Action package celica drivers suck nuts...

Well, I was driving to school (during lunch), and I saw this silver new celica with the action rice package... its some lil asian guy(no offense intended) who could barely see over the steering wheel(im only 5'7, so i know hes damn short!) He looks at me, and revs at the light. Light turns green, I spun even tho i only revved to 1,800 rpm and feathered the clutch hard, his door was at my front bumper until i shifted into second, spun like crazy(like 2 secs, damn 175's cant handle the 128 lb ft of torque lol, yea..) Then i started to gain on him, up to about 75 his front bumper was at my rear bumper... Then i put on my hazards and slowed down cuz i was slightly pulling... He then flicks me off, and spins his tires around the corner. So?? He was upset his "fast" looking action package weighed him down and just made him LOOK fast? sheesh c'mon people, lighten up!

good kill,oem rice is still rice:D

funny - maybe stress release and racing would be the right forum :D

good tho

Is the "Action Package" the Celica GT-S? Cuz if it is, you must either have some major mods on your car, or else the Celica driver was really shitty. A stock Celica GT-S should beat a stock Prelude VTEC (4th or 5th gen) given equal driver skill.

You're obviously not running on a stock motor. Celica GT's run 15.8 at the 1/4 and GTS's run low 15's, high 14's.... Depending on the year.
A good driver behind the seat of an Integra GSR could easily take a GTS because the GTS takes serious driving skills to run good times. It's not the hp that makes the GTS fast, it's the close ratio'd six speed gearbox. Plus, the 2002 Celica GTS' come with a premature 7700 rpm limiter, meaning it doesn't reach it's peak horsepower. And when you have a six speed tranny, and you don't reach peak hp, you have six REALLY low performing gears. It's easy to drop from 14.9 to 15.5 in a GTS if you don't shift right.
Plus he might've had a GTS automatic, if he does, then it's possible for you to pull on him in a stock dx motor with a 5 speed because you NEVER see good horsepower with a GTS paired with an automatic tranny.
And to the person who said a GTS can take a Prelude 5th gen... With equal drivers it depends on the Prelude. The Type SH is slower because of the heavy, power pulling torque transfer system. A regular Prelude DOHC Vtec 5th gen will tie up with a 2000 model GTS (1/4=14.8) but a Prelude of the same gen will take a 2001-2002 GTS because of the rpm limiter. Plus... a moron could drive a 5 speed Prelude and still pull consequetive 15.4's on the track. Put that same moron in a GTS and he'll pull high 15's, maybe low 16's on the track.
Nissan tried to copy Toyota's concept of the GTS with their Sentra SER Spec V. It performs really crappy at the track because of HOW short the gears are, you don't get to use maximum horsepower of the engine with the six speed. I have a feeling if you had a Spec V with the 5 speed transmission from the regular SER, you'd pull high 14's stock.

Originally posted by Honda Boy
his door was at my front bumper until i shifted into second, spun like crazy(like 2 secs, damn 175's cant handle the 128 lb ft of torque lol, yea..) Then i started to gain on him, up to about 75 his front bumper was at my rear bumper... Then i put on my hazards and slowed down cuz i was slightly pulling...

Okay? First off, the only Honda motor with 128 lbs. of torque is a GSR motor. And if you have a GSR motor in a dx hatch or 2 door coupe, then it's a no brainer that you got him. Plus, on stock tires, only a GSR motor will pull a second gear chirp that aggressive.

Good kill tho...

The whole hp to weight theory doesn't apply to Celica GTS' because they live off of their six speed tranny. If they had a five speed they'd get smoked so hard....

dude i used to get third gear chirps on my stock tires

I can easily chirp the tires through three maybe four gears, but then again. . . . . . .

Nice kill, I hate Toyota Celicas, they are ugly.

i am pretty sure i remember honda boy saying he had a swap back when he was HYBRID boy. And the action package that everyone thinks is the celica GTS is just a bigger spoiler, new groung effects, and different rims. that is what he ment by weighing him down. and no one gives a rats ass about what the celica GTS can do!!!:flipa: :flipa:

this thread needs someone to come in and get the facts straight.

Unfortunately I'm not the one to do it but I'm pretty sure you can get the action package put on ANY trim celica as an option. So it could have been a GT or GT-S.

I have a b18b1 LS engine, and all i have installed is my cold air intake and my exhaust, i dont have a spare tire, no backseat, and some interior parts stripped. MOST ls civic coupes run mid-lkow 15's stock, ls hatches do high 14's low 15's, and gsr hatches/coupes run at least low 14's. And the rreason why i spin like mad in second gear is because my tires are skiny as fuck, give me some 195 x 15's and ill barely chirp.

it was a 6 speed gt-s rice package one with the 200lb body rice kit ...

