The Favorite Band
a007apl
04-12-2002, 06:01 AM
YogsVR4
04-12-2002, 11:10 AM
waist
emadboy200
04-12-2002, 11:38 AM
Napster hates Metallica :D
87accordlxi
04-12-2002, 12:12 PM
Megadeth is better :ylsuper
Polygon
04-12-2002, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by 87accordlxi
Megadeth is better :ylsuper
Why? Because they didn't sell out? I still listen to some of the newer Metallica stuff but I like the older stuff a lot more. Metallica is one hell of a metal band.
Megadeth is better :ylsuper
Why? Because they didn't sell out? I still listen to some of the newer Metallica stuff but I like the older stuff a lot more. Metallica is one hell of a metal band.
87accordlxi
04-12-2002, 03:02 PM
na, i just said that cuz megadeth is sort of the anti-metallica. i like both bands
MBTN
04-12-2002, 04:35 PM
My favorite song is "One" By Metallica. :) :ylsuper
a007apl
04-12-2002, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by 87accordlxi
Megadeth is better :ylsuper
Sorry(Because Megadeth Finish)
Megadeth is better :ylsuper
Sorry(Because Megadeth Finish)
a007apl
04-12-2002, 08:05 PM
a007apl
04-12-2002, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by emadboy200
Napster hates Metallica :D
No problem, I use www.audiogalaxy.com :cool:
Napster hates Metallica :D
No problem, I use www.audiogalaxy.com :cool:
JD@af
04-12-2002, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Polygon
Why? Because they didn't sell out? I still listen to some of the newer Metallica stuff but I like the older stuff a lot more. Metallica is one hell of a metal band. I too like both bands very much. For a long time I got mad at those who accused Metallica of selling out.. but in time I jumped ship and began to agree.
Metallica was such a dominating band in the late 1980's. They created the "mainstream" (metal was always underground back then, and never enjoyed the same level of publicity that contemporary metal bands like Disturbed, Godsmack, and System of a Down enjoy) thrash style of metal that so many bands of the 90's and today ultimately molded themselves after. The forefront of MTV was ruled by bands like Def Leppard, Poison, and Van Halen. Metallica and other metal bands were banished to being played only during Headbanger's Ball. Finding an audience was a lot tougher back then - and it had to be done the old-fashioned way.
The big four of thrash metal, though they all played it very differently, were Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer. I think there can be zero debate about which of the bands was the most influential. I remember hearing radio clips after Puppets and Justice were released, of metal heads who said they listened to Metallica, and only Metallica. They were the larger than life core of heavy metal. And for the die hards, for them to change (remember that Lars said they would never record a ballad (they broke this promise with Nothing Else Matters), never make a video (they broke this promise with One), and one other... ) in order to sell more records was the ultimate slap in the face for the band that once established the underground scene of heavy metal. You may recall the turn towards heavier music Pantera made after Metallica released "the black album". They were just one of many bands that were ashamed that a band they had admired, that had helped put their music on the map, had abandoned their "throne" for the fame and fortune of mainstream culture.
It would be a little different if they were a band that never found success doing what they were doing. On the contrary, they found, IMO, more success in metal than any other band in history (arguably Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Guns and Roses are exceptions). They betrayed those they had built themselves on. They made an entire generation of pop culture kids (myself included) into metal heads, and left us with sloppy seconds of who they once were.
It is a little unfair to affiliate their success with selling out, but I have little doubt that Lars knew what he was doing. He has shown himself to be a wise and cunning marketer and businessman through the years. So he and the rest of the guys from Metallica chose to piss away their standings and respect among the underground fanbase. It was their choice. And it can be seen today how the other bands (Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, Pantera), though less successful, carried the torch, and defended their reputations among their fans by never straying from the path of the music they had built their reputations performing.
Why? Because they didn't sell out? I still listen to some of the newer Metallica stuff but I like the older stuff a lot more. Metallica is one hell of a metal band. I too like both bands very much. For a long time I got mad at those who accused Metallica of selling out.. but in time I jumped ship and began to agree.
Metallica was such a dominating band in the late 1980's. They created the "mainstream" (metal was always underground back then, and never enjoyed the same level of publicity that contemporary metal bands like Disturbed, Godsmack, and System of a Down enjoy) thrash style of metal that so many bands of the 90's and today ultimately molded themselves after. The forefront of MTV was ruled by bands like Def Leppard, Poison, and Van Halen. Metallica and other metal bands were banished to being played only during Headbanger's Ball. Finding an audience was a lot tougher back then - and it had to be done the old-fashioned way.
