AWD in my b20 lude.

Hi, I came here to find out info about the AWD CIVIC, so that I can mate its drivetrain to my 89 Prelude. I've learned in about 5 minutes that the system can't handle my Prelude's stock Hp, let alone the mods I have planned. All I hear is that the REAR diff can't handle the power. Would an s2k or maybe a dsm rear end hook up? I also love the idea of having 6 gears although I think the gearing might be too tight for the highr horsepower b20. Thanks for all the help Im sure to get. What is the model designation for the awd cars(ex,lx,dx,etc.), so I know what to shop for.
I found out about the AWD Civic here: http://www.4thgenerationcivic.com/index.html

...the s2k has a more powerful engine than the B20 so it should hold; a lot of custom fabbing is going to be needed. The transmission from a S2k also wont work in a AWD setup unless you figure how to hook up a transfer case from a truck or something; then youll also need to find a front differential/axle assembly thatll fit the car and wont interfere with the position of the motor(trucks can get away with that setup because the engine is placed up higher; sometimes sitting almost right next to the front diff). Also, im not sure how the center diff is setup in the DSMs but, youd have to change the final drive of the rear end to match that of the front.

Now i never heard of the AWD lude, but if the problem is just it cant handle the power and heat, then you can just try to get the parts treated or replaced with custom units.

are you talkin in regards to the 4WS are wht those canadians did and put a CRV drivetrain on a CRX

there is no awd prelude...only aws; all wheel steering.

Well you drive a 89 lude, IMO you should just get rid of it.

Well you drive a 89 teg, IMO you should just get rid of it.

huh :confused:

Aren't those ludes crappy? Like the motor really suck? Sorry if I am wrong, everyone I know who has had them say they are crap.

I know that there is no AWD lude. BUT, there is an AWD Civic. I want to find this civic, rip out its drivetrain and put it under my lude. Since the rear diff is weak, I wanted to replace it with either an s2k rear diff, or one from a dsm. The tranny should bolt up to my b20. That way I could have a six-speed and AWD. It would be the first awd 'lude i've ever seen. btw, I hate FWD cars, but I fell in love with the lude. Just wanted to bring her over the top.

Also, to clear this up. There is an AWD civic with a b series engine. My prelude has a b series engine(b20)
I don't want to turn the engine and make the car rwd.
I want to do a drivetrain(tranny, transfer cases etc.) swap from the awd civic to my 'lude.
This would efectivly make my car awd without toooo much fabbing.
The awd rear diff is known to be weak, I want to replace it with a stronger on, preferably a Honda one ie the S2000.
Is everyone on board with me now?
gooood

the transmission and the rear diff are seperate; as i stated before youd need a transfer case if you were to use the S2k transmission(which is the only one with 6spd unless you use the newer evo8 transmission(MR edition i think, even then it might be spinning the opposite direction)); even then the S2k's stock motor is more powerful than the B20 so if you went that route youd be better off sticking with the F20C or F22C.

If you are going to use the civic transmission; then the S2k and dsm rear end wont work because the final drives in the front and back would be different(spinning at different speeds); that is unless you get new custom rear-diff gearset(which you would be doing the same thing if you keep the AWD honda rear differential)

btw; if you were to mate the B20A to the S2K transmission, youll have 6 reverse gears and 1 forward gear...

Also, yes, lots of people dislike the B20A.

GL trying to bolt up the RTAWD Civic tranny to the redheaded step child of b series engines... that's just twice the pain in the ass cuz d and b don't work, and b and f doesn't really fly either... GL though and remember to take plenty of pics for us to see...

You know this would be much easier if you just bough a sixth gen and put it over the frame of a jeep wrangler unlimited. its something like a .2 inch diffrence and you would have all the AWD action you could want!

AWD civic...are we speaking of the wagovan :dunno:

yes, the "wagovan." Some one thinks I want to mate an s2k's tranny to my b20. That would require lots of fabbing. Im looking to keep the stock transverse engine position of all FWD Hondas. The "wagovan" has a weak rear diff, so I would replace it with something stronger.

There is no 6th gen 'Lude, and I don't want a civic.

Yes the evo's tranny MIGHT work b/c the engine is turned the same way, but why spend all that money When I can use honda parts?

Just go here and scroll down and read everything that has AWD Wagon or AWD listed next to it: http://www.4thgenerationcivic.com/index.html

I want to use the Civic tranny, and just stregthen the rear diff. This way when I nail it, I MOVE, maybe even a little smoke from all 4 tires too.

What is the model and year of the civics that came with this?(ef,dx,etc.)

