BOX HOGGING - Is It Selfish????
Sticky Fingers
04-18-2005, 08:52 AM
Hi All,
Just beem reading another thread where a guy said he had so many models that if he were to build one a month it would last him into retirement and he's only 30!!!
It just got me thinking that it could be seen as selfish. Not in all situations, however. But I'm thinking of kits which are out of production, kits which people have wanted to build for years.
I'm probably gonna get a roasting for this but I don't see the point of people buying all these kits if they're not gonna build them.
Some people here have shown kits I can only dream about building but are they built? No. They're in a cupboard unbuilt so the owner can gloat that he has them. Why not just f**king build the models?!?!
Bring it on then........
Just beem reading another thread where a guy said he had so many models that if he were to build one a month it would last him into retirement and he's only 30!!!
It just got me thinking that it could be seen as selfish. Not in all situations, however. But I'm thinking of kits which are out of production, kits which people have wanted to build for years.
I'm probably gonna get a roasting for this but I don't see the point of people buying all these kits if they're not gonna build them.
Some people here have shown kits I can only dream about building but are they built? No. They're in a cupboard unbuilt so the owner can gloat that he has them. Why not just f**king build the models?!?!
Bring it on then........
tonioseven
04-18-2005, 08:57 AM
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Just because I can; that is all.:sunglasse Seriously, I had actual plans on building them all however, every so often I get rid of a few kits that I'm pretty sure I won't build. There are members here that can attest to that so I actually share sometimes:p.
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Just because I can; that is all.:sunglasse Seriously, I had actual plans on building them all however, every so often I get rid of a few kits that I'm pretty sure I won't build. There are members here that can attest to that so I actually share sometimes:p.
Sticky Fingers
04-18-2005, 09:01 AM
Yep, as I said. A boaster, a bragger, a show-off call it what you will. Who's gonna build those models when you're dead?
tonioseven
04-18-2005, 09:02 AM
My 2 sons. If they don't, then they can do with them whatever they wish. I have gotten rid of a good portion of the kits and wheels pictured but I figured I'd give you the response you seem to be looking for. :) Oh, for the selfishness, why is is selfish to buy a kit when it's available because I have the means and foresight to know that it probably will be OOP pretty soon? I have some rare kits but hell, I worked hard for the money to buy them so I can do with them whatever I please, correct? :iceslolan
I detect a hint of jealousy here. :uhoh: :rofl:
I detect a hint of jealousy here. :uhoh: :rofl:
Veyron
04-18-2005, 09:06 AM
You are way out of line here.
Yes, I have over 400 unbuilt kits....more than I'll ever be able to build although I bought each one to build.
I have some very rare kits, it is not selfish of me to have them at hand if and when I get ready to build them...selfish no, excessive yes.
And that is my main point, I have kits at hand when I'm ready for them, I don't have to go on a search for them, that is a luxury.
As for rare kits, you have to buy them before they get rare, right? Just because you don't build a rare kit immediately doesn't make it 'selfish' it just means you didn't build it yet.
Yes, I have over 400 unbuilt kits....more than I'll ever be able to build although I bought each one to build.
I have some very rare kits, it is not selfish of me to have them at hand if and when I get ready to build them...selfish no, excessive yes.
And that is my main point, I have kits at hand when I'm ready for them, I don't have to go on a search for them, that is a luxury.
As for rare kits, you have to buy them before they get rare, right? Just because you don't build a rare kit immediately doesn't make it 'selfish' it just means you didn't build it yet.
73superduty
04-18-2005, 09:16 AM
I'm going to have to agree. Outta line.
You have to buy these kits when they are available. If not you'll kick yourself later when you want to build one.
I'm like anyone else. If you have the money and you want the kit then buy it. My every intention is to build the kit, but I may not get to it.
I'm not sure I see the problem here.
Sometimes, I buy two of any certain model. Kind of like the Ferrari 550/575 that will be coming out. I plan on buying two of each.
Chris
You have to buy these kits when they are available. If not you'll kick yourself later when you want to build one.
I'm like anyone else. If you have the money and you want the kit then buy it. My every intention is to build the kit, but I may not get to it.
I'm not sure I see the problem here.
Sometimes, I buy two of any certain model. Kind of like the Ferrari 550/575 that will be coming out. I plan on buying two of each.
Chris
SupaMan89T
04-18-2005, 09:25 AM
i sorta agree with him and then i sorta dont.I wonder if the reason why i cant get a certain kit is because you guys already have them all,but then i think it is your money and your life,but then i get mad because i cant get these kits i want.Im so cunfused(sp?) on my thoughts right now.
And tonio your damn right im jealous of your stash :sunglasse
And tonio your damn right im jealous of your stash :sunglasse
ATMDC
04-18-2005, 09:29 AM
i dont think its selfish, its just a matter of they got them first, and i'm sure if you really wanted the kit that bad you could offer a trade or a fine price and it will be yours to boast over, no?
sjelic
04-18-2005, 09:34 AM
I can only say: "I wish I have as many kits as Tonio has, then I would be truly happy :D"
I am at beggining with only 30+ on my stock :(
I am at beggining with only 30+ on my stock :(
bigfrit
04-18-2005, 10:01 AM
I ve got kits, many and few in every respect and compared to different builders.
And If I could I d get more models, but hey, if I were to have 1000 real cars, would that be considered selfish? no, you would be a collector, and so what if you don't drive them around, fuck it!
buy kits, keep them, build them, I don't care, actually.
Just buy and build whatever you want, and as always, -and most modelers disagreeing with your post will agree- the more the merrier !
Oli
And If I could I d get more models, but hey, if I were to have 1000 real cars, would that be considered selfish? no, you would be a collector, and so what if you don't drive them around, fuck it!
buy kits, keep them, build them, I don't care, actually.
Just buy and build whatever you want, and as always, -and most modelers disagreeing with your post will agree- the more the merrier !
