How much fuel does the world really have left?

Thought you guys might liek this..

http://www.nzenergy-environment.co.nz/free/070704-a.htm

Discuss.


So we have 40 years left of burn outs, V8's, and worked 308's..

Man, I have to seriously mark my burnout mark on Sydney before we run out!!

thats exactly why they're doing hybrids, and hydrogen fuel cell cars... looks like we have weak, no fun cars in our future

yup

we've already got H20 buses in southern Australia I heard.

I bet they run 15's.

What'll the ricers be in 50 years?

"oh yeah man, I put that battery-charger on i get another 6 minutes of boost" hehe.

(battery charger as opposed to super-charge it for those who didn't get it)

that's not strictly 100% correct.
when they say "recovereable" they normally mean "financially viable and within current economic/mechanical means".

in short, it's not technically (worth) recovering if it is going to cost too mcuh to get to it.
that is why you have to actively question why oil prices are going up even though at the moment, the supply is still sufficient/viable.
could it possibly be that the powers that be are trying to make it more viable to get at the harder to reach sources?

don't get me wrong, i'm not advocating the current fuel usage trends as i'm always one for the continual development/refinement of technology both new and old.
on a fundemental level, i do agree that we should be more mindful of what's going on with regards to fossil fuel use, because the simple truth is, ignoring any presented "how many years left" articles, is that it won't last forever and this is one fact that we can't deny.

the thing i'm against here, is the mis-representing of things that may or may not be absolute fact.

Mate, didn't you know? Intelligent posts are strictly forbidden in COT :icon16:

j/k

You're absolutely correct. A sustained oil price of $50+ also makes it economically worthwhile for countries which previously didn't extract oil to start doing so.

I suggest you buy some stock in fuel cells

Oh well i'll be 60 years old by that time... My fun times will be over, and i'll be surprised if i'm still alive

We'll be the last of the fuel generation

thats exactly why they're doing hybrids, and hydrogen fuel cell cars... looks like we have weak, no fun cars in our future

I think there will be... the technology just has to do some serious evolving before I'll ever considder owning a hybrid or electric.

At some point the cost of extraction will match the cost of converting shale to oil. When that happens, there will be several trillion more barrels available which is enough to last several hundred years at the current rate of consumption. I'm not to worried about running out of oil.

NOw if they made a hybrid car with the look of a supra or a skyline...then i would buy it.

you know what, what the hell. I'm gonna have my fun now and use all the fuel. It wont really matter much to me when I'm 55

We won't run out of fuel quite yet..... We still have somne fun times left and stuff, but in the future we'll be able to turn water into gas.... WE WILL LEARN HOW TO MAKE OUR OWN OIL AND I WILL BE THE FIRST......

40 years ha! You aparently havent seen the number of gigantic suv's every soccer mom drives around here in the US. Ill give it 3 weeks until we run out.

40 years ha! You aparently havent seen the number of gigantic suv's every soccer mom drives around here in the US. Ill give it 3 weeks until we run out.



Lol.

That number is actually up from last I heard, it was 20 years left about two years ago.

40 years ha! You aparently havent seen the number of gigantic suv's every soccer mom drives around here in the US. Ill give it 3 weeks until we run out.

:lol2:

WE WILL LEARN HOW TO MAKE OUR OWN OIL

You already can. Go to an auto parts store and look at the oil in there. Synthetic oil has been around for a while but it's fairly expensive if we were to make gas out of it for the world. At the moment it's much cheaper to use crude oil than sythetic.

Also, back in the '70s they were trying to get corn oil to replace normal oil. It never took but it might in the near future.

antartica has oil if we were really running out they would go there

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that synthetic oil starts as normal crude oil.