For perspective, the first article that Car and Driver ran on the Celica GT-S with actual track testing, they were only able to squeeze a 16 flat in the quarter.

i've heard that the celica's are not all that and pretty much are all show..does anyone know the hp on them?

supposed to have 180

the gt has 140 hp and the gts has 180 hp. I heard the action package usually only comes in the gt models and you have to special order a gts with the action package. i dont know if its true or not.

and all those freaks in their celicas drive like they have a turbo underneath their hood:hehe:

tru dat.. i'd say 99% of the action packages are gt's .. but it is possible to get the gts with the action package.. tho very rare..

theres an action package GT-S here in lawrence for sale and they want 26k for it. rediculous

That Celica kidrocket told about has been sitting on the lot since the beginning of last fall, at the same price. We picked up the SS for $26k when it was four months old, which would you have chosen?:D

Justin

Originally posted by Honda Boy
...who could barely see over the steering wheel(im only 5'7, so i know hes damn short!)Maybe he was too short to push the pedal all the way down... :lol2:

You guys talk a lot of sh*t about Toyota. First off I don't know what you've heard, but you got it backwards. The Celica action package is a dealership offer for the GT-S, and you can get it ordered for the GT.... Not the other way around. I've already seen like four GTS in one day with action packages, seen the engines, seen the badging. Oh and the GTS that Car and Driver ran 16 flat on, had a premature 7500 rpm limiter that was a glitch in the car's ecu. How fast would GSR's be if you had to shift at 7300 rpm in every gear?
Oh and like I said, it's not the hp that makes a GTS fast, it's the close ratio'd six speed tranny.
A Celica GTS stock with the 78-7900 rpm limiter that it's supposed to have will run an easy 14.9-15.0 flat in the 1/4 with interior and stock tires. My guess is that the guy didn't know what the heck he was doing. This is why I almost beat an Integra GSR in the 1/8th when I was stock with my slow a$$ car... The other guy said he was dropping the clutch at 2,000 rpm flat because he didn't want to peel out for a long time. (what a dumba$$)
In a Celica GTS if you don't drop the clutch at anything about 4500 rpm, you're looking at 8.2 0-60 and 15.9/15.8 1/4 mile time. oh and the Celica GT runs 15.8 at the 1/4. .1 of a second slower than the 160 hp Civic Si. I said I didn't like the GTS because it's over-rated, but I never said that it's slow. It's slow the majority of the time because no one knows how to drive it. The only Honda/Acura that can take it STOCK FOR STOCK... Is an RSX Type S, (maybe) Integra Type R, NSX and S2000.
They CAN be very fast if you put the right driver behind the wheel of one. My friend's ran consistent 15.1's stock at the track. Once on a real good day, (temperature, engine condition) he ran 14.9, his is a stock 2000.
The Car And Driver times for the 2000 factory sold Celica GTS is 0-60 in 6.8 and 14.8 at the 1/4

Yeh i agree with S2corolla. Hey i work at Toyota and they do have the action package gt-s model. I'm not a big fan of new skool cars ...ANY cars but i do love the ALL TRAC CELICA and the 2tc and 3tc engines:D OH those are my favorite toyotas. Yes the celicas arent' that quick and yes the price on the action package is pretty damn high and the dealer that i work at doesn't carry them. Well you can only order it cause they don't want to take up space on the lot ;) I belive that Honda Boy beat that celica cause of his swap. Thats whats so great about swappin is that you have the rite car cause of its weight and the rite engine cause of its power to help the lighter weight car be much quicker. Hey i know this Puerto Rican dude that has the twin cam gt-s '89 corolla. Its my friend's friend and he wanted me to race him. Lets just say i had to give up on 2nd gear:( I have no clue what that guy did to his car but that shit was quick!!! Oh and his bro has a i think a '78 corolla 2tc engine in it and he runs 11's constantly. SO yeh corollas aren't bad at all...i don't like the new ones though..just my opinion ..no offense S2corolla. :) Well anyways nice race Honda Boy.:)

dude I watched my friend burn a celica GT in his bone stock 1990 integra GS auto, riding 3 deep, and im sure that teg doesnt run a 15.8

