ZC engine?

anyone know where to locate a ZC engine for my 92 hatchback (legal ofcourse, one that is atleast 92+) with somewhat low miles (~40k) complete swap? im interested in this engine because its got the starting HP that im looking for (~130) and its a DOHC engine. i hear they are really cheap, so im interested in gettin one. i know 75% of you will say "why dont you just save up for a z19zy turbo??" or something, but im not looking for a 400whp car. i want a cost effective ~130. this means, d16y8 also....and the fact its a vtec engine is nice, but its SOHC..which i dont really like (basically cause the engine looks silly) and my desired engine would be the b18b....which is probably the smartest thing to do.
would like some opinions on this (inteligent ones only please, not idiot "DUDE GET NAWZ!@#$!@" and shit)
this is a daily driven car, not intended for being a racecar, etc. etc., i just want to be able to get moving when needed, something reliable, and something cheap. oh, and it needs to be cheap. did i mention cheap...?
i have right now, about 600 bucks @ my disposal..after carpet + seats, that gives me ~400, taxes are getting done this week, should hopefully get about 4-500 for that, and i figure i can manage to save a couple hundered outta my paycheck..
whats the going rate for:
1.) 5th gen ZC swap
2.) D16Y8 swap
3.) D16Z6 swap
4.) B18B1 swap
?
im really leaning towards a b18 or d16 right now, but the ZC still interests me....and is probably the cheapest..

opinions, links, thoughtful advice is welcome!
Thanks.

. .. . . im looking to do this very swap, but going to turbo it!!! But if money is an issue i believe that the ZC would be best!!!

Good luck on the search!

very insightful.

I believe you are incorrect -- the 88-91 "ZC" motor is DOHC, the NEWER what would be a 5th gen "ZC" is a SOHC VTEC motor. And I can get you both :flipa:

d16z6...use the rest on a homemade turbo...170whp easy...put that in a hatch and run 13s.:D

start talking.

Originally posted by madtownhonda
d16z6...use the rest on a homemade turbo...170whp easy...put that in a hatch and run 13s.:D

d16z6 swap will cost about $5-600 without install...you can even use your existing transmission and just get the long block, vtec stuff, and a p28 ecu (92-95 EX/Si). You can either piece together a homemade turbo or buy a used greddy kit. I've seen used greddy kits going for like $1200 with everything except the FMIC. You can pick up a polished Starion/Conquest Tsi FMIC for like $300 or less if you look. I personally wouldn't use the blue box that comes with the greddy kit but it's not that big of a deal if your using stock boost, which is 5.5psi. The black box is bad, it disables VTEC, which is bad so make sure you don't use the black box because it sucks.:D

To get to about 170whp is going to cost a bit more because your going to need to up the boost pressure to about 7-8psi. To do this your going to need an FMU, high pressure intake fuel pump, FPR, higher flowing injectors, missing link, and a AVC-R to tune it all with.

Check out this turbo d16 page, a ton of insightful information about turbocharging a d series motor.
http://pub19.ezboard.com/fturbod16forumturbod16

damn, it'd be to my advantage to know shit about turbos right now :) at any rate, i saw a '00 d16y8 complete swap for 700 obo on the parts trader......dude lives in ohio tho :/ so i'd have to go get it or something....hell i'd be happy with that :D
as for using my own tranny, i think i'd be better off going with the Si tranny...better gear ratio and shit right? not to mention i dont like the idea of getting an engine with lower miles than the transmission...might as well do it all at the same time.
now, lets say i was to go to a junkyard, and stumble accross a car that comes turboed stock....i could take the turbo out, and fit it to my d16? (i believe thats what you were refering to when you said "Starion/Conquest Tsi FMIC" thats the turbo in a talon tsi?)

i got a better idea for a swap now...
http://www3.sympatico.ca/h.leung/Cars/ViperIntegra.jpg
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Originally posted by madtownhonda
d16z6 swap will cost about $5-600 without install...you can even use your existing transmission and just get the long block, vtec stuff, and a p28 ecu (92-95 EX/Si). You can either piece together a homemade turbo or buy a used greddy kit. I've seen used greddy kits going for like $1200 with everything except the FMIC. You can pick up a polished Starion/Conquest Tsi FMIC for like $300 or less if you look. I personally wouldn't use the blue box that comes with the greddy kit but it's not that big of a deal if your using stock boost, which is 5.5psi. The black box is bad, it disables VTEC, which is bad so make sure you don't use the black box because it sucks.:D

To get to about 170whp is going to cost a bit more because your going to need to up the boost pressure to about 7-8psi. To do this your going to need an FMU, high pressure intake fuel pump, FPR, higher flowing injectors, missing link, and a AVC-R to tune it all with.

