Help pick Cl0aks sleeper.

(Feel free to move this thread if any of the Mods consider it in the wrong forum, I figured if anywhere the street racing guys could appreciate a good sleeper)

Here's my dilema guys. My new car is being a pain in the ass but thats a story for another time. I can sell it and still pull a nice profit so i'll have a good amount of money for mods. Tell me if this sounds like a really stupid idea. I want a sleeper, something that doesn't look fast at all, but has decent body styling and is a little fun to drive, it has to be new(read as used but nice) and semi-reliable.

My idea was to get a 2003 chevy cavalier that I found, its a 5 speed with a 2.2L ecotec and 30k on the engine. It has decent styling and the ecotec is a decent motor that takes well to a turbo/SC. My friend has a 01 and he was telling me about a 200hp+ cavalier, sounded pretty nice to me I imagine if I left it stock exterior wise besides a 1.5" drop no one would think twice about racing a puny looking cavalier.

With the Getrag german engineered transmission that it has, shifts really smooth I like that too, with a short throw kit it would be nice. I can get the car for around 6300$ that would leave me about 4-5k$ to mod it. Think its a bad idea? Any other suggestions I'm open to also.

Cliffnotes:
1.New car sucks
2.Want a sleeper
3.Thinking of getting a 03 cavalier 5-speed with 30k on it for 6k and than having 4-5k left to turbocharge it

get a S12 and have a CA18DET in it, mass fun mass fast.

Cliffnotes

car-1000
swap and engine-3500

total left for mods

a fuckin lot :sunglasse

Get a VR4, also has that Getrag tranny you like.

Since i think i remember you being a Buick guy why not stick with that? Get a 2000 Regal GS...mmm....L67....new pully, chip, headers....be a quick little bastard


I've always wanted a black GS with black leather interior...so sexy..

Since i think i remember you being a Buick guy why not stick with that? Get a 2000 Regal GS...mmm....L67....new pully, chip, headers....be a quick little bastard

Thats actually a pretty good idea if I could find one in my area within my price range. Last time I checked a few out they were at the cheapest 17-18k i'd go for it in a heartbeat but I'm just trying to avoid financing anything.

The VR4 is actually a sexy ass machine too but when I checked them out last week the only one here had 122k on it and they wanted 9,000$. :uhoh:

92-95 Civic VX Hatchback, swap for a B18C1 and TC that little shit. The VX hatch is the lightest model 5th Gen Civic. It should be really inexpensive to purchase one. Competlely unsuspecting.

You can possibly find one for about less than 2 grand easy. The swap should cost you about $3500, and boosting it will probably cost another $1500. Plus you'll still have all that money left over to play with the motor and turn up the boost. Also, suspension, and your brakes can be upgraded too. I am biased to Hondas as well :)

Very common thing to do, but hey if everyone's doing it, it must be workin' right? Just my :2cents:.

Wow 3.5k for a swap?

I'm guestimating...never done it myself. Plus, it depends on how much you get the motor for, where you get it, and who can install it for you.

Why not get an MR2? You can get one in decent shape for $7k (probably a 91), and with the $3k you have, you can get a new turbo (ATS TD06), exhaust, intake, and MBC. Should run 12s. People underestimate MR2s. Everyone is going to be biased to what they own. Jayson is going to log in, and tell you to go with the Cav. Mr. Lous is going to tell you to get a Camaro/Firebird with an LS1

early 90's Celica + 3sgte

The MR2 is definitely an option I just never looked at it as a sleeper but that might be because a friend of mine has a 91 and I know how quick they are. The styling of it to me just screams fast though.

well i'm biased also to what i drive. But i'll tell you what i did. Only if you like domestics. But anyway, i got my car at a junk yard for 3200 dollars. Didn't run very well. Over the course of four years i've spent around 9K on it. New motor, supporting drivetrain. And everything else. Puttin' down a good amount of power to smoke everything i've come across so far. Which would be a twin turbo VR4, 12sec. 340 duster, Cammed LS1, 500HP SRT10 RAM, EVO (at the track), SRT4 (also at the track). However mine is definately not a sleeper. BUT with the right exhaust you can make anything sound stock.

EDIT: I'd say with the amount of money you'll have left over from buying the car would give you some good power. And a decent sleeper you'll have. good luck with it.

*cough* BUICK!!! *cough*



Sorry lately i've just been biased because i've came to the conclusion that i'll never buy anything other than a Buick. Not that i dont like other brands.... I'm just obsessed with Buick.















Regal GS :evillol:

If you're interested in straight perfromance power, I would stick with something American that responds well to mods, maybe a 5.0 or something that you can pick up for really cheap and mod the shit out of it.

6500 for an 03 cavalier is a rip off. Cavaliers lost all resale value when Gm started giving them away. The most i would pay for an 03 cavalier with 30k miles is 4500.

Also i dont like the 2.2L ecotec engine as much as the Ld9 engine. Having a stock 10:1 compression isnt the most ideal place to start a turbo/blower project.

U want a sleeper, get a grandprix GTP, remove the badges, pulley swap full exhaust, intake, and shift kit, you will be in the 13's.

