V8 5.7 liter 300ZX

Hey all, Im back in Mexico. One of my best friends has a Civic EX 2001 and decided to build a car for the track and street. He bought a 300ZX TT, without the engine and transmission.

He just dumped an LS1 engine from a Camaro, 5.7 liter V8 305 horsepower, i dont know much about muscle car engines but thats what he said. He ran the car at the track and got a 13.4 in the quarter mile, which seems pretty good.

Im going tomorrow to his house, im going to drive it around for a while, it must be a beast, the bad thing for me is that it is an automatic. Ill post some pictures of the engine and the car in the upcoming days.

Peace.
MexSiR

gay....

blasphemy, he must be burnt!

i wanna see pictures but im with these guys...the VG30DETT has 300hp, we are tlaking a difference of 5 hp??? :eek7:

i wanna see pictures but im with these guys...the VG30DETT has 300hp, we are tlaking a difference of 5 hp??? :eek7:

Not only that but much heavier.

Well guys, the car did NOT have an engine or a transmission, here in Mexico it is really hard and expensive to buy a twin turbo 300zx engine. You can easily and cheaply buy an LS1, for a lot less than half the price, twin turbo nissan engines are very exotic compared to "Mass Produced" ls1 engines. Believe me, he wanted a twin turbo engine but it was just out of his budget. Ill bring pictures and car specs after i drive it, right now its 4 a.m and ive drank toooo much Coronas...peace.

gay....



Would you call my buddies 240z gay?

He's got a 400ci Small block Chevy w/ TH350 3 speed auto. Pushing around 450-485hp.


It ran into the 11s (I don't remember the exact number, think it was 11.5 but not positive) in the 1/4 mile on slicks and race gas along with open headers...



Gay? Yeah... sure is. :rolleyes:

Hola Edgar, Coma esta? Toma usted el aeroplano para ir a Mejico? Deseo mucho hablarle, pero no hablo espanol bien.
I use to live in Jalisco 2 hours east of you in Autlan. I now live in Baja Norte. It was just too hard traveling to the US every week racing so I moved closer to the border. I'll be retiring this year from racing and getting red of alot a Z's and Z parts. To bad your friend didn't get hold of me, cause I have a turbo engines out of the Z31 znd Z32 I don't use and never will. I was very suprised when you said your friend had a 300ZXTT. Was it imported? The Gringo's don't understand the problems Mexicans have with cars in Mexico. I don't think there's 10 300ZX in All of Mexico and I own over half of them. What year is your friends Z?

Would you call my buddies 240z gay?

He's got a 400ci Small block Chevy w/ TH350 3 speed auto. Pushing around 450-485hp.


It ran into the 11s (I don't remember the exact number, think it was 11.5 but not positive) in the 1/4 mile on slicks and race gas along with open headers...



Gay? Yeah... sure is. :rolleyes:

As far as sexual preference goes... that's between you guys. :wink:

As far as that whole domestic swap in a Nissan: YES! Very Gay in my opinion and not just mine... to each his own. But I would much rather give mad props to someone who uses an FJ, SR, RB, VH in our lil' S30-S130's!!!

pfft thts just a shame to the Z ....

As far as sexual preference goes... that's between you guys. :wink:

As far as that whole domestic swap in a Nissan: YES! Very Gay in my opinion and not just mine... to each his own. But I would much rather give mad props to someone who uses an FJ, SR, RB, VH in our lil' S30-S130's!!!

What everyone fails to realize is in some countrys like Mexico it's very hard and costly to import cars and parts. In Mexico first you'd have to pay import duty, then for every state you'd have to pay to transport your car parts thru it, and by the time you got it to Mexico city the cost would be as much as the car just for a engine.
I was thinking of a Ford DOHC V8 or Northstar engine before I went to the VH45DE. The main reason I went VH is class rules require the engine be of the same mfg. as the body, and hooking up the transmission. Now I'm glad I went that way.
As for his 300ZX with a LS1 only having 5 HP more than a VG30DETT, golly gee, thats with a N/A engine. Bring it up to TT specs and guess what? Smoke time. The only problem I see is it will lose some of it's handling ability with the added weight in the front, but in Mexico 99% of the roads are straight, so I don't see any problems. And being the 300ZX is a little on the heavy side the added torque of the LS1 would be a major plus.

As for his 300ZX with a LS1 only having 5 HP more than a VG30DETT, golly gee, thats with a N/A engine. Bring it up to TT specs and guess what? Smoke time. The only problem I see is it will lose some of it's handling ability with the added weight in the front, but in Mexico 99% of the roads are straight, so I don't see any problems. And being the 300ZX is a little on the heavy side the added torque of the LS1 would be a major plus.

you fail to talk about the money in turning a LS1 into a TT rather than taking that same money and spending it on the VG30DETT which is already turboed...

remember, anything you spend on one car you can spend the same on another. the LS1 will always take the 3.0L in the long run but it takes away the character of the car...yeah its different, yeah it original, yeah i wouldnt mind seeing it, yeah i would give the guy props for the work he did to do it....but NO its not the same and i would never do it to my car, just like i would never swap in a VH45DE in a 300zx, but im not gonna care if someone else does it.

i have nothing against it a long as it isnt my car. i figure you can do whatever you want to your car...if i like it, i like it. if i dont, i dont. its your car and if you like it, thats all that matters.

like i said, im anxious to see pics...but i still would never do it to my car.

id rather drop a vh45 into a Z long before an ls1, but thats just me

id rather drop a vh45 into a Z long before an ls1, but thats just me

i agree... altho, i'd do anything in my power NOT to put an american engine into my beloved Z.... hell i'd drop a honda engine in there before i did an american one...