The big four of thrash metal, though they all played it very differently, were Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer. I think there can be zero debate about which of the bands was the most influential. I remember hearing radio clips after Puppets and Justice were released, of metal heads who said they listened to Metallica, and only Metallica. They were the larger than life core of heavy metal. And for the die hards, for them to change (remember that Lars said they would never record a ballad (they broke this promise with Nothing Else Matters), never make a video (they broke this promise with One), and one other... ) in order to sell more records was the ultimate slap in the face for the band that once established the underground scene of heavy metal. You may recall the turn towards heavier music Pantera made after Metallica released "the black album". They were just one of many bands that were ashamed that a band they had admired, that had helped put their music on the map, had abandoned their "throne" for the fame and fortune of mainstream culture.
It would be a little different if they were a band that never found success doing what they were doing. On the contrary, they found, IMO, more success in metal than any other band in history (arguably Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Guns and Roses are exceptions). They betrayed those they had built themselves on. They made an entire generation of pop culture kids (myself included) into metal heads, and left us with sloppy seconds of who they once were.
It is a little unfair to affiliate their success with selling out, but I have little doubt that Lars knew what he was doing. He has shown himself to be a wise and cunning marketer and businessman through the years. So he and the rest of the guys from Metallica chose to piss away their standings and respect among the underground fanbase. It was their choice. And it can be seen today how the other bands (Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, Pantera), though less successful, carried the torch, and defended their reputations among their fans by never straying from the path of the music they had built their reputations performing.
a007apl
04-12-2002, 09:24 PM
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My Favorite SET LIST:
0º The Good The Bad the Ungly, 1º So What, 2º Blackened, 3º Sad But True,4º Master of Puppets, 5º Creeping Death, 6º The Four Horseman, 7º One, 8º Better Than Thou, 9º Die Die my Darling, 10º No Leaf Glover, 11º Seek & Destroy, 12º Killing Time, 13º Devil's Dance, 14º Ain't my Bitch, 15º Fuel, 16º Disponsable Heroes, 17º Fade to Black, 18º Enter Sandman, 19º Breadfan, 20º Turn the Page, 21º Wherever I my Roam :cool:
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My Favorite SET LIST:
0º The Good The Bad the Ungly, 1º So What, 2º Blackened, 3º Sad But True,4º Master of Puppets, 5º Creeping Death, 6º The Four Horseman, 7º One, 8º Better Than Thou, 9º Die Die my Darling, 10º No Leaf Glover, 11º Seek & Destroy, 12º Killing Time, 13º Devil's Dance, 14º Ain't my Bitch, 15º Fuel, 16º Disponsable Heroes, 17º Fade to Black, 18º Enter Sandman, 19º Breadfan, 20º Turn the Page, 21º Wherever I my Roam :cool:
Steel
04-13-2002, 12:51 PM
You have a point, JD, but how many times can you listen to "Reinventing the Steel" without going nuts and smashing the CD? I Like pantera and the rest, but their music is just same shit, different day. Its the same as it was in 85. Now i dont know why people are so afraid of change. What is so horrible about Nothing Else Matters? Oh, lars broke a couple promises. He's a horrid man, cause NOBODY ever breaks promises. The point is, Metallica is what brought metal from underground to mainstream, and when that transition happens, you have to make a few sacrificies, like YES, doing a video, and YES having to let MTV play it. But that's the only sacrifice they made. Everything else they did was to their own accord. Nobody TOLD them to do Nothing Else Matters, they just did it because they wanted to. Same thing with Load and ReLoad.
But i already wrote up a big long post aobut this before. So go read that if you want to.
But i already wrote up a big long post aobut this before. So go read that if you want to.
JD@af
04-13-2002, 04:44 PM
You're right Steel (and correct that I certainly can't listen to Reinventing the Steel more than every so often). The facts are not in debate here, we seem to agree on how Metallica changed in relation to the other kings of thrash metal. I think our dissention lies in how we interpret the motivations and effects of their actions.
I can't argue with you that change is necessary. Slayer is a band that I think needs to reinvent themselves if they hope to find any new form of success. IMO, they really haven't done much of anything new since Seasons, and I consider their plateau to have been reached, and that today we see the sun setting on them. Pantera is still a vibrant band, and though major changes are absent in their new material, their style is timeless enough that they can still sell records and keep a winning formula. More like Slipknot and the current large bands of the heavy metal underground, they lack the benefit of radio play, generally speaking, as a portion of their success (at least around here, I pretty much never hear Pantera on the radio). Anthrax, much as I love the band, both new recordings and old, has like Slayer dropped from the spotlight. It pisses me off, because for me their formula still works. Perhaps they too need a reinvention (and the controversy over their name may help get their foot in the door).
