ls/vtec

ive have done a lot of searching and i now know a lot about how to build a ls/vtec and what u need.. now all i need to know is how much $$ is a ls/vtec conversion is going to cost me.. thanks in advance

its going to cost from what my research about $3k. Personally if it were me I would go LS Turbo instead of LS/VTEC. It cost about the same or turbo may be a bit more, but the performance difference is huge.

are you doing it yourself ?
do you have the other parts?

total running cost from a shop or what you need to be more spefic please.

not to steal the thread but how much do u think it would cost to have a shop do it acesnyper?

oh... how much hp to u get from ls/vtec and how much hp would you get from ls turbo on like stock internals?? and no i wouldnt do the ls/vtec myself i would have a shop do it but id buy the parts..

shop do it in just labor?
hp on both need alot more info what rods pistons etc your using on a LSvtec and what turbine how much psi etc for the LSturbo.

ok forget the turbo i am really serious about doing a ls/vtec on stock internals how more much hp would i get and how much would it cost to get a shop to do the labor and im going to buy the parts and do you know if shops have vtec heads an will just do swaps without you having to do anything and if so how much would it cost for the shop to buy and do it all??

Well go turbo, greddy $2,500.00 and you can have it all. Ls-vtec about $3,000.00 and you realy don't have anything but a low grade GSR. The turbo will put you to like 200hp, Ls maybe 160hp. I think you will make up your mind.

Well go turbo, greddy $2,500.00 and you can have it all. Ls-vtec about $3,000.00 and you realy don't have anything but a low grade GSR. The turbo will put you to like 200hp, Ls maybe 160hp. I think you will make up your mind.


I don't think LS/Vtec is really worth it unless you are a serious tuner. IT takes a lot of time and dedication, and if something is not done perfect you have a messed up motor. It just doesn't make sense to me spend all that time and work into something that is not going to give you as much gains as turbo. Even with LS/Vtec setup, don't you still lack the oil squirters that both gsr and type r come with. Plus since it is still LS block, can't you still only rev to 7,100. Vtec only kicks in at what, 6,200 or so...unless you have timer. So wow that's like 900rpm worth of vtec. Maybe I am completely wrong here. Feel free to kick me in the dirt, I want to learn.

wow u switched my ideas around so if i turbo will it be ok to run it on 135,000 miles and how long will i be able to run the stock internals untill i need to rebuild + how much would a rebuild cost for a shop do do it with the parts purchased by me??

so is the general concensus (sorry not sure on the spelling) here to go with a GS-R or Type R engine to get more boosted power then a LS/Vtec? i really need to know cause i have a LS motor and really want Vtec but at the same time i really want good boosted power too...sorry last post by me on this thread i dont wanna steal it

Well like said before, if honda thought it to be a good idea they would have made the LS/V-TEC. Now I am not saying it's not a good idea. But you are not gonna get the power you could if you had a turbo. You can take you stock LS motor and just ck everything. Make sure is all to fact spec, then put the turbo on. If you want the power of a GSR then get some cams, a good header and a nice cat back and you will have the power of a GSR. It will damn sure cost you less. As for the oil jets, yes the GSR and Type R have them you have to put them in when doing a LS/Vtec.

or you could just go LS/vtec turbo and own everyone!!

i think im just going to swap a b18c5 into my DA do you know how much it would cost to have a shop do the swap?? and are the b18c5 on ebay good because the say that they only want lik 3500 for them when websites want like 5000

i think im just going to swap a b18c5 into my DA do you know how much it would cost to have a shop do the swap?? and are the b18c5 on ebay good because the say that they only want lik 3500 for them when websites want like 5000
Don’t swap in a type r motor, IMO it is a waste of money. I say turbo the ls and if you want to later on down the road swap on a vtec head. But if you insist on doing a swap, swap the b18c1 (gsr) motor in there.

since when does an ls/vtec have less hp than a gsr (assuming you use gsr pistons). keeping an LS block will increase compression (from 10.000817920435364:1 to 10.186614620627835:1) and increase displacement (from 1797.5627647736114 to 1834.6643456929155).