I learned a little about industrial chemistry in year 12 (2003) we touched on this. I heard on the T.V earlyer in the year we had 40 years left, a friend of mine said it's a load of shit, we have a good thousand let in the worlds natural resources.

the other concern with regards to oil prices matching recovering costs is that it will affect who can or can't use the fuels.
the worst case scenarios is that it will really divide social classes into those who can afford fuel and those who can't.
don't forget that everthing requires fuel somewhere in its processing life.
the pc you are sitting at, made of plastic and metal and silicon and whatever; every single component has energy spent on it and that's even before it was all put together into a pc.
then there's the fuel/energy spent in the transportation of it to where ever you bought it.
then there's the energy spent on the manufacturing process of the the truck that delivered it.
even that apple sitting your fruit tray has fossil fuel invested in it.

this same exact thing happened about 10-20 years ago, i forget, but they said we would be out of oil by now, and well, we're not. i just dont know what to really believe, plus, sidewayz anartica does have oil, but everyone has sort of an agreement to not go there for it because noone owns it or something like that really i dont know what to believe tho, could be 40 years, could be thousands.

yea i know about the agreement. i was just saying if worse came to worse and they really needed oil they we would agree to goto antartica.

We should just go find oil in Antartica and stuff like that.. Then We will be fine with this oil demand and shit like that... I think someday we will be back like the 1800's with the horse drawn Caraige(Can't Spell)

We should just go find oil in Antartica and stuff like that.. Then We will be fine with this oil demand and shit like that... I think someday we will be back like the 1800's with the horse drawn Caraige(Can't Spell)
You Sir, are going to make a fine economist. Bravo. I take my hat off to you. Bloody marvellous, i must say.

I say we get a group of people and go claim Antartica as our own country. Then drill out the oil and make millions. After that, we take over the world!

Alright. Can I be the President of our Plans??? LOL

I say we get a group of people and go claim Antartica as our own country. Then drill out the oil and make millions. After that, we take over the world!

hello mr bush...

There's only one problem with drilling in Antarctica. THE WHOLE FUCKING CONTINENT IS FROZEN.

There's only one problem with drilling in Antarctica. THE WHOLE FUCKING CONTINENT IS FROZEN.

Agreed, so then we must make plans to make a giant hairdryer and then start going for the oil, also do you know we have a crapload of oil left in Alaska? Enough for us to use for our lifetime? But nooo, we cant dig it up because of GAY F-ING ENVIORNMENTALIST PEOPLE! (is that word?)

THats what I told my mom....I have to get my driver's license before gas prices rise too high....then she says there's no point in driving. Fucking parents....they won't let me have fun while I can.....Are they even going to let me drive when I'm 20?

There's only one problem with drilling in Antarctica. THE WHOLE FUCKING CONTINENT IS FROZEN.

hows that a problem? You can drill through ice easily

hows that a problem? You can drill through ice easily


Yeah but they were gonna drill it out like men, with knives and spoons....

Yeah but they were gonna drill it out like men, with knives and spoons....

FYI: the ice on antartica is more than a mile deep. How long will it take with knives and spoons?

FYI: the ice on antartica is more than a mile deep. How long will it take with knives and spoons?


To figure that we need to factor in two things, food and porn. If there's enough of both, man can do amazing things....

Touched upon by a text book im reading. Very brief summary:

‘Doomsday predictions’ about the rate of depletion of natural resources have so far proved unfounded. Why?

1. Technological improvements have enabled more efficient exploitation and use of natural resources as well as more accurate predictions of reserves of natural resources
2. The market mechanism causes the price of a resource to increase with growing scarcity. This causes
Users to reduce consumption of the resources
Sellers of the resource to improve the exploration & production process
Users & suppliers to identify / develop substitute products

Touched upon by a text book im reading. Very brief summary:

‘Doomsday predictions’ about the rate of depletion of natural resources have so far proved unfounded. Why?

1. Technological improvements have enabled more efficient exploitation and use of natural resources as well as more accurate predictions of reserves of natural resources
2. The market mechanism causes the price of a resource to increase with growing scarcity. This causes
Users to reduce consumption of the resources
Sellers of the resource to improve the exploration & production process
Users & suppliers to identify / develop substitute products




So you're saying there wont be doomsday riots because of the depletion of economic resources such as oil????




Damnit!! Where's the fun in that!!

Sorry to burst your bubble. The text book never lies. It predicts everything with 100% certainty. In fact, it paints such a rosy picture of oil reserves i might just go out and buy a Hummer.

This thread is making me laugh more than it is making me think!!

Food and porn, haha, story of my life.

How will we heat our homes, farmers get the crops in, food get to the stores etc.

