Tenzo Apex 5 Wheels...

My S14 is black, and I want to go with the black Tenzo Apex 5 Wheels with a mirror lip. I think it would look sick. But do you guys know if they would be too heavy? I am looking into buying 18's. They are like 23 lbs, and I didnt now if they would be too heavy for drifting or not. Please let me know guys. Thanks.

well i would not buy tenzo's. Actually i did, but i will never again. THey dont look bad or anything, there holding up through 3 winters now. I guess i just want a "better" wheel that is light weight. You should be able to drift them fine. But i would recomend buying a better wheel. But if your going to drift, i wouldnt drift with your good set of rims. Use the stockers in back if you do.

I will use the stock ones in back most of the time, but when I go to drift battles, I will probably use my good ones with cheap tires since there isnt as much dangerous stuff to run into, except for cones.

you actually have local battles??? I wonder if there's any gymkhana around my area. It would be cool to learn. It's like drifting but doing a short condensed cone course. It looks as if they never get over second gear lol. Just first and second.

Yea. We have a few local battles, but only a couple a year around here. I also am going to go to a couple further away this year like in Ohio and stuff.

i would never get tenzo rims for a 240. it would look absolutely retarded on it. they dont even have a offset that is as low a 40mm. they're all designed for hondas. and they're not wide at all. i think the widest they go is like 7 inches maybe 7.5 inches wide tops. so the wheels will be narrow and super tucked in it. they will be so tucked in that they won't even clear 300ZX calipers if you decide to upgrade, nor will they clear coil overs. those cars are designed for hondas. if you want good cheap rims. i suggest looking at 5zigen or mb motor sport. they make rims that are light, and they can go as wide as 9.5 inches wide, with a good selection of offset. but yeah can get away with 40 offset with a 7.5 wide rim but it still won't sit that flush. i am currently running on 5 zigen FN01RC. they are 17x9 with a 35mm offset in the rear. the rims weights 16 lbs. structure240sx weights them for me. you can sqeeze 275mm wide tires in the back and sits almost flush. i have a 17x8 in the front with a 25mm offset and they are running on 235mm wheels.

we drive a RWD lets make the car look RWD with a nice staggered wheel setup.

i would high suggest MB motor sport wheels, they are only $110 per rim and you can get a set of 17x8.5 in the front, and 17x9.5 in the
back

heres how they look

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/wheels/mbmwea.br.ang.jpg

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/wheels/mbmwea.large.jpg

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findProductCategoryDetailBrnd.do?tpc=MBMWEA&tp=Car%2FMinivan

Those arent bad looking, but I am kinda looking for some black ones with the chrome lip. You have a good point about the Tenzo's because I do want the rear wheels to be a little wider, so maybe I will look around a little more and find something similiar, but lighter and wider. I just like that thick 5 spoke design. Oh well, Im sure I can find something else that looks even better with the huge selection of wheels out there. My spending limit for wheels is about $1000 and $1200 MAX.

I am also mainly looking to get 18's.

I had Tenzos... I gave them away...

Work Emotion CR Kai - 18x9.5
http://store1.yimg.com/I/hopup1_1842_134462926


1360$ for a set of 4 for a design that...
-wasnt knocked off
-is used by proffesional Racers
-has better sizes than 18x6.5 +50


your not really gonna be able to get good 18in rims for $1200 the drift craze has brought over some low offset 17s in decent sizes but $1200 will really only get you 18x6.5 +50 _________ (insert JDM wackness name here)

but with 17s you can get
5Zigen FN01R-Cs - Pretty common, Pretty Cool.
DT05Rs - Cheap Blocky Nismo 5 Spokes look Decent
Emotion CR - Very Sexy in low offset.

all for under $1200

On an S14 you'll want 17x9 +25 an 17x10+35 (less offset if you strech tire for drift style)... it will require you to roll the fenders but nothing good looking is gonna fit without a roll.

you can still get those mb motorsport wheels in 18x9 for only $159!!! trust me, wide mean looking wheels that fits right will look better then wheels that looks nice but don't fit and are too skinny.

those are 5 lug though :( do they have those in 4 lug?

you can still get those mb motorsport wheels in 18x9 for only $159!!! trust me, wide mean looking wheels that fits right will look better then wheels that looks nice but don't fit and are too skinny.

Yeah. They look like ass in pictures but in person they are actually pretty damn cool. your prolly gonna have to fight tires.com to get them in the right sizes though, those guys tend to like selling 7.5in wide rims.

Johnny5 on Zilvia had them. he sold em for some Work VIP somethings and now hes getting Emotion KAIs. so If you care to look though 100 pages of pics in the Archive you can see how they'll look on your car.

R.W., what do you mean roll the fenders?

You roll the edge of the fender in on itself so that there is more clearance in the wheel well.

