gettin my monthy itch again

so about once a month i decide im gonna do this but i usually end up making my existing system better. but here is what im thinking now. get a suburban without the third row seats. (2000 or newer). 4 yup count em 4 XXX 15s or 18s and the kick ass amps to push em. what about the Diamond TDX 15s. those are sweet too. anyway, anyone know if a suburban is big enough for 4 18s? how many cubic feet would i be lookin to build? and what about the power? how many thousands of watts? whick amps? what kind of money? im really considering selling my car when i come back from deployment in 8 months and geting the burban. i want window shattering bass (heart stopping). im talkin kill small children and animals bass? just a thought, what do yall think?

I think it's a waste of money and instead of putting $3000 into a part of the system that reproduces less than 20% of the audio spectrum you should put it into the rest of the system so it will actually sound better.

i reallize that the substage is just a small part of a system but big bass makes me happy. do you have a recommendation for me. mids and highs can come later. im just sub curious right now

nope not really, I refuse to promote the ridiculous amount of cars out there that have huge sub systems and sound like complete ass with anything other than rap. :nono:

One day you'll learn....:)

SR20 is a SQ nerd don't listen to him. Get like 4 death penalty 15's and 2 20.1's. Port to 32hz in 16 cubes net firing up with ports up or back.

i cant really help, im still learing about all the high end stuff... but i want to see this if you do it.

I think it's all bullshit...;)

When I see pictures of the Suburban AND Pictures of $5000 cash lying in the passenger seat of it...THEN I'll help ya :)

NG

I think it's all bullshit...;)

When I see pictures of the Suburban AND Pictures of $5000 cash lying in the passenger seat of it...THEN I'll help ya :)

NG

What if he buys with a credit card? :lol:

hmmmm....im with NSGM13....when i see pics of a suburban and proof of cash ill beleive this shit.... 4 XXX18's....my question is...why spend and extra grand on 2 more woofers that will only get you a few dB's louder and just consume more power which means you need more cash in your electrical system.
Chad at ascendnat put 2 Avalanche 18's in an 18cuft net enclsorue tuned real real low and put it in a SUV.... but jsut to play a 25Hz tone and make everything vibrate violently with just barely being able to hear the sound because the ava's have super low distortion.... Chad has weird ideas...

oh.....
http://forum.soundillusions.net/showthread.php?t=48536
Super wangin' :ylsuper: :ylsuper: :ylsuper: :ylsuper:

but it is SPL only....but 4 DP's would kill.... all i can say, if yo uarent BSing... DO IT (starsky and hutch the movie voices)

i was under the assumption that the xxx was a sq sub. ive never heard one but i hear them mentioned all the time in this forum. figured not everyone can be wrong. especially with the audio knowledge in here. as far as getting the suburban and the money, its not a problem. my bank is navy federal credit union, i could go in and get a $30000 max loan right now as an E-4 (paygrade). and with the soldiers and sailors act no bank can charge me more than 6% interest on any kind of loan. of course its not gonna happen for 7 or 8 months because next week im leaving for southeast asia on deployment. should be pretty bad ass. i cant wait to go to japan and check out some of the new developments in car audio over there. maybe ill get some ideas.

hey fryman, i checked out the link. ya hit the nail on the head. that is exactly what i need (well, maybe not need, but definitly want) . but i dont know where to start as far as box building. i dont have the facilities to do it. i live on a ship but i certainly dont want a franchise car audio shop to do it but that is all that is around here. what to do?

hey stang, will 16 cubes fit in the back of a burban without any extensive interior modification. and if there is plenty of room in it, do you think it would be a better idea to go with a smaller vehicle? perhaps something like a 4 runner.

also, would the extra two subs really not make that much of a difference, i mean, i know it would have an audible difference but would i even be able to listen too it that loud. maybe i am over zealous about it. obviously i dont want to spend the extra money if its only going to give me a few extra dbs. and if done right, assuming i hook everything up perfect with the right wiring, the right amps and the right box oh and the alt and batteries (prolly need a couple of em) what kind of numbers do yall believe i could be hitting on the db meter. with 2, 3, or 4 subs.

i know this might seem a little discredible, especially after my thread about the mini cooper. im sure stang remembers that one. man, i really jumped off the deep end there huh. but im honestly not just spitting out bull shit. i really want to do this. its time for a new vehicle. i decided a few days ago that my grand prix just isn't nice enough. dont get me wrong, its in great condition. but it is the low end grand prix, the se model and i just feel like if im gonna have a car that i can bring to a competition i need something with a little extra. the little things that my prix doesnt have. like leather seats for one, and rims instead of hubcaps.

anyway, if you feel like this is BS then dont reply but i you happen to have any info that could be useful to me then feel free. i would appreciate it. once i get the substage figured out i will decide on mids and highs. maybe some 8s to beef up the mids since the lows will be so loud.

I'm not saying it IS BS...I'd just rather not waste my time until it's actually going to come to fruition.

