 wail at 15000rpm.

The V4 Hondas have a big following in Singapore and UK where it was raced on the infamous Isle on Man TT.

Your bikes are cool too dude!!

Cheers!

I sold the FZR while ago. My SV weighs about the same and puts out same figure on the rear wheel, but it's a v-twin and your bike would be faster in the track sense. Suspensions are obviously track package. I found it odd why they'd use single sided swingarm, but I guess now it makes sense, it doesn't have to deal with big bike power and saves weight; also it was strange that the exhaust was on the left, but it leaves a clean look on the right side, like undertail exhaust. What sort of 1/4 mile do you get? Is the roll on power good all the way through, from midrange to above 11K?

I wonder why we never get V-4 bikes except current VFR800 and few others from the 80s, could be because they weigh more and let out less power than I-4, like v-twins.

see no one thinks of it for some reason, wasn't you who used to call it Puke Green? :D
The COLOR green they use is Puke Green... I don't want the green one... I want the raw titanium one with the double bubble windscreen. DUH!

I sold the FZR while ago. My SV weighs about the same and puts out same figure on the rear wheel, but it's a v-twin and your bike would be faster in the track sense. Suspensions are obviously track package. I found it odd why they'd use single sided swingarm, but I guess now it makes sense, it doesn't have to deal with big bike power and saves weight; also it was strange that the exhaust was on the left, but it leaves a clean look on the right side, like undertail exhaust. What sort of 1/4 mile do you get? Is the roll on power good all the way through, from midrange to above 11K?

I wonder why we never get V-4 bikes except current VFR800 and few others from the 80s, could be because they weigh more and let out less power than I-4, like v-twins.

Yes, in fact other than BMW bikes, the VFR and RVF are the only bikes in the world to have the exhaust on the left. The single sided swingarm was for quick wheel changes. It could handle large power but not more than 150bhp as proved by the RVF750 racer in 1999 when they switched back to double sided.

1/4 mile for mine is 11.8 with more power and the NC30 shorter ratio gearbox and rear sprocket. The engine pulls effortlessly from 3000 to 15000rpm with a VTEC like surge at 10000 onwards, so roll on power is very good for a 400cc engine.

Some details you can see at

http://members.aol.com/sbirring/rvf400.htm

The SV is pretty decent but why don't you consider the new GSX-R750?

Its the same weight as the 600 but lighter than my bike

Some spy news from Japan.

Ducati is considering making a Moto Gp replica road bike of its Desmocidici. It will be V4 995cc and over 200PS.

Honda might also make a road version RC211V with Moto GP specs and 200+PS..

going back to the you know what would be cool topic.

you know what would be cool.

if they paid teachers more so tange could buy a decent bike and quit whining about Bill's viffer or a titanium Kawa! :smooch:

going back to the you know what would be cool topic.

you know what would be cool.

if they paid teachers more so tange could buy a decent bike and quit whining about Bill's viffer or a titanium Kawa! :smooch:

I agree, but then you gotta live in at least Democratic state for that.

Some spy news from Japan.

Ducati is considering making a Moto Gp replica road bike of its Desmocidici. It will be V4 995cc and over 200PS.

Honda might also make a road version RC211V with Moto GP specs and 200+PS..

Rumors are rumors, I wouldn't count on it until they're revealed. Although I've heard quite a few mags raving about Ducati's approach on V-4, it should make a lot more power though.

And then there was one where Suzuki engineering geek department was making a sport tourer machine with laid back position, which resemble Akira's motorbike.

I doubt they'll make any RC211V road-spec, they already have 600RR and 1000RR as a replica derivative, using techs like GP swing arm and Unit Pro-link suspension, not much more than that. Although one mag stated that they were in development of making a V-5 engine for road use, if, but not sure what kinda bike to plant it on, it could be another Viffer.

Problem with all these powerful bikes are traction, with so much power, it gets less and less, so I heard that Virgin Yamaha used the M1's engineering putting Big Bang regearing on the I-4s. So more mags are speculating that if a race version of R1 can implement Big Bang gearings, then it is possible to have Yamaha release a street version for the consumer.

With bikes getting faster and faster every year, I think we'll need amateur racing license soon to buy these big bikes, like they had to with R7.

