Speaker's sound????

I have two audiobahn 6x9's in a box in my pickup and i was messing around with the volume instide the box. I was wondering what a speaker's bass sounds like when there isn't enough space for them inside the box. Whats happeneing to me is that the speaker cone sounds like its rattling almost sounds like a car driving over washboard on a gravel road.

if there isn't enough airspace they won't have a good low end and they'll have a peaky response. If you hear mechanical rattling, scratching, anything like than then there's a good chance the speaker is blown.

no its not blowen its the sound where it sounds like its distoring becasue it doesn't have enough power.

You mean it sounds like the amp is clipping? Well you'll only get that sound if the amp is actually clipping. If you're getting a rattling type sound at normal volume then the speaker is probably blown, but you can check the box for leaks because sometimes a leak can sound like that as well.

I don't really know that much about car audio. What does clipping mean i can't say i've heard that befor. I can garentee that its not a mechanical sound. The spearkers are in great condition and in no ways blown. Its more of a sound distortion i've had it happen befor and fixxed it by adding more power. I was just wondering if ther box size also had any thing to do with the sound?

Here ya go:

Clipping:
1. The distortion that occurs when a power amplifier is overdriven. This can be seen visually on an oscilloscope, when the peaks of a waveform are flattened, or "clipped of," at the signal's ceiling.
2. In audio equipment, severe distortion caused by a signal whose peak level exceeds the capabilities of the device processing the signal. Results in the flattening of the signal peaks as if they had been "clipped" off.

Are these speakers being powered off HU power or with and amplifier?

NG

If you are clipping those audiobahn 6X9's EXPECT the VCs to start unraveling, and rubbing on the motor. Trust me, that WILL happen.

If you are clipping those audiobahn 6X9's EXPECT the VCs to start unraveling, and rubbing on the motor. Trust me, that WILL happen.

It sure will, then you can use them are rear deck decorations ;)...until they fly out the window...

NG

How long will it take for clipping to wreck a speaker? Are they fairley fragile or can they stand up to this for a long time? Is it a matter of minutes or will it take a couple of hours of listening time?


This is a little off subject. What is the difference between coaxil, triaxil, and component speakers?

depends on the amp, the music, the speakers, and how bad the clipping is

Well i'm underpowering the speakers by mabe 5 watts the amp output its 180 perchannel and the speakers rms is 180 i dont' have the amp turned all the way up.
Just give me a ballpark guess i'm just wondering how bad clipping is for a speaker is at a small level.

Ok, first of all, audiopawns are totally overrated. If it says 180 watts rms, count on like 75, tops. If your amp is audiopawn too, then you probably won't have a problem because it's overrated too, but it sounds like it's another brand. Bottom line: get new speakers.

On that note: The difference between coaxial (includes two-way/biaxial, 3-way/triaxial and 4-way) speakers and components is fairly obvious. Components have the low frequency and high frequency speakers seperate, with a network of filters to divide up the signal to each one (so the tweeters don't try to play a 100 hz tone, which would kill it, or the woofers don't try to do really high frequency stuff, which sounds nasty). A coaxial speaker has the low and high freq speakers together, usually with the high frequency tweeter(s) mounted on the center pole. You can simply plug the output into it, so it's simpler. I would recommend getting a 6.5" speaker (either coaxial or components) rather than a 6x9, because round speakers sound better than oval ones.

I'm not gonna suggest brands, because I don't know too much about them. My pioneer rearfills sound ok, but what do I know? I've never much else. :p

ok well you may think that audiobahn is overrated but after purchasing them and using them they sound better then a lot of the other "Crap" around here. The reason i say crap is because i don't have much money to spend of high quality speakers so i settle with what i can afford. Right now thats audiobahn and they perform better then the pioneer's that i have. I have an alpine amp powering them so i know they're taking 180 watts rms and they handle it quite well. If i wanted somone to insult me i coul dhave walked to a street corner and had them do it, but i came here for help.

Ive got audiobahn 6x9's and they sound pretty hot, there taking ~400W max, 200 Average and they still sound good.

Ok, that was a little on the negative side about the audiobahns. Sorry about that. :redface: I was feeling a bit like this guy at the time, for some reason: :comprage1

Did I answer your other questions though?

yeah kinda
So ther is no real difference in the making of the speaker its just the difference in what sound is pu tto the speaker? I was thinking that the component's had a different type of voice coil that made them better somehow.
Yeah i had a little comp rage too, i'm just sick of everyone telling me that my stuff is shit so yeah.

Well, components are generally better quality. The main thing with components is creating a good sound stage. Being able to put the tweets where ever lets you experiment with how the sound reaches your ears. This is usually much more important for the front speakers.

Feel free to add your insight, other more experienced peeps, cuz I'm still a noob with this sort of thing.

The way everyone talks about components it makes them sound like their built some amazing way but if its just the fact that they have removable mountable tweeters there's not much special to them besides the crossovers. I have a that pair of 6x9's that have crossovers not as good i supose and romovable tweeters and they are damn good sounding, great lows and awesome punches. I guess what ever saves me money.

I wish some other people on here would help me out a little bit. I don't know everything about how speakers are made, I just know that components generally perform better than coaxials with an amp.

I hear ya i'm a complete noob to some of this stuff although you give me some tools and tell me to wire soemthing up i'm shure i can do it just as good as anyone elese

well, at their heart coaxs and components aren't that much different like you're seeing. With components you have more freedom with the tweeter placement, and components also have a MUCH better crossover (coaxs typically have a 1st order highpass on the tweet and nothing on the mid, yuck). Components are obviously inherently better that coaxs because of the freedom with placement and the better crossovers, but the speakers themselves are basically the same. BUT, because all else being equal, components will sound better by nature of their design, companies focus all of their time and money on improving and perfecting their component sets, the coaxs are basically thrown together on the side to appease the masses. The component sets will be designed better, have higher quality parts, have no hole in the midbass taking away cone area, have more freedom with tweeter placement, and actually have a crossover, not a crappy cap in series with the tweet.