P.S. I think I threw kevin off whrn I said 6spd, but thats what the website says.

just to answwer his question the awd comes in the wagovan

My question is can I put the awd from the wagon into my lude? THAT'S what I want to know.

man thats a lot of confusing stuff lol i still dont get it are you trying to put a awd civic tranny on the b20 to make it awd?? and put s2k's diffrentials in the tranny to make it stronger?? man reading all that gives me a headache lol

Custom Fabrication If you want it done right, and for it to be able to support some power; you have to go full custom fabrication. There's no cheap way around this. Sell your car and buy an AWD one.

yeah sounds complicated.

The Wagovan has a D series in it. You have a B20A. First D and B don't mix mostly. Second the B20A isn't going to fit jack, that motor sucks.

If you want a cheap AWD car find you a 90-94 GSX or TSI AWD.

if you have the $$$ and like the lude body; do a complete custom fabrication and put in a 4g63 with the evo8 MR-edition drivetrain...youll have a good strong AWD system, a strong and powerful motor, and 6 spd :)

My question is can I put the awd from the wagon into my lude? THAT'S what I want to know.

YES...but with lots of $$$...wouldn't reccomend the wagovan drivetrain...but you can do it

crx with crv drivetrain
http://public.fotki.com/morgie/qsr/crx_gsr_awd_turbo/

teg with crv drivetrain (not actual write-up thread)
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=807099

so if the wagovan drivetrain was better they would have used that

Ah I see. oh well. Kill that idea until I get rich.
B20a5 sucks? Itll kill your little civic.
PRELUDE POWER BEYOTCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah I see. oh well. Kill that idea until I get rich.
B20a5 sucks? Itll kill your little civic.
PRELUDE POWER BEYOTCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ah I see. oh well. Kill that idea until I get rich.
B20a5 sucks? Itll kill your little civic.
PRELUDE POWER BEYOTCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

with all the help we gave him...he called us BEYOTCHES :disappoin

i guess that's what we get for helping the
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LMAO! Those whiteboy gangster wannabes are almost as funny as the dude in your sig... I laugh every time I look at it...

lmao thats got to be the ugliest three i ever seen lol o man prelude guy hes no gangster hes a wankster not even a wankster he dont deserve the k so he a wanster lmao :lol:

theres no practical way to get the wagovans awd to work in your prelude., firstly the awd was a pos, its not like awd from an evo or sti, its a pos. secondly the parts are so weak it could hardle handle the 108hp it was getting in the civic. third, if you can even find a wagovan anymore, last model i believe was an 89, then you'll be lucky if any of it is still usebale.

now you want to mate it too an s2k or dsm product, not happening. the b-series motor of the old prelude was not the same as the new b's from civic si's, or crv's, and they arent interchangeable either.

your best bet, save from not buying a real awd car like a subie, is to use the motor/drivetrain from a newer crv and upgrade that b20 and fit it into at least an 88+ civic/crx chassis.

good luck.

I was only kidding. U civic guys have a bad rep as RICERS. But so does every import/Honda driver with mods. Thanks for all the help.

civic guys have a bad rep as RICERS + so does every import/Honda driver with mods = Prelude + honda + CivickillerLude


Now for you non-math inclined folks what i have done is make two statements equal. Civickillerlude has infact told us he is a ricer and gives the rest of us a bad rep.

I for one dont have any mods done to my car so im not a ricer nor do i give the rest of us a bad rep! WEE HEEE!!!

Ah I see. oh well. Kill that idea until I get rich.
B20a5 sucks? Itll kill your little civic.
PRELUDE POWER BEYOTCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For some reason I think my "little Civic" will kill your prelude. I want to know what kind of Civics you killed?

Im stock as of yet also. But stock 2 litre ludes arent all that slow to be 13-17 old cars. And when I do start to build my car it'll be anything but rice. come on over to Prelude Power sometime and check out the 3rd gen forums. B20 sucks, HA! come see what a b20 can do.