I agree, but then you gotta live in at least Democratic state for that.

Kerry won in PA, I'll have you know. ;) Besides, you should hear the radio ads they are playing in Ohio sponsored by the AFT!!! :eek: Even I was shocked at how directly they attacked No Child Left Behind!!!





















Besides, it's not that I do not make enough... it's that I have NO JOB to make ANYTHING.

No child left behind is a joke.

Who's the governor of PA, which party? :D
I'm guessing democrat though.

No child left behind is a joke.

Who's the governor of PA, which party? :D
I'm guessing democrat though.
Edward G. Rendell is a Dem... too bad he only helps out Philly...

Here's a newbie question.............whats ps?

if they paid teachers more so tange could buy a decent bike and quit whining about Bill's viffer or a titanium Kawa! :smooch:

C'mon now... You know as well as I do that the whining will NEVER stop. She is a whiner, it is just who she is. If she gets the 6R then she'll whine about her Nissan. If she gets the bike and the Subaru she wants then she'll whine about something else.


Women... :rolleyes:

mv agusta is a bad ass bike, I would take it over a duck any day of the week, ducks are nice but no where near the agusta. Those italians know how to do it. now if they can teach americans how to make a nice crotch rocket!

mv agusta is a bad ass bike, I would take it over a duck any day of the week, ducks are nice but no where near the agusta. Those italians know how to do it. now if they can teach americans how to make a nice crotch rocket!

Harley did TRY to make a real bike... but Buell is woefully behind in looks, agility, and oh, being a real bike. ;)

I liked buels... before I knew what a real bike was. But I guess there is a market for them. just not with sport bike fans

This is a little late but Lamborghini did make a motorcycle for a short period of time in 1986 that used a kawasaki engine...

http://www.lambocars.com/pro/motor.htm

Interesting tidbit...

A few years back during an F1 race they made mention that the GP pole time was within 1 second of the time Barrichello set as the fastest lap of the weekend with his Ferrari F1 car on a track both series shared. I cant for the life of me remember what track it was though. Unfortunately it looks like both F1 cars and MotoGP bikes are about to become slower due to rulebook changes.

I still believe that if you can find a rider with the ability to push the bike to its true limit, a modern stock literbike with rearsets and a set of slicks will run with any supercar you can muster on an "average" road course. The trick is finding that rider. Its just far too hard to find a bikes limit in comparison with a car. My dream shootout would be to see Rossi on an R1 as described above, and Schumi in an Enzo around something like Barber Motorsports park. THAT is bike versus car in its truest form.

Interesting tidbit...

A few years back during an F1 race they made mention that the GP pole time was within 1 second of the time Barrichello set as the fastest lap of the weekend with his Ferrari F1 car on a track both series shared. I cant for the life of me remember what track it was though. Unfortunately it looks like both F1 cars and MotoGP bikes are about to become slower due to rulebook changes.

I still believe that if you can find a rider with the ability to push the bike to its true limit, a modern stock literbike with rearsets and a set of slicks will run with any supercar you can muster on an "average" road course. The trick is finding that rider. Its just far too hard to find a bikes limit in comparison with a car. My dream shootout would be to see Rossi on an R1 as described above, and Schumi in an Enzo around something like Barber Motorsports park. THAT is bike versus car in its truest form.

Word on that. Lets not forget that bikes have a much smaller turning area vs. a cars. Even though cars can withstand a much higher lateral g rating, it doesn't even come near the moment of intertia that a bike has. But as you all said it, it really all depends on who is driving it.

If any of you have seen the Top Gear video of the porsche beating the R1 on the track....what a load of bull. The guy on the R1 (IMO) was more scared of being run over by the porsche than anything else. He wasn't even taking the apex's of the corners. Then again, Clarkson is as biased as you can get (kinda like Bill O'Reily if you know what I mean).

I've had a few friends in their cars try and stay with me on my bike in a nice road with many curves in it (most notably, a friends MR2 Turbo). Well how that went... I went through the twisties, and I circled around a few times in a 4 way before I even began to see his headlights..... I burnted him badly. Anyways, like everyone has said, it all depends on the driver and not only their capabilities, but their willingness.