Thank you that was well put i see the difference now.

Sounds like overpowering to me.

Ok, I havn't read all the replies, and I don't intend to.

Audiobahn full range speakers are rated as pairs, so the pair of 6X9's you have is rated at 90 RMS EACH.

Diceman, Audiobahn amps, while not the best, are not as bad as you make them out to be. The first amp I ever bought, which I still run my front speakers with is and A6601t, it does rated power easily, doesn't get hot, and with a little flat black paint, wouldn't look too bad... the only problem I've ever had with it is it doesn't like to turn on when my trunk is extremely humid, and electronics don't like moisture so that's acceptable. It always turns on, and works properly.

Audiobahn amps are ok... audiobahn speakers, from my personal experience, suck sweaty balls.

Well if you have run into speakers rated as a pair i don't know where u saw that. I know that i don't have the highest quality stuff in my pickup but what i have suits me. I have recently got it tuned to where i relaly like it. I am running a powerakoustic amp the ov2-820 gothic series. Its a good amp from what i've seen of it the only down side is that it takes a while to turn on, might be because of size idk. But it puts 180 per channel at 4 ohms, and i have the gain literly all the way up and the speakrs arn't being overpowered their nice and loud and sound good. The rep that everyone give audiobahn on the net these speakers shure suprise a lot of people around here. I don't know much about this stuff and i know what people say, but i also know what i'm hearing, and its not bad.
Thank you for your input, who knows mabe audiobahn is getting better.

no, they are not.
here is where I saw it:
"Q: Are your power ratings for your speakers and components listed as per pair or per side?
A: Our ratings for speakers and component sets are rated in RMS per pair. This means each side can handle half the rated power. Our subs power ratings are listed as total for both voice coils."

Link: http://audiobahninc.com/frame2004.html

and i have the gain literly all the way up...

that's a good way to blow the amp and/or the speakers (if you haven't already)

http://www.resnet.trinity.edu/areynol1/gain.htm

whats the deal with the gain? what does it actually do? i assume it controls the about of power going to the speakers, if so how do you know where to set it? like on mine, i have to guess cuz its jsut dashes, there no numbers.

damn nvm, i got owned. ignor that last post.

Well i exagrated on the all the way up sry its about as high as the amp should go. Now about the speakers only taking a cirtin ammount of power idk abou thtat cause i'm pushing 180 and they take it fine no distortion no blows???:confused:

I will like to take back a lot of things that i have siad. I am a stubborn person and i was wrong here. The 90rms X 2 is correct and i had everything set up wrong. It only took the smell of my speakers burning up to realize this i went to the site on how to ajust the gain level. I found out that i was running things completely wrong. i jsut wish i would have knowen that it was 90 per speaker earlier. sr20 i'm sorry if i was an ass i just hope that you are nice enough to forget what i said.

well, at their heart coaxs and components aren't that much different like you're seeing. With components you have more freedom with the tweeter placement, and components also have a MUCH better crossover (coaxs typically have a 1st order highpass on the tweet and nothing on the mid, yuck). Components are obviously inherently better that coaxs because of the freedom with placement and the better crossovers, but the speakers themselves are basically the same. BUT, because all else being equal, components will sound better by nature of their design, companies focus all of their time and money on improving and perfecting their component sets, the coaxs are basically thrown together on the side to appease the masses. The component sets will be designed better, have higher quality parts, have no hole in the midbass taking away cone area, have more freedom with tweeter placement, and actually have a crossover, not a crappy cap in series with the tweet.


There are some COAX speakers out there that are just as good as high end componet sets. Like the PPI line I sell. You can get a nice 6x9 that comes with a passive crossover and a built in tweeter protection unit. Also, the tweets tilt and swival which is what really makes them work well.

We all have to learn somewhere, I had no idea what I was doing the first time I had a system, everything was set up horribly. Luckily I didn't damage anything, but the guy I sold it to blew the subs about 6 months later. Now 5 years later (yeah I know I'm young) I've finally started to learn. Building a few of your own amps really teaches you what everything is and exactly how everything works. Once you know that, figuring out how to set it correctly is a piece of cake, it's convincing others that they might have something set incorrectly that's tough. Normally people don't listen until half of the equipment in their car is blown, you caught on faster than most, and you didn't damage anything either (well, hopefully not) ;)

There are some COAX speakers out there that are just as good as high end componet sets. Like the PPI line I sell. You can get a nice 6x9 that comes with a passive crossover and a built in tweeter protection unit. Also, the tweets tilt and swival which is what really makes them work well.

there are exceptions to every rule

Wowzers...

Well i did damage i jsut hope the damage that i did was very minimal. I am soon gonna buy some new speakers to put in my pickup because of the extra power that i was avilable If there is any one out there that could give me so ideas i'll listen. I'm looking for something that runs about 80-100 rms per speaker, Just some suggestions. I'm also looking for the price ragne max of 75$. I know thats kinda limiting but there should be somethign good out there for that.

Thanks to all that will help.

Hye could any one tell me if the alpin spr-17ls components are any good. I want to buy them and was wondering if any one knew them.?

Ok, those alpines will probably sound great, but where are you getting them for 75 bucks?? I doubt there's much in that price range for that budget that's rated for more than 50 watts RMS. You could try emailing Don at Island Sound ([email protected]) for some prices on CDT comps... those are really nice for a lot less than those alpines. You might find a good coax pair as well within your price range.

Good luck!

PS. Delete the copies of this question you asked in the other thread... people may just be ignoring it because they're sick of seeing it.