NG

my friend has a 4 woofer system. hes got 4 12" 800W pioneer Subs. 2 of them are always on and the other 2 are switched. so when he pulls up to stops signs or is showing off hits hits that switch, and you can tell the diiference, it vibrastes more and is a bit louder. ive never heard xxx 18's so i dont know if it would be the same case with them. but from what ive read that set up would give you some animal killing bass.

my friend has a 4 woofer system. hes got 4 12" 800W pioneer Subs. 2 of them are always on and the other 2 are switched. so when he pulls up to stops signs or is showing off hits hits that switch, and you can tell the diiference, it vibrastes more and is a bit louder. ive never heard xxx 18's so i dont know if it would be the same case with them. but from what ive read that set up would give you some animal killing bass.

LMAO @ that setup...

NG

lmao, 1 XXX18 would kill 4 shitty pioneer 12's....

oh and the XXX is an SQ oriented sub, but it also gets very loud.... 64mm p2p with a very flat BL. but 4 of them wouldnt be "SQ" in any way....

Rap,huh?I don't like rap.

How about boosting the power for a little Perry Como?Andy Williams even.

is it possible to go huge like this with any particular sub and still get decent sq out of it? what if i did 6 or 8 12s? would that make a difference? anybody know anything about the jugernaut woofer by mmats? my buddy logan tells me they are great and he has done quite a few installs with them but i have never heard them before.

yeah theyre SPL subs from what ive read.. sq prolly wouldnt be great. I would think that a few avalanche 15s ported super low would give you awesome output and good sq still. the problem is, if you dont have retarded amounts of midbass and deadening and some strong clear tweets then you wont have much sq because your music will be to damn bass heavy. i say dont worry about SQ and get 4 DP 15s with 6kwrms or somethin and just prepare to lose all hearing.

if you listen to mostly rap theres no sense in worrying too much about sq. besides, like i said before, youre gonna be into way too much bass for a real sq setup IMO.

buy whatever you want. if you want it loud, a lot of these woofers mentioned will get the job done. youll definately be heard a couple blocks down.

6000w rms for the 4 DP 15"s? http://www.jbl.com/car/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=A6000GTI&ser=GTI&cat=AMP

so is it true the more subs the less SQ? Think for my next system ill go for just 1 RE SX15 and just a pair of RE XXX 6.5" comps for the mid bass and front stage.

though i havent heard a DP, most ocmpare them to DD9500's in SQ and nsgm13 says they arent too far behind 9900's as far as SPL goes...

6000w rms for the 4 DP 15"s? http://www.jbl.com/car/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=A6000GTI&ser=GTI&cat=AMP

so is it true the more subs the less SQ? Think for my next system ill go for just 1 RE SX15 and just a pair of RE XXX 6.5" comps for the mid bass and front stage.


welllll IMO the difference wouldnt be noticable enough to care much about. for me it would be worth the output for an extra driver rather than worrying about any cancellation or minimal difference in bass frequencies.. don tknow what any terms would be (thats sr20s dept.)

besides, if youreTHAT worried about SQ then why are you getting an SX?

Well id get the single SX for suitability for my amp, cost effectiveness, space and its features figuring it was more of a sq sub than a XXX which seemed adequate for my needs, i mean anything wuld b bttr than the crappy pair of 800w pioneers i got at the moment. But now that you mention the avalanche 15" it might also be suitable to run off 900w rms. Like the idea of high output low distortion for a change :redface:

XXX is in no way SPL oriented...neither is the SX...the XXX has a low distortion long stroke motor with flat BL curve....when used properly (like in the XXX) it gives GREAT sq but not just in small movement situations....long stroke situations will also be controlled by the motor, and not the suspension. the SX is a daily woofer that has a decently powerful motor that wont bottom out when you put the power to it, which means as long as the coil isnt moving much in the gap the SX's SQ qill be just that of an XXX. but when it begins to move alot its BL drops off but the XXX's does not, which means the XXX' motor has superior controll and wont "get sloppy."
Think of the XXX as Brahma MKI only less efficient, but with greater power handleing and SPL ability...

Fryman, was that for me or 85GSi?
im assuming him.

but 85GSi, many say the avalanche is superior to the W7 and yeah 900 wrms would be perfect for it.

ok thanks. germanyt is this the sort of system your after? http://forum.soundillusions.net/showthread.php?t=49649

