why isnt this done more

i was looking at the most bang for the buck and im not sayin i would do it but why dont more people put the h22 in their 4g?

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=page&item=30016


it would seem to me that with this set up it wouldnt be unreasonable to think you could hit mid to low 14s with few or no mods

And, would someone explain to me this bracket thats used to hook up a b series trans to the H motors?

The main problem with the H is its a heavy engine, compared to the engine that our 4G was designed for to begin with... So you will need to upgrade the suspension and brakes... All this adds up... And youll still have clearence issues with the hood, and the space in the engine compartment... Its rare if it all, that u can get A/C with the H also, but with a B its not much harder to keep your A/C... Plus think how much a pain it would be to squeeze it in there, and then once u get it in, to work on it... Its probably best for the money, to just swap in a GSR engine...

Because you'll need more than just what the "complete swap" comes with to get it in your car and running. And it's a big engine for a small enging compartment. If you do a search on here you'll find a ton more info on it.

I'd think it would be reasonable to hit mid to high 13's with the setup. I saw a guy with a stock h22a block (no upgraded internals) in a '96-'98 Civic hb that did 13.8-.9 at a track one night. So with the much lighter 4th gens, I'm sure you could do better if you got traction and knew how to launch.

The "bracket" is an adapter plate that helps match up the bolt patterns so you can use a b-series tranny on H & F series engines. If you do a search over at honda-tech, you'll find a ton of info on it (as well as people who make them).

i looked on here before i ask and there is alot of good stuff but theres is somthing about posting that helps me understand more i quess because i can ask exactly what i dont know or i quess im a weird . but i did think i read some where that the h22 was only like 17lbs more but maybe not

basicly the only realy way u need to think of this as is tryin to stick the square block i nthe round hole. its jsut not really possible unless you modify.

Yeah like stated above the H22 is a heavy engine, and its a really tight fit in the engine compartment. If the suspension and brakes were already upgraded then it might be better but if not then its not worth the money. And you have to remeber that H22's arent very boost friendly, high comp. and thin cylinder walls. Of course with a rebuild the H22 could handle more boost but thats even more to spend.

i looked on here before i ask and there is alot of good stuff but theres is somthing about posting that helps me understand more i quess because i can ask exactly what i dont know or i quess im a weird . but i did think i read some where that the h22 was only like 17lbs more but maybe not


Well, ppl do argue that its only like 30 lbs more than a B series, which may be true, but they tend to forget that the USDM 88-91 Civic/CRX chasis wasnt made to fit the B series engines, rather a smaller D... So if the B is already a bigger engine, then u go and add 30 more lbs on top of an already heavy engine, thats alot of weight in a chasis that wasnt made for it...


IMO the 'best bang for the buck' is what ppl usually do, and thats the B16A1... This is because its not very expensive, and is a large increase in power stock, plus has plenty of potential for upgrades... And it dosnt have any noticable negative effects on the chasis...

Your handling will suck big time. Plus IMO the best bang for the buck isn't the B16.

And you have to remeber that H22's arent very boost friendly, high comp. and thin cylinder walls.
Not thin, they are made of some kind of fiber and don't work well with aftermarket pistons.

...but they tend to forget that the USDM 88-91 Civic/CRX chasis wasnt made to fit the B series engines, rather a smaller D...
JDM or USDM, the SiR came with a B16a stock. So technically speaking, they were made to fit a B-series.

But I completely agree with the rest. Daily driver/weekend cruiser :nono: Drag car only :thumbsup:

JDM or USDM, the SiR came with a B16a stock. So technically speaking, they were made to fit a B-series.


The SiR models were also equipped with a better suspension and braking system... And no, the USDM models were not made for a B, if they were, u wouldnt have to pound a 2 inch hole in the frame for the alternator, or have a hood that barely clears the height of the B16... Where as the SiR is a direct fit with no clearence issues...

The 4thgenerationcivic site goes into detail how the EF8 and EF9 have been modified to handle the larger more powerful B...

http://www.4thgenerationcivic.com/JDM-EDM-USDM/JDM/jdm_sir.htm

ok thats kool guys thanks

Plus IMO the best bang for the buck isn't the B16.