Now what size tires would I have to do that on? The 18x10? Also, what does the +# mean? Like +25. I never really knew a lot about tire measurements and shit. Is that the dish size? Thanks for clarifying stuff.

yea the tenzos dont give a mean staggerd look at all. But they do clear coilovers. I would go with the selections that have been mentioned. Or maybe you can find a nice set of some used rims.

http://www.yokohamatire.com/utcustom.asp

To understand offset. (=/-)

where should i look for and wat should i expect to pay for 5zigen FN01RC's 17x9 +35 in the rear and 17x8 +25 in the front? Im probably thinkin hyper black as the color, i have a 96 SE so its 5 lugs... does this sound like a good setup

Ok, I understand offset better now. Thank you. But it says that negative offset is what the dished wheels are, but you guys say something like 18x9 +25. How come you are saying +25 instead of -25?

Damn, I really like these ones, but they are 28 pounds each. DAMN. Thats heavy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7973947036&category=43958

Ok, Will I be able to fit 18x9.5's without rolling the fenders? If not, what is the widest size I can fit in the back and front without rolling them on my S14. Please help. Thanks guys.

About the cheapo eBay rims, how are the smaller front rims heavier then the larger rear rims?

For the offset, negative offset is when you have a 5 inch lip on a 9 inch wheel, for wide wheels with a negative offset you usually need a widebody kit. A good positive offset will be fine, you'll have a nice look and a decent lip.

I saw some guy on CarDomain with 18x8.5 and 18x9.5 on his S14 with no rolling. The offset was between 30 and 40, but I don't remember exactly, I'll try to find it, they are Volk rims on a dark colored SR powered S14 that has a Tanabe exhaust.

its offset

look at the wheel from the side
basically the distance from the exact middle of the wheel to the inside surface that bolts to the hub

Ok yea. Thanks a lot slideways. 1 more question though. Does the offset make a difference of what the wheels will fit. For example, if I can fit 18x9.5's, can I pick whatever offset I want or does that also determine weather or not I have to roll the fenders?

It will have an effect. If you have an offset that tucks the wheel inside the fender, with a different offset it might be sticking out and hit the fender. To see what wheels will fit, measure it on your car because ride height will also be a factor, so just break out the ruler and find out what will fit. (Don't forget to factor in tire size.)

offset determines how far out or in the wheel sticks
more offset means less clearence at the fender
too much offset and even rolling wont work youd have to go get a widebody kit
i have an 89 hatch with 225/40/17s on the front and 235/40/17s on the back and i think any bigger will require fender rolling

offset also affects handling. adding offset will increase the wheelbase and change the suspension characteristics.

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Top is low offset.
Bottom is Highoffset.

Remember, the S14 can Fit Huge wheels (18x10.5 all around Socal Style) so anything less than a 9in wide rim is weaksauce. Id go with 17x9+25F and 17x10+35 as a fairly conservitive fit. However that all changes if your going Socal Drift Style where you need to knock about 20mm off the offset. and strech tire like a mother fucker. adding offset will aid stabiltiy and handling because your increasing Track however it will also kill wheel bearings more quickly (fuckem).

is 17x10 in the back a good fit, or do you have to roll the fenders? same with 17x9 up front?

the smaller the offset number, them more the wheel will stick out. the higher the number on the offset is, the more hte wheel is tucked in.

Ok. Thanks a lot guys. So something like 18x9.5 +25 in the rear should fit and look good, as well as 18x8.5 +28 or 18x9 +30 in the front. correct?

tatII do u have pics of your 5Zigens on your car... maybe i could see them?

Where can i find a good set of rims for a s13 4lug. I can't find shiet and i been looking like crazy. And what size of rim in the back would i have to roll the fender?

Hey. Would these fit? I am talking about the 18x10's in the rear and the 18x9's up front?

http://www.motegiracing.com/wheels/details.asp?wheelid=58&name=Touge%20Gun%20Metal&style=2171&desc=&section=

the fronts would fit, but the back might need a spacer for a 18x10. usually for a 10 inch wide wheel, the offset needs to be in the 10's to clear the rear shocks.

i don't have pics of my fn01rc's. my car is soo dirty right now. i'll take pics later this week and i'll post them up.

I was thinkin of just getting 8 in wide in front and 9 in in the rear but now after this thread i think i will go to 9 and 10 i dident think that that wide would fit without rolling the fenders.

i found these wheels i think would look nice on my s14 http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/findProductCategoryDetailBrnd.do?tpc=TSWTHX&tp=Car%2FMinivan what do u guys think

if the offset for a 10 inch wheel is in the tens is it gonna stick out of my fender and look bad?

I wish they made those in black.

usually people with 10 inch wide wheels their wheels sticks out past their fenders alittle. you also need crazy camber with stretched tires ( like a 225-245mm wide tire on a 10 inch rim ) to clear everything. it just looks odd in person.

usually people with 10 inch wide wheels their wheels sticks out past their fenders alittle. you also need crazy camber with stretched tires ( like a 225-245mm wide tire on a 10 inch rim ) to clear everything. it just looks odd in person.