for drivability purposes im want a n/a car.. so y would u say a gsr instead of a type r.. the type r gives u so much more hp..

for drivability purposes im want a n/a car.. so y would u say a gsr instead of a type r.. the type r gives u so much more hp..
Basically the only difference between the b18c5 and b18c1 is a little better head. With the money you save you can drop in a gsr motor and put the rest towards the build. I also think that you need to do a lot more research before you decide on anything because you have changed you mind like 4 times in this thread alone. You've gone from wanting an ls/vtec to a turbo ls, and now a type r.

I if was more sober i'd set you all straight wait till tommorow i'll clear things up I see teh stupidness

I if was more sober i'd set you all straight wait till tommorow i'll clear things up I see teh stupidness

fuck you :lol2: i got so fucked up 2nite...and i took some adderall before so i could study...and it's fucking 6am and im STILL AWAKE.

how much is it to have a shop do a swap??

Doesn't the LS block have more torque and is a more solid block? i could be wrong, but thats what a friend of mine who wanted an LS was trying to tell me.

Doesn't the LS block have more torque and is a more solid block? i could be wrong, but thats what a friend of mine who wanted an LS was trying to tell me.


LS for sho has more torque...Think the blocks are pretty damn close, don't think one is really much stronger...but I could be wrong here. Hey instead of LS/Vtec, or turbo you should just get a dart series b18 motor. :evillol: It's been bored out, sleeved, ready to go for some crazy ass hp. ANd it's your for only about 14,000:) :2cents: :2cents:

since when does an ls/vtec have less hp than a gsr (assuming you use gsr pistons). keeping an LS block will increase compression (from 10.000817920435364:1 to 10.186614620627835:1) and increase displacement (from 1797.5627647736114 to 1834.6643456929155).


Well first, stop reading out of books and giveing compression shit that really don't matter when you cantrev an ls over 7,100 rpm. Know one ever said anything about useing GSR pistons. So in a nutshell, yes an LS/vtec will have less hp then a standerd GSR.

And i do understand you wanna keep everything N/A, but that is the only way you are gonna make real power. If you are worried about it being a good driving car, then unless you are gonna spend the $$$$ to do the ls/vtec right (witch is about $4,000.00) then you may aswell just do up the LS and call it a day.

just to state the record the ls/vtec does not rev up to 7100 with 900 worth of vtec it revs to like 8and change it all depends on the head cause the head controls the rev ing

just to state the record the ls/vtec does not rev up to 7100 with 900 worth of vtec it revs to like 8and change it all depends on the head cause the head controls the rev ing

Head plus internals right? You still need better pistons and rods, might as well upgrade cams, lifters and valve springs while you are in there! I deffinately want to do something to my ls as well. I am thinking about going the NA rout just because I don't want to attract too much attention with turbo. Eveyone can here that ish. Plus I want my extra power imediately!, i.e., I want to get cams, springs, lifters, and headers. Anyone know what kinda cams open up your low end. Heard a lot about crower 403's and 404's but they are all for top end. I just want to increase torque as much as possible, as early as possible!

Someone please delete this thread! There is way too much wrong information in this thread and way too many stupid posts. Let's just forget this ever happened.

i just went through the whole LS VTEC phase. and the way i came out is this.
i have a 91 LS motor. i'm getting it ready for a major upgrade. that upgrade may be turbo or vtec. but untill i upgrade everything around that issue i'm not going to make a desicion. i would love to go all motor. i've seen some older cars like mine with around 220hp. that's a pretty number. also i've noticed that if you ass something like vtec or turbo, it's only as good as your weakest link. if you have a turbo on there and you still have your stock coil powering your upgraded wires and plugs then you're wasting your money. the stock coils tend to overheat and preform like a cow in the kentucky derby. so my suggestion is to do some of your own work on the car by taking baby steps. get an intake and put it in yourself. if you put a little heart in the car it'll run that much faster to you.
my question to you is what upgrades are already on the car? and if it's all pretty much stock i suggest taking your next paycheck and drop 2 or 300 into a part that you can put in. LS/VTEC is no joke. i have a good knowledge of motors and can do a lot more on them than i could 4 months ago but ls/vtec is a very complicated matter. turbo is almost bolt on as long as you know where the bolts go. and turbo can be computerized better than vtec. just remember whichever you choose you can always add the other.