We can heat our homes with fire, farmers can electronically transport their crops in over the internet (in the future) and the food gets to the store through inter-stella gelatic particle transportation. Yes...

Nuclear power everything! Lets make nuclear powered cars, lawnmowers, remote controlled cars. It will work!

Dude I got the new magnaflow cat back radiation vent, and bolted on like 500hp!

all i have to say is which is easier and more reasonable? converting the current engine designs to run on alcohol which can be produced by crops we grow, or change to a completely different power source for cars?

Converting is alot easier, basicly because going on a different road is because you gotta start all over again which is gunna be harder.

in general, it is harder to convert something than it is to design something from scratch.

when you have an existing piece of kit that is designed for a specific type of stress, you can't usually 'convert' it for use for other applications without doing a lot of work.

when people say they are working on converting an engine for a different type of fuel, what they really mean is that they are using the different ful as a basis for which to design an engine around
(different fuel - same technology)

if you work purely from the technology point of view
i.e new design you are more free to do soemthing that works without having to reference the old methods.

the best example is how toyota are thinking of working their hybrid supercar.

the idea is that the engine isn't actually conected to the wheels and instead the engine is just the power source that feeds the motors/drives that are connected to the wheels at each corner.
the smart ones will figure out that this means that usual engine/weight distribution problems are no longer present as you can position the engine where you want (within reason of course)

Who gives a fuck when it is? Find a solution to the problem because it is inevitable, and if we don't find a solution, our future generations will suffer AND have to solve it for themselves.

Who gives a fuck when it is? Find a solution to the problem because it is inevitable, and if we don't find a solution, our future generations will suffer AND have to solve it for themselves.


Hehe, in that case i say we make the future generations struggle while we have all the fun now...screw them, they dont even exist yet

^ I like that idea :D

The future world leaders have spoken.

:wink: :smooch:

There's a few guys, including me, on this board that live on probably the biggest untapped oil field in the world, Texas. Believe me, we're not running out any time soon.

Most of the oil that people in America buys is imported.

Look underneath me here in TX, oil derecks around my second house! Stole the words outta my mouth, Alaska is our next prospect (they say we're not doing it b/c of the risk of spills and the great nature up there, HA politics), we're takin it from everywhere else while we can, who knows where else it will turn up,

But yes we're also working on hybrids and electric cars, fuel cells are becoming much more advanced,

"motors/drives that are connected to the wheels at each corner"

But if one goes out, wont you start doing circles?

And if you're familiar with the work they did on the last Columbia mission in space, NASA is developing the leanest fuel mixtures ever,

:rolleyes: And also I think US politicians are selfish enough to bleed the world dry then dictate the price of their reminaing supply.

:rolleyes: And also I think US politicians are selfish enough to bleed the world dry then dictate the price of their reminaing supply.
Somebody had to bleed the world dry. It's only natural that it'd be the richest/most powerful country in the world, that is the way the world tends to work.

10/90 rule. I should just be happy I'm in that 10, but not at the expense of everyone else on earth.

We're paying for it now,
We'll get our money back later,

I'm not a politician, but maybe they're doing the right thing, in the best interest of their people,

Maybe there is not as much oil in TX and Alaska as I assume, perhaps not enough for a month/year on the worlds market, We can only speculate,

All I know is that we're not tapping our resources to their full potential right now,

We're paying for it now,
We'll get our money back later,

I'm not a politician, but maybe they're doing the right thing, in the best interest of their people,

Maybe there is not as much oil in TX and Alaska as I assume, perhaps not enough for a month/year on the worlds market, We can only speculate,

All I know is that we're not tapping our resources to their full potential right now,

Well its obvious that we arent tapping our resources full potential, but there's still some oil in Texas and a CRAPLOAD in Alaska just like my History teacher said, enough oil to last us in our lifetime.

Who gives a fark about our lifetime?

Who gives a fark about our lifetime?

I dont know, but I care about there being enough fuel for me to put in my car so I can do donuts.

I dont know, but I care about there being enough fuel for me to put in my car so I can do donuts.


exactly...

I've tried doing them on my bike....doesn't work as well..

exactly...

I've tried doing them on my bike....doesn't work as well..

Bet it'd work if you had someone hold your bike down while you try to pedal your ass off.