2007 5th Generation Camaro

For those that have not seen or heard about the concept art and news behind the 2007 Chevrolet 5th Generation Camaro. Check out this link.

http://www.5thgenerationcamaro.com/

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i still laugh when people bring this up... like we all havent heard about it 800 million times...

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The interest of these threads are dropping like Michael Jackson's pants at Chuck E Cheese.

I saw the latest news in one section was how the Camaro will handle on the improved Zeta plateform. :wtf: Didn't they cancel that?

I don't know about everybody else but I won't believe there's another Camaro until I'm at a car show and I can see, touch, smell, taste, and hear it. Until that day everything else is just a rumor.

next time someone brings this up....im gonna do something drastic....


...i dunno what yet...but itll be drastic let me tell you..

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The interest of these threads are dropping like Michael Jackson's pants at Chuck E Cheese.

I saw the latest news in one section was how the Camaro will handle on the improved Zeta plateform. :wtf: Didn't they cancel that?

I don't know about everybody else but I won't believe there's another Camaro until I'm at a car show and I can see, touch, smell, taste, and hear it. Until that day everything else is just a rumor.

And thats why you drive a mustang.

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hey it might be brought up alot but the more we all talk about it the more likely they make it and i love how there going back to the older styles but with a new look

How lovely, a site based on propoganda making it into facts, that countdown there gave me a good laugh

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I think there is a lot more fact than fiction these days.

isnt that the same pic from like 2 yrs ago? that car and its idea have both been flushed down the toilet, zeta is dead and so is that concept, we will never...ever...ever ever ever see another camaro. but its still nice to know some of us hold on to that small bit of hope thats out there.....

blah blah blah.... I will beleive it when I see it.


GM has their head soo far up their asses, they don't know what way is up or down.


I am not enthueastic about it at all.

As has been said that concept pic is old and was never even considered to be built by GM. The orange and the green one as well as a super old red and blue concept have been around for years. Camaro is dead and i'm not sure if/when it will be back and i KNOW that the site you posted has no clue either.

William

But still, theres hope, and I think that if the Camaro came back and looked like one of those, it look sporty as hell according to those pics.

current theory, according to motor trend (i know i know just hear me out...)

is that zeta is not dead, but it wont be a camaro, it will be a chevelle and that the camaro will come back on the delta platform which is smaller than the zeta, which to me is good news, our girls needed to go on a diet anyway ;)

current theory, according to motor trend (i know i know just hear me out...)

is that zeta is not dead, but it wont be a camaro, it will be a chevelle and that the camaro will come back on the delta platform which is smaller than the zeta, which to me is good news, our girls needed to go on a diet anyway ;)

What do you mean by small? Not small like the cobalt (not knocking it, cuz i like the cobalt) i hope.

Small like pony cars are smaller than muscle cars, I assume

Small like pony cars are smaller than muscle cars, I assume

God, i hope so, but i love my boat.

Small like pony cars are smaller than muscle cars, I assume



well a while ago I found out that apparently my car is a pony car instead of a muscle car. I dont remember who said it....but i told them to shut up and go to hell because in my mind, my car is a muscle car lol.

no no, definatley not cobalt size small. But more along the lines of an EVO or WRX is what i have imagined. let me doubble check something quick...

wha... yes please double check? ad stop youe got me thinking of an AWD option now...

no no, definatley not cobalt size small. But more along the lines of an EVO or WRX is what i have imagined. let me doubble check something quick...

Damn, that is still kinda small though, not even the size of the 3rd gen?

ok first off i need to correct myself, the platform that the camaro may be built on will be the beta platform, not the delta. but anyway, here is what gminsidenews had to say.

Camaro/Chevelle- Chevy has an all new sporty coupe set to debut in 2007 on the Zeta platform. This car is very similar to the 2007 GTO, with the exception of tighter styling. At this point the assumption is that this car will be the all new Camaro. There is however an outside rumor that this car may be hastily redesigned and given a more appropriate name such as Chevelle. Then GM would design a Camaro on an all new midsized RWD platform loosely based on a lengthened Kappa platform. This platform (rumored to be called "Beta") was first previewed in the Holden Torana TT36 concept shown at the 04 Sydney International Auto Show. This would slightly delay a Camaro to possibly 2008. Either way, we will keep you updated!