I am about to get a ls but want to have more power than a GSR. I dont really trust how much hp gains different companys advertise their turbos to have because they usually inflat it. So with a good turbo system for 4,000 or under on an LS, how much hp do you think i could squeeze on stock internals?.. After that.. later on i could add some better pistons, rods, etc. Then how much hp do you think i could get since i i could run at a higher psi? So to sum it up..


1. how much hp gain on stock internal ls engine with good turbo under 4 grand. 2. how much gain with that turbo but rebuilt engine and higher psi?

and sorry to add to the confusion.. but my friend said i should get a crv block.. a b20 i think it is, and a gsr or type r head. he said the crv block has high flow and then the gsr or type r head obviously has vtec and i dono, im kinda confused, just wondering what you thought about that

I could be wrong here but it is my understanding that you can get away with a decent turbo setup for around 2400 to 3000 if you don't buy a kit and find the parts yourself. As far as the horsepower number, people are probably just going to ask you to be more specific. There are so many different kits out there. For one of us to tell you exactly how much hp you are going to put down from parts we don't know is just not plausable. Generaly speaking 210 to 240hp is what I understand the the engine is good for on stock internals. I don't know how long your engine is going to run but supposedly the LS can handle 8-12psi. If you want to stay NA you can get more or the same hp as GSR just buy getting exhaust, intake, headers and CAMS.

it may be so that they would have done the Vtech at the factory if they wanted it done. But in the year of my car the only car that had Vtech was the NSX in 91

I am about to get a LS but want to have more power than a GSR. I dont really trust how much hp gains different companys advertise their turbos to have because they usually inflate it. So with a good turbo system for 4,000 or under on an LS, how much hp do you think i could squeeze on stock internals?.. After that.. later on i could add some better pistons, rods, etc. Then how much hp do you think i could get since i could run at a higher psi? So to sum it up..


1. how much hp gain on stock internal ls engine with good turbo under 4 grand. 2. how much gain with that turbo but rebuilt engine and higher psi?

and sorry to add to the confusion.. but my friend said i should get a crv block.. a b20 i think it is, and a gsr or type r head. he said the crv block has high flow and then the gsr or type r head obviously has vtec and i dono, im kinda confused, just wondering what you thought about that

so i guess i should be more specific.. how about an intercooled t3/4 turbo. Would that be the best turbo to go with if i went that route? ..and i guess the block can handle 8-12 psi w/ stock internals.. What about je pistons, rods, and other componets. Could i then run like 16-18 psi? If i could that would surely put out more hp then a gsr with cams and i/h/e..

an example of the turbo kit i want.. fmax/ turbonetics stage 2 (http://www.turbo-kits.com/integra_turbo_kits.html) **make sure you scroll down about half way, it is under the '94-'01 integra category** And then under that category it should be the first one.. i like how it comes with a "free" ball bearing upgrade

I think if you were looking at dropping in a new block go with the new K20 from the RSX Type S. It's strong with a high redline

well...

this was an interesting thread indeed...

1st, K20 block w/ a b series head, right (you sir need to read a LOT more before posting again.)

2nd, The ls/turbo is the cheaper/faster way to go.

3rd, The gsr B18c1 is a fine motor to go with (yes even for a turbo app.) you simply will have to build it more to run higher PSI.

4th, The Type R B18c5, is probably the last motor you want to run w/ if you're looking for straight-line power w/ a small budget. simply too expensive to get much faster than stock, HOWEVER, if you do have the money, then it is always an option.