For some reason I think my "little Civic" will kill your prelude. I want to know what kind of Civics you killed?
Stock for stock? Haven't had the oppertunity to race my S (2 liter dual carb) model yet. I'll have my SI in two weeks, LET THA CIVIC KILLIN' BEGIN! Do the math, I have more torque than some civics have hp. aaaahahahahahahahahaaaaa

Dude, just leave :loser:

I was gone. I found out how weak the civic awd system was, thanked yall and left. then I get an email for a new post, Im hungry for info so I open it and somebody's bashin on the prelude, Honda's Sports Lux car. What to expect tho from CIVIC drivers? Im out.

get your gay ass stankin piece of sh*t lude out of the dam 4th gen civic forum you dont belong my gay friend...haha

man seriously, 3rd gen ludes are cool and all, but they arent fast. my best friend has the cleanest 3rd gen lude ive ever seen, but he gets his ass handed to him by my EF every time, and all i have is a "little" b16 in it. come to think of it, my "heavy" d16z6 powered del sol beats his lude too.

again, 3rd gen preludes are cool for what they are, something different and uncommon made by honda, but they arent fast in stock trim at all, and they take a lot of work to make fast

get your gay ass stankin piece of sh*t lude out of the dam 4th gen civic forum you dont belong my gay friend...haha

that was uncalled for :rolleyes:

again, 3rd gen preludes are cool for what they are, something different and uncommon made by honda, but they arent fast in stock trim at all, and they take a lot of work to make fast

They're hardly uncommon. Everybody and their mother has one in SC. Some are fast too, must be an anamoly or something...

Honda's Sports Lux car. What to expect tho from CIVIC drivers? Im out.

First of this is the Civic forum.
Second I wouldn't call that Hondas sports lux car.

i know prelude power, my friend gweeven is prolly one of the only people on there with a turbo prelude, and plus he even tells me without his turbo his lude is slow

i know prelude power, my friend gweeven is prolly one of the only people on there with a turbo prelude, and plus he even tells me without his turbo his lude is slow
There's quite a few turbos 'ludes there, a few H22 ones, and a few all motor. Its hard to make an all motor 'lude fast thats true. Its made to be a higher speed cruiser.
I saw SC, where in SC? I used to live in gwood, I have people there waiting for me to get my 3rd gen SI so that we can start a car club.

I just have to put an engine in b/c the last owner did 130 on the highway for half a minute, then the car was stolen and the theives blew the engine. so, itll be ready soon.

The guy with the EF: your freind must have an auto or maybe he just can't drive.

There's quite a few turbos 'ludes there, a few H22 ones, and a few all motor. Its hard to make an all motor 'lude fast thats true. Its made to be a higher speed cruiser.
I saw SC, where in SC? I used to live in gwood, I have people there waiting for me to get my 3rd gen SI so that we can start a car club.

I just have to put an engine in b/c the last owner did 130 on the highway for half a minute, then the car was stolen and the theives blew the engine. so, itll be ready soon.

The guy with the EF: your freind must have an auto or maybe he just can't drive.

I'm near Clemson/Greenville area...

There's quite a few turbos 'ludes there, a few H22 ones, and a few all motor. Its hard to make an all motor 'lude fast thats true. Its made to be a higher speed cruiser.
I saw SC, where in SC? I used to live in gwood, I have people there waiting for me to get my 3rd gen SI so that we can start a car club.

I just have to put an engine in b/c the last owner did 130 on the highway for half a minute, then the car was stolen and the theives blew the engine. so, itll be ready soon.

The guy with the EF: your freind must have an auto or maybe he just can't drive.


First of all. You just said "its hard to make an all motor 'lude fast". Now didn't you say earlier you had NO mods done to your car? So if its hard to work on a prelude and make it fast, how is yours fast at all with no modification done?

Second of all... 130mph isn't all that fantastic, and it means nothing as far as how fast your car can accelerate. I have done 130 in a ford ranger, Infiniti Q45, a crown victoria and my CRX. The Ford Ranger only had 119 HP... so by you saying how high of speed your old engine hits, has nothing to do with anything.

I'm not here to flame you... but calling us all ricers and saying your heavy ass tank can beat our cars... is well a joke.

I am sure more than half the people on here would smoke you without even trying.

I'm near Clemson/Greenville area...
That's not that far away, I'll remember you when we get organized. Im in Charlotte now so two chapters of the club will open simultaniously

The guy with the EF: your freind must have an auto or maybe he just can't drive.


no, its a manual. and we swapped cars before, and my car still won. so it wasnt driver error. face it, the 3rd gen is underpowered in stock form. dont be upset about it, so are civics. the difference is that civics are easy to swap something bigger into, and they are lighter, and the prelude has neither of those as options.

