Stupid seatbelts

Gadamnit I fucking hate Iowa, just as they change the seatbelt fines to 50 dollars I have to gadamn get one, it's stupid ass bullshit. It should be OUR GADAMN CHOICE whether we where a seatbelt or not. It's bullshit, I didn't wear it after I got the ticket, and I obviously wasn't wearing it before, and guess what asshole cops, I'm not going to ever wear it! For the record though this cop wasn't a total asshole, maybe this should be in stress release but I just thought I'd let ya know Iowa has seatbelt tickets totalling $49.50. That's two cases of beer down the drain, oh well. I've been in a couple accidents before in which I never was wearing a seat belt, both at 40 mph or faster, and although I did get thrown around quite a bit nothing really happend, it's like motorcycles and gadamn helmets, fuck wearing one of those, I'm not going to have my neck cramp up on me when I'm riding out to Sturgis so screw off fucked up government. If I don't wear a seatbelt, then IT'S MY OWN GADAMN FAULT if I get hurt. Good thing I'll be working a few extra hours now though, gadamn government takes enough of our money, but that's better off left alone otherwise I'd have an hours worth of complaining to do.

I can understand your frustration...I've gotten one of those...however it was my punishment for doing 107 in a 55, so I was ok with paying it :biggrin:
But yeah, it is one of those topics...I don't wear one in backseats etc...but whenever I'm driving my car, you better believe I'll have it on. Not trying to lecture you, obviously it's your decision...and I'm sure many can relate. My only suggestion would be to find a place with cheaper beer...because I don't know what you are drinking, but I get plenty good cases for a hell of alot cheaper than $25 a piece :cheers:

Ok, two cases and plenty of Doritoz. :grinyes:

There are times when I feel I should have my seat belt on but generally I trust my driving and I'm always aware of what's around me but if I feel like I need one I'll put it on. But a stupid ticket should not be that steep of a fine imo. I mean I know $50 isn't that much, I earn well over that in one day of work and with school getting out next week whoopee but I dunno, I could buy 3 music cds, a ps2 game, 25 gallons of gas which would get me around 300 miles, or plenty of other things I could use more.

Just curious as to why you don't like to wear a seatbelt? Comfort? I just think that such a small hassle is no problem, espcially if they save so many lives.

First, I ALWAYS wear a seatbelt and have for the last 40 years of driving. I can't afford the time with being hurt and away from my job any longer than necessary.

The government intervenes in things like this with laws to protect not only you but me. Certainly, it seems to be your right not to wear a seatbelt but what happens when you get hurt? A lot of people you don't know will end up paying for your rehabilitation and care if you are seriously injured or disabled. It would be better for all of us if people who didn't want to wear seatbelts would be able to sign a waiver to be "self insured" so that you would bear the financial brunt of your injuries( and therefore would only fix you as much as you could afford). This way the rest of we taxpayers wouldn't have to be concerned about your seatbelt habits.

Just curious as to why you don't like to wear a seatbelt? Comfort? I just think that such a small hassle is no problem, espcially if they save so many lives.

Yes, comfort reasons is a big one, I've raised the seat in my truck 3 inches and the height of the seatbelt isn't adjustable so it's really a PITA on my shoulder and such. There are some vehicles where wearing a seatbelt doesn't even bother me, like our Silhouette, I have no problem wearing seatbelts in that and if I'm asked to I will, it's just a habit not to wear it from driving my truck all the time. Now if I had a bucket seat with a 4 point harness I'd wear that because the straps seem to not be in any uncomfortable spots on that.

CraigFL, I'm only 17, little more than a month from 18, so maybe in ten years I'll realize it's worth the extra two seconds, who knows. And for that waiver, I'll sign it, I absolutely hate doctors and hospitals. :lol2:

(half kidding about that last sentence)

if you feel that way, then i hope you get in a really bad accident.

that will teach for to wear a seatbelt.

i dont hope he gets in a bad car accident and thats pretty low for you to say but hey im only 15 so what do i know......

if you feel that way, then i hope you get in a really bad accident.

that will teach for to wear a seatbelt.