Check out this turbo d16 page, a ton of insightful information about turbocharging a d series motor.
http://pub19.ezboard.com/fturbod16forumturbod16

Originally posted by dreemkill
damn, it'd be to my advantage to know shit about turbos right now :) at any rate, i saw a '00 d16y8 complete swap for 700 obo on the parts trader......dude lives in ohio tho :/ so i'd have to go get it or something....hell i'd be happy with that :D
as for using my own tranny, i think i'd be better off going with the Si tranny...better gear ratio and shit right? not to mention i dont like the idea of getting an engine with lower miles than the transmission...might as well do it all at the same time.
now, lets say i was to go to a junkyard, and stumble accross a car that comes turboed stock....i could take the turbo out, and fit it to my d16? (i believe thats what you were refering to when you said "Starion/Conquest Tsi FMIC" thats the turbo in a talon tsi?)

i got a better idea for a swap now...

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FMIC-Front Mount InterCooler
you'll need that and the piping for the IC
the greddy kit comes with the rest as long as you keep the boost at 5.5psi
you don't even need the IC, but it is beneficial.

here is the Starion IC...fairly large:eek:

http://abacus.sj.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_63341f7eed0424c5a16692643e/i-1.JPG

Someone tell me that integra pic is photoshopped :eek:

it has to be, i'll look at it, but off the top of my head, the engine would weigh as much as the rest of the teg, not to mention the rwd/fwd conflict, and the fact that it looks like the stock radiator is still there:rolleyes: for the 10 cyl engine

yeah it is, whoever did it spent alota time but didn't catch every detail, i feel almost as pathetic having looked at it so much

Originally posted by swedish
i feel almost as pathetic Why cause you posted twice when you could have just put it all up in one ? :rolleyes:

:finger:

sparq: how much for a zc swap through you?

well, i emailed this dude about his engine thats for sale..he's got a '00 d16y8 w/35k miles for $700 obo (complete changeover)
hopefully he's cool with my offer (800 shipped..i figured about 200 for shipping from ohio) then i get to find out from nate about dropping it in my car, and stuff like that..oh, and if mom will loan me the 8 bucks till i get my taxes back and stuff ;)
::crosses fingers::

Originally posted by madtownhonda


FMIC-Front Mount InterCooler
you'll need that and the piping for the IC
the greddy kit comes with the rest as long as you keep the boost at 5.5psi
you don't even need the IC, but it is beneficial.

here is the Starion IC...fairly large:eek:

http://abacus.sj.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_63341f7eed0424c5a16692643e/i-1.JPG

Originally posted by dreemkill
i got a better idea for a swap now...
http://www3.sympatico.ca/h.leung/Cars/ViperIntegra.jpg
:D:D:D:D:D


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OMG :eek: THERE IS A GOD!!! That's the funniest thing I've ever seen. Sleeper!

They GOTTA make a bolt in kit for that.

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer
They GOTTA make a bolt in kit for that. Lets develop one with Matt -- and we can make one for the 5th gen hatch while were at it :D I think $100,000 sounds like a good price :o :p :finger:

ok, so..after assessing my finances....i should have like, 1500+ to spend on stuff...im getting a d16y8 swap, with some aftermarket goodies (cam gear, possibly DC headers, and aem pullies(?) for like, 900 of that (is that a good price to offer?) i can continue to save up a bit, then what shall i do? how much would a turboed d16y8 cost me, assuming my swap is about 800.
or.....would i be able to get a b18b swap for ~1600? or is that wishful thinking? im really interested in the d16y8 to be honest....the fact that its a vtec engine interests me. so, if you had ~1600 bucks, what would you do, in regards to engine swapping? oh - and dont say "save up another grand and get a b16" because im not doing that. period. its shocking to me enough to see over 900 in my account right now, with the thought of payday friday, and 400 dollar money order coming in the mail thursday :D

AND MY TAX MONEY! I KEEP FORGETTING ABOUT THAT! wow, me == stoked. my brother wants my stereo...shit, maybe i COULD get a b16... haha

A 6th gen hatch SOHC non Vtec motor with a Greddy kit at around 8 PSI on stock internals will give you around 170whp and around 160 lb/ft..
I know someone on a hatch running that setup at 8.5PSI on stock internals. He dynoed 172WHP and 160something lb/ft. That's probably a low 14 to high 13 sec setup on a hatch.

nice. very encouraging.. i wonder what i could run a 5th gen hatch w/ a d16y8 + turbo.. i mean, a greddy turbo for a D-series is what...liek 2 grand or something? :( i think im gonna stick to a almost-stock d16y8 for now, but the rest into other things (already have carpet and seats reserved, thinkin about coilovers + shocks...
whats the cost of a decent turbo for that engine?