Oli
ZoomZoomMX-5
04-18-2005, 10:27 AM
I have well over 1000 kits (I've been buying and not keeping up since 1981). All bought when I found them at reasonable/current prices. All intending to get built. Only a few rare ones purchased over Ebay or achieved through trades (like a stock Marui Pantera via Ebay and a Corrado through a trade).
I laugh when I see someone cry over not having a particular model as if someone hoarded it so they couldn't get it. It's only a model. It's only a model. It's only a model.
I have enough models to last me until I'm 325 years old. :biggrin:
I would love to be able to get my kit stash down to a solid "top 100" or so. But I can't :crying: ! And these damned model companies keep coming up with new stuff I just have to have! :evillol:
I do sell/trade models from time to time, but the stack never seems to shrink.
I laugh when I see someone cry over not having a particular model as if someone hoarded it so they couldn't get it. It's only a model. It's only a model. It's only a model.
I have enough models to last me until I'm 325 years old. :biggrin:
I would love to be able to get my kit stash down to a solid "top 100" or so. But I can't :crying: ! And these damned model companies keep coming up with new stuff I just have to have! :evillol:
I do sell/trade models from time to time, but the stack never seems to shrink.
Eric Cole
04-18-2005, 10:29 AM
It's a hobby.... part of the hobby is buying and collecting just as much as building is a part of the hobby. I have a few hundred kits in my stash and yes there are kit's I want and don't have. Yes they are hard to get becsase they've been "collected" by other collectors. But the reality of it is if you want it bad enough you can get it. You have to be willing to pay for it but if it was ever made you can buy it on ebay or will be able to eventually if you watch out for it.
But the way, I'm not really a collector per say. I have all intentions of building my models. They are all opened so I could gaze at the parts inside. Collecting happens by default when you buy faster than you build.
Does the same selfishness apply to people who collect Hotwheels, stamps, shot glasses, etc..., etc...? Collecting in itself is a hobby. The searching, finding and collecting is part of the fun!!
But the way, I'm not really a collector per say. I have all intentions of building my models. They are all opened so I could gaze at the parts inside. Collecting happens by default when you buy faster than you build.
Does the same selfishness apply to people who collect Hotwheels, stamps, shot glasses, etc..., etc...? Collecting in itself is a hobby. The searching, finding and collecting is part of the fun!!
willimo
04-18-2005, 10:38 AM
Some people collect, that's their bag.
But really, I think I can speak for anyone here at AF since we are a building community when I say: We intend to build all of them! I have about 30 kits, and it is my entire intention to build all of them; every last one of them. I, unfortunately, like many folks, have model ADD and also put so much work into construction of each model, that I find models I want faster than I can put them together. That's not my fault. There are kits that I would love to have but cannot because they are in someone's stash. All I can do about that is remain vigilant on eBay and at shows and hope I find one that is getting relinquished for whatever reason.
Just because you can't have it doesn't mean no one can have it. You are whining like me when I see some underappreciative frat guy driving an S2000 just to pick up chicks with - I feel your pain, but really, what can you do besides buck up and wait to get the prize for yourself?
But really, I think I can speak for anyone here at AF since we are a building community when I say: We intend to build all of them! I have about 30 kits, and it is my entire intention to build all of them; every last one of them. I, unfortunately, like many folks, have model ADD and also put so much work into construction of each model, that I find models I want faster than I can put them together. That's not my fault. There are kits that I would love to have but cannot because they are in someone's stash. All I can do about that is remain vigilant on eBay and at shows and hope I find one that is getting relinquished for whatever reason.
Just because you can't have it doesn't mean no one can have it. You are whining like me when I see some underappreciative frat guy driving an S2000 just to pick up chicks with - I feel your pain, but really, what can you do besides buck up and wait to get the prize for yourself?
DoubleFourValve
04-18-2005, 10:55 AM
As I see it, no one is fighting for "bragging" rights for the kits it has in stock. I have around 350 unbuilt kits now (sorry for putting it so bluntely, but the subject requires it), don't now if some are rare (OOP, for sure), but then again, I buy what I like, when I can.
I'm not trying to make money out of this (on the contrary...) and I can't see a single good reason to stop buying what I like, when I like it. Some were cheap, some were damn expensive, and I´m glad I have any single of them.
As for building them, that's a different matter. I intend to build every one (and I´m in my 40's) but I'm not worried a bit about it. Last time I saw, this was a hobby.
Unless someone wants to propose a federal law on the built Vs unbuilt ratio of kits.
This was a few monthes ago:
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If you see something interesting, I´ll be happy to share my interests with you. :-)
I'm not trying to make money out of this (on the contrary...) and I can't see a single good reason to stop buying what I like, when I like it. Some were cheap, some were damn expensive, and I´m glad I have any single of them.
As for building them, that's a different matter. I intend to build every one (and I´m in my 40's) but I'm not worried a bit about it. Last time I saw, this was a hobby.
Unless someone wants to propose a federal law on the built Vs unbuilt ratio of kits.
This was a few monthes ago:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04142-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04144-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04148-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04149-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04150-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04151-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04152-med.JPG
If you see something interesting, I´ll be happy to share my interests with you. :-)
SchuberT
04-18-2005, 11:00 AM
Oh, for the selfishness, why is is selfish to buy a kit when it's available because I have the means and foresight to know that it probably will be OOP pretty soon?
Please share your philosophy with my dad! He doesn't know the meaning of "out of production". That's exactly the reason why I have no unbuilt kits. I'd love to have the kits I like before they are discontinued, but it's hard convincing a father who thinks that was his mistake.
Honestly, I don't see a huge inventory of kits as a selfish thing. It may be selfish to go on ebay and buy out every auction for rare kits just so you can say you have them, with no intention of building any of them. But then, that's the definition of a collector...... so even that can't really be a selfish act.
Joking/boasting about how many kits people have is really a modeling pasttime if you ask me. It's not so much a sign of status, but a sign of how involved you actually are. Just because you don't have 200+ models, though, doesn't mean that you aren't involved, it just means you don't have the sickness, if you will.