This would make sense with the chevelle and GTO being full size performance cars, and the camaro being returned to its ponycar roots as the smaller sportier offering. For those of you who want to know what we might be expecting as far as the overall size and shape of the beta platform, take a look at these pics of the Holden Torana TT36.

http://www.commodores-r-us.com/gallery/torana

the wheelbase is around 118inches, with an overall length of 185inches. thats 8 inches more on the wheelbase, and ten incehs less in length than the audi A6. and compaired to the evolution VIII the torana has 4.7 more inches of wheelbase, and is only 6.5inches longer. If this is the basis for the new camaro, ill be happy. Just so long as they get a V8 in there. The TT36 has plenty of power, but lets face it, the camaro has to have an eight.

yummy...

which to me is good news, our girls needed to go on a diet anyway ;)
........ if only xeno was still here........

........ if only xeno was still here........

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The base model could have that sixer in it though :grinyes: . But, yeah, the camaro has to have an eight in it, its just principle. That torana looks pretty f***** nice though. I think the maro wouldn't be that bad though, they just have to get the stylin right.

yeah if they were gonna use that as the basis of design,the front end would need some changing to better represent the camaro, it would have to be a two door hatchback or coupe with a trunk (although to be honest i preferr the utility of a hatch over a trunk) and personally i would like to see a more familiar long nose short deck layout alla the second or third gen profile. But its definatly an eye catching machine.

yeah if they were gonna use that as the basis of design,the front end would need some changing to better represent the camaro, it would have to be a two door hatchback or coupe with a trunk (although to be honest i preferr the utility of a hatch over a trunk) and personally i would like to see a more familiar long nose short deck layout alla the second or third gen profile. But its definatly an eye catching machine.

Yes indeed it is. I perfer the hatch my damn self, just sucks when those shocks go out cuz that hatch is heavy as hell. That would be cool if it kinda resembled the 3rd gen though. I feel GM won't messed up, i mean look at the vette, it gota little smaller but it still sexy as hell, but the the GTO...

Base model BETTER have a sixer ;) cuz the mustang sixers finally are where we were....

Base model BETTER have a sixer ;) cuz the mustang sixers finally are where we were....

ROFLOL, that pretty sad, but ford still has those motherf****** stang being produce in the plants, bastards...

hey hey now whats wrong with the goat????

and heres an interesting read for yall, keep in mind this is just one guys view on things, with no real evidence to back it up, but it does make alot of sense.

GIDDY-UP!

Will Chevy’s Pony Car Ride on an Architecture Based off the Torana Concept?

The World Series may be over, but here at C&G we love to throw a good curveball every now and then. Not that we enjoy baffling our readers, but it never hurts to know everything that could come your way. After all, any hitter who steps up to the plate expecting fastball after fastball is going to find himself back in the dugout pretty quickly. For the C&G faithful, this article is the journalistic equivalent of the nastiest 12-to-6 curveball ever thrown by Randy Johnson.

Yes, we’ve gone on record as saying that when (no longer "if") the Camaro returns, it will be on the RWD Zeta platform, and we will stand by that until the Camaro debuts on something other than Zeta. My intent here is not to inform you of any new information about the Camaro, but to present an honest, unbiased, well-thought-out look at the feasibility of a Camaro based on the architecture underpinning the Holden Torana TT36 concept unveiled two months ago.



As reported by our trusted insiders, the Torana rides on an architecture that is structurally similar to the Kappa architecture used in the forthcoming Pontiac Solstice roadster, though it would be inaccurate to call it "Kappa-based". Suspension design is taken from Kappa, while the differential is taken from the Cadillac CTS. Also, the Torana architecture uses a lower-dominant tube body structure to allow flexibility in the body structure, From a packaging sense, that means that the interior of any car based off this platform will likely be in a 2+2 configuration. Also of note, the Torana concept is similar in size to the CTS as well as the Infiniti G35 and Lexus GS, with a wheelbase in between that of the Monaro/GTO and the CTS.

Putting all of this together, we have a lower-mid-size RWD 2+2 architecture with a sports car suspension. Sound like a good starting point for a Camaro? Sure does. Would this platform make a better Camaro than Zeta would? Possibly. Since this is a mid-sized architecture (not compact, like Kappa), the differences in dimensions between a Zeta (also mid-sized) Camaro and a Torana-based Camaro would likely be a wash. However, Zeta has been said to require a rather tall firewall, perhaps forcing a Camaro based off it to have a taller, more upright design. In contrast, the Torana architecture could yield a more low-slung, sleek Camaro. With minor differences in overhang length (from the Torana concept) due to production requirements, a Torana-based Camaro would feature a dramatic, aggressive stance with taut proportions – the exact qualities that made the original Camaro such a great design.