i agree... altho, i'd do anything in my power NOT to put an american engine into my beloved Z.... hell i'd drop a honda engine in there before i did an american one...

well i wouldnt go that far,
but the point is, use what u can get and its all good, im sure the guy with the LS1 in the Z wouldave rather used a VG too but its all good

You guys still seem to fail to understand. IT WOULD COST THOUSANDS JUST TO IMPORT A VG30DETT INTO MEXICO, and that would be above the cost of the engine.
As I've stated before I'm a gringo, and own 300ZXTT's and can leagally do so, but a Mexican can't own a 300ZX in Mexico unless he can show it's a N/A. American powered 300ZX, little problem but a 300ZXTT no way. So all your I'd do this or no fuckin way would I do that or it's taking away from the Z is not a option in this case. None what so ever.
Now that being sayed, his only option is to find a late model something something and make a swap. If it were me I'd have looked for a SOHC or DOHC Ford but there kinda rare down here, but they are here.
Once again, a turbo'd Z is illegal for a Mexican to own in Mexico.
Help the guy, don't tell him he fucked up or made a serious mistake, cause he didn't. He did what ever it took to make his Z run. END

wtf? why not? that's a stupid law...

wtf? why not? that's a stupid law...

Viva la Mexico

But THINK about it... how much more $$$ is it gonna cost to fab-up an LS1 swap??? Turbo's Illegal? Why not a stroked VG then? I dunno. TO EACH HIS OWN. If you are gonna do it... do it!

But THINK about it... how much more $$$ is it gonna cost to fab-up an LS1 swap??? Turbo's Illegal? Why not a stroked VG then? I dunno. TO EACH HIS OWN. If you are gonna do it... do it!

It was a TT with a blown engine. Worried about cost of a LS1 swap, but not the cost of a stroker kit.
Turbo's aren't illegal, 300ZXTT's are.
The speed tuners in Mexico are some of the best tuners in the world. To qualify this statement i've raced against alot of them and most of there cars were or are hand built, very few speed shop parts. Example: to get a nitrous kit in Mexico, that $1,000 kit US cost is now $3,000. A $200 cold air kit is now $600. To this fact you add that the average pay here is $4.50 a day, not a hour, but a day you'll see that most of you spend more on insurance than most Mexicans earn in a month.
I've seen a Chevy truck with a Dodge rearend and a Ford engine hooked to a Chevy transmission. Why? Cause at the time that was all that was available. And it was all done by hand. Now you mechanical wizz's try that shit. You talk crap about i'd do this or i'd do that, when in reality I can count on one hand with some fingers left over the guys that has done this or that in this room. Guys, I'm not ragging you but please learn to DIY and leave the exotic parts to those that can afford them.
May the Z live forever, even if it has a Chevy engine in it.

i dont think your understanding me or us...

i dont care that he did it...GREAT!!! i understand what your saying about importing a VG or whatever, that it is expensive. thats why i said i want to see pictures. to each his own...i really dont care whom does what to his car because it isnt mine and i wont live long enough to give a f*** what other people do with their lives.

all as i am saying is, i would not put a LS1 in a Z32...i would rather have the N/A or put the VH45DE in. my opinion...you can say that i would but i wouldnt.

who cares if you can fab up parts and put together a car...bottom line is, as long as your making your car faster it doesnt matter what you do and if you have the money and you knwo what you want...why try and make something out of nothing. whether its store bought or not... i have bought a lot of parts for my car but i have also seen and helped my grandfather build 600hp stock cars from a junkyard chassis and parts that we didnt even know what kinda car it came from.

i think we all understand that it is expensive to import an engine to Mexico for whatever reasons but that doesnt mean that we have to like the idea of swapping a chevy LS1 into a 300zx. what we would do if we were in his position is irrelavant but a LS1 would have been one of the last thoughts i would have had. but i am not gonna take credit away from someone that actually pulled it off...very well done and i wish i could shake is hand because that is not a matter of just pickin up a wrench and turning a few bolts.

with all that said...i wanna see pictures.

well i wouldnt go that far,
but the point is, use what u can get and its all good, im sure the guy with the LS1 in the Z wouldave rather used a VG too but its all good


wow i would put a ls-1 in my Z before putting a honda engine in it i mean putting a little 4 cyl in and that engine trying to push a Z is way underpowered and is crap lol ..

ive seen an ls-1 on a z31 and its sick especially when its all hooked up...

i have considered doing that to my z but my na is running really good so i'll just save that decision when the na takes a shit. i have installed many gm motors so the mechanics of this would be no problem since the cars i build are not just a drop in v8 application. there is a guy local that has a 2+2 with 550hp 427 in his but its way too loud. i like performance but i don't want it to sound like a dragster, the stock ls1 wouldn't sound that bad.

Wanna see pics? Look at the thread in this section marked 300zx UPDATE.

Peace.

umm too lazy to look for it a link would make it alot easier for eppl like me which is probably like 85% of pepl here that are gunna be lazy and not look lol so some1 lookd for it and post link here :lol:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=406111

There you go you lazy bastards :)

Jesus, its like the Nissan brand has turned into a damned religion. I don't think that anyone can deny that the LS1 is a half decent engine. A good engine, a good car, who cares who makes each? I'm sick of all the purists out there who put on their blinkers and will only consider the same manufacturer or even same goddamned engine.
Heres a tip for free: The z32 isn't anything special; its a fucking nice looking car with some excellent handling and a brilliant engine. Now if you swap in a LS1, guess what? Its a fucking nice looking car with some excellent handling and a brilliant engine.
Cmon people, give credit where credit's due. Chev have made a good engine but no one can recognise that because they're too preoccupied with the (superfluous) import vs. domestic debate that everyone seems to have an uneducated opinion on.
Personally, I don't care who the fuck makes my engine or chassis, as long as it looks good and performs good, just like I don't care who makes my toothbrush, who makes my socks or who makes my scramby eggs on toast in the morning.
Merits should be awarded on a case by case basis. Leave the blind evangelical brand-following to the ricers and you'll always come out in front.

-Mike

*Applauds*

Thank you very much MikeM52an. Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm totally sick and tired of these holy car experts of whom we need there approval for the wheels, wings or body kit installed on our cars.
On the purest level in car shows, every part that didn't come stock with the car has points deducted from it's score. That being said, I don't think many Z owners can lat claim to being a purest.
Like you said the Z is a nice looking car that handles great and it's engineering is and was beyond anything built in it's time. But with age and careless drivers working against it's only a matter of time and it well be a hi-value collectors item.
If the only engine available and all I had was a riding lawn mower engine, guess what? I'd have the funnest sounding Z in the world, but I'd be driving it.
I think a forum should be setup for the purist Z owners so they may pratice there religion without interferance from real world group.
I think it might be a eye opener to know more people are looking into upgrading there engines with a swap rather than upgrading there VG30DE engine for cost reasons. Check out this site.

http://forums.hybridz.org/

I've had opinions on here before about what I like or what I think is sacriligeous on a car, but overall my philosophy is this. I respect anyone who puts hard work and heart into their car. I'm not a big Ford fan, but you give credit when it's due. I don't like the "riced" out huge fin, fart can Hondas, but when someone put in some serious work to do it right and make it work well, hey, credit there. The only thing I hate is short cuts, like shopping springs 'cause Daddy won't help out the 17 year old with his lowering kit, so the tires run through in 1500 miles, or using 99 cent house paint over the rusty spots. There's a big difference between doing what you can afford, and just plain doing a shitty job. If you can put a Corvette motor in a Z and make it work hell, meet me at my local Pub, Corona's on me. As for purists, I can respect the opinion, but if you aren't using a Nissan Filter for the oil change, you've already modded the car in a minimal sort of way, so relax a bit. It's not the end of the world. Now if he'd put a Peugot motor in it,...well,...then I might be upset.

Jesus, its like the Nissan brand has turned into a damned religion. I don't think that anyone can deny that the LS1 is a half decent engine. A good engine, a good car, who cares who makes each? I'm sick of all the purists out there who put on their blinkers and will only consider the same manufacturer or even same goddamned engine.
Heres a tip for free: The z32 isn't anything special; its a fucking nice looking car with some excellent handling and a brilliant engine. Now if you swap in a LS1, guess what? Its a fucking nice looking car with some excellent handling and a brilliant engine.
Cmon people, give credit where credit's due. Chev have made a good engine but no one can recognise that because they're too preoccupied with the (superfluous) import vs. domestic debate that everyone seems to have an uneducated opinion on.
Personally, I don't care who the fuck makes my engine or chassis, as long as it looks good and performs good, just like I don't care who makes my toothbrush, who makes my socks or who makes my scramby eggs on toast in the morning.
Merits should be awarded on a case by case basis. Leave the blind evangelical brand-following to the ricers and you'll always come out in front.

-Mike

very well said...i have no problem admitting that the LS1 is a great engine. and i agree with everything you said...

now the bottom line still is that i would never put a LS1 in my 300zx...my opinion, just like your opinion is that you would consider it swapping an ls1 in your 300zx.

i dont know if you guys think i am saying that the LS1 is a shitty engine and nissan is better or you guys are talking about someone elses comments in this thread...because i dont really mind seeing an LS1 in a 300zx but i would never do it myself...

just trying to make myself clear in case you guys are referring to my comments...

but seriously, you guys have an opinion and everyone else has an opinion...just because someone elses opinion is against yours (in this case, they do not like the idea of a LS1 in a 300zx), doesnt make it uneducated. this is a place to come and share your opinions and then people get their panties in a bunch when people take a different side.

who cares what soemone else thinks about an LS1 engine in a 300zx and who the hell cares if someone thinks it is a good idea...bottom line, the owner if the car can do what ever they want with THEIR car so deal with it...bunch of babies!!! :D

Hey, some of my best friends are purist. One is so pure he won't even use a bolt or screw unless it came from the same year as his car, but I've never heard one of them ever put down or flame someone for doing something different to there car.
But if you put a Peugot engine in your car and it wasn't a Peugot, I wouldn't be upset,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'd cut your balls off.

Fair call k3, but the post wasn't directed at you.
I'm a big fan of respecting other people's opinions as long as they're educated opinions. The people with the uneducated opinions I was referring to are the die-hard jap fanboys who would buy japanese bolts for their car or the redneck who goes down the pub with his mates and bags everything that isn't ford etc.

-Mike

Fair call k3, but the post wasn't directed at you.
I'm a big fan of respecting other people's opinions as long as they're educated opinions. The people with the uneducated opinions I was referring to are the die-hard jap fanboys who would buy japanese bolts for their car or the redneck who goes down the pub with his mates and bags everything that isn't ford etc.

-Mike

:lol: yeah i understand...no biggie. i totally agree with you...i would still like to see pictures of an LS1 in a 300zx of some sort. i think the Z32 would not be a good option for the LS1 because of the fact the VG30DETT is already more than enough of a potent engine. unless you were in Mexico as zgringo explained that you cannot have a TTZ or you wanted massive amounts of power that a FI 5.7L can accomplish much easier than a 3.0L. i understand some circumstances but in most cases the VG30DETT is more than sufficient for delivering the power that most people wouldnt go beyond and this should be the motor in the car just like the LS1 should be in the GM family. but if someone wants to swap in LS1 in a 300zx or any other motor for that motor...i could care less and if they did a good job and they did it right, i have no problem giving them a pat on the back for a job well done.

the way i look at it is, try bragging about swapping a v6 into a camaro, and see what sort of responces you get from 99.9% of the camaro owners... however, it's not just the ls1 engine i'm against, i'm against detriot muscle, in imports that is.... i'll take any of the old mopar's any day of the week, but that's because they're vintage, and purpose built for 1 thing... and that's drag racing...

sure you can drop in a massive v8 powerplant (referring to the older beastly amrican models that weigh 2.3 tonnes) and go super fast in a straight line, but that's not what a z was made for... people seem to forget that its original design was a GT car, something luxurious, relatively speedy, and fun to drive through the twisties (the zx's that is... the older z's were less luxury oriented) now it's much harder to take a turn with a 543058435934lb iron brick under the hood compared to the iron brick that is the vg.. it takes way more effort to make it handle the same way....

i'm not trying to preach, i'm just trying to explain the angle i'm coming from... and yes, i am quite the purist when it comes to my beloved z's...

the way i look at it is, try bragging about swapping a v6 into a camaro, and see what sort of responces you get from 99.9% of the camaro owners... however, it's not just the ls1 engine i'm against, i'm against detriot muscle, in imports that is.... i'll take any of the old mopar's any day of the week, but that's because they're vintage, and purpose built for 1 thing... and that's drag racing...

sure you can drop in a massive v8 powerplant (referring to the older beastly amrican models that weigh 2.3 tonnes) and go super fast in a straight line, but that's not what a z was made for... people seem to forget that its original design was a GT car, something luxurious, relatively speedy, and fun to drive through the twisties (the zx's that is... the older z's were less luxury oriented) now it's much harder to take a turn with a 543058435934lb iron brick under the hood compared to the iron brick that is the vg.. it takes way more effort to make it handle the same way....

i'm not trying to preach, i'm just trying to explain the angle i'm coming from... and yes, i am quite the purist when it comes to my beloved z's...
i'm guessing that you do know that a ls1 motor is all aluminum. there is a major difference in the ls1 to the lt1 motors. i would take a ls1 motor over the older vintage motors because the ls1 out of the box would spank the ass off those stock motors, those motors couldn't come close to turning the rpm's the ls1 motor turns.

i'm guessing that you do know that a ls1 motor is all aluminum. there is a major difference in the ls1 to the lt1 motors. i would take a ls1 motor over the older vintage motors because the ls1 out of the box would spank the ass off those stock motors, those motors couldn't come close to turning the rpm's the ls1 motor turns.

yeah but even it is now outdated...all motors are gonna go out of date. that is just the way technology is. he 300ZX was one of the best there was in 1990 just like the LS1 is probably one of the best all around engines 5 years ago. but now it is going out in place of the new bigger displacment LS series motors.

the ls1 isn't top dog anymore but is still a current engine in factory cars rolling off the line right now. if i wanted to spend a lot more money i would go with a ls6 but for the money a brand new ls1 crate motor is hard to beat with the performance it has and the weight is not really that bad. with that said i use lt1 motors because of the apllication we have using a transaxle. the ls1's oil pan is a major problem with getting in the way for a starter to engage the smaller flywheel for the transaxles we use. i don't know what i'm gonna do with the day comes that my na engine is gone. btw, i mounted my bumper finally and have the front all together. i'll take some pics, i still have body work to do on the doors and rear quarters before painting.

now it's much harder to take a turn with a 543058435934lb iron brick under the hood compared to the iron brick that is the vg.. it takes way more effort to make it handle the same way....

i'm not trying to preach, i'm just trying to explain the angle i'm coming from... and yes, i am quite the purist when it comes to my beloved z's...



You realise the LS1 motor weighs 425lbs with accesories?

A VG30DETT weighs in the area of 600bs with all the turbo stuff thrown in. (I asked my friend who did his own VG30DETT swap into his Z32 2+2. Fun car. Very sleeper, stock exhaust so all you hear is the Blow-off valves.)

Thus, you'd reduce weight and make more power. Plus, you'd have a 6 speed. Overall, it'd be faster out of the hole... stop quicker... turn harder...

A better Z perhaps? Perhaps.



I won't even mention that if you were to slap in a LS2, the newest version of the LS line of badass motors. You'd have 400hp and 395ft-lbs of torque out of the crate And still weigh the same.

I won't argue ethics with you on what you should like. But I don't think you should be so opposed to an idea, that fundamentally can make the car do what it was supposed to do... only better.



BUT, since the Z32 with LS1 is a faux car. This thread is fairly meaningless now.

...sure you can drop in a massive v8 powerplant (referring to the older beastly amrican models that weigh 2.3 tonnes) ...

holy shit people.... do you see any mention of the ls1 in there? no, i didn't say anything about it, because i don't know enough about the engine to make any comments about it... i was talking about the average 350/454/whatever godawful things people use these days...

i'd really like to see what nissan could do with a twin turbo'd aluminum block engine.. unfortunately i don't think we'll see that for a long long time...

holy shit people.... do you see any mention of the ls1 in there? no, i didn't say anything about it, because i don't know enough about the engine to make any comments about it... i was talking about the average 350/454/whatever godawful things people use these days...

i'd really like to see what nissan could do with a twin turbo'd aluminum block engine.. unfortunately i don't think we'll see that for a long long time...
don't look now but this thread and whole discussion was started about swapping a ls1 into the z.

i know what it started with, and you know how every single thread goes off topic eventually... i'm just helping it along :)

Yeah why don't we shift the discussion onto a discussion of the new(ish) LS2 engines. They seem bloody decent but a mate at holden said that it has some oil distribution problems and the average lifetime before they come in for a bottom-end rebuild is 75,000km
I don't know how true this is, but if this is the case then good luck to GM trying to make the whole exercise profitable.

-Mike

O.k. Let's take another tangeant. We've discussed some of the LS1, LS2 pros and cons. What about Mopar? I bet that's a hot button. Imagine a Z with a Hemi in it? 5.7 or the new 6.1 take your pick. Plenty of fuel for a fire there. I don't really imagine there's much chance of it happening, but let's let the mind wander for a minute. Pros and cons? Hell, let's take it a little further. What about a mustang motor? 4.6 or 5.4? Have at it fellas,.... Now take any of those motor options and put a Paxton or a Vortech on it. Since I've pretty well shit all over the line of sacrelidge when it comes to this question about engine swaps with this post, let's have some more colorful discussion. Just so you know,...I'm serious on this one. What if?

O.k. Let's take another tangeant. We've discussed some of the LS1, LS2 pros and cons. What about Mopar? I bet that's a hot button. Imagine a Z with a Hemi in it? 5.7 or the new 6.1 take your pick. Plenty of fuel for a fire there. I don't really imagine there's much chance of it happening, but let's let the mind wander for a minute. Pros and cons? Hell, let's take it a little further. What about a mustang motor? 4.6 or 5.4? Have at it fellas,.... Now take any of those motor options and put a Paxton or a Vortech on it. Since I've pretty well shit all over the line of sacrelidge when it comes to this question about engine swaps with this post, let's have some more colorful discussion. Just so you know,...I'm serious on this one. What if?

i dont even know why the hemi is making a come back...it is the most outdated motor still produced...come on. 2 valves per cylinder??? give me a break...just imagine if dodge would have did a little engineering for once and designed a motor similar to the Hemi except updated.

4.6L ford V8...still going with the single overhead cam huh??? come on fellas...the only reason these cars still sell is because of the name and the cult following.

yes there are pros to both engines but for the most part, both companies are eventually gonna have to update...whats gonna happen when every other company in the world has been making small steps forward and these 2 companies have to make a leap to updated technology. can you say disaster???

i think its a good swap
nice power at a price you could afford props to you if i could break down and drop a 350 in one of mine i would but i lovbe the wirl of the turbos and the lovely hgandeling associated with the lighjt weight characteristics but id love to see it sweet deals and much props to you

K3 don't even go there unless you know what you talking about.
The Hemi combustion chamber engine was and is to this day the most efficent engine ever built. Everyone including the Japs have been trying to come up with a better design, but to this date haven't been able to. The main reason and the only reason Chrysler dropped it in the first place was it's high cost to machine. Ford made one and dropped it also due to high costs. To this day the Hemi is the only engine able to handle the power it takes to power a AA/F dragster and funny's to the numbers they post. Nothing in this world to this date can come anywhere's near the power a Hemi can develop. Nothing. They were outlawed in every racing group or made to run in a class buy themselves because nothing could or can keep up with them. As for them updating the Hemi, they have, plus they also have a supercharged one that'll be out soon.
Ford SOHC engines? Better take a close look at the Police Crown Victorias, Mustang Cobras and some of the Lincolns. Unless my eyes are playing games with me their DOHC engines.

K3 don't even go there unless you know what you talking about.
The Hemi combustion chamber engine was and is to this day the most efficent engine ever built. Everyone including the Japs have been trying to come up with a better design, but to this date haven't been able to. The main reason and the only reason Chrysler dropped it in the first place was it's high cost to machine. Ford made one and dropped it also due to high costs. To this day the Hemi is the only engine able to handle the power it takes to power a AA/F dragster and funny's to the numbers they post. Nothing in this world to this date can come anywhere's near the power a Hemi can develop. Nothing. They were outlawed in every racing group or made to run in a class buy themselves because nothing could or can keep up with them. As for them updating the Hemi, they have, plus they also have a supercharged one that'll be out soon.
Ford SOHC engines? Better take a close look at the Police Crown Victorias, Mustang Cobras and some of the Lincolns. Unless my eyes are playing games with me their DOHC engines.

i never said it wasnt a good engine...i said it needs updated. i did not know it was the BEST there is either. it isnt that hard to copy a design if someone really wanted too. you wuold just need the motor and im sure an engineer could copy it real easy and put a different name on it.

i dont think there is a brand new stock dodge hemi on the road that could take a porsche carrera GT on... with that said, why do you always seem to think that everyone is referring to peak power of a motor when determining the motor's quality??? why does all the manufacturers need to try and build something to have more peak HP than a Hemi, if dodge is only giving them 350hp from the factory. you have to remember that not everyone wants to turn there motor into a 1500hp+ dragster.

last time i checked the 5.6L VK in the Nissan Titan had the most towing capacity in its class...where is the Hemi when we are talking about the other 99% of the world that want to use the engine in their truck or car for something besides a dragster.

the 4.6L motor in the mustang GT is a SOHC...i did not know the 4.6L was offered in such a variety of cars. i thought most of those had the 5.0L DOHC.