Well ok, thanks alot, asshole. J/k, haha if that's the way you feel then ok, I can see your position on that, but as I said, I have been in a couple of bad accidents, nothing really bad as you hope though. I went from 45 mph to 0, in literally two feet, I'm not shitting you. It was in a 2wd 1993 Ford Ranger. I went off of a corner on a gravel road close to my house, off a culvert and into a creek bed, the creek was the size of my truck damn near so when the front of my truck hit the bank it stopped, instantly from anywhere from 35-50 mph, that's just a general accusation though because I was slowing down for the corner, in 3rd gear of the truck when I blacked out. I hit my head on the windshield because I wasn't wearing a seatbelt but nothing happened. So what do you prefer happens, head on with a semi truck? broad sided at 80 mph?? You name it, I've seen kids walk, away from the worst of accidents, and some kids end up in the hospital from damn near nothing. Seat belts don't always save lives, they're just supposed to. If you want proof of kids walking away from some pretty bad car accidents I can give it to you, because a handful of my friends have been pretty deep in shit before. One year ago two of my friend were driving in a Taurus when some stupid bitch pulled out, well not in front of them but the corners of the cars met each other, no seatbelts in either car, and nobody was hauled to the hospital, my friend was goin 65, and the other girl was goin prolly 30 when she hit him, granted the airbags went off in the Taurus.

if you feel that way, then i hope you get in a really bad accident.

that will teach for to wear a seatbelt.


Wow, way to be a prick. How about you reread the AF userguidelines and learn to post with some respect or simply refrain from posting.

I trust my driving and I'm always aware of what's around me... I'm only 17, little more than a month from 18... I have been in a couple of bad accidents
Two bad accidents in less than two years? Sounds like misplaced trust I'd say.

I hit my head on the windshield because I wasn't wearing a seatbelt but nothing happened. So because you got lucky twice this means you'll forever be lucky? Following your logic I'd say something happened when you hit your head!

CraigFL is correct that society as a whole has to pay for injuries. The more insurance company's have to pay out the more they charge us. I also heard that states can lose federal money if they don't have seat belt and helmet laws. We shouldn't have to pay (or lose money) just because people who don't care get hurt or killed.

Two bad accidents in less than two years? Sounds like misplaced trust I'd say.
So because you got lucky twice this means you'll forever be lucky? Following your logic I'd say something happened when you hit your head!

CraigFL is correct that society as a whole has to pay for injuries. The more insurance company's have to pay out the more they charge us. I also heard that states can lose federal money if they don't have seat belt and helmet laws. We shouldn't have to pay (or lose money) just because people who don't care get hurt or killed.


Well the first "accident" where I went off the road was because I was severly fatigued and just blanked/passed out, it was after a track meet that was two hours, and it was co-ed so not only was I awake for a long time I had also been running very hard, but that's not really an excuse but still. The other one was purely my fault, got caught up in something and took a down hill turn at 60+ mph on a gravel road. Once I got back and looked at the sign hidden by bushes it said 15 mph. yeah a little bit too fast but I'd never been on the road before. Both of these were easily less than 500 dollars damage, I myself just got thrown around a little bit. At the times that those happened though I'll agree, my head wasn't where it should have been really, that was when i was 15/16 though, so bein a teenager I should have a little slack right? and I didn't hurt anybody else so I'm greatful for that. Also, luck is something far from what I ever get, so don't assume that I got lucky. I'll agree with you on the last paragraph of yours fully though. If I ever got in an accident and killed someone, and it was fully myself I literally could not live with myself and I dont know what I'd do for that person's family. When I had to go to classes for drunk driving they showed us a video where some high school kid was drunk and killed another girl in an accident, and after that all the parents asked of him was to write out a one dollar check to her name, every week, for 30 years, and it showed him later in life that it was getting very hard for him to write those out, I dont know if I could do that. And believe me, it's not because I don't care, you dont know me so dont' accuse me of that.

age is not an excuse for being stupid.

age is not an excuse for being stupid.


Thanks for the tip! :loser:

I expect to see three year olds clean up their own messes now then.


as the old quote goes....


To be old and wise you must first be young and stupid.

