SR20VET available?

I read in SCC a few months ago about the 260 HP SR20VET engine found in some new Japanese SUV's. When are people going to start importing these engines to the USA?

I called about every known Japanese engine importer a few months back.. literally went down a list of about 40 places in the US, asking them about an SR20VE not VET


They all had 1 of 3 responses...

1) Never heard of it (most popular answer)

2) That engine is too new and therefore too hard to come across right now

3) We've yet to find one but have a list for people waiting for one, would you like to be #1,000,000 on our list??


:(


I've spoken to the owner of that NX2000 that has the VET, he had no luck with engine importers either. He aquired the engine through a friend who works at JUN in Japan and found him a used SR20VE from a Primera Camino CVT.

He added the turbo on himself. The SR20VET would be even harder to come by than the SR20VE. Also, the VE is 190HP

*sigh*

hehe.. guess we'll just have to wait it out and hope that some Japanese Primera owners will total their cars... (just kidding, lol!!) :D

yeah, i knew it would be impossible to find a sr20vet out there. i just wanted to pose the question in case anyone had some japanese tuner/auto body connections.

the nx200 is the only sr20ve engine in america to my knowledge. i guess i'll have to wait a year to buy another p10 and refurbish it. maybe by then some poor suv sr20vet owner has mashed their vehicle. it's nice to dream.

if you go to se-r.net...the sr20ve is for sale in classified.

Other than having a very unique vehicle, why does anyone particularly want an SR20VET? I can understand someone wanting to build a SR20VE and have nice, strong, linear, naturally aspirated power. I would imagine that you could get somewhere close to 200 - 220 streetable *wheel* hp with a built SR20VE vs. 175 wheel hp with a built SR20DE.

But, the cost involved in acquiring an SR20VET and building that engine doesn't make any sense when you can build SR20DETs to well over 400 streetable wheel hp. I doubt a built VET motor would provide smoother power delivery than a built DET.

If you have the cash to procure a SR20VET, you have enough to build a bulletproof DET with significantly more power or just turbocharge your DE with an FMAX kit.

first of all....it's IMPOSSIBLE to get a SR20VET that rates 276hp from Japan because it's only available on a small SUV in japan and it just came out for the year 2000.
the guy in SCC got the VE motor and turboed it...that's very different than a VET motor...just like there is differences between a DE and a DET motor...lower compression because of the pistons, headgasket..also fuel injectors are different and most importantly, the ecu mappings are completely different.
VE is a good motor...190hp @7k rpm, redline is at 8k, while a bit low on the torque ratings..at 147ft lb..only up 10 vs. the DE. It'll be unique, espeically to us P11 owners cuz that's what the P11 in Japan had equipped..in fact, we're the only cars in Japan that's equipped with the VE motor. i happen to be able to get my hands on one for around $2500 shipped, the VE motor that is. that comes complete with ECU/harness. some guy called my shop and told me that he has 2 in stock...as of last week.
If you do decide to get the VE and wants to turbo it...you would need to get a manifold off a DET motor or you can get those Hotshot/FMAX kits which includes the manifold...BUT you better do something about your compression and definietly get the ECU remapped by guys like JWT...although you'll be looking at arond 800 or so just for that kinda remap.
all out power, DET is the way to go...i dont even like those bolt on turbo kits...but if raw power isnt your thing and you wnat to be as unique as possible, VE in a P11....hmm.....still sounds good in my mind!

Originally posted by G22DET
all out power, DET is the way to go...i dont even like those bolt on turbo kits...

Actually, if you're going to build a stupid fast turbo engine, you may as well start with a DE. The only thing the DET has that is not readily available in the US are the sodium filled valves. For less money than the valves you can get Swain Tech coatings on the valve faces and keep them cooler anyway.

Piston coolers are available from JWT. Once you take a DET over about 250-260 hp, you have to replace so many things the DE makes as much or more sense as a starting point. Install the piston coolers and low compression pistons, get the F-Max kit and go to town. The overall cost will be less starting with the DE if you are going to fully build it.


BTW, I agree with Glen about the VET..... IMHO a big waste of money if results are what you're after. If you're after exclusivity, you have to pay a huge premium for that. BTW, I feel the same way about the GTi-R engine. It's more stout, but unless you're building a 500+ hp engine, the BB DET is just as good. The GTi-R engine is almost double the price of a BB DET and for the extra money that the GTi-R costs, I can make a faster BB DET.

OK, I'm rambling again. :jump:

Originally posted by G22DET
all out power, DET is the way to go...i dont even like those bolt on turbo kits...

Shoot, in my ramblings, I forgot to say something....

I think what you are trying to say is that you'd rather have an engine built for a turbo internally, rather than just slap a turbo kit on a engine designed for NA.