I concur with the Buick.... get a supercharged regal, thorw some mods on it, and you'll have one hell of a fast granny car. Not only that, but it'll also be pleasent to drive, and most girls like cushy cars.

Get a 93-97 Altima. The KA24DE is a pretty decent engine, they are low 16 sec cars stock, but if you bore it .30" over and get some forged internals, and port and polish the head, you should be running 13's. I got a 94' Altima SE and they look really nice too. and you can pick one up for 2000 and do a SR20DET swao if you have the money.

Regal GS!!!!!!!!!!!

So far I have on my list the Regal GS and the Cavalier still just cause I have an appointment to go check it out with a dealer and haven't found a Regal yet. But yes Josh its made the list hah don't have a heart attack.

Why not a GN or a T type.... you wear the symbol. get the car.

98 ford excort zx2 with a turbo might work. im not a real big fan of cavy's but i guess it would be a sleeper.... what about a late 80's supra? i like the way those look. or buy a mazda miata and put a 5.0 in it.

1st Gen DSM? I'm surprised nobody suggested that thus far. Easy pick me up, and a few grand will pull you into the 12's. Shouldn't be hard to find one that will cost you a whole lot.

a supra is a supra, it cant be a sleeper :)

Had a GN 2 years ago, lost it to a damaged frame. I have to have something a little newer now as it will be my daily driver.

a supra is a supra, it cant be a sleeper :)

thats true... but most idiots out there wont recognize one of the old ones

thats true... but most idiots out there wont recognize one of the old ones



bah... They all look the same in the rearview mirror.

The MR2 is definitely an option I just never looked at it as a sleeper but that might be because a friend of mine has a 91 and I know how quick they are. The styling of it to me just screams fast though.

1st gen mr2 is definitely a sleeper.

but i would try the grand prix/regal route, since it seems like your leaning towards that anyway.

lol sleepers... how about a big friggin boat, like a lincoln. seriously just get a grandpa car. stick a 351 in that bitch. you can get em for cheap.

1st Gen DSM? I'm surprised nobody suggested that thus far. Easy pick me up, and a few grand will pull you into the 12's. Shouldn't be hard to find one that will cost you a whole lot.

that is a good point, your average driver doesn't suspect a 1g dsm to be a fast car.

Get a geo metro and drop a 450 in the bitch

You really want a sleeper? Scion Xa, haven't you seen the commercials of what they've done to their Xa's? (Please don't do this, I'm just kidding)

Hi,
I would personally recommend a Ford fox chassis vehicle, or something along the lines of an 80's Chevy Malibu.

I have a '78 Mont with a heavily built 302 (2x4 carbs, JE pistons/Scat rods, 10.7:1 compression, big roller cam, etc.) and full manual C6. Very fast, relatively cheap, and very easy to work on. Haven't had to strip but motor makes around 320 hp and car weighs only 2700 lbs all up so 12's look pretty sure. Tons of parts, as they are functionally identical to the 79-93 mustangs. Other models include the LTD, Marquis, and Thunderbird.

My brother is getting an '81 Malibu wagon with a 350 SBC/TH-350 in it. Currently being constructed, but motor has some good upgrades like a [email protected] solid cam, Weiand Team-G intake, 750 DP, and some other bits on the car like a 3000 rpm converter and shift kit. Will definitely turn low 13's for an investment of only $2000.

Both of these models only weigh around 2800 lbs all up. Plus, they are smog era vehicles normally seen rotting in junkyards, therefore make perfect sleepers.

I know you seem to like imports, yes they tend to handle better and definitely get better gas mileage, but consider domestics. For max speed to dollar ratio, they cannot be surpassed. Plus, we all like the sweet rumble of V8's - it makes the blood boil.

Mind you, LS1's have died to my '78. It is total, utter, pants-pissing humiliation for them. I also have a rarely used nitrous kit too, jetted for 150 hp. You ain't lived till you have ridden in a 2700 lbs vehicle with a motor pumping out over 450+ hp. Hallejulah!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
Andy

scion xb with ls1 with vtec and rotary tubros

I know you seem to like imports, yes they tend to handle better and definitely get better gas mileage, but consider domestics. For max speed to dollar ratio, they cannot be surpassed. Plus, we all like the sweet rumble of V8's - it makes the blood boil.

I've actually only owned 1 import and that was a VW Jetta a long time ago the cars I am looking at are American...my trans am is certainly very American.

Grand Prix GTP, Regal GS, or even a Bonneville SSEi (alot of people think it's a GTP though). The least expensive would probably be the GTP though.

i got a website for you... check out www.turbominivan.com
these guys take these 2.5 litre 4 cyilinder turbo vans and make em run 12s. its crazy.

hondas suck go with 1.8t vw and chip it

hondas suck

Kind of ironic that your last name is "accord", eh chris? Oh! I see you also drive a honda as well.