So eat my ***.

three year olds not being able to clean their own shit isn't a case of being stupid.
it's them a) not being able to and b) not knowing how to.

not being able to and not knowing how to, isn't stupid.

on the other hand,
i) knowing that wearing a seatbelt can prevent injuries
ii) knowing that not wearing a seatbelt is an offence
yet you still choose not to wear a seatbelt and when you get caught, you complain about it?

hey guys, let's play a game of spot the stupid one.

three year olds not being able to clean their own shit isn't a case of being stupid.
it's them a) not being able to and b) not knowing how to.

not being able to and not knowing how to, isn't stupid.

on the other hand,
i) knowing that wearing a seatbelt can prevent injuries
ii) knowing that not wearing a seatbelt is an offence
yet you still choose not to wear a seatbelt and when you get caught, you complain about it?

hey guys, let's play a game of spot the stupid one.

While we're at it lets play who can spot the dumbass that can't sense sarcasm...

I am, by far, not the only one complaining either, mr. law abiding citizen.

I say we make seatbelts optional. It'll sure thin out the gene pool a lot quicker.


But seriously? Why don't you wear a seatbelt? You're one of those people that is a rebel without a cause, aren't you...

sarcasm?
i) sarcasm is in part based on tone, something that isn't detectable in the written word.
ii) i didn't actually see anything that resembled sarcasm. can you point out the sarcastic bit? i'd like to know what you consider to be sarcastic. really, i do.

yes, many people complain about seltbelts but how many of them are here starting and defending their thread/post about it?
by starting a thread, you open yourself up to attack through the words that you use and the way you present things. that is a given seeing as this is an open forum. complaining when someone does 'attack', that is, wait for it.... stupid.
what has whether or not i am a law abiding citizen got to do with anything? am i the one complaining about getting caught doing something stupid?

I don't think that being a law abiding citizen really has anything to do with wishing to save one's life. I also can't see how you still don't wear a seatbelt even after being in two accidents...just seems that for something so simple to be so lifesaving, that it shouldn't need a second thought. Just my 2cents...

Mustanman thanks for your post, but nothing will change my opinion, it's just that. And drunken_monkey, the sarcasm was me using the smiley with the user thing, but i'm not going to post anymore defending my opinion, it's obviously not getting across, so why don't the both of us just stop. You can defend your's as much as you like but in the end, your breaking guidelines by taking a personal stab at me, like it matters much, but just stop it. Like you said, it's the internet, and if your going to get on here just to make comebacks because you have nothing else to do, then well I can't stop that, but my time wasted is stopping here. So we'll just agree, I'm not making the best opinion in not wearing a seatbelt, it's not a stupid one, as much as you'd like to think, because like I said, I sometimes wear it yes, but not generally around here.

Well the first "accident" where I went off the road was because I was severly fatigued and just blanked/passed out, it was after a track meet that was two hours, and it was co-ed so not only was I awake for a long time I had also been running very hard, but that's not really an excuse but still. The other one was purely my fault, got caught up in something and took a down hill turn at 60+ mph on a gravel road. Once I got back and looked at the sign hidden by bushes it said 15 mph. yeah a little bit too fast but I'd never been on the road before. Both of these were easily less than 500 dollars damage, I myself just got thrown around a little bit. At the times that those happened though I'll agree, my head wasn't where it should have been really, that was when i was 15/16 though, so bein a teenager I should have a little slack right? and I didn't hurt anybody else so I'm greatful for that. Also, luck is something far from what I ever get, so don't assume that I got lucky. I'll agree with you on the last paragraph of yours fully though. If I ever got in an accident and killed someone, and it was fully myself I literally could not live with myself and I dont know what I'd do for that person's family. When I had to go to classes for drunk driving they showed us a video where some high school kid was drunk and killed another girl in an accident, and after that all the parents asked of him was to write out a one dollar check to her name, every week, for 30 years, and it showed him later in life that it was getting very hard for him to write those out, I dont know if I could do that. And believe me, it's not because I don't care, you dont know me so dont' accuse me of that.
V-10 your response in this post sounds like your growing up. Everyone did some stupid $hit when they were young. There are worse things than not wearing your seatbelt (like driving drunk) but if you just start wearing it then you'll get used to it. I'm so used to always using mine that I laugh when I automatically put it on even when I'm just moving the car out of the garage to the driveway.

