whats better?

hey i was just wondering what is better on a 3.8 camaro? a supercharger or a turbo or neither? also what should you have done to the engine before installing either of them?

I think if you wanted to you could run either. I am not certain on the installation and plumbing needed to run them however. As far as doing engine work before installing them you don't have to but if you don't you can only run a small amount of boost otherwise you'll raise the compression ratio too much and get detonation. I'm not sure on the amount that you would be limited to but I know you'd have to run less boost than if you did some work to the engine.

each has its pros and cons... but yeah don't plan on runing too much boost on stock internals

Both will create virtually the same wear on an engine. The turbo will cost slightly less to get than the supercharger and the turbo will give some more hp.

doe turbos do much harm to the engine? would it be worth it or is it a bad idea? and how much do you estimate the cost when its done? thanks

cost $2500-4000.
turbo would be more difficult to install that supercharger.

check out procharger.com

if you want more than 40-60% power gain you need to modify internal engine parts, compression, crank, pistons, rods, etc.

Well if Hypsi was on he would say go with the turbo and then give a thoughtful lecture on what to do so, I would say just wait until he gets on and just follow what he says to do to the engine to the letter.

it needs some thik really thik gaskets to lower the compression ratio, $8oo bucks, healphy engine, some custom plumbing and manifolds, computer, blow off valve two turbos, head work to avoid detonation, intercooler, bigger injectors, fuel pump, and some guy to make it work. U might get around 500-600 hp. I have seen 400 hp civics-and thats a 4

also a laptop too

dang sounds sweet.... i think i wana try it when i get my 3.8 camaro.....hopefully that will be soon. im gona go get another job and my freinds dad is a mechanic and hes gonna hel get the word out that im selling my 2.8 camaro. but if anyone has any more info on putting turbos or superchargers in lemme know, thanks

Are you selling the 2.8 engine or the whole Camaro? Because hell if you're thinking about putting turbo with a 3.8, i'd put it in the third gen because to ME it seems like it has more hood space than the 4th gens. And since you're chaning out alot of stuff to make the engine turbo compatable id be better to just get the 3.8 and do all the stuff, and once again I say wait for Hypsi.

whole camaro. well if i had the cash to do that i would but my freinds dad is trying to get me 3000 for my car which would be extremely sweet cause i got it for 1000 and i only put like 800 into it. so if he does sel it for that much then i will have like 4300 to get a new car and im getting another job so i will have some money coming in and i will hopefully be getting enough money for a turbo or supercharger.... or is there a better way to get lots of power that costs less.

Alright to be honest, a turbo is really the best way to get a nice amount of power, but I really would say to wait for the money to be saved up because if you're working on it while you're using your money you are currently getting through your job, you wont finish the turbo mod. BUT I still recommend staying with the 3rd gen because 3rd gens are cool man. :)

I thought that turbos were more expensive because theres more plumbing to do when installing them??

Yes turbos cost more than some engines, but not all, like a new LS1 from a dealer.

yeah i have always wanted a 3rd gen and i got one now but its a 2.8 and its not all to fast but i dont wanna really get a v8 cause im 16 and insurance will rape me and i cant afford that. so i would like to get a 3.8 cause they are fast and yeah.....umm but i wish i could keep a 3rd gen. but hey as long as i have camaros illl be happy. but hypsi if your out there id like to hear what you have to say too.

Well since you're saying that just keep the damn 3rd gen, since its better looking in my opinion.

if you step up to a 3.8 I do not think you will be diappointed. If you are talking about transplanitng one I will search my recources and let you know whats involved

yeah i agree, i think the third gens look way freaking sweet. but i dont really have the money to put a 3.8 in mine. but maybe i can find a srd gen in good condition with no motor for cheap and buy a 3.8 and stick it in. but my bodys not the greatest. (how do you get a pic from the my pictures folder to be in my sig????)

Well if you even FIND a 3.8 Camaro thats in good condition it'll cost a crapload more to buy that instead of just changing the engine out if you do it yourself, believe me.

Turbo.

rally sport did you buy the monte carlo? if si is it nice? but yeah back on topic will a 3.8 really be much faster n my 88? or does it not weigh much more then 96 to 02?

turbos are cheap-the deal is about wellding of the pressure pipes, head work, and manifolds, the engine might have to be taken out of the car and takes lots of talent for turbos in small compartments.ALso u will run in so many things such as your clutch which will crap out, (the ones that dont are $600 and up). The engine wont last very long too unless u specifialy build it for this purpose-too much detonation. In this case the Japanese have made a better progress than us. but $6000 will fix you up and you can scare crap out of your friends.

By the way I know a guy here in Canada who does this stuff
www.turbotech.ca

Turbochargers are soooo much better than superchrgers. Superchargers are for lazy people that can't weild, plumb or tune :icon16:

accually the main reason pepole went with superchargers is the instant boost you get. What people don't understand it that boost on a supercharger is RPM related. A turbocharger is engine load related. A turbocharger can be at full boost at 2,800 RPM part throttle where as a supercharger is just waking up.

Turbochargers however contrary to popular belief, are not free HP. The backpressure they create is a 1:2 raito usually. For ever PSI of boost you are running, you can expect about 1.5 two 2 PSI of exhaust back pressure before the turbo. Now that is all affected by turbine housing size, wheel design, blah blah blah.

My personal feeling is that now adays turbocharging technoloogy has put the turbocharger soooo far ahead of the supercharger, it's not even funny.