5th, The ls/vtec motor usually puts AROUND the same power as a b18c1 motor, but you've got to remember this motor needs to be put together carefully and by someone who knows what they're doing. The power it puts out will also depend on which head/block combo/cams/pistons/rods etc you decide to use for your set-up

Finally, get what motor you want man...if you have the money, go for the GSR/Turbo set-up, if you don't...then go for the LS/Turbo set-up...if you know something about cars and want more of a challenge, go the LS/VTEC route.

There isn't a "better" way to go...simply depends on your own personal preference and how deep your pocket is.

I have read about a couple of K20 transplants (not with a b-series head) just strait k20 NA tuned with skunk2 parts: cams, gears, underdrive pulleys, forged pistons, the works. I believe the compression was around 12.0:1 i also believe it was bored out. It was all transplanted into a DA teg.I can't remember the exact details but it was pulling roughly 320 whp.Of course this was a custom job and it cost a buttload of money.
I wouldn't really recomend it if you had any kind of budget, but it was a really cool swap.

hey thanks KrNxRaCer00, that was pretty informative. I think it sounds like turboing the LS is the best option. How about this.. i turbo my LS but i get a turbo that is applicable to the LS and the GSR engines.. Then one day after i have my turbo LS for awhile and some more money, i can get a GSR swap but still have my turbo. Sound good?

I'm sorry but I have to interupt and set some things straight...I have done way to much research for my own good about doing my own ls/vtec conversion and first of all it doesnt cost 3k...more like 1k at the most. Here is the exact and i mean exact parts list·DOHC VTEC B-series cylinder head complete with valve cover, intake manifold, VTEC solenoid assembly and internals· VTEC ECU · VTEC B-series distributor · '90-'01 Integra LS head gasket· '94-'01 Integra GS-R head bolts (also Type R, del Sol DOHC VTEC and Civic Si)· '94-'01 Integra GS-R water pump (also Type R, del Sol DOHC VTEC and Civic Si)· '94-'01 Integra GS-R timing belt (also Type R)· '94-'01 Integra GS-R knock sensor (also Type R, del Sol DOHC VTEC and Civic Si)· -4 steel braided hose with female ends, 22 inches in length· 1/8-inch NPT female to 1/8-inch NPT female to 1/8-inch BSPT male on run pipe tee· 1/8-inch NPT male to -4 male straight adaptor· 3/8-inch NPT male to -4 male straight adaptor· 1/8-inch internal pipe plug· 1/8-inch NPT pipe tap· 3/8-inch NPT pipe tap· 14mm drill bit· 10.9mm drill bit· 12mmx1.25mm tap
Second you can gain up to 26hp to the wheels, which is more than you could get from 1k of aftermarket parts. Plus VTEC amplifies the performance gain in the long run, like when turbo'd for instance. Also if you buy the Golden Eagle LS/VTEC conversion kit there is absolutly no machining nessecery. Means you can do it urself. All you have to do is tap a few things for oil line placements. Turbo put more stress on your stock internals than you think...I wouldnt reccommend running a turbo on stock internals for more than a year...and to just be safe I would run some electronics like a turbo timer and boost controller to make sure things are running correctly and safley. I strongly reccomend doing the LS/VTEC conversion, not only for the performance but you will learn a lot more about ur car and how things work instead of just knowing what they do. Hope this helps. Peace

If you have anymore questions about this conversion go to this link
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0411scc_hybrid/

You are right (kinda). Yes, turbo does put stress on the motor and no the motor will not last long on stock. But neather will the LS/Vtec without fixing the bottom end to suport the higher rev's. I am really only going buy the resuch i have done on this. I wanted to do one, but pulling the motor was not something i really need to do right now. You will also wanna get a gsr tranny. The ls is so slugish and don't like them high rev's eather. On this note, my only 2cents would be the LS/Vtec is a good way to go if your gonna take the time to make sure you do it right!!!

Really good idea to get the Golden Eagle kit. Take the guess work out of the install.