This leaves the discussion to Metallica and Megadeth. Megadeth took a turn towards "softer" subjects, simply a turn of events related to overbearing producing, and Dave Mustaine's intermittent cycle of rehab. and relapse when Cryptic Writings and Risk were released, only to rehash into the older style of speed metal he had made the band famous for earlier in their career with Hero. Despite variations in subject content, the music quality never really strayed from the path of what Megadeth had built their reputation recording. That cannot be taken away from Megadeth. But it can be taken away from Metallica. And herein lies the key difference.
Try to learn some of the riffs from Puppets, and it may take weeks to even a couple months to get some of the guitar work down just right. Now try the same thing with material from Load and Reload. You will find that the level of complexity has tapered off considerably. Conventional hard rock and heavy metal music was forever changed by the grunge scene and its influences. Gone are Kirk's screaming guitar solos from the days of old, as one example of how Metallica has changed. True, guitar solos in general are less common today, but their absence is particularly noticeable in Metallica's case. They still release some heavy, kick ass songs (Fuel, Devil's Dance, etc.), but they have strayed far enough from their roots with much of the music from Load and Reload to no longer represent the scene they once owned.
Defend them as you will, I know I represent the cynic's point of view here, but you will have trouble changing the viewpoints of many of their old school fans who see the band as I do. Change is good, but within reason. Beyond that, and you are forming a new identity, and abandoning who you used to be. The fact that Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, and Pantera hold onto their old school fan bases drives home the point.
I can't argue with you that change is necessary. Slayer is a band that I think needs to reinvent themselves if they hope to find any new form of success. IMO, they really haven't done much of anything new since Seasons, and I consider their plateau to have been reached, and that today we see the sun setting on them. Pantera is still a vibrant band, and though major changes are absent in their new material, their style is timeless enough that they can still sell records and keep a winning formula. More like Slipknot and the current large bands of the heavy metal underground, they lack the benefit of radio play, generally speaking, as a portion of their success (at least around here, I pretty much never hear Pantera on the radio). Anthrax, much as I love the band, both new recordings and old, has like Slayer dropped from the spotlight. It pisses me off, because for me their formula still works. Perhaps they too need a reinvention (and the controversy over their name may help get their foot in the door).
This leaves the discussion to Metallica and Megadeth. Megadeth took a turn towards "softer" subjects, simply a turn of events related to overbearing producing, and Dave Mustaine's intermittent cycle of rehab. and relapse when Cryptic Writings and Risk were released, only to rehash into the older style of speed metal he had made the band famous for earlier in their career with Hero. Despite variations in subject content, the music quality never really strayed from the path of what Megadeth had built their reputation recording. That cannot be taken away from Megadeth. But it can be taken away from Metallica. And herein lies the key difference.
Try to learn some of the riffs from Puppets, and it may take weeks to even a couple months to get some of the guitar work down just right. Now try the same thing with material from Load and Reload. You will find that the level of complexity has tapered off considerably. Conventional hard rock and heavy metal music was forever changed by the grunge scene and its influences. Gone are Kirk's screaming guitar solos from the days of old, as one example of how Metallica has changed. True, guitar solos in general are less common today, but their absence is particularly noticeable in Metallica's case. They still release some heavy, kick ass songs (Fuel, Devil's Dance, etc.), but they have strayed far enough from their roots with much of the music from Load and Reload to no longer represent the scene they once owned.
Defend them as you will, I know I represent the cynic's point of view here, but you will have trouble changing the viewpoints of many of their old school fans who see the band as I do. Change is good, but within reason. Beyond that, and you are forming a new identity, and abandoning who you used to be. The fact that Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, and Pantera hold onto their old school fan bases drives home the point.
a007apl
04-13-2002, 07:20 PM
YellowMaranello
04-13-2002, 09:13 PM
gimme feul gimme fire give me that which i desire... I'm gonna go listen to that now.
a007apl
04-13-2002, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by MBTN
My favorite song is "One" By Metallica. :) :ylsuper
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/213382metaband.jpg
My favorite song is "One" By Metallica. :) :ylsuper
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/213382metaband.jpg
a007apl
04-13-2002, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by YellowMaranello
gimme feul gimme fire give me that which i desire... I'm gonna go listen to that now.