Good suggestion, but really, your input of "hondas suck" isn't needed. Change your attitude. Here we try to get along somewhat, regardless of whatever someone else may drive. Capiche? Good, no more of that now. And welcome to AF. Glad to have a new member aboard.

sorry, i just dont like hondas, too many around were i live. when i joined like 3 years ago i hada 91 accord thats why it is my name lol
but i got a jetta 1.8t chipped 215 hp and 247 tq just from chip. adda turbo back exhaust and im over 200whp

sorry, i just dont like hondas, too many around were i live. when i joined like 3 years ago i hada 91 accord thats why it is my name lol
but i got a jetta 1.8t chipped 215 hp and 247 tq just from chip. adda turbo back exhaust and im over 200whp

Well, no more bashing on Hondas. I don't care if you don't like, nor do most of the members here. Just play along nicely with all the members and you'll fit in fine. Congrats on the new car. I'm fully aware of the potential those 1.8T's have. They are nice cars. So...congrats.

ty but i am never in these forums they suck you never get any help

ty but i am never in these forums they suck you never get any help

Well, depending on what forum you go to, I'm sure you'll get help. I've received plenty of help from the Honda guys. All I have to do is PM them, or make a simple thread and that's it. I have no problem. If you do, then don't bother coming here saying they suck. You're here for a reason, correct?

Besides, this is the Street Racing forum. Wouldn't expect much help for your car here. So, the VW forums would suite you best.

na vw forums suck if youve noticed i only had like 6 posts in 2.5 years so i am a regular on automtive forums.com i am bored o yea hondas are slow

na vw forums suck if youve noticed i only had like 6 posts in 2.5 years so i am a regular on automtive forums.com i am bored o yea hondas are slow

Yeah, I can see that you are quite the regular. Welp, hope you enjoyed the time here. When you get banned, think of me. Cause, I'll be laughing over and over again at you... :evillol:.

whatever i hope i get banned this site sucks so laugh all u want f u c k hondas

that minivan website is the best website i've ever seen!!!

Well, you know what my suggestion will be, any 1989 and up Turbo Dodge/Chrysler. The Turbo II, III, and IV cars came with a Getrag forged five speed. They have very stong engines. The Turbo I cars are everywhere and can be converted to a Turbo II very easily. You can find a good example of one for anywhere between $1,000 - $4,000 and with $1,500 - $2,000 in mods you can be in the 12s. They are very reliable cars if taken care of. They also get pretty good gas mileage as long as you aren't always in the boost.

You can't say my car isn't a sleeper and I must say that I think it is a damn good looking car.

like i said before....www.turbominivan.com . jjeeeeeez dont you people listen?

1st Gen DSM? I'm surprised nobody suggested that thus far. Easy pick me up, and a few grand will pull you into the 12's. Shouldn't be hard to find one that will cost you a whole lot.

Crank walk dude

try a grand prix and shove and LS-1 in it

I was under the impression that crank walk wasn't such a big problem for 1st gen DSMs, someone correct me if i'm wrong.

I was under the impression that crank walk wasn't such a big problem for 1st gen DSMs, someone correct me if i'm wrong.

You would be right, in fact it isn't a problem AT ALL for 1st gens, only the second gens.

Crank walk dude

You would be right, in fact it isn't a problem AT ALL for 1st gens, only the second gens.

:owned:

I might also add that crank walk isn't that common on the 2nd gen cars. It happens but is can be fixed and the reason you hear about it is because, even though there aren't that many cases, it is a PIA if you get it.

Either way I don't really think you can call any DSM a sleeper.

except for a starion

grandpa car!!! comon

I might also add that crank walk isn't that common on the 2nd gen cars. It happens but is can be fixed and the reason you hear about it is because, even though there aren't that many cases, it is a PIA if you get it.

Either way I don't really think you can call any DSM a sleeper.

:iagree:

freaking my god people. www.turbominivan.com im completely sober and serious about it this time.

Yeah, you can't beat a turbo mini for the sleeper effect. However, you can't exactly call them good looking. Cl0ak said he wanted a sleeper but he wants a good looking sleeper.

just put those plastic spinners on it and some led winshield washers.

and some random stickers for good measure. who doesnt like that? its gotta be amazing looking after thatm better lookin that a enzo.

damn man id get the cavy and turbo it itll go real fast and its cheep dont listen to these people who are all about american muscle stick with some 4banger that can take there asses which it can my friend has one and brags his ass into races that it always gets him out of which just allows him to keep talking shit cause he can cavaliers are sick keep it and turbo my 2 cents thought you needed some import too much american muscle in here lol

damn man id get the cavy and turbo it itll go real fast and its cheep dont listen to these people who are all about american muscle stick with some 4banger that can take there asses which it can my friend has one and brags his ass into races that it always gets him out of which just allows him to keep talking shit cause he can cavaliers are sick keep it and turbo my 2 cents thought you needed some import too much american muscle in here lol


thats so gay... what is it with people and american muscle bullshit and ricer bullshit... and a cavy is a american car. wow. and cavaliers arent fast, unless you have a special one like jaysons, and everyone and their mom has one and they are gay... so yeah that would be a terrible choice. also since when are turbo minivans american muscle?