I belive 17x10 +35 will fit with a 285 tire. One of the guys down here was about to do that and he's as anti Socal Flush as it gets. Would have prolly needed a hefty pull though.


I dont see why everyone crys about Rolling Fenders itss about the easiest damn thing to do and it will allow you to fit something other than 17x8+35 wheels.

I'll try and find the Offset Thread on Zilvia its got a lot of wheels on it.

Yea. Try to find that would ya. Thanks.

I am still looking for the right wheels. Mainly what I am looking for are some black (or even gunmetal) thick 5 spokes with a polished lip, and dished. If anyone knows of any such wheels, or comes across a pair, let me know. Thanks.

http://www.floridaracing.org/drifting/DDAY6/images/IMG_2611.jpg


18x9.5 +12 All the way Around.

I want 18x9.5 in the rear and 18x9 or 8.5 in the front. I am not sure of what offset though. 28 lbs. is hella heavy for a wheel isnt it?

Wider wheels in the front make the car oversteer which is what you want for any kind of performance driving, especially drifting, I don't know why everyone is so obsessed with having a staggered setup. (Unless it's 12 in the back and 11 in the front. :-P)

if it were me i would not go staggered and i wouldnt go wider than 9" or 9.5". a good good wheel for 240's is the 5zigen fn01rc. i am also a huge fan of Work wheels if you could afford the VS-XX i would say go for those but the Emotions are tight too.

http://www.floridaracing.org/drifting/DDAY6/images/IMG_2611.jpg


18x9.5 +12 All the way Around.

his rear tire looks stretched out to the max. well it looks cool on drift cars but i also dont' feel like changing my tires every few thousand miles for excessive wear. also i dont feel like bending my rims with having practically no sidewall or not protection from the curbs either.

so TatII your happy with you 17x9 and 17x8?
are they +35 all around? also where and how much did u pay for them?

sorry to ask all these questions and copyin ur wheels (maybe)

Yeah I dont know why that guy streched so much, maybe hes waiting for a bigger Pull.

Mildly Stretched Setups are the shit. I love the way 225s on a 9 look. but the harcore ones are more or less just fun to look at.(even though I dont like the way they look its just Novel) some guy in JDM land got 205s on an 11! he had to tube the tires and flip the bead over to get to drive it.

One of the coolest looking zenkis Ive ever seen had White TE37s with 19x10.5 +10ish all the way around on a 225 something tire. it doesnt sound that great but it was Hot.

Well, I am sure that a staggered stance is not just a fad, or why would companies like Top Secret or Yashio Factory use the staggered stance too. It might cause oversteer, but probably too much oversteer for drifting, even though that is what you are looking for in a way, but I am pretty sure that those companies know what they are doing.

its not about making more oversteer, its about building a car that is easier to drive

a high powered rwd car with wider fronts will be very hard to control
i know a guy with a supercharged 350z with 18x9.5 front and back and he says its fine but at higher track speeds it gets really tail happy and he wants to get 10.5s in the back

also its about look(we all have a little rice in us) :)

by all means if you think that its easier to control the car with skinny rears go ahead and do it
seriously the only mods a drift car should even have are ones that make it easier for the driver to skillfully control all aspects of driving

Your right. I agree with everything you just said. But back to the post, does anyone have any good wheels ideas for me?

If having wide front tires make the car hard to control at high speed, why does one of the JGTC Supras have 13 inch rims all around?

its not wide fronts that makes it harder to control its WIDER fronts than rears but...



its about building a car that is easier to drive

by all means if you think that its easier to control the car with skinny rears go ahead and do it
seriously the only mods a drift car should even have are ones that make it easier for the driver to skillfully control all aspects of driving

so if the jgtc driver turns faster lap times with a little oversteer then good for him. its about style and skill. everyones different

Oh ok, I thought you meant wide fronts, not wider then rear, even though I dunno why you brought that up lol, but ok.

i have 17x8 with 25 offset in the front and 17x9 with 35 offset in the rear. they're fine for what i do. i paid $800 used with tires from structure240sx. the two rear rims were brand new. you can get the fn01rc's for like $200 per rim new. for their weight and size, they're excellent wheels.

and im sure everyone knows too they clear Z brakes.

if you are looking for a black wheel but want it to be light check out the motegi track lights they are ones of they lightest wheels on the market but you will pay for about $325.00 ea

I like the Motegi Touge wheels too, but I dont think they will fit. I guess they might, but I would end up having them 18x10 in the rear. Would they fit?

Well, I am sure that a staggered stance is not just a fad, or why would companies like Top Secret or Yashio Factory use the staggered stance too. It might cause oversteer, but probably too much oversteer for drifting, even though that is what you are looking for in a way, but I am pretty sure that those companies know what they are doing.


So since Yashios 800+WHP Beasts have stagger it means that a Stock S14 needs them... I see.



You kind of steered towards the light when you actually spent time looking for good widths and a Nice Company but your being dragged back in by all this talk of Motegi.