V-10 your response in this post sounds like your growing up. Everyone did some stupid $hit when they were young. There are worse things than not wearing your seatbelt (like driving drunk) but if you just start wearing it then you'll get used to it. I'm so used to always using mine that I laugh when I automatically put it on even when I'm just moving the car out of the garage to the driveway.


Well christ you guys jumped on my ass, in one of my first posts I said how it's just highly uncomfortable in my truck, yet in other vehicles I have no problem with it. I don't think I'll get use to the fact that it cuts the shit out of my neck and rubs violently on my shoulder when I do wear it. Not to mention the seating position in which I drive just sucks to wear a seatbelt. I have the crappy ass bench seat in my truck and being fairly tall, the arm rest in it isn't as high as I'd like it to be, and no, I dont drive with both hands on the wheel, either my right arm is on the arm rest, or my left arm is out the window. Don't start me on the driving drunk thing, I've tried to do it less and less, no matter how much I've had, but when I'm drunk, I know it and I try to drive careful, but maybe it's just the drunkness that says that.

ec437...I am a Rebel...sorry that's our school's mascot, I just had too. And you are right though, and I can prove it, because for some reason when things are illegal it just makes them funner to do, and I don't know why.

Whenever I drive my g'mas Aurora it's weird, but I almost always put my seatbelt on there come to think of it, driving my dad's truck I've put it on at times, and usually when my mom asks I'll put it on if I'm driving her van but I dunno...I'm too much like my grandfather, and my dad's even told me that. The 77 Caprice that I first drove was his old car before he died, and he completely cut the seatbelts out of there, and I guess starting out driving not wearing seatbelts kind of started a habit there.

Frankly you're all entitled to your opinion, and if you want to consider me as "stupid" then thanks, it's nice to see you can make a false accusation, I'd rather call it being stubborn. But to each his own. drunken_monkey sorry if the sarcasm didn't show, or if I sounded like I was acting offensively, because I was, you can't just call someone stupid on here and not expect something.

stupid is about having sense or not.
it is the general concensus that not wearing a sealtbelt is a stupid thing to do, hence your actions, despite having been in more than one accident, is stupid.
saying someone/something is stupid isn't offensive when it's a statement of fact.
it's not a personal attack, it is stating an observation.
calling someone "dumbass", however, is offensive.

anyway.
this is a kid who's just admiteded to continual DUI.
kinda says it all.
not wearing a seatbelt,
failing to see that a particular road/turn/juntion is recommended to be driven at 15mph,
(do i need a sign to tell me a particular bend should be taken slowly?)
drunk driving.

shall we play that game again?

stupid is about having sense or not.
it is the general concensus that not wearing a sealtbelt is a stupid thing to do, hence your actions, despite having been in more than one accident, is stupid.
saying someone/something is stupid isn't offensive when it's a statement of fact.
it's not a personal attack, it is stating an observation.
calling someone "dumbass", however, is offensive.

anyway.
this is a kid who's just admiteded to continual DUI.
kinda says it all.
not wearing a seatbelt,
failing to see that a particular road/turn/juntion is recommended to be driven at 15mph,
(do i need a sign to tell me a particular bend should be taken slowly?)
drunk driving.

shall we play that game again?

You sir, are a dumbass, one that doesn't realize when he should shut the fuck up. If I am truly "stupid" as you say, for driving after drinking four beers, and blowing a .03, when the limit for underage is .02, then fuck, I guess I'm going to hell!! And yes, on country roads, that I've never driven on before, at NIGHT, when there are lazy county workers, yes I guess I am suppose to see clearly the fucking sign that is behind a tree branch, covered out of sight, not completely, but not for somebody who is driving, once again, fuck you. You need to grow up far more than I do if all you can do is keep coming back here to try and get your point across, go to hell, maybe they'll have better things for you to do there. So ok, lets start the game over. Wow, I've just thought about how many "stupid" people are in the United States, and because of some of your actions, I'm willing to bet your one of them, but you'll deny that I'm sure. :rolleyes:

my actions?
all i have done is point out the things you have said.

15 mph is very slow.
i can't ever say that i have ever come across a road situtation taht requires 15 mph.
i can only image that the turn in question is either tight, hidden, or it tightens.
that was what i was alluding to.
point is, you failed to judge the road condition, speed sign or not.

Guys...whether you think it is a poor decision or not, doesn't matter. He is an American, and as an American he has the right to make the choice to break the law. Whether you agree with his decision or not, doesn't make it right for you to attack him personally.

If you are unfamiliar with the AF user guidelines, I suggest you all go and read them now, because you can all consider this your warning. I will not tolerate name-calling or personal attacks.

I cannot say I agree with viper's choice, but whatever, nobody here is perfect, so why doesn't everyone chill out. I think everyone has made thier points, so let's move on.

Well the first "accident" where I went off the road was because I was severly fatigued and just blanked/passed out, it was after a track meet that was two hours, and it was co-ed so not only was I awake for a long time I had also been running very hard, but that's not really an excuse but still. The other one was purely my fault, got caught up in something and took a down hill turn at 60+ mph on a gravel road. Once I got back and looked at the sign hidden by bushes it said 15 mph. yeah a little bit too fast but I'd never been on the road before. Both of these were easily less than 500 dollars damage, I myself just got thrown around a little bit.


I'm just gonna quote myself on this drunken_monkey. I'm not sure if you read my post that contained this. The second one I'll agree with you on, yes it is my fault, and yes I did misjudge the road. It was at night and like I said, I was caught up in a little dispute at the time, not paying full attention, didn't see the road sign, now at night these signs are suppose to reflect to catch people's attention. Now with it being half hidden, and me being caught up in something led me to not see it. They are called accidents for a reason though, because this was purely that. And yes, I'll take a picture for you if you want but it is a 15 mph. turn, a very, very tight turn in which taking at 20 mph either way is on the point of sliding around. And it goes downhill which only worsens it, just wanted to clear that out, and like I've said numerous times in previous posts, I take full blame for those.

if you feel that way, then i hope you get in a really bad accident.

that will teach for to wear a seatbelt.


Seatbelt dont mean your safe. One of my friends was riding with her mom about 2 weeks ago and they got into a wreck. Her mom who was wearing a seatbelt was killed, my friend who wasnt wearing a seatbelt though was thrown from the car did live.

So dont think wearing a seatbelt will save your life. Merely depends on the accident.

Seatbelt dont mean your safe. One of my friends was riding with her mom about 2 weeks ago and they got into a wreck. Her mom who was wearing a seatbelt was killed, my friend who wasnt wearing a seatbelt though was thrown from the car did live.

So dont think wearing a seatbelt will save your life. Merely depends on the accident.

True, but statistics prove that seat belts do put the odds in your favor. Still there are always occasional exceptions like you pointed out. I'll keep mine on and take my chances.

In Australia, it's illegal to be in a moving vehicle and not have a seatbelt on. Exceptions include public buses, and trains. You get caught not wearing a seatbelt, the driver is fined heavily (over $1000, so be happy with your pathetic 50 dollar fine), and lose 2 demerit points (out of 12 for a full licence).

we dont live in austrailia buddy but if you want to get international; in del helder netherlands or most of europe for that matter, traffic violations are based on your income not a set price. Make more dough, pay more. If your a broke weirdo with pirate pics on your signature, you pay less.... everyone happy.. got it "matey"

In Australia, it's illegal to be in a moving vehicle and not have a seatbelt on. Exceptions include public buses, and trains. You get caught not wearing a seatbelt, the driver is fined heavily (over $1000, so be happy with your pathetic 50 dollar fine), and lose 2 demerit points (out of 12 for a full licence).



Holy Shit :eek: That's a lot of money, but I guess that'll make people wear their seatbelts.

Were battling the same issue hear in massachusetts. It is a secondary law which means they can't pull you over just for not wearing your seatbelt. But if your pulled over for something and not wearing your seatbelt you will be ticketed. Sometimes they have a traffic cop checking cars for drivers not wearing their seatbelts. But they want to make it a primary law now. Which means they can pull you over for not wearing your seatbelt.

Everyone has thier own opinion. But I think it's stupid. I mean it's your life not their's. You should be able to do what you want in your own car. Except break the law in certain circumstances. 10 miles up the road from me is New Hampshire where I always go. The law is different. 18 and under must be wearing seatbelts. Over 18 anyone doesn't have to.