Well, what is it? Now u got me curious... :grinyes:

IMO the best bang for the buck is a B18. I have seen full swaps (minus mounts) here got for $500-600.

yeah but for some where around 2500 to 3k you can be around high 13's that would seem to me as good bang for the buck with the h22

IMO the best bang for the buck is a B18. I have seen full swaps (minus mounts) here got for $500-600.


Hmm, u might have a point there... Then it also gives u oppurtunity to go LS/VTEC or turbo... :bigthumb:

i would say b18 too. and so many parts available fron tegs..

just to let you guys know, the h22 is not big at all. It's the h22 tranny that weights alot...that's the part of the swap that's a pain. In all actuallity, the h22 engine itself is not much bigger or heavier than a b16 or b18. That's why people are now using the bseries adapter plate to run the bseries trannies on the h22 motors. You can use all the bseries engine mounts to bolt the engine in w/ the h22 driver's side mount and you use the bseries axles and everything. You don't do anything different than if you were doing a bseries swap in your 88-91 civic/crx.
BTW, an H22 engine will run low to mid 13's in a 4g chassis/2g crx.

I would of went this way if i knew about that plate before i did my b20 swap.

plus the motor leans back a little making it tight against the firewall

the main problem is that it sits way low...if u lowered ur car 2 inches u'd be scraping ur oil pan...

the swaps that i've seen are not tight aginst the fire wall..in fact some people put the intake manifold close to the firewall to have space up front

an H22 engine will run low to mid 13's in a 4g chassis/2g crx


thats fast just think i/h/e with slicks and being in the low 13s high 12s thats crazy to me i dont know maybe its just me.


thanks guys

i forgot to ask so with this plate you can hook up a b16 tranny thats it just making sure i get this right . and since this person used a b16 trans theres no problem with room . is that right.

the problem is the it sits low...look under the car and all u see is oilpan...but with the bracke u shouldn't have any problems

i cant find the bseries adapter plate to run the bseries trannies on the h22 motors any where dose any one know where i can look online

that is a mystery...some people can or claim they can make them but don't sell any...refering to honda-tech

Try Hasport, I believe they are special order and probably will cost you an arm and a leg.

Try Hasport, I believe they are special order and probably will cost you an arm and a leg.

i emailed hasport last year about h22 mounts and they said they were in the testing phase and it'll be about a year or so b4 they will be available

i emailed hasport last year about h22 mounts and they said they were in the testing phase and it'll be about a year or so b4 they will be available

yah, but those mounts are for use with the h22 tranny.
you need just b series mounts when you use the bseries adapter plate with a Bseries tranny.
also, enjo already makes h22 88-91 mounts.

I ment the adapter plate, not the mounts. Someone over at H-T said that Hasport has the adapter plate already, that's all I'm going by. Also said a company called RS Machine has them as well. It'd be worth a shot for anyone to give them a call or e-mail and ask them if they've got them.

the ever elisuve (sp) adapter plate and mounts:

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=918563&postid=10516888#10516888
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=790499
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=933963


pics of install:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=711900
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1007484
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=595978
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=613077

enjo mounts...price tba:
http://www.enjoracing.com/product_details.php?id=7

I ment the adapter plate, not the mounts. Someone over at H-T said that Hasport has the adapter plate already, that's all I'm going by. Also said a company called RS Machine has them as well. It'd be worth a shot for anyone to give them a call or e-mail and ask them if they've got them.

said RS sells them for $1800...could be a typo, but somehow doubt it...haven't heard anything about hasport making an adapter plate....i'll send them an emial and see

just got off the phone with Hasport...H22a mounts aren't being released until :dunno: as far as the adapter plate, guy said that he hasn't heard anything about it

well guys thanks for the help i wonder how you would get the drawings . my father is a machinist. on that note if anybody ever needed anything they could pm me and i could see what i could do about him fabing something up. thanks again guys i appreciate all the help

Yeah that 2nd link is where I saw the hasport having the adapter plate thing; 4th page, 3rd and 5th posts down. But $1,800 is way too much for an adapter plate.

well guys thanks for the help i wonder how you would get the drawings

:dunno: guessing u'll need a b series tranny and h22a engine to start with...after that :dunno: