Have you ever thought of this?

Everyone asks how did life originate?

How did space originate, how did matter originate?

my brain explodes every time i try this question.

is anyone old enough to remember this? lol!

chris

Nobody has thought of those things before. You're the first.

LOL^^^

Time and space are a continuous loop, so there's no beginning and end. Life began on rocks near the ocean, which has been duplicated countless times experimentally.

These kinds of questions were designed to cause our humanoid brains to collapse upon pondering them.

I got the easy answer, God made it all. How he did it? He blew his nose and out came the universe.

I've always bought into the idea that life probably started in or around geothermal vents on the ocean floor. Tons of the basic chemicals required for life pouring out of the earth reacting with each other, warm temperatures, oxygen... Makes sense to me.

All that astrophysics space & time crap is very confusing. I guess space-time is supposed to be some kind of parabolic cone, the beginning of which is kind of bowl shaped and ends up in a flat mathematical singularity, not a precise point at which everything started. I've seen the whole looping thing explained but I still can't get my head around that part.

What are you talking about? We dont even exist!


I love Descartes.

God, got tired of watching tv at 4am when nothing good is on and he had seen all the infomercials, so he made existence. Specifically Earth, I mean think about it, somewhere there is someone doing something 24/7.

Nope. I try not to think.

I am here and that is all that matters!!!!!

This is a hard one. I personally don't believe in the god theory, god is there so that people can explain the non-explainable. Just like aincient Greeks and Romans did. I am sorry to all the religious people for saying this, that is your theory and this is mine.

It is kind of hard for me to believe that there was once a nothing, just confuses the crap out of me.

Off topic: has anybody though if aliens modify their flight mobiles like we modify cars?

Actually, the beginning of the universe was an RX-7 backfiring on a cold stellar morning.

LMAO! hahahahahaha.
But how was your car created then? It consists of mater as well...

Listen, that's just how it happened OK!? :D

ok well if scientific laws state that matter can not be created or destroyed, it just changes form. Wher did all the matter that makes up the universe come from? WHY IS IT ALL HERE! WHO MADE IT! AHHH!!

ok well if scientific laws state that matter can not be created or destroyed, it just changes form. Wher did all the matter that makes up the universe come from? WHY IS IT ALL HERE! WHO MADE IT! AHHH!!

Your confusing matter with energy. The laws of constant mass, energy, and momentum say that these things can neither be created nor destroyed, they just change form. However these laws dont apply to exotic physics examples like black holes, and super gravity, and high energy (like the big bang).

For those content to say "god" made everything I say then were did that god come from? If the universe and the world can't "be" without a creator then neither can that creator. Fun stuff to talk about if you ask me.

this is a question of opinions and theorys but if you think about long enough you'll go nuts lol

Carry on.

ok some god created us and he has a god that created him and so on and so forth so basically there is a infinite amount of gods that are playing this huge game of who can create cooler things and they make gods as well to help them in their goal of making cool things

Space has always been around, and it has no end... But to claim that it's always been around contradicts myself, because its NOTHING. Nothing can't not exist...because there is nothing less than nothing. So if you were able to warp yourself to the farthest star in our known universe, and were to look out, you'd just see more space. Empty, dead space devoid of everything, with our universe expaning into it.

isnt saying that the universe has no end just a theory? that hasnt been proven has it? notice these are pharased as questions im not making any claims

If you think the universe has an end then what is beyond that? You have to call it something. Doesn't "universe" by definition include everything that is, even if it's different?

The only way to find out if God created the universe is for someone to die and go and if hes there, ask him. I dont plan on doing that for a while, but if anyone else dies soon let us know how it turns out. How matter came into existance is beyond any sort of scientific or religious comprehension.

If anyone really wants to know, I created the original matter and Im not gonna tell how I did it.

so far god created matter, the back fire of a rx-7 created everything, and sivic created it, are there any claims that im missing?

so far god created matter, the back fire of a rx-7 created everything, and sivic created it, are there any claims that im missing?

I was driving an rx-7 over to Gods house when there was a huge backfire which caused existance as we know it to form. Just to make a long story short.

I was driving an rx-7 over to Gods house when there was a huge backfire which caused existance as we know it to form. Just to make a long story short.
it makes perfect sense that a roatary engine created existence as we know it

I was driving an rx-7 over to Gods house when there was a huge backfire which caused existance as we know it to form. Just to make a long story short.

Ya, but whats God's house made of????, for that matter (forgive the pun) where did the gas in your RX7 come from if existence wasn't created yet?

it was a magical rx 7

Gods house is made of play dough and i got the gas from the gas station, where do you get yours? Jeez...

The key to the universe is that if you hear the tree fall in the woods, you are there.

Thusly~~~~~~~~~ You are a singularity amongst singularities, each within their specific milieu and environment. One singularity can only experience their own milieu, unless absorbed into another singularity environment.

In that it is statistically improbable that many singularities experience the exact same environment in the precise manner as all other singularites, there can be no true shared environment.

Therefore~~~~~~~~~ Don't worry, be happy.

All of matter came from a single unbelievably dense atom sized particle, it compressed itself by gravity being so high that it caused the big bang in which everything started expanding outward, the universe is still expanding, this is shown by the fact that distances in the universe are getting larger, eventually like a rubber band it will start snapping back by the power of gravity, and after that eventually it will be compressed back to the size of a pin prick, then smaller, and then another big bang, it is a continuous cycle and there is a limit to the time left

This is scientific theory, not fact, but its what I hold true

The key to the universe is that if you hear the tree fall in the woods, you are there.


The key to the universe is acid,
Watch Cheech and Chong... :rolleyes:

Space has always been around, and it has no end... But to claim that it's always been around contradicts myself, because its NOTHING. Nothing can't not exist...because there is nothing less than nothing. So if you were able to warp yourself to the farthest star in our known universe, and were to look out, you'd just see more space. Empty, dead space devoid of everything, with our universe expaning into it.

Space outside of our atmosphere isn't nothingness, it is "empty"
But its been proven that it has a consistancy like a fluid, that is how heat, light and radiation flow through it like waves to our planet from the sun,

This is a hard one. I personally don't believe in the god theory, god is there so that people can explain the non-explainable. Just like aincient Greeks and Romans did. I am sorry to all the religious people for saying this, that is your theory and this is mine.

It is kind of hard for me to believe that there was once a nothing, just confuses the crap out of me.

Off topic: has anybody though if aliens modify their flight mobiles like we modify cars?

Albert Einstein beleived that a supreme being created the universe. And he's pretty much the smartest person that ever lived. lol

Space outside of our atmosphere isn't nothingness, it is "empty"
But its been proven that it has a consistancy like a fluid, that is how heat, light and radiation flow through it like waves to our planet from the sun,

I'm not sure what you are saying. Space is, by definition, devoid of anything and everything. There is simply nothing there. The fact that there is nothing there doesn't mean that electromagnetic radiation cannot travel through it. :screwy:

Then who created that supreme being? Or is it simply our way of explaining what we do not yet know? Is it just blind faith to give answers to the questions we can't get them?, Hmmmmmmmmm

Then who created that supreme being? Or is it simply our way of explaining what we do not yet know? Is it just blind faith to give answers to the questions we can't get them?, Hmmmmmmmmm

No. That supreme being is infinite. No beginning and no end. It is hard to comprehend. I could explain the logic behind it all, how the supreme being is an uncaused cause, etc. etc., but I would have to haul out the bookshelf and start reading again, lol

Just keep in mind that we are finite, it is therefore difficult to understand something that is infinite, something that is not part of the world we are in and something that is not bound by natural laws that we have written to describe patterns we see around us.

And as long as you are going to ask who created what, then I will ask, who created the dot that the big bang came from? According to your reasoning, it had to come from somewhere.

In case yall missed out on the other thread, I was driving an rx7 to Gods house when it backfired causing the creation of matter and existance as you mere mortals know it.

The whole what created God or what created the first matter is never going to be answered or comprehendable by humans. I do like how you brought up how we are finite and cannot comprehend infinite, we were talking about that in my religion class today.

I must say ec brings up an excellent philosophical challenge.

If there is an infinite being, no beginning and no end, then I can again re-assert that humans take on blind faith that philosophy, without any other evidence to explain the occurence. Any finite being [meaning humans] reaches to the "unknown" as an answer to the ?'s that science, biology, etc., cannot directly answer. Thusly, an unproven, nebulous "figure" becomes created or postulated to provide the neat fix. History backs this up.

I grant that our perspective is a limited one, in that we have proven there are planets and systems out there many millions and even billions of years [our time-frame experience] older. Thus, roughly 8K years of human development is a dot on the horizon to what happened prior to our emergence.

That then creates wonder and ?'s with few, if no answers. Which finally, states that on simple blind faith, we postulate a being or event that neatly explains the question, without actually explaining anything.

That supreme being is infinite. No beginning and no end. It is hard to comprehend... ...who created the dot that the big bang came from?

Maybe that infinite supreme being with no beginning and no end is just the universe itself. The May 2005 National Geographic magazine has a good article about the big bang. Some cosmologists are now considering that the big bang may not have been "the start" but just a single event in a cycle that continually repeats itself. I haven't read it all yet but I will.

I was going to post the same thing ec and sivic posted did, but they summed it up in the end. It's mind boggiling (for lack of a better word) to think that our whole thought pattern is completely flawed (beginning and end).

What's wierd to think about is that you must belive that it is flawed because obviously there can be no beginning. It's wierd to imagine that there is a realm of thinking that we can't grasp no matter what we do. We are aware of this realm, but it is just out of reach like an infinite distance. :eek7:

I think the point people are trying to make is that if our universe came from a "single unbelievably dense atom sized particle" then where did the particle come from. Also the Big bang is a theroy, not scientific fact. The big bang is where science and philosiphy begin to merge. In the early 1800s, German astronomer Heinrich Olbers argued that the universe must be finite. If the Universe were infinite and contained stars throughout, Olbers said, if you looked in any particular direction, your line-of-sight would eventually fall on the surface of a star. Although the apparent size of a star in the sky becomes smaller as the distance to the star increases, the brightness of this smaller surface remains a constant. Therefore, if the Universe were infinite, the whole surface of the night sky should be as bright as a star. Obviously, there are dark areas in the sky, so the universe must be finite.
But, when Isaac Newton discovered the law of gravity, he realized that gravity is always attractive. Every object in the universe attracts every other object. If the universe truly were finite, the attractive forces of all the objects in the universe should have caused the entire universe to collapse on itself. This clearly had not happened, and so astronomers were presented with a paradox.
The three possible types of "expanding universes" are called open, flat, and closed universes. If the universe were open, it would expand forever. If the universe were flat, it would also expand forever, but the expansion rate would slow to zero after an infinite amount of time. If the universe were closed, it would eventually stop expanding and recollapse on itself, possibly leading to another big bang. In all three cases, the expansion slows, and the force that causes the slowing is gravity.
For the last eighty years, astronomers have been making increasingly accurate measurements of two important cosmological parameters: the rate at which the universe expands and the average density of matter in the universe. Knowledge of both of these parameters will tell which of the three models describes the universe we live in, and thus the ultimate fate of our universe.
Also, outside of out atmosphere isnt nothingness, and its not empty, it not even a vaccum. "Space" is mearly a leftover byproduct of the universe cooling down. Anyone who has ever washed their car on a sunny day knows that you can complety cover your car with a layer of water but after a few moments the water runs off and whats left pulls together into small puddles leaving surrounding areas relativly free of water. Thats what the universe did, its not that there is NOTHING there, its just the surrounding areas contain so much less than the puddles that relativly they look empty. Our solar system alone is cram packed with junk like asteroids, planets, satellites (man made and natural), comets, all swirling around a HUGE firey ball of gasses, and heavy metals.

Everybody lives on a street in a city or a village
or a town for what it's worth.
And they're all inside a country,
which is part of a continent,
that sits upon a planet known as Earth.
And the Earth is a ball
full of oceans and some mountains,
which is out there spinning silently in space.
And living on that Earth are the plants and the animals
and also the entire human race.

It's a great big universe, and we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks
about the size of Mickey Rooney
It's big and black and inky
And we are small and dinky
It's a big universe and we're not

And we're part of a vast interplanetary system
stretching seven hundred billion miles long.
With nine planets and a sun;
we think the Earth's the only one
that has life on it, although we could be wrong.
Across the interstellar voids
are a billion asteroids
including meteors and Halley's Comet too
And there's over fifty moons
floating out there like balloons
in a panoramic trillion-mile view!

And still it's all a speck amid a hundred billion stars
in a galaxy we call the Milky Way
It's sixty thousand trillion miles from one end to the other,
and still that's just a fraction of the way.
'Cause there's a hundred billion galaxies
that stretch across the sky
filled with constellations, planets, moons and stars.
And still the universe extends
to a place that never ends,
which is maybe just inside a little jar!

It's a great big universe, and we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks about the size of Mickey Rooney
Though we don't know how it got here
We're an important part here
It's a big universe and it's ours!