It was a TT with a blown engine. Worried about cost of a LS1 swap, but not the cost of a stroker kit.
Turbo's aren't illegal, 300ZXTT's are.
The speed tuners in Mexico are some of the best tuners in the world. To qualify this statement i've raced against alot of them and most of there cars were or are hand built, very few speed shop parts. Example: to get a nitrous kit in Mexico, that $1,000 kit US cost is now $3,000. A $200 cold air kit is now $600. To this fact you add that the average pay here is $4.50 a day, not a hour, but a day you'll see that most of you spend more on insurance than most Mexicans earn in a month.
I've seen a Chevy truck with a Dodge rearend and a Ford engine hooked to a Chevy transmission. Why? Cause at the time that was all that was available. And it was all done by hand. Now you mechanical wizz's try that shit. You talk crap about i'd do this or i'd do that, when in reality I can count on one hand with some fingers left over the guys that has done this or that in this room. Guys, I'm not ragging you but please learn to DIY and leave the exotic parts to those that can afford them.
May the Z live forever, even if it has a Chevy engine in it.



hey gringoi know exactly what your saying bout mexico bro its not like everyone that buys the name brand shyt or have it done for a handfull of money out there its handmade or modified by hand and done themselves and alot of them can smoke the hell out of alot of cars here in the us..im not talkin bout here but alot of people rag on mexico and their cars i know when u see a mexican driving down the road here in the us their riding like 20 people packed and car is rigged up but tahst what the image is for all mexicans it seems like...


ok im done time to highjack this thread lol so what ta say now hmmm oh yah i was looking for the rear lower johnson rod on my car anyone know :lol:

K3, How do you update the best that was ever built? And like you say, it isn't hard to copy, the problem is the machine work. Very expensive, thats why Chrysler and Ford dropped it.
The 351 Cleveland, 429 and 460 385 series super Cobra Jet engine came the closest to competing with the Hemi, but they were dropped also as machining costs were so high.
The Dodge Hemi at 350 HP is just coasting, not anywere's near it max. and your right, not everyone wants a nitro burning dragster. My Grandpa had a Chrysler 300B with a hemi till the day he died. I inherited the car which I hated it and pulled the engine and put in in a Vette as I already had a Hemi RoadRunner at the time that would rip the Vette a new ass.
AA/F nitro burning dragsters are more like 8,000HP not 1,500 HP.
Nissan's Titan does hold the draw bar pulling record at over 10,000lbs. but I haven't seen any reports on the new Dodge V10 truck with the Viper engine. I hardly think Chrysler would kill their flagship engine with the Hemi. I think they came back with the Hemi only to put there name back into racing.
All the Police Crown Victorias some Mercury's an Lincoln's and all new Cobra Mustangs have DOHC engines. The heads are also interchangable with the SOHC engines.
Now the new Shelby GT-500 Mustang has a Whipple supercharger engine as does the Nissan truck.
In fact more mfg's have gone to screw type superchargers than turbo's. If you remember a year ago, I said that the engineering in the screw type superchargers has advanced beyond the turbo's. That doesn't mean it will remain there. I'm sure the turbo people are scrambling to regain there spot in the automotive industry.
I'm sure if Chrysler wanted to build a medium size Viper with a Hemi they could give Porsche one hell of a run for the money.
Ford did it years ago with the GT-40 and the 2 different Shelby Cobra's. The only years they raced them they were #1.
So don't sell the Detroit iron short. When the need is there they still have some of the best engineering in the world.
Limited production exotic's were never Detroit's idea of building a car, but now it seems there's a market for them Both Ford and Chrysler have concept cars that if ever built well have the overseas car mfg's humping to catch up.

oh i understand you Al...

and i understand that the Hemi is top dog when creating massive amoutns of power but like i said, in most peoples cases, a technological DOHC 4 valve per cylinder is setting the pace now-a-days...not the Hemi. im sure the American's will fire right back at the Nissan Titan overtaking them and then nissan will fire right back...hell even Honda is trying to make displacement engines now trying to steal a little sales from the big boys. this is why we have some of the best cars and trucks on the road in America. the competition is tough and you have to keep going back to the drawing board to create something better. makes us lucky to be Americans, well in your case a Gringo.


as for the Ford motors...that was my bad. i should have specified that i was referring to the 4.6L in Ford's icon car, the mustang. this is not that impressive of an engine in my eyes...and Ford knows this also...this is why they offer the Cobra/SVT. yeah 300+HP is not bad but Nissan is doing this with a 3.5L N/A...why???...because they have the edge in the technology.

our American car manufacturers always seem one step behind when it comes to technology, ever since the mid 90's...the Japanese and Europeans come out with these "crazy" gizmos and then a few years later you have the American Manufacturers coming out with the same idea.

wait till Nissan/Infiniti releases the "GTR"...it is supposed to have the Electric assisted AWD system called E-4wd. Lithium batteries power the front wheels while the Rear wheels are driven just like any other RWD car. AWD without the drivetrain loss...i also think nissan offers this AWD system to various cars over in Japan like the Cube which may also eventually see its way over here in a few years. and rumor also says that Nissan is going back to when they established the name nissan after it retired the name Datsun, with a mid displacement V6 Twin Turbo...we all ahve to admit that small displacement and turbos is nissan's bread and butter. CA18DET, SR20DET, L Series, VG30DETT, RB26DETT...these are some of the most reliable Turbocharged performance motors.

anyways, all that is to point out that im anxious to see who and how long it is going to take other manufacturers to jump on the bandwagon again. we already knwo that mitsubishi, toyota, subaru, and honda or gonna have to make an attempt. toyota has rumors already flying about the supra making its way back to production. we could possibly have another Japanese Super car war all over again...