well it happened, i blew both of the p3s. shit. so now i have to get replacements for them before i can sell my car. its crazy too, i had just turned my gain down like a quarter of the way a couple days before and they still blew. i had in my cd called "cars that go boom". it went boom alright, then a puff of smoke came out of my vent and they were done. i had started to smell something like a voice coil but i couldnt' hear anything. boo to bandpass boxes. boo, boo. anyway, right when i could smell it i reach for the volume to turn it down and right when i did that they popped. i turned it all the way down and back up a little after about a minute and it was all rattle from there. guess some of you were right about the punch p3s. that will probably happen when you run 800rms each to 500rms subs and then procede to abuse the shit out of them. oh well, it happens i guess. ive decided ill just fix it and either buy a suburban or a 4 runner. im kinda leanin towards 4 12s. maybe w7s or the mtx thunder 9000s. then there is always the xxx or the death penalty. ive never heard them before though so i probably will not go with them. fuck it, ima just put an mtx jackhammer. 22 inches and 300 pounds of ground rumbling bass, or maybe a parthenon (if i can ever figure out what it is exactly). no, not really. what ever subs i go with will definitly not blow next time. as far as amps. if i go with the 4 mtx thunder 9000s im thinkin probably 4 1/1000 jls with 4 yellow tops in with them. some kind of computer to link all the amps together so they all do everything at the exact same time ( i know it exists but cant think of the name of it) alpine h/u ( the best one they make) jl 4 channel to push the focal mids and highs and another jl slash series amp to push the 8 inch drivers pickin up the mid range. dynamat throughout the entire car ( i mean every square inch) and maybe plexiglass if i start having a problem with the windshield and windows. so that is where i am at. what a great weekend it was. damn rockfords. i guess its my own fault though, trying to get more out of them than they were designed for. oh and the next system will have a sealed enclosure, if my shit starts distorting, i want to hear it. boo bandpass!

well it happened, i blew both of the p3s. shit. so now i have to get replacements for them before i can sell my car. its crazy too, i had just turned my gain down like a quarter of the way a couple days before and they still blew. i had in my cd called "cars that go boom". it went boom alright, then a puff of smoke came out of my vent and they were done. i had started to smell something like a voice coil but i couldnt' hear anything. boo to bandpass boxes. boo, boo. anyway, right when i could smell it i reach for the volume to turn it down and right when i did that they popped. i turned it all the way down and back up a little after about a minute and it was all rattle from there. guess some of you were right about the punch p3s. that will probably happen when you run 800rms each to 500rms subs and then procede to abuse the shit out of them. oh well, it happens i guess. ive decided ill just fix it and either buy a suburban or a 4 runner. im kinda leanin towards 4 12s. maybe w7s or the mtx thunder 9000s. then there is always the xxx or the death penalty. ive never heard them before though so i probably will not go with them. fuck it, ima just put an mtx jackhammer. 22 inches and 300 pounds of ground rumbling bass, or maybe a parthenon (if i can ever figure out what it is exactly). no, not really. what ever subs i go with will definitly not blow next time. as far as amps. if i go with the 4 mtx thunder 9000s im thinkin probably 4 1/1000 jls with 4 yellow tops in with them. some kind of computer to link all the amps together so they all do everything at the exact same time ( i know it exists but cant think of the name of it) alpine h/u ( the best one they make) jl 4 channel to push the focal mids and highs and another jl slash series amp to push the 8 inch drivers pickin up the mid range. dynamat throughout the entire car ( i mean every square inch) and maybe plexiglass if i start having a problem with the windshield and windows. so that is where i am at. what a great weekend it was. damn rockfords. i guess its my own fault though, trying to get more out of them than they were designed for. oh and the next system will have a sealed enclosure, if my shit starts distorting, i want to hear it. boo bandpass!

Well, if you knew anything...you'd know pre-fabbed bandpass SUCK BALLS. LOL...shit happens...

NG

Wanna buy some infinity Kappa Perfects? Ha ha ha!

who said it was a prefab? and no i dont want any kappa perfects. i just sold some of them recently.

who said it was a prefab? and no i dont want any kappa perfects. i just sold some of them recently.

I highly doubt you custom built one to a "tee"...that's why...

NG

after watching This (http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/~pete/media/vid03.wmv) i want a pair of those, although that a fucking HUGE box. that would never fit in my car.

after watching This (http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/~pete/media/vid03.wmv) i want a pair of those, although that a fucking HUGE box. that would never fit in my car.

It's a combination of TL and Horn enclosure I do believe. EXTREMELY hard to design and implement, and as you notice it takes up a lot of space.

Those subwoofers do not need that large of enclosures, they are actually at home in VERY small boxes compared to other 15's. Call or e-mail Ascendant for official recommended specs for the 15's ;)

NG

car toys built it for me jackass. shut your fuckin mouth. what makes you so great?

so that is TL and a horn?
TL+Horn=scary loud

So what do they do run the TL into the throught of the horn?

Dang, that vid was insane... I didn't know that there would be so much displacement in and out of the cabin. It kinda makes that vehicle useless for anything else though :p... but if you have enough money for all the stuff needed for that, just use that truck for touring... crazy.

Dang, that vid was insane... I didn't know that there would be so much displacement in and out of the cabin. It kinda makes that vehicle useless for anything else though :p... but if you have enough money for all the stuff needed for that, just use that truck for touring... crazy.

No, the thing about the design is it has UTTERLY amazing SQ/accuracy...and UTTERLY amazing output ;)

NG

car toys built it for me jackass. shut your fuckin mouth. what makes you so great?

Yeah, like they have the knowledge to actually know what they're doing. HIGHLY doubt they custom designed one properly for your subwoofers...

NG

i would love to have that truck... WOW....