There are different definitions of fast. I mean 10-sec NA fast. I didn't say yall were ricers, I said yall have the rep of ricers. The most riced out cars are Civics and Cavilers, Thats a fact. I have nothing against them.

what are you trying to say man i like eating rice at home and on the street i aint no dam rice burner.. i like to keep my car a sleeper look maybe some add on lips but none of that body kit and what not.. u civickillerlude are the definite ricer!! :nono:

What a dumbass. once again: IM.....NOT....CALLING........CIVIC.........OWNERS. .........RICERS,....IM SIMPLY SAYING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE RICE THEM OUT. Get your head outta your ass for 2 seconds, and read more than just the last post. Anything can be riced, a lot of people choose civics b/c they're cheap. I saw one to day with an R33 front, sideskirts, a rear with a burnspot because there is no muffler cutout, one spinner hubcap that was hanging off, and three bare black stock wheels. Then I saw another very clean black example. It looked ok.

haha get my head outta my ass the only head that is up there is yours.. people buy "Civics" cuz there light and motors can be swapped fairly easy unlike the "Prelude" which is heavy like a dam hippo :disappoin and swaps seem extremely complicated... well im done with you mr. Lude so if you can think of anything better to say then post it if not just go back to your "Prelude" forum.. and jabber your mouth in there

I wouldn't say it was a hippo, accord, thats a hippo. Its only complicated because you don't understand. I have nothing against your lil civic. Seems to me you have an inferiority complex(that means you need to get some self confidence.) Im going to leave this alone. You truly are a ricer. You know nothing of the culture and don't understand that I can talk about your car and still respect it. I talk about V-8s to, but I know that unless its in the curves Im probably going to get beat. Next time you get to race a Prelude make sure its in some twisties, make sure you have a tow truck on standby to get your car out of the woods.

ok imma stop now too much talking lol whatever tho i aint mad haha

I wouldn't say it was a hippo, accord, thats a hippo. Its only complicated because you don't understand. I have nothing against your lil civic. Seems to me you have an inferiority complex(that means you need to get some self confidence.) Im going to leave this alone. You truly are a ricer. You know nothing of the culture and don't understand that I can talk about your car and still respect it. I talk about V-8s to, but I know that unless its in the curves Im probably going to get beat. Next time you get to race a Prelude make sure its in some twisties, make sure you have a tow truck on standby to get your car out of the woods.

i find that funny...so i can call your mom an ugly b***h that can't do jacks**t but get f**ked by me...but i still respect her...that's essentially what your saying when u talk about someones car...atleast some people take it that personal...but u get the point...and why does everyone think they can race their hondas on winding roads b/c everyone says it handles good :dunno: if i still had my 70hp ED6 i'd beat a lot of preludes on winding roads b/c i knew what my car could handle and knew at what speeds in the turns where my tires would loose grip...now if i had my civic...i'd beat a prelude in the curves stock for stock, mod for mod...if u want to take me up on the challenge, wait until i get another hb and we can go to The Tail of the Dragon

i'd beat a prelude in the curves stock for stock, mod for mod...if u want to take me up on the challenge, wait until i get another hb and we can go to The Tail of the Dragon

I'm down. The tail of the dragon is sweet. I did the last part of it and had a blast. It was cool cuz I continued home through my spots...

a buddy of mine is moving from louisiana to about 30 minutes from the tail of the dragon. hopefully after he settles in i can go visit and take my car on it

Responding to a few things said on the first page ...

Hondas are the generic low cost models put out in the US. You want to call a prelude luxury and your just mistaken, thats what acura is for. The reason acura, the brand itself, was made for the USDM market was to differentiat the label from cheap and economical cars, aka Honda, to something more luxury and robust that wasnt so economical.

The "sports lux" as you put it would be the s2000. If you care to argue about your sports lux, call it economy lux.

Second thing, If you want to talk numbers for enginge output and torque ect ect. You better understand that it boils down to TWO figures. HP:Weight and Torque. If you have higher torque but your HP:Weight ratio is crap, your torque is doing nothing for you. While you take the Civic and its HP:Weight ration can go from stock of 108 (si):to roughly 2k pounds all the way to 160hp:2300 to 2400 pounds. Your prelude can not come close to those numbers with any kind of stock engine.

Lets not get into the accord, thats just a poor excuse for a people mover. It might as well be a station wagon but i bet you my mom could smoke your lude with her 04 accord. She doesnt drive over the speed limit either ;>

Simply put though, you dont come into the house of Civic and try to dis us. Were a bigger family here then you have for your "Lewd". If you wanted more information about making your lude AWD you should have asked them ... ohh wait ... they are nothing but a bunch of flaming pricks who would laugh at you for asking such a stupid question ... Look what you got for coming in here ;>

I think the collective knowledge and general care base here in the civic forum deserves an apology for you affront to our pride. Take your ass back to the lude forum and stay there.

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Here is my sh!!tty civic rice!

yeah I agree the wheels suck, but nothing like getting 17's smokey!








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Dude clean your freaking car out.