I'm amazed to see I started this much debate.

The difference as far as technology goes is really not so impressive when you think of what it really is. Most smaller Japanese motors are aluminum with higher revving parts. These parts are generally made of more expensive materials and therefor make a more expensive motor. The American iron blocks are basically cheap to mass produce (comparatively) with lower grade metals stamped into whatever parts are required. Look at the replacement cost of an iron block V8 versus an aluminum iimport engine. Some great advances have been made with the old pushrod technology though. Look at Corvette. 400hp pushrod motor/ almost 30mpg assuming you keep your foot out of it. Still more expensive than the iron block in the old trucks, but if you want to compare it to a 3litre porche motor,... what one do you want to spend the replacement cost on. When I was working at the old shop one of our other locations forgot to put oil in an early 90's 6 cyl Landcruiser for an oil change,...yeah I know, that motor was over $8k to replace and it was far underpower compared to it's lower price higher power and better mileage American counterparts. That was in the early 90's. And to make the comparison of a Porsche GT versus any car from Dodge is a little naive. The motor in a Porsche GT has the most expensive parts, metals, and labor you can get. Comparing that with a mass produced iron block car is kinda silly. Even the aluminum Viper motor is nowhere near it's expense at $15k. I don't know the replacement cost of a GT motor, but knowing the car is well over a $1/4 million I'm sure it's pretty steep. And I do agree the Titan is a hell of a truck with a great motor, but once again, the cost of that motor and materials versus the Hemi is still probably a few grand higher. The american car companies know that they can sell a truck for so much, and the consumer will tolerate some things like gas mileage versus purchase price.
As for the ford motors, When they first came out in the mid 90's the Modular motors I believe were single cam, but that was upgraded a number of years back in the horsepower wars. They've also gone to 3 valve technology in the trucks. I'm sure the Mustang heads are 4 valve.
All in all,... American engines versus Japanese engines are just plain different animals. Different philisophical approaches. Either way the cars have gotten leaps and bounds better. If only gas prices would improve as the cars do,....so sad.

Oh, yeah, Albert. What's the rumor your hearing on the Supercharged Mopar?

I'm amazed to see I started this much debate.

The difference as far as technology goes is really not so impressive when you think of what it really is. Most smaller Japanese motors are aluminum with higher revving parts. These parts are generally made of more expensive materials and therefor make a more expensive motor. The American iron blocks are basically cheap to mass produce (comparatively) with lower grade metals stamped into whatever parts are required. Look at the replacement cost of an iron block V8 versus an aluminum iimport engine. Some great advances have been made with the old pushrod technology though. Look at Corvette. 400hp pushrod motor/ almost 30mpg assuming you keep your foot out of it. Still more expensive than the iron block in the old trucks, but if you want to compare it to a 3litre porche motor,... what one do you want to spend the replacement cost on. When I was working at the old shop one of our other locations forgot to put oil in an early 90's 6 cyl Landcruiser for an oil change,...yeah I know, that motor was over $8k to replace and it was far underpower compared to it's lower price higher power and better mileage American counterparts. That was in the early 90's. And to make the comparison of a Porsche GT versus any car from Dodge is a little naive. The motor in a Porsche GT has the most expensive parts, metals, and labor you can get. Comparing that with a mass produced iron block car is kinda silly. Even the aluminum Viper motor is nowhere near it's expense at $15k. I don't know the replacement cost of a GT motor, but knowing the car is well over a $1/4 million I'm sure it's pretty steep. And I do agree the Titan is a hell of a truck with a great motor, but once again, the cost of that motor and materials versus the Hemi is still probably a few grand higher. The american car companies know that they can sell a truck for so much, and the consumer will tolerate some things like gas mileage versus purchase price.
As for the ford motors, When they first came out in the mid 90's the Modular motors I believe were single cam, but that was upgraded a number of years back in the horsepower wars. They've also gone to 3 valve technology in the trucks. I'm sure the Mustang heads are 4 valve.
All in all,... American engines versus Japanese engines are just plain different animals. Different philisophical approaches. Either way the cars have gotten leaps and bounds better. If only gas prices would improve as the cars do,....so sad.

the porsche vs. hemi was mentioned because Al stated that the Hemi was the best motor...and i was using an example of the porsche motor to prove that the Hemi is not the best for everything. it may be the best Peak HP motor but there are far better motors from the factory, not everyone wants to turn their car into a 8000HP dragster. the Porsche Carerra GT is faster than a Hemi truck in every aspect so obviously the Hemi is not the best motor in this scenario. it may be the best motor for Peak HP...and the nissan titan has far better towing capacity than the Hemi trucks so obviously the VK has the edge there over the Hemi also. just because it makes the best peak Hp doesnt make it the best motor for everyone...just for the small percentage of the population that wants to build a dragster.

and you have to remember the prices of motors have alot to do with where they come from too. if they are built in Japan or Europe than they are gonna be more expensive because someone has to pay shipping and currency exchanges and all that jazz. while American motors are built right here in the states...the metals and alloys used to create this motors is only a small piece of the price of a motor when you consider its origin and what not. another reason why motors are more expensive from out of country is because the fact that most Import Manufacturers used different motors for different applications making them not AS common as the average 350 small black or 302 small block which was put in almost every vehicle produced in america. the Import Manufacturers are just now catching on to makign the same motor work for different cars. for example, nissan is now using the VK and VQ in most of their cars if not all. in a couple years this will benefit people owning these cars if they need a motor replacement because it will be alot more common than a VG30DETT which is found only in 1 car produced.

holy crap ill be honest i really didnt read tha last 10 posts of about a 500 word essay lol but im sure what you all said made sense so i agree :lol:

Holly Shit!, my thread caused lots of interesting opinions to arise, and I think there is a pretty good discussion going on in here.