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gimme feul gimme fire give me that which i desire... I'm gonna go listen to that now.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/53139710006073.jpg
Steel
04-14-2002, 12:28 AM
Well, lets just see how their new album comes out :)
I reallt like load and re-load because im a bass player, and theres some hard bassing stuff in there, plus its much more prenounced. There are guitar solo's but kirk hammers on that damn wah-wah so much that you dont know it (my only gripe) but he openly admits he uses it too much, so its ok.
about Slipknot....uh.. well you cant exactly call me the biggest fan when i descibe their process of recording a track - "Slamming on 4 guitar with whacked tuning with random metal objects while dipping a a cat into a vat of boiling water" I dont see why a band needs 9 members in the first place. The most i like is Rammstein, and that's 6 if i belive correctly, ( 2 guitars 1 bass 1 keyboard 1 singer and 1 drummer) (btw, Rammstein is awesome, but that's another discussion) so...uh....yeah i forgot what i was talking aobut.
Back to metallica. Oh yeah. Uh. I forgot again. I dunno. I dont have a problem with anyone that doesnt like their "new stuff", i DO have a problem with teenyboppers that are still mad abot napster though. I like thier new stuff, its some cool crap. Until it sleeps...mmm. Its also a case of those songs bring back memories...good ones of my ex..so.
But no matter what, You cant say the music world (esp. Metal) wasnt helped greatly by Metallica.
Now to sorta change the subject... I was thinking of getting a tattoo on my shoulder - the Metallica star with barbed wire laced though it and scary guy in the middle ... is that a loser thing to do? (Metallica haters need now answer) hmmmmm im teetering right now.
I reallt like load and re-load because im a bass player, and theres some hard bassing stuff in there, plus its much more prenounced. There are guitar solo's but kirk hammers on that damn wah-wah so much that you dont know it (my only gripe) but he openly admits he uses it too much, so its ok.
about Slipknot....uh.. well you cant exactly call me the biggest fan when i descibe their process of recording a track - "Slamming on 4 guitar with whacked tuning with random metal objects while dipping a a cat into a vat of boiling water" I dont see why a band needs 9 members in the first place. The most i like is Rammstein, and that's 6 if i belive correctly, ( 2 guitars 1 bass 1 keyboard 1 singer and 1 drummer) (btw, Rammstein is awesome, but that's another discussion) so...uh....yeah i forgot what i was talking aobut.
Back to metallica. Oh yeah. Uh. I forgot again. I dunno. I dont have a problem with anyone that doesnt like their "new stuff", i DO have a problem with teenyboppers that are still mad abot napster though. I like thier new stuff, its some cool crap. Until it sleeps...mmm. Its also a case of those songs bring back memories...good ones of my ex..so.
But no matter what, You cant say the music world (esp. Metal) wasnt helped greatly by Metallica.
Now to sorta change the subject... I was thinking of getting a tattoo on my shoulder - the Metallica star with barbed wire laced though it and scary guy in the middle ... is that a loser thing to do? (Metallica haters need now answer) hmmmmm im teetering right now.
87accordlxi
04-14-2002, 12:58 AM
Slipknot sucks. their lyrics are stupid, and do you honestly need nine fucking people to make a metal band? oh, im sorry...DEATH metal. you know, cuz theyre such badasses
Steel
04-14-2002, 12:14 PM
and its so cool to wear plaster or paris and paper mache masks too.
JD@af
04-14-2002, 02:03 PM
:rolleyes: I'm not going to close this thread, but this is becoming a gratuitous waste of server space at this point. We're debating about Metallica here. So you're not a Slipknot fan? Who gives a shit. And I never even brought up Napster. While on the one hand I do think that Lars and the boys had enough money already, on the other hand I am thankful that someone with enough money to fight the injustices brought to artists by organizations like Napster has stepped up to do what is right for the musicians (my father is a professional musician, so my family is affected by things like this). And if you actually read what I wrote, I agree whole-heartedly with you about Metallica's contribution to the music world. We'll see how the new record comes out.....
The Slipknot bashing pisses me off, because I know many more people that don't like the band than the few that do (and that in and of itself is part of their appeal), but in this context it's just stupid. I only mentioned them to make a comparison with Pantera, in that neither of them enjoy much benefit from radio play to spread their music. Feel free to bash Slipknot or any other band for that matter, but do it in a new thread in Stress Release.
So, call me an asshole today, I don't care, but if any more mindless rambling or stupid bashing goes on in this thread, consider this closed. Thank you.
The Slipknot bashing pisses me off, because I know many more people that don't like the band than the few that do (and that in and of itself is part of their appeal), but in this context it's just stupid. I only mentioned them to make a comparison with Pantera, in that neither of them enjoy much benefit from radio play to spread their music. Feel free to bash Slipknot or any other band for that matter, but do it in a new thread in Stress Release.
So, call me an asshole today, I don't care, but if any more mindless rambling or stupid bashing goes on in this thread, consider this closed. Thank you.
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