Originally posted by fjt
A 6th gen hatch SOHC non Vtec motor with a Greddy kit at around 8 PSI on stock internals will give you around 170whp and around 160 lb/ft..
I know someone on a hatch running that setup at 8.5PSI on stock internals. He dynoed 172WHP and 160something lb/ft. That's probably a low 14 to high 13 sec setup on a hatch.

Originally posted by dreemkill
nice. very encouraging.. i wonder what i could run a 5th gen hatch w/ a d16y8 + turbo.. i mean, a greddy turbo for a D-series is what...liek 2 grand or something? :( i think im gonna stick to a almost-stock d16y8 for now, but the rest into other things (already have carpet and seats reserved, thinkin about coilovers + shocks...
whats the cost of a decent turbo for that engine?


2 grand? probably if its a brand new kit. Mine is going to cost me around 1300 with the Intercooler. I've seen brand new greddy kits sell at ebay for 1250 bucks, brand new. If you do a custom setup bying here and there, piecing it together it can cost you like 1200 and sometimes less..Complete. That's hella cheaper than swaping a b16a2 and you will have alot more power and torque.
For the price a B16 complete swap should cost you you can have a build Sohc and turbo kit to handle 10-12 PSI daily and run consistent 13 sec passes.

Compare:
3000 - 3200 +/- bucks for a complete b16a2 swap---> run mid 15 sec.

3000 - 3200---> Greddy kit w/ intercooler + some extras + some headwork to handle 10 PSI safelly--->Run mid 13 sec.

yeah, im gonna make this a project.... there is a turbo for a D-Series on thepartstrader.com for 800.....what else would i need? like, what exactly does one need to complete a turbo kit? im thinking the actual manifold itself, intercooler (tho that is optional right? but better?) then what? boost contoller or something? if you know, please enlighten me....i might get that turbo off thepartstrader if thats basically all i'd need, and could run some custom piping...but if i need a bunch more shit, then ill just wait, and buy it piece by piece, and throw it on down the road.

If yuou want to turbo your Sohc you will need:
Basic setup:
*Turbo manifold
*Turbine and down pipe
*Intercooler with necesary pipes(a must, you should not run w/o it even on low boost.Intercoolers usually are not included when you buy a new Turbo kit)
Blow Off Valve(Is important too but a basic turbo kit doesn't comes with it)
*Oil send/return line(Braided are better)
*450cc injectors(Kits usually includes them but if not, you can use Eclipse GST injectors)
*12:1FMU
*Better fuel pump

Extra:(these will increase the turbo life and make things easier for you)
*Turbo timer(It helps the turbo to cool off and doesn't allow oil to stay in the turbine)
*Boost controller(you can up and down the boost from your cabin)
*Some kind of Air/fuel controler(like the AVC-R that allow you to control air and fuel mixtures,it also works as a boost gauge)

You can handle 6-8 PSI safelly (probably up to 10PSI,i know some ppl runing 10 psi on stock internals)on a stock motor(no internal upgrades). However if you want to increase the boost and be safe the most important thing of your internals are the Conecting rods.
Titaniums valves,springs and retainers for a safer higher reving.

Aight..Im proibably missing something but that should be most of it.

Check out the Turbo D16 forums,you'll get alot of valuable info there.

Alright, another turbocharged d16! Hopefully I'll be joining you soon. ;)

Also, I wouldn't even consider the intercooler "optional", yes you could run without it, but you are going to need it eventually. By the way, 2000 could get you a GReddy kit with the intercooler, just shop around, I wouldnt pay much more than that. I think fjt pretty much covered it.

What about taking a turbo out of say a Daytona Shelby Z (Turbo II w/intercooler) and putting it on a D16Z6? Just curious.

Originally posted by piscorpio
Alright, another turbocharged d16! Hopefully I'll be joining you soon. ;)

Also, I wouldn't even consider the intercooler "optional", yes you could run without it, but you are going to need it eventually. By the way, 2000 could get you a GReddy kit with the intercooler, just shop around, I wouldnt pay much more than that. I think fjt pretty much covered it.

When i say that the IC is optional i meant that it doesn't come with the Turbo kits. You have to purchase it appart from what you pay for the kit.

He he If you are patient you can even find a Brand new Greddy kit for 1500 bucks..

What about taking a turbo out of say a Daytona Shelby Z (Turbo II w/intercooler) and putting it on a D16Z6? Just curious.
You can make any turbo from any car to work on your engine. You just need the turbine and a Turbo Manifold that fits your D16.

For example: You can get the Turbo Manifold for your engine and then put a Turbo(turbine) from an Eclipse GST,GSX or from another car. You will need to custom made the piping(that will be cheaper than purchasing a complete kit). Depending on the Size of the Turbine you can keep your AC or loose it if the turbine is bigger.

The bigger the Turbine, the more boost it can handle but also the bigger, the more turbo lag you are going to have. Smaller turbine = less turbo lag.