However, for the Torana architecture to truly be considered an adequate basis for a new Camaro, it must have the capability to fit a V8. Based on the fact that the Torana is powered by an engine with 375hp and 354lb/ft. of torque, it’s obvious that the architecture could handle the amounts of horsepower and torque that the Camaro is known for. As of right now it is unknown whether or not a V8 actually will fit, but we’ll go on the record as saying "Why not?" From this picture of the Torana’s engine bay, it does appear that an engine as wide as GM’s small-block should fit in there without a problem, since the wider HFV6 appears to fit with room to spare on the sides. It is hard to tell whether or not the engine bay is long enough to accept something four cylinders long, but by judging by the space available in that picture it shouldn’t be too much of a problem. At the most, the engine would need a modified accessory drive system and/or a low-profile cooling fan setup to fit.



Another factor in determining the Torana architecture’s feasibility for use in a Camaro is cost. The Camaro has always held true to the original pony car concept of providing affordable performance: anyone who can save up enough money over the summer could buy a Camaro in the fall. Although we have no idea of the expected price bracket for any Torana-based vehicle, we can tell you this: the Wilmington, DE plant, currently earmarked for production of the Kappa roadsters, would be operating vastly under-capacity once these vehicles are brought online. Since the Torana architecture and Kappa are structurally similar, it is not unreasonable to think that Wilmington could undergo a mild retooling for producing this architecture. Taking this one step further, if the Torana architecture is produced alongside another architecture that is intended to spawn vehicles costing in from just under $20,000 to around $25,000, it does make sense that Torana-based vehicles can be in a similar price range. That’s Camaro territory, folks.

So there you have it: everything you ever wanted to know about the possibility of a Torana-based Camaro. Again, we’re not trying to pass this off as inside information. We’re just trying to present the notion that a Torana-based Camaro might not be too farfetched an idea. Not only is the idea feasible, but theoretically it isn’t all that much different from how a Zeta based Camaro might turn out.

The commentary written above is by C&G Moderator z28luvr_01

Joshs Note: Chime in with your thoughts. We want to hear from everybody! What would you say to a Torana based Chevrolet Camaro, or even a Chevy based Pony car?

I say yeah. I mean from the way they explained it, the torana platform could surely work for the maro, aslong as they can get that 8 in they're. I don't think it a bad idea at all, it actually looks to be that ray of hope that we maro owners need. I will start saving every last penny so when that mofo comes out, i'm first inline. I'll keep my fingers crossed. 89, not to sound like an idoit, but what did you mean by goat?

lol, what is it with yall and calling yourselves idiots, drives me nuts.

but anyway, the GTO is affectionaly known as a goat. its a nickname. so i was saying whats so wrong with the new GTO. I think its bad ass.

lol, what is it with yall and calling yourselves idiots, drives me nuts.

but anyway, the GTO is affectionaly known as a goat. its a nickname. so i was saying whats so wrong with the new GTO. I think its bad ass.

I know, that thing is a beast!! It's just that it looks so similar to the Grand Am, which was kinda a turnoff. I was reading the issue of motor trend which had cartoon pics of the possibly new GTO look and i can say that it looks a lot better, and that Torana is gorgueos!

It looks like a grand prix maybe... and look at the GTO's history, it never was a flashy new car...

and heres an interesting read for yall, keep in mind this is just one guys view on things, with no real evidence to back it up, but it does make alot of sense.

GIDDY-UP!

Will Chevy’s Pony Car Ride on an Architecture Based off the Torana Concept?

The World Series may be over, but here at C&G we love to throw a good curveball every now and then. Not that we enjoy baffling our readers, but it never hurts to know everything that could come your way. After all, any hitter who steps up to the plate expecting fastball after fastball is going to find himself back in the dugout pretty quickly. For the C&G faithful, this article is the journalistic equivalent of the nastiest 12-to-6 curveball ever thrown by Randy Johnson.

