Difference between Vortec & Non-Vortec?
chevy94
04-24-2005, 10:39 AM
I just purchased a 1994 Astro CS. The Vin engine code is Z for the 4.3L V-6. The valve covers say Vortec V-6.
My 1989 Astro has the standard 4.3 V-6 Non-Vortec. Can someone explain the difference between the two engines? Many Thanks.
My 1989 Astro has the standard 4.3 V-6 Non-Vortec. Can someone explain the difference between the two engines? Many Thanks.
drew300
04-27-2005, 08:44 AM
Marketing
Sounds impressive, "Vortec", maybe even masculine.
Sounds impressive, "Vortec", maybe even masculine.
Kings-x59
04-27-2005, 02:03 PM
There's a blurb on this website that describes what a vortec engine is.
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/engines/vortec/
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/engines/vortec/
drew300
04-27-2005, 02:48 PM
I thought swirl-technology was decades older than the Vortec engines.
It would be quite a trick to non-swirl (laminar flow) a fuel/ air mixture into an explanding cylinder through an off-centered poppet valve, in a wedge-head.
That would be one heck of a useless accomplishment!
Maybe i should try for a research grant.....
It would be quite a trick to non-swirl (laminar flow) a fuel/ air mixture into an explanding cylinder through an off-centered poppet valve, in a wedge-head.
That would be one heck of a useless accomplishment!
Maybe i should try for a research grant.....
Kings-x59
04-27-2005, 09:24 PM
LMAO!
Work in an alternative fuel derived from oil and you are sure to to get millions in grant money!
Work in an alternative fuel derived from oil and you are sure to to get millions in grant money!
tom3
04-28-2005, 10:19 AM
The actual name is more marketing than anything else. Consider a Vortec 2.2 four banger, what a joke. Maybe a Dodge Magnum four cylinder? Sure it is. But the 4.3 Vortecs were a pretty big improvement over the throttle body, especially when they improved the heads in the mid 90s. Sure not without their problems though. The Vortecs had improved air flow, port injection, better cams, balancers, electronics, and that dreaded electronic EGR valve.
Kings-x59
04-29-2005, 09:30 PM
yes the dreaded EGR, the part that got so increadibly expensive when OBD 2 went into effect.
But, after the "vortec" arrived the horse power on the 4.3's did start to go up.
I suspect it was nothing more than a half ass port and polish on the heads.
But, after the "vortec" arrived the horse power on the 4.3's did start to go up.
I suspect it was nothing more than a half ass port and polish on the heads.
drew300
05-03-2005, 09:20 AM
But don't forget, every other manufacturers' horse power went up over the last decade too, using non-Vortec technology.
Kings-x59
05-04-2005, 10:28 PM
man ya can't get nuthin past Drew canya!
drew300
05-05-2005, 09:08 AM
Hey, I try.
Now if only I can get my van to start.....
(see other posts)
Now if only I can get my van to start.....
(see other posts)
rksnc
05-05-2005, 09:49 AM
The fact remains, the more air you can put into a cylinder, the more you are going to get for you bang. This is something you cannot get around. You need as much fuel and air you can pack into a cylinder for the most power. You can pack more air getting to swirl while entering. This is not hype. There are people out there who do more study and have the means to do the studys.
Kings-x59
05-05-2005, 09:46 PM
Going from 12 - 14 psi fuel delivery to 50 to 60 psi alone will pack more air/fuel into the cylinder alone.
Also made the fuel pumps reeealy expensive.
Also made the fuel pumps reeealy expensive.
drew300
05-09-2005, 09:35 AM
Interesting. Maybe I missed the boat, and "Vortec" refers to the vortex started in the intake manifold by the 60 psi fuel pushing more fuel/air into the cylinder....
Poor mans' supercharging?
Poor mans' supercharging?
Kings-x59
05-09-2005, 11:46 PM
It's not just the more air you can put in, but how well you can atomize the fuel into the air. Gasoline, even the high octane, is not all that highly refined a fuel. A fair amount, even in these days of all the additives, goes out the tail pipe. Now the catalytic converter takes care of some of the excess. So the vortex effect mixes the fuel / air a bit better and more bang for the buck. Although I think this is a lot of marketing hype as well. I think GM did a little better job on the ports, put a bit of spin on the in-flow and voila...vortec.
rksnc
05-10-2005, 06:45 PM
But if you get more air into cyl , then are you not then also getting more fuel. And with all the sensors at work , computer is working to keeps fuel air ratio at 14:1.
Kings-x59
05-10-2005, 08:38 PM
True rk, the computer is working to maintain the fuel air ratio, but even though the injectors are spraying the fuel, not all the fuel vaporizes in the cylinder, and not all the fuel burns. So the more you churn the mixture, the better the vaporization, the better the combustion.
jimmypodunk
05-22-2005, 06:10 AM
Your van with the Vortec has Vortec heads. The air flow is suppose to be improved over your standard run of the mill heads. It probably has slightly larger ports to match the camshaft. I think the acceleration on mine works pretty good while getting decent gas mileage.
Kings-x59
05-23-2005, 11:39 PM
No doubt about that jimmy, the horse power did increase when the vortec heads arrived, and the gas mileage improved as well. -better air fuel mix.
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