Peace.

First lets clear up a few false statements.
#1 a cast iron block costs more to cast and machine than a investment casted aluminum block. The reason for aluminum engines is weight, nothing more. But the big problem with aluminum is warpage and stress. Aluminum don't like heat and well warp real easy with heat.
#2 pushrod engines have and can turn over 10,000RPM.
Small block Chev's and the Ford 351C were famous for turning 11,000RPM. I had a 351C that I shifted at 10,500 and in the lights at 11,000.
#3 Put a Porsche engine in a truck vs. a Dodge Hemi truck and see what happens.
#4 The Jap's have and are building the highest tech engines in the world today. But the Italians have built the highest tech engines ever.
Ducatti's Desmadromic (sp) valve system is the most advanced system ever. Then of course MotoGuzza's 250cc V8 engine's with rotary valves that turned 22,000 RPM and developed 210HP.
#5 The Jap autos and parts aren't expensive, it's the government duty placed on them so the'll be the same price as American counterparts thats expensive. Thats why most Jap auto and motorcycle mfg's are building there products in the USA to beat the high import duty placed on there product.

First lets clear up a few false statements.
#1 a cast iron block costs more to cast and machine than a investment casted aluminum block. The reason for aluminum engines is weight, nothing more. But the big problem with aluminum is warpage and stress. Aluminum don't like heat and well warp real easy with heat.
#2 pushrod engines have and can turn over 10,000RPM.
Small block Chev's and the Ford 351C were famous for turning 11,000RPM. I had a 351C that I shifted at 10,500 and in the lights at 11,000.
#3 Put a Porsche engine in a truck vs. a Dodge Hemi truck and see what happens.
#4 The Jap's have and are building the highest tech engines in the world today. But the Italians have built the highest tech engines ever.
Ducatti's Desmadromic (sp) valve system is the most advanced system ever. Then of course MotoGuzza's 250cc V8 engine's with rotary valves that turned 22,000 RPM and developed 210HP.
#5 The Jap autos and parts aren't expensive, it's the government duty placed on them so the'll be the same price as American counterparts thats expensive. Thats why most Jap auto and motorcycle mfg's are building there products in the USA to beat the high import duty placed on there product.

I sit corrected.

#3 Put a Porsche engine in a truck vs. a Dodge Hemi truck and see what happens.


yeah but put a stock porsche engine in a sports car and put stock dodge Hemi in a sports car!!! your missing my point, there are better motors for different causes...

if your going for a dragster, by all means buy the Hemi...and if you do want to get technical, im sure Jet engines can do more damage than a Hemispherical engine. anyways, im sure the Hemi will be overtaken in a matter of time as the best dragster engine also. there is too much tenchnology for a 30 year old design to stay #1 in drag...the only thing keeping them from building one better is probably the simple fact that manufacturers have no reason to build a better engine to create 8000hp because they only need 300-400hp to surpass their competitors. when the Hemi was introduced thats what people wanted and thats what they got. now with the soaring gas prices and the attention of alot of racign viewers turned from drag to a different form of racing, it is obselete.

if your going for a street sports car, the Hemi is probably not the best choice and there are alot of other very impressive motors out there for this purpose..

if you want an economy engine, you better stay away from the Hemi...maybe go with a Honda, Toyota, or Ford Hybrid.

if you want to tow a 9000 pound trailer up a 30 degree hill with the air conditioner on...you probably do not want to get a Hemi.

there are better motors for different situatons...one motor will never be the best when their are people out there that use their vehicles in so many different ways.

if your going for a dragster, by all means buy the Hemi...and if you do want to get technical, im sure Jet engines can do more damage than a Hemispherical engine. anyways, im sure the Hemi will be overtaken in a matter of time as the best dragster engine also. there is too much tenchnology for a 30 year old design to stay #1 in drag...the only thing keeping them from building one better is probably the simple fact that manufacturers have no reason to build a better engine to create 8000hp because they only need 300-400hp to surpass their competitors. when the Hemi was introduced thats what people wanted and thats what they got. now with the soaring gas prices and the attention of alot of racign viewers turned from drag to a different form of racing, it is obselete.

if your going for a street sports car, the Hemi is probably not the best choice and there are alot of other very impressive motors out there for this purpose..

if you want an economy engine, you better stay away from the Hemi...maybe go with a Honda, Toyota, or Ford Hybrid.

if you want to tow a 9000 pound trailer up a 30 degree hill with the air conditioner on...you probably do not want to get a Hemi.

there are better motors for different situatons...one motor will never be the best when their are people out there that use their vehicles in so many different ways.

i know this isnt the point but jet engines actually take very long to reach the power needed to move its own mass and huge weight, jet engine dagsters still only run in the 5s at high 200 mphs while hemi powerd topfuelers run in the mid 4s, but ayways (sorry to go off on tat being that it had no relevance)
but anyways the only improvements that will be made to the hemi will just be efficency improvements for internal cumbustion motors as a whole, as it stands the hemispherical head is the most efficient design possible and to improve on this designit would have to be a very dramatic redesign of the motor as a whole that would change the whole flat piston attached to a crank design
the existing hemi design could be mated to very small ci motors (small honda 4 cylinders) to make even more efficient motors than the existing B and D series. thats just some info on the hemi i doubt i really fueled the fire or gave any new info to anyone but if i inlightened anyone or helped anyone see its potential sweet