Please share your philosophy with my dad! He doesn't know the meaning of "out of production". That's exactly the reason why I have no unbuilt kits. I'd love to have the kits I like before they are discontinued, but it's hard convincing a father who thinks that was his mistake.
Honestly, I don't see a huge inventory of kits as a selfish thing. It may be selfish to go on ebay and buy out every auction for rare kits just so you can say you have them, with no intention of building any of them. But then, that's the definition of a collector...... so even that can't really be a selfish act.
Joking/boasting about how many kits people have is really a modeling pasttime if you ask me. It's not so much a sign of status, but a sign of how involved you actually are. Just because you don't have 200+ models, though, doesn't mean that you aren't involved, it just means you don't have the sickness, if you will.
mickbench
04-18-2005, 11:10 AM
I've only been building models since December 2004. I've got 20 kits already. The kits are of cars I like, and I intend to build them all. I've actually got two CLK Sportswears, and 2 modena 360 kits, and I intend on buying another enzo, and I've just ordered another Impreza WRC.
I buy 5 kits on average a month at the moment, and this HAS got to stop. And it will stop, as I see no reason to keep buying them like this, eyes see them I want them, but I can't build them that fast...
Oh - and I've brought an extra Skyline kit to replace a body I ruined. I just got carried away, I've got enough kits to last me the whole year..!!
Oh, and yes some folks are collectors.. You can't hold that against them.. They just like to see a collection grow and grow. I've not got a problem with it.. Some even collect, to then sell a few years down the line, to then collect something else or make a profit.. You can't blame them for it, it's all about supply and demand..!! Collect and selling, it's what some folks do, and this is their hobby..!!
I buy 5 kits on average a month at the moment, and this HAS got to stop. And it will stop, as I see no reason to keep buying them like this, eyes see them I want them, but I can't build them that fast...
Oh - and I've brought an extra Skyline kit to replace a body I ruined. I just got carried away, I've got enough kits to last me the whole year..!!
Oh, and yes some folks are collectors.. You can't hold that against them.. They just like to see a collection grow and grow. I've not got a problem with it.. Some even collect, to then sell a few years down the line, to then collect something else or make a profit.. You can't blame them for it, it's all about supply and demand..!! Collect and selling, it's what some folks do, and this is their hobby..!!
malsheem
04-18-2005, 11:18 AM
First off, I don't think anyone here is selfish of box hogging. I think everyone here buys with the intent to build, but as pointed out by willimo, for most build speed is far slower than buy speed.
Secondly, I operate under the buy it now because it will be OOP soon mentality (like tonioseven and others), and we never know if/when a manufacturer will re-release a kit. So I might get multiple kits or kits that might just be a passing fancy in my building cycle. Better safe than sorry. As a result rarely do I find myself looking for a kit, wheel set, p/e parts, etc that I want but I don't have (with the exception of items that were made before I started modeling).
If you want to call that selfish, then label me up. I'm cool with that.
Secondly, I operate under the buy it now because it will be OOP soon mentality (like tonioseven and others), and we never know if/when a manufacturer will re-release a kit. So I might get multiple kits or kits that might just be a passing fancy in my building cycle. Better safe than sorry. As a result rarely do I find myself looking for a kit, wheel set, p/e parts, etc that I want but I don't have (with the exception of items that were made before I started modeling).
If you want to call that selfish, then label me up. I'm cool with that.
generationx
04-18-2005, 11:57 AM
I tend to buy kits for a number of (I think good) reasons:
(1) It's a subject that interests me
(2) It's part of a project/conversion
(3) It's a rarity and too good an opportunity to pass
(4) Good old Spur Of The Moment
So this means I have 40+ kits having been bought over the last 15 years, and a VERY low output due to time constraints. I fully intend to build them all, it'll just be a while...
(1) It's a subject that interests me
(2) It's part of a project/conversion
(3) It's a rarity and too good an opportunity to pass
(4) Good old Spur Of The Moment
So this means I have 40+ kits having been bought over the last 15 years, and a VERY low output due to time constraints. I fully intend to build them all, it'll just be a while...
DSM-Mark
04-18-2005, 12:07 PM
What I'm always amazed about is that you guys with 100+ models seem to be excited about every one. When I go to a LHS, there's maybe 2 or 3 out of 50 that I'd really like to build. There's definitely some choice kits in your stashes, but quite often I look at your room full of models, and 75% of them I have no interest in building, let alone spending $20 - $45 just to put them on a shelf, reallizing I probably won't ever build it.
True to this, I have about 25 models to be built, and I'm interested in pretty much every one.
True to this, I have about 25 models to be built, and I'm interested in pretty much every one.
drunken monkey
04-18-2005, 12:45 PM
i don't mind people collecting excessively....
as i have to admit that i am a bit of an obsessive myself.
don't blame the consumers for the manufacturers not producing more.
the people who get up my nose are those who are in it purely for the money and drive up the prices un-neccesarily.
as i have to admit that i am a bit of an obsessive myself.
don't blame the consumers for the manufacturers not producing more.
the people who get up my nose are those who are in it purely for the money and drive up the prices un-neccesarily.
CADguy
04-18-2005, 03:26 PM
"Hello, my name is Matt, and I'm a model box hogger."
Whew, it felt good to get that off my chest. Go ahead everyone with more than 1 kit at your disposal, do it, testify, and you too shall be saved. :)
There is a secret society whose primary goal is to collect rare and valuable kits to keep them out of the hands of "sticky fingers". We have finally broke him, and he is cracking. Mission accomplished.. :)
Seriously though, collecting comes second to building. I'm pushing 300 kits now, and have the intent to build them all. It should only take 15 years at my current building rate. I'm only 31, so it's an attainable goal. If I don't get to them right away, they are not going to sour like a gallon of milk. They will be patiently waiting for me.
