Is there such a thing as the Truth?

Do you think there is really an absolute truth to everything?

Example: We all know that 2+2=4 but if you add two mounds of apples to two mounds of apples you have one mound of apples, so 2+2=1 is true in a way. *Discuss*

2=2=4 is an absolute truth because that is what everybody gets told.

Truth is simply the purest form of propaganda.

Originally posted by taranaki
2=2=4 is an absolute truth because that is what everybody gets told.

Truth is simply the purest form of propaganda. :eek: :eek: :eek: Wow. That is something I never thought of before. That's quite a revelation. I'm impressed.Originally posted by Mexican S-10
Example: We all know that 2+2=4 but if you add two mounds of apples to two mounds of apples you have one mound of apples, so 2+2=1 is true in a way.It's an interesting perspective, but it's more like a trick on perspective here than an exception to "truth," in my opinion.

Truth is relative, like all things. Truth is dictated by our perspectives of the world we live in. Therefore, the notion of absolute truth is more hypothetical than anything else.

Mathematics can have definate answers. Nothing else can.

Originally posted by Mexican S-10
Do you think there is really an absolute truth to everything?

Example: We all know that 2+2=4 but if you add two mounds of apples to two mounds of apples you have one mound of apples, so 2+2=1 is true in a way. *Discuss*

2m + 2m = 1M would be a better way of describing it.

2 small mounds + 2 small mounds = 1 Large mound:rolleyes:

ahhh Truth!









oh dear god! :finger:

:smoka:

My argument is that all mathematical theorems work backwards as well. These don't In reverse it has to be 1/2+1/2=1

Ahh. The concept of truth. One can go on and on about the concept of truth. It all depends on your own view on life and the world around you. Truth can be defined as what is fact, reality. However, how does one know what truly is reality? The only way people learn, experience is through the five sense. However, it is known that your senses have can trick you. So if fact / truth is based on a system of senses that has been proven sometimes to be unaccurate, how can one say anything is real? It's all in the perception. If one percieves the truth, then it does exists. If one cannot perceive the truth, then it does not.

Damn philosophy. I wanna take that class again. Twas fun.

i would have to agree with chibiSF in that truth is a matter of perspective
i dont like to lie so if a situation comes up where i believe the closest thing to the absolute truth should be hidden i simply tell the truth in a way so as to intentionaly mislead with out making what i told false in any way

The truth is not always palatable, but I view it as a fact so it is not subject to perspective.

Some poeple think too much. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Damien
Some poeple think too much. :rolleyes:

and others think far too little:(

Originally posted by taranaki


and others think far too little:(

And some think just right :D

math is theories. These theories have been broven time and time again but there is nothing that is absolute. You can sit here and tell me that 2+2=4 and yes that it what we have known to be true but there is no way of completely proving that because we know nothing else. lets just say that someone else came up with a theory that 2+3=4 and that is what you are taught from kindergarden? then that is waht you would believe. you know what you are taught, that is all of which you know. most things that we know are only theories that can work and wont work, everything is a theory that builds on somethign else.

you know I've always thought it would be hilarious if it turned out that math was just some great coincidence

by the way good point sexy

Mathematics is an abstraction of reality. The proposition is unsound as it mixes the abstraction (the apparent logic of mathematical principles) with inconsistency in teminology (are we using mounds as a unit of measure or as a noun to indicate a structure?) to arrive at what appears to be a paradox in logic.

The apparent paradox is that we have a solution to the equation that is inconsistent with the apparent truth of mathematics.

However, no paradox exists as the semantics hide the the fact that if we were to use the original mounds as a benchmark unit of measure then, ceterius paribas, the mathematical abstraction holds true.

Apologies for the technicalness of this response but I've been dealing with systems people all afternoon...

MATH SUCKS! I HATE GEOMETRY & PROOFS:D

Nice discussion here...
If Math as you define it is paradoxical, what does that make Science?