I have a dual ball bearing turbo and I swear there is not difference in spool up time between that turbocharger and any supercharger out there. It's a bit more money but, sooooo worth it.

I am in class so I have to get going. Any more questions, just post them.

ill tell u the truth and nothing but the truth.... with a turbo on a 3.8 (camaro) u will be paying way to much for the the amount of gain u will get. you will only be able run low psi without breaking shit and it wont give u much boost at all for the dollar. if u put in the money to build the engine to be a turbo car youll be paying out the ass but im sure u would get a nice ride, but it will cost u alot. and depending on what year 3.8 u have your gonna run into tuneing problems. if u cant tune it all u have is a big expense with nothing to show 4. a guy dynoed his turbo ta a few weeks ago and it was a v6, i think running at 8 or so psi and he layed down around 200 hp or about 215, he was pissed, the guy thought he would get 300 out of it, it looked nice and im sure it cost him a buttload but he never had it tuned so without being able to build it up, and tune it its a wast of money, u would do much better on the bottle anyways with a 3.8 they love that stuff!

thanks alot..ill scrap that idea. but what about the 3.8 that comes supercharged? my freind has a pontiac fiero and he has a 2.8 in it. its the same as mine and he just bought a supercharged 3.8 to swap into it and its gonna haul so much a$$ its awesome. he bought the engine for 1100. but its set up for front wheel drive and sinc the fiero has the engine in the back its rear wheel drive and he said i would have to get some sort of adapter to use in with my car. anyone ever hear bout switching to a supercharged 3.8? or how bout getting a huge cowl hood for a 3.8 maro and supercharging it?

ill tell u the truth and nothing but the truth.... with a turbo on a 3.8 (camaro) u will be paying way to much for the the amount of gain u will get. you will only be able run low psi without breaking shit and it wont give u much boost at all for the dollar. if u put in the money to build the engine to be a turbo car youll be paying out the ass but im sure u would get a nice ride, but it will cost u alot. and depending on what year 3.8 u have your gonna run into tuneing problems. if u cant tune it all u have is a big expense with nothing to show 4. a guy dynoed his turbo ta a few weeks ago and it was a v6, i think running at 8 or so psi and he layed down around 200 hp or about 215, he was pissed, the guy thought he would get 300 out of it, it looked nice and im sure it cost him a buttload but he never had it tuned so without being able to build it up, and tune it its a wast of money, u would do much better on the bottle anyways with a 3.8 they love that stuff!


he was way out of tune if all he put down was 215. at 8 PSI.... If you have 8 PSI on that high of a compression raito and you only pick up 15 HP. your an idoit.

to tune a turbo car is not hard. all you do is keep your AF raitos at safe levels and watch your knock retard.

as long as you did not deatonate you would be fine on stock internals. Compression is a little high but workable. with alky injection and a good intercooler, I would not be afraid to go up to 12 PSI with good fuel. All you need to tune it is a scanmaster and a translator plus. that is what I use and I love it.


Besides, bottles are for babies..... Real men get blown. :evillol:

you all keep talking about detonation.....whats that???

rally sport did you buy the monte carlo? if si is it nice? but yeah back on topic will a 3.8 really be much faster n my 88? or does it not weigh much more then 96 to 02?
Yes I did get a Monte Carlo, and it runs VERY well, I love it, but it wont give you the rush a Camaro does but it's still cool. Anyways Im not saying a 3.8 will be different in a 3rd gen than a 4th but from what IVE seen, to ME it seems like 3rd gens have more space than 4th gens, sorry if im mistaken by numbers and all but really, it seems like there's just more space.

yeah i have soooo much room in my engine compartment its nuts! speaking of that a 2.8 couldnt handle a turbo could it? cause it would prob be easy cause i have a buttload of room to pipe. would it be worth it? what about supercharger? thanks also whats detonation

FI on a V6

http://www.camarov6.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=4

http://www.fullthrottlev6.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=48

so does anyone know about swapping a 2.8 for a supercharged 3.8 like lots of the fiero people do? its a 3.8 that comes with a supercharger...

Nah, i'd still go with the turbo.

but id be way cheaper to just buy the supercharged 3.8. my freind jus bought one for his fiero for 1100. and thats like how much cash i have right now but i just got a job as a bus boy so i think ill just wait til i have like 2 or 3 thousand and then really start trying to sel my car. then take all that money and buy a 3rd gen with a 350. and take my money thats left over and freakng......... wait would a turbo on a 350 be a good idea???

twin turbos on a 350 would be a good idea

would it be expensive? and would it be easy? how much power????

ok well i guess this thread is done. thanks for all the input. i appreciate it. now i gotta start looking for a new camaro for when i sell mine.

It isnt done...till some mod comes and closes it down. Btw TT would be defastating with a 350, but getting a supercharged 3.8 sounds hella cheaper, well its up to you and man, I would defenitly keep your car, it looks badass.

thanks i like it. that picture actually does my car too much justice. i had just wet sanded the whole thing and waxed it cause a stupid previous owner had put some wax in some places and just totally left it there to dry and bake on and it wouldnt come off. pluis the wetsanding made the whole car look better but it had little swirls in some places so i waxed it and it looked better. and then i took a pic at my freinds house. oh and i was just saying this thread is over cause no one was posting and i wanted to thank everybody for their input. but hey keep on posting. i will look into the 3.8 supercharged motor fitting in my car. and i guess i will post when ever i find some stuff out. but for now im tired and just got back from work so im gona go to bed.