Whew, it felt good to get that off my chest. Go ahead everyone with more than 1 kit at your disposal, do it, testify, and you too shall be saved. :)
There is a secret society whose primary goal is to collect rare and valuable kits to keep them out of the hands of "sticky fingers". We have finally broke him, and he is cracking. Mission accomplished.. :)
Seriously though, collecting comes second to building. I'm pushing 300 kits now, and have the intent to build them all. It should only take 15 years at my current building rate. I'm only 31, so it's an attainable goal. If I don't get to them right away, they are not going to sour like a gallon of milk. They will be patiently waiting for me.
mike@af
04-18-2005, 04:14 PM
I have well over 1000 kits
Holy shit. When I talked to you about Wayne and Brian's stash you said you had a lot...but 1000, you are the new local Hobby Town.
Anyway, box hoarding is collecting. Most of the time the guys are really nice about there collection, if you have been dying to find something all you need to do is ask. I was talking to Bob (ZoomZoom) about the Black Force, and he offered his up. But its collecting, and hoping to build.
Holy shit. When I talked to you about Wayne and Brian's stash you said you had a lot...but 1000, you are the new local Hobby Town.
Anyway, box hoarding is collecting. Most of the time the guys are really nice about there collection, if you have been dying to find something all you need to do is ask. I was talking to Bob (ZoomZoom) about the Black Force, and he offered his up. But its collecting, and hoping to build.
primera man
04-18-2005, 04:16 PM
No big deal for me if people box hog models. I have a large collection to build that i know i'll never get around to building but still buy them because its MY HOBBY and its what i enjoy doing.
2.2 Straight six
04-18-2005, 04:19 PM
i openly admit that i'm very jealous of the collections some guys have, but it have to give them credit for getting those kits (especially the rare ones) but rule of life: first come, first served. so if they bout a kit you want then its out of your control, i only have 2 kits waiting to be built, its no different than having 200 or even 2000. if they want it they can keep it, sorry but its not right for us to put pressure on them to sell something they dont want to, i want an alfa romeo 155 V6 model, but i have to search, if someone has one and they dont want to part with it then im fine with that (but if you do have one i'm still jealous) but that's just life. its like someone having a collection of rare vintage road cars, garaged and not being used. if you want one then you gotts find one, we can't expect them to give up their possessions because we want them to.
Bas Carwash
04-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Well, I'm not a box hogger! I have about 5 cars in stock and four in progress. If people like to collect the kits, so be it! If they intend to built all the kits they buy, they're fooling themselves! Every time a new kit comes out I want to buy it, but I don't. I always wait until I have a brilliant idea with it. As soon as there is a model I would like to built, I don't have to worry about the fact that I have X times 100 models laying around that should be built some day too...
my :2cents::
A lot of money isn't gonna make you happy, it's just handy to have it around sometimes. Same thing for models :D
my :2cents::
A lot of money isn't gonna make you happy, it's just handy to have it around sometimes. Same thing for models :D
jswillmon
04-18-2005, 04:36 PM
Some people collect things that you can only look at, like baseball cards, figurines, diecast, or beanie babies. We choose to collect things that you can build yourself in as many diffrent variations as you can imagine(Hence collecting multiple of the same kit).
There is nothing greedy about this, especally since you constantly see the classified section showing some of our bigger collectors selling 10 to 20 kits and sets of wheels. Plus, If you see a kit in someone's collection that you absoultly have to have, there is a 80 - 90 % chance that you can work out a deal with that person..... that is assuming that you have enough kits stockpiled to make a deal :rofl:
There is nothing greedy about this, especally since you constantly see the classified section showing some of our bigger collectors selling 10 to 20 kits and sets of wheels. Plus, If you see a kit in someone's collection that you absoultly have to have, there is a 80 - 90 % chance that you can work out a deal with that person..... that is assuming that you have enough kits stockpiled to make a deal :rofl:
willimo
04-18-2005, 04:52 PM
If they intend to built all the kits they buy, they're fooling themselves! Every time a new kit comes out I want to buy it, but I don't. I always wait until I have a brilliant idea with it.
Some of us just have that many brilliant ideas....
Just kidding (or am I?)
I don't think we all believe we are going to build every last kit in our collection, but we certainly might build any one of them at any time, which is essentially just the same thing if you think about it.
Some of us just have that many brilliant ideas....
Just kidding (or am I?)
I don't think we all believe we are going to build every last kit in our collection, but we certainly might build any one of them at any time, which is essentially just the same thing if you think about it.
AstroRide44
04-18-2005, 05:23 PM
hey tonio, let me know were u live so i can come and rob ur house.
Veyron
04-18-2005, 05:27 PM
I decided I'm leaving this world in a styrene casket with resin handles rolling on 19" wheel sets...none of you bastages are getting my stash! :icon16: :smokin:
BMW dude
04-18-2005, 06:08 PM
:eek2: wow u guy got so much unbuilt kits...... i wish i were u guys..... i only got about 20 unbuilt kits in my room and my mom already drive me nut.
Amazon
04-18-2005, 06:12 PM
I can`t see why someone is jealous because someone else has that OOP-kit(s). Hell, there are plenty of other subjects to build!! Use your imagination!
I have about150 boxes, and i tell you, most have been opened/molested/ donated parts, but each and every one was, when i stood there at the LHS, meant to be a finished model. That´s the thought not only for me, but i think for the majority here.
But some kits, you loose interrest 10 minutes after starting it, others are halfway-to-finished e.t.c.
But i see them as my 1:24/25 scrapyard,parts donors! And i`ll happily swap with my modelling friends if they see a kit/part they want. Hell , i`ll give it to them if they really want it! And i think thats true for most modelers, unless you ask if they can give you that OOP-since the stoneage kit ;)
Stop whining, start gluing!! ;) ;)
I have about150 boxes, and i tell you, most have been opened/molested/ donated parts, but each and every one was, when i stood there at the LHS, meant to be a finished model. That´s the thought not only for me, but i think for the majority here.
But some kits, you loose interrest 10 minutes after starting it, others are halfway-to-finished e.t.c.
But i see them as my 1:24/25 scrapyard,parts donors! And i`ll happily swap with my modelling friends if they see a kit/part they want. Hell , i`ll give it to them if they really want it! And i think thats true for most modelers, unless you ask if they can give you that OOP-since the stoneage kit ;)
Stop whining, start gluing!! ;) ;)
Macdaddy4738
04-18-2005, 06:57 PM
if someone has money to spend on 350, 500, 900, 1000...infinity kits then by all means let them waste their cash!! Theres no way they can ever build that many anyways so whats the point complaining?
as for the OOP kits...who cares? Its not that big of a deal either
as for the OOP kits...who cares? Its not that big of a deal either
Flea
04-18-2005, 07:38 PM
it's a hobby! ... heh don't have the number some of these guys (and girls) have .. but when i buy a kit .. i almost always buy 2 of them at least if there is enough there ... because i have had to many times in the past either a peice was missing or i mess up on a part and would kill to have a replacement later on ... so 99% of the extra boxes i have .. have had a part or two pulled out of them already ...
dont think of mine as unopened .. think of it as a junk yard.
dont think of mine as unopened .. think of it as a junk yard.
RallyRaider
04-18-2005, 08:09 PM
Rare kits have to be bought, you never know when you might need it. ;) If you wait it will be gone into somebody elses stash!
druid_99
04-18-2005, 09:02 PM
I don't see that building a model as a waste of money. I sold my models after I've build them (some of them).
I do have a few unbuild models in my room, not as much as the other guys but combined with my brothers', it can fill out my LHS (which is not that big :lol: ). I buy them all to be build and some of them are rare and I will also build them, but I will only build them when I feel that I have perfected all my builds.
I am a very slow builder (1 model per year, maybe 2 or 3 the most) and I love to build my models with a lot of patience and build it as perfect as possible. If I rush things, I tend to break parts and ruin my paintworks :iceslolan .
I do have a few unbuild models in my room, not as much as the other guys but combined with my brothers', it can fill out my LHS (which is not that big :lol: ). I buy them all to be build and some of them are rare and I will also build them, but I will only build them when I feel that I have perfected all my builds.
I am a very slow builder (1 model per year, maybe 2 or 3 the most) and I love to build my models with a lot of patience and build it as perfect as possible. If I rush things, I tend to break parts and ruin my paintworks :iceslolan .
Honoturtle
04-18-2005, 10:47 PM
:lol: :lol: I'll be honest.... I have too many kits for myself! I've been fooling around with models for the past 7 years, and what can I say I enjoy it! For the past couple of months I've been resisting purchasing new models (with the exception of a 1946 Ford Woody and 1950 Ford P/U which I got for $10 all together), but that 1967 Chevelle at the local Wal Mart is getting quite tempting :biggrin:. This is a hobby, and if purchasing models is your passion I don't see why anyone should stop you.
I don't think it's selfish to purchase models that you think you might not get to. When I created my stockpile, I usually purchase models that really interest me, or one's that are on sale. If I'm afraid that I can't obtain a particular kit, I would list it in our classifieds first. If I can't obtain it, so be it.
Not trying to attack what you originally said, but just stating what I think about it.
I don't think it's selfish to purchase models that you think you might not get to. When I created my stockpile, I usually purchase models that really interest me, or one's that are on sale. If I'm afraid that I can't obtain a particular kit, I would list it in our classifieds first. If I can't obtain it, so be it.
Not trying to attack what you originally said, but just stating what I think about it.
hirofkd
04-19-2005, 12:50 AM
Yep, as I said. A boaster, a bragger, a show-off call it what you will. Who's gonna build those models when you're dead?
You can buy as many as some of us, the boasters. :) (Yes, I have a few hundred, myself, too) But you know, a steady full time job is all you need, and you should do that BEFORE YOU GET MARRIED. Remember, before you find a girl. That's the trick. ;)
You can buy as many as some of us, the boasters. :) (Yes, I have a few hundred, myself, too) But you know, a steady full time job is all you need, and you should do that BEFORE YOU GET MARRIED. Remember, before you find a girl. That's the trick. ;)
Verminator
04-19-2005, 08:14 AM
I notice no reply from the originator of this thread! I quess the reaction may not be as he expected. Or does he like rubbing people up the wrong way?
SupaMan89T
04-19-2005, 08:32 AM
I notice no reply from the originator of this thread! I quess the reaction may not be as he expected. Or does he like rubbing people up the wrong way?
i dont think he was doing it to piss ppl off i can see where he is coming from and i can see where everybody else is coming from he knew the thread was gonna be like this so he prolly doesnt even have to look at it to know what was said.
i dont think he was doing it to piss ppl off i can see where he is coming from and i can see where everybody else is coming from he knew the thread was gonna be like this so he prolly doesnt even have to look at it to know what was said.
Sticky Fingers
04-19-2005, 08:43 AM
There is a secret society whose primary goal is to collect rare and valuable kits to keep them out of the hands of "sticky fingers". We have finally broke him, and he is cracking. Mission accomplished.. :)
:rofl:
i dont think he was doing it to piss ppl off i can see where he is coming from and i can see where everybody else is coming from he knew the thread was gonna be like this so he prolly doesnt even have to look at it to know what was said.
I have read every single reply and you're right Supaman, I KNEW people were gonna be like this. You all have a right to 'collect' boxes of unbuilt kits and take them to your graves. I, too, have a right..... my personal opinion.
:rofl:
i dont think he was doing it to piss ppl off i can see where he is coming from and i can see where everybody else is coming from he knew the thread was gonna be like this so he prolly doesnt even have to look at it to know what was said.
I have read every single reply and you're right Supaman, I KNEW people were gonna be like this. You all have a right to 'collect' boxes of unbuilt kits and take them to your graves. I, too, have a right..... my personal opinion.
CamaroSSBoy346
04-19-2005, 06:14 PM
As I see it, no one is fighting for "bragging" rights for the kits it has in stock. I have around 350 unbuilt kits now (sorry for putting it so bluntely, but the subject requires it), don't now if some are rare (OOP, for sure), but then again, I buy what I like, when I can.
I'm not trying to make money out of this (on the contrary...) and I can't see a single good reason to stop buying what I like, when I like it. Some were cheap, some were damn expensive, and I´m glad I have any single of them.
As for building them, that's a different matter. I intend to build every one (and I´m in my 40's) but I'm not worried a bit about it. Last time I saw, this was a hobby.
Unless someone wants to propose a federal law on the built Vs unbuilt ratio of kits.
This was a few monthes ago:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04142-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04144-med.JPG
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http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04149-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04150-med.JPG
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http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04152-med.JPG
If you see something interesting, I´ll be happy to share my interests with you. :-)
BAAH! You have the 92 (Or 93?) Thunderbird SC! Lucky bastard.
I'm not trying to make money out of this (on the contrary...) and I can't see a single good reason to stop buying what I like, when I like it. Some were cheap, some were damn expensive, and I´m glad I have any single of them.
As for building them, that's a different matter. I intend to build every one (and I´m in my 40's) but I'm not worried a bit about it. Last time I saw, this was a hobby.
Unless someone wants to propose a federal law on the built Vs unbuilt ratio of kits.
This was a few monthes ago:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04142-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04144-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04148-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04149-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04150-med.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04151-med.JPG[/img]
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/502/121073DSC04152-med.JPG
If you see something interesting, I´ll be happy to share my interests with you. :-)
BAAH! You have the 92 (Or 93?) Thunderbird SC! Lucky bastard.
drunken monkey
04-19-2005, 07:42 PM
has it ever occured to you that by having people who buy and preserve those kits, that people in the future have a chance of messing around with them?
how many times have you seen some hapless mum buy a kit for their child knowing that it's gone to waste?
anyway, you are making an assumption that all those who buy in mass don't build in mass.
so he may not ever get to build all of them himself but why does that automatically mean that when's popped it, those kits will suddenly disappear?
the way i see it, you are just jealous and am unwilling admit it, hence making it into a statement of opinion on which no-one can really argue against (it being an opinion and all that).
little question, if you had the opportunity to buy those kits, would you just buy the one that you can build before buying the next one?
how many times have you seen some hapless mum buy a kit for their child knowing that it's gone to waste?
anyway, you are making an assumption that all those who buy in mass don't build in mass.
so he may not ever get to build all of them himself but why does that automatically mean that when's popped it, those kits will suddenly disappear?
the way i see it, you are just jealous and am unwilling admit it, hence making it into a statement of opinion on which no-one can really argue against (it being an opinion and all that).
little question, if you had the opportunity to buy those kits, would you just buy the one that you can build before buying the next one?
Fkouch
04-19-2005, 08:26 PM
the way i see it, you are just jealous and am unwilling admit it, hence making it into a statement of opinion on which no-one can really argue against (it being an opinion and all that).
little question, if you had the opportunity to buy those kits, would you just buy the one that you can build before buying the next one?
Thats probably true, but the flipside is that a lot of 'hoarders' just can't admit that they are going too far. Yes,its a hobby and yes, its your money but if you physically can't stop yourself from buying something then you're in trouble.
I personally believe this is a touchy subject because alot of the 'hoarders' hear this all the time from friends/family and its cut a bit too close to the bone.
Now I know this is no real vindication but if you asked the average Joe what they thought of someone who had 400+ unbuilt kits and built about 3-4 a year I know what I'd hear. Lets be honest, modelling isn't exactly the coolest of hobbies and having that many kits just pushs it into an obsession and an unhealthy one in most cases.
Don't get me wrong I know exactly how easy it is to start a hoard, especially since everything gets rare and expensive incredibly quickly if you don't snap it up quick. I had to stop at about 20 kits because my proportion of built kits to unbuilt ones was increasing rapidly in the wrong direction!
Internet forums however are not normally a good place to get a fair indication of right or wrong because the general view is normally way too biased towards the subject of the forum.
Of course most people on this forum will disagree with Stickfingers and stick up for thier hobby and say its their life and they can do whatever they want, but sometimes you have to justify things to yourself. If you can, fair play to you, but if most people on these boards were honest, they'd admit they spend WAY too much money on this hobby.
I know I do. ;)
Cheers
Farrokh
little question, if you had the opportunity to buy those kits, would you just buy the one that you can build before buying the next one?
Thats probably true, but the flipside is that a lot of 'hoarders' just can't admit that they are going too far. Yes,its a hobby and yes, its your money but if you physically can't stop yourself from buying something then you're in trouble.
I personally believe this is a touchy subject because alot of the 'hoarders' hear this all the time from friends/family and its cut a bit too close to the bone.
Now I know this is no real vindication but if you asked the average Joe what they thought of someone who had 400+ unbuilt kits and built about 3-4 a year I know what I'd hear. Lets be honest, modelling isn't exactly the coolest of hobbies and having that many kits just pushs it into an obsession and an unhealthy one in most cases.
Don't get me wrong I know exactly how easy it is to start a hoard, especially since everything gets rare and expensive incredibly quickly if you don't snap it up quick. I had to stop at about 20 kits because my proportion of built kits to unbuilt ones was increasing rapidly in the wrong direction!
Internet forums however are not normally a good place to get a fair indication of right or wrong because the general view is normally way too biased towards the subject of the forum.
Of course most people on this forum will disagree with Stickfingers and stick up for thier hobby and say its their life and they can do whatever they want, but sometimes you have to justify things to yourself. If you can, fair play to you, but if most people on these boards were honest, they'd admit they spend WAY too much money on this hobby.
I know I do. ;)
Cheers
Farrokh
tonioseven
04-19-2005, 08:33 PM
hey tonio, let me know were u live so i can come and rob ur house.
:uhoh: I..uh..live next to...ah...uh :evillol:
:uhoh: I..uh..live next to...ah...uh :evillol:
bigfrit
04-19-2005, 08:34 PM
Quote;
but if most people on these boards were honest, they'd admit they spend WAY too much money on this hobby.
/quote
If most people on this board were honest, they d admit they 'd spend way too much money on their significant other too, eh!
Oli
but if most people on these boards were honest, they'd admit they spend WAY too much money on this hobby.
/quote
If most people on this board were honest, they d admit they 'd spend way too much money on their significant other too, eh!
Oli
willimo
04-19-2005, 08:40 PM
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Cheers
Farrokh
I don't think you're in trouble, or spending unhealthily, unless you cannot put food on your table or light your home or you get evicted or cannot pay your bills... fortunately, this is a hobby driven by people who are attentive to details, so that sort of thing won't escape our attention, and model spending, and kit, hoarding, won't spiral out of control as you make it out to.
To be fair, this is a pretty cheap hobby. When is the last time you went down to track day at the racetrack closest to you? Let's see, $250 admission to the course, $100 on new brake pads (and possibly machining the rotors for another $75), $300 (at least) worth of tires burned up, plus fuel (racing fuel, more expensive, $40?), lunch $10, and beers for bench racing in the evening $50. Total: $750-$825 for one day that happens twice a month! Plus, let's not forget, the car and all the parts and the safety equipment, insurance....
It's just plastic for God's sake!
Cheers
Farrokh
I don't think you're in trouble, or spending unhealthily, unless you cannot put food on your table or light your home or you get evicted or cannot pay your bills... fortunately, this is a hobby driven by people who are attentive to details, so that sort of thing won't escape our attention, and model spending, and kit, hoarding, won't spiral out of control as you make it out to.
To be fair, this is a pretty cheap hobby. When is the last time you went down to track day at the racetrack closest to you? Let's see, $250 admission to the course, $100 on new brake pads (and possibly machining the rotors for another $75), $300 (at least) worth of tires burned up, plus fuel (racing fuel, more expensive, $40?), lunch $10, and beers for bench racing in the evening $50. Total: $750-$825 for one day that happens twice a month! Plus, let's not forget, the car and all the parts and the safety equipment, insurance....
It's just plastic for God's sake!
drunken monkey
04-19-2005, 08:46 PM
i might've mentioned this before but i'm a little obssessive about things anyway and have been collecting one thing or another for a long time.
this is why i am aware of how this collecting thing works.
ten years ago, issue 1 of certain comics were commanding vast premiums purely because of speculation but that was how it was, pay the money if you can or lose it forever.
around the 3rd/4th edition of magic the gathering the prices for the older editions of cards were going sky high because of tournements and rarity and again, speculation/market but that was how it was; pay up or miss out.
once again, the problem isn't because people buy too much;
the problem is that the manufacturers dont make enough.
this is why i am aware of how this collecting thing works.
ten years ago, issue 1 of certain comics were commanding vast premiums purely because of speculation but that was how it was, pay the money if you can or lose it forever.
around the 3rd/4th edition of magic the gathering the prices for the older editions of cards were going sky high because of tournements and rarity and again, speculation/market but that was how it was; pay up or miss out.
once again, the problem isn't because people buy too much;
the problem is that the manufacturers dont make enough.
MPWR
04-19-2005, 08:48 PM
Thats probably true, but the flipside is that a lot of 'hoarders' just can't admit that they are going too far. Yes,its a hobby and yes, its your money but if you physically can't stop yourself from buying something then you're in trouble.
Now I know this is no real vindication but if you asked the average Joe what they thought of someone who had 400+ unbuilt kits and built about 3-4 a year I know what I'd hear. Lets be honest, modelling isn't exactly the coolest of hobbies and having that many kits just pushs it into an obsession and an unhealthy one in most cases.
Internet forums however are not normally a good place to get a fair indication of right or wrong because the general view is normally way too biased towards the subject of the forum.
Of course most people on this forum will disagree with Stickfingers and stick up for thier hobby and say its their life and they can do whatever they want, but sometimes you have to justify things to yourself. If you can, fair play to you, but if most people on these boards were honest, they'd admit they spend WAY too much money on this hobby.
I know I do. ;)
Cheers
Farrokh
Wow, you speak of modeling as though it's an unsafe or unhealthy activity. While there may be one or two compulsive kit buyers here, generally there's nothing wrong with having a large stash- even one so large as you can't realisticly build in your lifetime. If you enjoy having them, and can aford them, then why the hell not? It's like saying owning a 1:1 Ferrari is unhealthy or wrong, because it's much more expensive than you would spend on anormal car, and most people don't have acess to somewhere to drive it to it's full potential. If you really like having it in your garage (even if you never drive it), and can afford it, enjoy!
People, there are much, much worse ways we could be spending our time and disposable income. If plastic modeling is really a problem for you, you probably have a number of other more significant issues you need to deal with as well.
Now I know this is no real vindication but if you asked the average Joe what they thought of someone who had 400+ unbuilt kits and built about 3-4 a year I know what I'd hear. Lets be honest, modelling isn't exactly the coolest of hobbies and having that many kits just pushs it into an obsession and an unhealthy one in most cases.
Internet forums however are not normally a good place to get a fair indication of right or wrong because the general view is normally way too biased towards the subject of the forum.
Of course most people on this forum will disagree with Stickfingers and stick up for thier hobby and say its their life and they can do whatever they want, but sometimes you have to justify things to yourself. If you can, fair play to you, but if most people on these boards were honest, they'd admit they spend WAY too much money on this hobby.
I know I do. ;)
Cheers
Farrokh
Wow, you speak of modeling as though it's an unsafe or unhealthy activity. While there may be one or two compulsive kit buyers here, generally there's nothing wrong with having a large stash- even one so large as you can't realisticly build in your lifetime. If you enjoy having them, and can aford them, then why the hell not? It's like saying owning a 1:1 Ferrari is unhealthy or wrong, because it's much more expensive than you would spend on anormal car, and most people don't have acess to somewhere to drive it to it's full potential. If you really like having it in your garage (even if you never drive it), and can afford it, enjoy!
People, there are much, much worse ways we could be spending our time and disposable income. If plastic modeling is really a problem for you, you probably have a number of other more significant issues you need to deal with as well.
Fkouch
04-19-2005, 09:28 PM
Wow, you speak of modeling as though it's an unsafe or unhealthy activity. While there may be one or two compulsive kit buyers here, generally there's nothing wrong with having a large stash- even one so large as you can't realisticly build in your lifetime. If you enjoy having them, and can aford them, then why the hell not? It's like saying owning a 1:1 Ferrari is unhealthy or wrong, because it's much more expensive than you would spend on anormal car, and most people don't have acess to somewhere to drive it to it's full potential. If you really like having it in your garage (even if you never drive it), and can afford it, enjoy!
People, there are much, much worse ways we could be spending our time and disposable income. If plastic modeling is really a problem for you, you probably have a number of other more significant issues you need to deal with as well.
Well technically speaking modelling is an unsafe and unhealthy activity (dremels, scalpels and Lacquer fumes anyone) ;) j/k
Seriously though, that is the EXACT reply I expected on this board. I did have a problem and I eased up on the money and time I spent, not only because people told me it was too much but because I MYSELF realised it was too much.
BTW comparing having a full size, functioning and extremely desirable automobile manufactured by the most famous car company in the world to having 400+ boxes of styrene and resin is a bit of a stretch. ;)
But you're right, there ARE worse ways to spend your disposable money and time just as long as they ARE disposable.
Also remember though that there are BETTER ways to spend your money and time! ;)
Cheers
Farrokh
People, there are much, much worse ways we could be spending our time and disposable income. If plastic modeling is really a problem for you, you probably have a number of other more significant issues you need to deal with as well.
Well technically speaking modelling is an unsafe and unhealthy activity (dremels, scalpels and Lacquer fumes anyone) ;) j/k
Seriously though, that is the EXACT reply I expected on this board. I did have a problem and I eased up on the money and time I spent, not only because people told me it was too much but because I MYSELF realised it was too much.
BTW comparing having a full size, functioning and extremely desirable automobile manufactured by the most famous car company in the world to having 400+ boxes of styrene and resin is a bit of a stretch. ;)
But you're right, there ARE worse ways to spend your disposable money and time just as long as they ARE disposable.
Also remember though that there are BETTER ways to spend your money and time! ;)
Cheers
Farrokh
willimo
04-19-2005, 09:39 PM
Also remember though that there are BETTER ways to spend your money and time!
Like what? I won't even bother mentioning how a hobby affects state of mind, how a hobby like this keeps minds nimble, or how it could actually become profitable, or how there is intrinsic value in creativity....
Like what? I won't even bother mentioning how a hobby affects state of mind, how a hobby like this keeps minds nimble, or how it could actually become profitable, or how there is intrinsic value in creativity....
drunken monkey
04-19-2005, 09:49 PM
hmm, let's see...
in my other spare time, i do kick-boxing, san shou and kung fu training.
during that, i get kicked, punched, elbowed, kneed , thrown the floor, put in various armlocks and generally made to hurt and bleed.
compared to that, this is quite healthy....
in my other spare time, i do kick-boxing, san shou and kung fu training.
during that, i get kicked, punched, elbowed, kneed , thrown the floor, put in various armlocks and generally made to hurt and bleed.
compared to that, this is quite healthy....
druid_99
04-19-2005, 11:28 PM
One thing to keep in mind... all of the AF Car Modeling members are modelers right? Each one of us does this as a hobby right? (maybe some does it for living but it starts as a hobby too right) We have hobbies to make use of our spare time to relax and get creative in one way or the other. I admit that I spend a lot of money on this hobby but I enjoy it and I felt that every dollar I spend on it is worth it.
If a member in this forum wanted to collect models even if he/she might not complete it, let them be. I have to admit that I sometimes am a bit jealous too looking at some of the members that have models that I want really bad and is long OOP but they have the money, determination and luck to find those kits. I get all my rare and OOP models with a lot of searching and asking around and I think majority of the other modelers here did the same too. They earn it.
I admit that modeling sometimes do require using hazardous materials (resin dusts, thinners, scribers, cutters, scalpers, etc.), but with safety precautions we can at least minimize the risk right? Every hobby has its own pros and cons and modeling is no exception. Just giving my opinion.
If a member in this forum wanted to collect models even if he/she might not complete it, let them be. I have to admit that I sometimes am a bit jealous too looking at some of the members that have models that I want really bad and is long OOP but they have the money, determination and luck to find those kits. I get all my rare and OOP models with a lot of searching and asking around and I think majority of the other modelers here did the same too. They earn it.
I admit that modeling sometimes do require using hazardous materials (resin dusts, thinners, scribers, cutters, scalpers, etc.), but with safety precautions we can at least minimize the risk right? Every hobby has its own pros and cons and modeling is no exception. Just giving my opinion.
RallyRaider
04-20-2005, 02:28 AM
Also remember though that there are BETTER ways to spend your money and time!
Any you call yourself a modeller! :lol: Hang your head in shame. :lol:
Can't speak for everybody but I don't have a "collection" of unbuilt kits at all. Just a lot of projects I haven't finished (or started) yet...
Any you call yourself a modeller! :lol: Hang your head in shame. :lol:
Can't speak for everybody but I don't have a "collection" of unbuilt kits at all. Just a lot of projects I haven't finished (or started) yet...
phase5
04-20-2005, 04:49 AM
Here is my view on the subject, i work in a hobby shop (really bad place to work "NOT") and the major companies discontinue kits way to early.Not that they are being bought by someone else And the simple thing is you don't buy it you miss out plain and simple. But i'll admit you can't buy everything i tired and ended with way to many kits and have sold a few hundred but now i regret as i have sold some i really want to build.The hard part is trying to work out what to build way to many kits to choose from.Never worry about someone elses kits as you most likely have one they don't have
drunken monkey
04-23-2005, 08:17 PM
....and would you have a problem if people were only buying the widely available cars in mass?
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