In that I agree with you. :)

I know there are a lot of high powered turbo DEs out there, but that isn't the way I'd go.

it's true that once you reach close to 300HP, if you want more, you gotta change the pistons in the DET...and if building a 500HP G20 is your goal...DE or DET will get the job done....but using the power will be a bigger problem. 250HP is good enough for me and good for track fun.

I dont think the VE is a waste of money...it depends on what you view as "results"...pure number wise, VE won't make as much power as the DET with the same amoutn of money but if you view appreciation for a unique motor as a result...u'll be glad to see a VE in the engine bay.
I am still debating on whether to get VE or just put in my DET...
VE's installation will be waaay cheaper thant he DET...

BTW Geoff....i emailed you something...hope to hear from you soon. thanks
:)

Originally posted by G22DET
it's true that once you reach close to 300HP, if you want more, you gotta change the pistons in the DET...

Actually, you have to replace the MAF, injectors, and turbo as well. BTW, this happens before 300 hp. The MAF maxes out around 250-260 as do the 370cc injectors.

This is why I tell people to consider building a DE if you are doing a major rebuild. In the end it can actually end up cheaper.

Originally posted by G22DET
and if building a 500HP G20 is your goal...DE or DET will get the job done....but using the power will be a bigger problem. 250HP is good enough for me and good for track fun.

I couldn't agree more on both points. There is a real lust for hp on the SE-R list, but some of the guys have been disappointed because all that power isn't useable. One person in particular built a major stupid fast turbo B14, but couldn't put the power down. He lived in fear of breaking the gearbox. It just wasn't as much fun to drive all the time.

People have asked me what I plan to do to my DET since I built an all out NA engine for my SE-R (same engine as Mike Kojima's SCC Project SE-R engine). They are surprised when I tell them I'm keeping nearly stock. I want proven, low hassle power. I also think 250 hp is plenty fun for the chassis. It's about all the chassis can competently deal with IMHO.

Originally posted by G22DET
I dont think the VE is a waste of money...it depends on what you view as "results"...pure number wise, VE won't make as much power as the DET with the same amoutn of money but if you view appreciation for a unique motor as a result...u'll be glad to see a VE in the engine bay.

That's pretty much what I said I think. I agree with you. If your goal is dyno results, the DET is the winner. If you have other goals, only you can decide. I think a VE would be really cool.

Originally posted by G22DET
I am still debating on whether to get VE or just put in my DET...
VE's installation will be waaay cheaper thant he DET...

Wow! :eek: Really?

labor on the VE that i can get my hands on is easy because it comes with the ecu/harness and it's actually off a 1998 JDM P11 Primera....basically take DE out and put VE in...but the intercooler looks so cool and the phhhhhshiiiiiiii sound of the BOV is even cooler!! hahaha...:D

hmm.. you could always get the VE and get this...

http://www.takakaira.com/php/template.php3?id=163&cat=3


HAHAHAHAHHA!!! :o

ROFLMAO.....I wondered how long it would take for someone to simulate a turbo sound. Too funny...just like those simulated dog sounds when you knock on a door.

some people have mentioned that 250 HP (at the wheels, right?) is about the right usable HP for the gearbox and the chasis.

from what i've gleaned off the ser-list the people who went 400-500 HP engines really didn't equally invest as much in their gearbox to accomodate a hyper-turboed engine.

and what would a 250-300 WHP do in the 60 and the quarter?

as for the chasis would an internal cage such as al abadilla's? help in this department?

Originally posted by primera_gte
from what i've gleaned off the ser-list the people who went 400-500 HP engines really didn't equally invest as much in their gearbox to accomodate a hyper-turboed engine

That is changing.

Mike Kojima is working getting a Quaiffe gearset made for the SR20 gearbox (not to be confused with the Quaiffe limited slip diff).

Mmm... Quaiffe!!!! :licker:


They're the super-elite european racing tranny guys right?

Any idea how much the tranny will cost?


I'd love to get one after getting the DET, as the main thing I'm scared of is the tranny getting abused!

Originally posted by b-b00gie
Mmm... Quaiffe!!!! :licker:


They're the super-elite european racing tranny guys right?

Any idea how much the tranny will cost?


I'd love to get one after getting the DET, as the main thing I'm scared of is the tranny getting abused!

IIRC, the initial group deal is in the neighborhood of $3,000.

Gearing is a bit taller than stock since it's mostly the turbo guys who really need it.

After the initial group deal, the price will be higher I believe.

Ouch...

I could see $2000-2500, but over 3000 thats just gonna take another couple minutes to convince me!


I'll keep it in mind after I have a DET.

The Nissan X-Trail comes stock with the SR20VET in Canada. The 240sx drivetrain can handle 400hp without mods. See: http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0205scc_silvia/

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I bought myself a 94 G20 5 speed it has a sr20ve in it....but i want to turbo it how much horsepower would i get out of it....