Yes, we’ve gone on record as saying that when (no longer "if") the Camaro returns, it will be on the RWD Zeta platform, and we will stand by that until the Camaro debuts on something other than Zeta. My intent here is not to inform you of any new information about the Camaro, but to present an honest, unbiased, well-thought-out look at the feasibility of a Camaro based on the architecture underpinning the Holden Torana TT36 concept unveiled two months ago.



As reported by our trusted insiders, the Torana rides on an architecture that is structurally similar to the Kappa architecture used in the forthcoming Pontiac Solstice roadster, though it would be inaccurate to call it "Kappa-based". Suspension design is taken from Kappa, while the differential is taken from the Cadillac CTS. Also, the Torana architecture uses a lower-dominant tube body structure to allow flexibility in the body structure, From a packaging sense, that means that the interior of any car based off this platform will likely be in a 2+2 configuration. Also of note, the Torana concept is similar in size to the CTS as well as the Infiniti G35 and Lexus GS, with a wheelbase in between that of the Monaro/GTO and the CTS.

Putting all of this together, we have a lower-mid-size RWD 2+2 architecture with a sports car suspension. Sound like a good starting point for a Camaro? Sure does. Would this platform make a better Camaro than Zeta would? Possibly. Since this is a mid-sized architecture (not compact, like Kappa), the differences in dimensions between a Zeta (also mid-sized) Camaro and a Torana-based Camaro would likely be a wash. However, Zeta has been said to require a rather tall firewall, perhaps forcing a Camaro based off it to have a taller, more upright design. In contrast, the Torana architecture could yield a more low-slung, sleek Camaro. With minor differences in overhang length (from the Torana concept) due to production requirements, a Torana-based Camaro would feature a dramatic, aggressive stance with taut proportions – the exact qualities that made the original Camaro such a great design.

However, for the Torana architecture to truly be considered an adequate basis for a new Camaro, it must have the capability to fit a V8. Based on the fact that the Torana is powered by an engine with 375hp and 354lb/ft. of torque, it’s obvious that the architecture could handle the amounts of horsepower and torque that the Camaro is known for. As of right now it is unknown whether or not a V8 actually will fit, but we’ll go on the record as saying "Why not?" From this picture of the Torana’s engine bay, it does appear that an engine as wide as GM’s small-block should fit in there without a problem, since the wider HFV6 appears to fit with room to spare on the sides. It is hard to tell whether or not the engine bay is long enough to accept something four cylinders long, but by judging by the space available in that picture it shouldn’t be too much of a problem. At the most, the engine would need a modified accessory drive system and/or a low-profile cooling fan setup to fit.



Another factor in determining the Torana architecture’s feasibility for use in a Camaro is cost. The Camaro has always held true to the original pony car concept of providing affordable performance: anyone who can save up enough money over the summer could buy a Camaro in the fall. Although we have no idea of the expected price bracket for any Torana-based vehicle, we can tell you this: the Wilmington, DE plant, currently earmarked for production of the Kappa roadsters, would be operating vastly under-capacity once these vehicles are brought online. Since the Torana architecture and Kappa are structurally similar, it is not unreasonable to think that Wilmington could undergo a mild retooling for producing this architecture. Taking this one step further, if the Torana architecture is produced alongside another architecture that is intended to spawn vehicles costing in from just under $20,000 to around $25,000, it does make sense that Torana-based vehicles can be in a similar price range. That’s Camaro territory, folks.

So there you have it: everything you ever wanted to know about the possibility of a Torana-based Camaro. Again, we’re not trying to pass this off as inside information. We’re just trying to present the notion that a Torana-based Camaro might not be too farfetched an idea. Not only is the idea feasible, but theoretically it isn’t all that much different from how a Zeta based Camaro might turn out.

The commentary written above is by C&G Moderator z28luvr_01

Joshs Note: Chime in with your thoughts. We want to hear from everybody! What would you say to a Torana based Chevrolet Camaro, or even a Chevy based Pony car?



DAMN THAT POST WAS SO LONG I JUST HAD TO QUOTE IT, that is entirely too long to read

DAMN THAT POST WAS SO LONG I JUST HAD TO QUOTE IT, that is entirely too long to read

Lazy bastard, shows how dedicated you are


on a Side note the Zeta platform has been canceled

I still think there is enough interest in this car for GM to at least bring it back soon. No one is saying its going to look like Kris Horton's rendition, but im sure it will have a vintage feel to it.

I gotta feeling it will come back and that GM won't mess the look either. Don't know when it will be here, but it will be, i can feel it.