Yeah don't worry about it. I'm in the process of getting an Integra GSR or a 5th Gen Prelude. I was gonna get an RSX Type S, but with 4,000 down I'd rather have REALLY low monthly payments, the RSX can wait until I pay off whatever DOHC Vtec I get. I mean don't get me wrong, it would be nice to get a Celica GTS or a Se-R Spec V.... But I drove both, and I drove a GSR a lot, and I drove a Prelude a couple of times. Nothing gives you a better feeling that chirping second gear in a B18C or an H22A. Seeing a 5.0's headlights in the side mirror as you pull third gear in a GSR is a great feeling. Getting slapped in the face by the Se-R's 6100 RPM limiter isn't a good feeling. Having an Integra GSR staying a car length ahead of you during an entire race behind the wheel of a GTS isn't a good feeling either. I mean every time I shifted my friend, the owner of the GTS said, "Don't worry you'll get him in this gear..." But no, that GSR stayed ahead. The whole way...
But driving a GSR and taking out an IROC is a great feeling. Racing a Prelude against a b16 hatch and winning is a great feeling.
Chirping third gear with the sound of the third rocker arm letting that cam lobe open her up is a GREAT feeling.

all u guys w/hondas are the same, u swear hondas are the best...i own a 01 gts, and reality is gsr, si(oh please),or preludes could not even touch a celica...i know this from experience.i've seen s2000s get smoked by a gts,not once ,but twice.if u ever go out to races...u know what im talking about.gts puts 3hps shy to the wheels than a honda itr,in a car body lighter than a civic coupe.ur talking about a yamaha developed 1.8l vvtli engine w/11:5 compression matted to a close ratio 6speed tranny vs. an ancient b series motor...unlesss it is turbo or spend mad $$$ on internals, its not gonna happen!!!:o :finger4:

you make me laugh. A stock celica couldnt run 14 flat with god behind the wheel. thats what the S2k runs. and if youre comparing a modded celica, whoopdy shit, there are modded hondas that will beat S2ks as well.

If Si's are not worthy to waste gas on, ive walked on several GT-S celicas, one of them was modded quite nicely too.

Us guys w/ hondas?

stick around and youll learn that probably only about half of us in here drive hondas, and aside from a few bad seeds, we dont care who makes it if its fast.

Originally posted by kidrocket
you make me laugh. A stock celica couldnt run 14 flat with god behind the wheel. thats what the S2k runs. and if youre comparing a modded celica, whoopdy shit, there are modded hondas that will beat S2ks as well.

If Si's are not worthy to waste gas on, ive walked on several GT-S celicas, one of them was modded quite nicely too.

Us guys w/ hondas?

stick around and youll learn that probably only about half of us in here drive hondas, and aside from a few bad seeds, we dont care who makes it if its fast.

I think i know why the s2000 got smoked. Well i've been hearin that they are very hard to launch? Anyways if you can drive an s2000 theres no way a celica can beat it. I work at a toyota dealer and i've driven the gt-s before its pretty quick but not fast.

that may be, but that doesnt make the celica fast, it makes the S2K driver stupid.

Originally posted by kidrocket
that may be, but that doesnt make the celica fast, it makes the S2K driver stupid.

Yeh thats very true.:D

Originally posted by S2Corolla
You guys talk a lot of sh*t about Toyota.

I jus talk shit about Corollas and Celicas. Toyota makes good cars, but get real, the Supra is the only car that Toyota makes that can truly be called a sports car, besides the recent line of Toyota cars are just plain ugly.

Oh, and I am a little shady on your 1/4 numbers there. I HIGHLY doubt that they can 14.8 in the 1/4 mile and 6.8 0-60. Someone at Car & Driver must be smoking crack, because I have race A LOT of Celcia GTS's and they don't stand a chance, and the numbers you are posting are around what my car runs, slightly slower, and those GTS's can't even keep up with me.

Where did I leave that BS flag.

Here comes the Toyota brigade again:rolleyes:.

People, people...just freaking race and tell us about it, k? Instead of bickering about what this and that car runs...

Personally, I've never driven a GT-S, but I know someone who bought one of the first ones here in Phoenix when the GT-S came out. He's looking to trade it in now...he complains about how slow his car is.

Okay Polygon, you've gone too far with that post. First off... You talk a lot of trash about being unbiased and what not, but let's get something straight, your ugly (IMO), well if I wanna state my OPINION, your a$$ ugly junker is just some turbocharged beast that's supposed to go heads up with 5.0's. The GTS has been called a great car on Sport Compact Car and most other compact car tuning magazines. If you know so much, tell me where you work that you have such a Godlike grip over the rating of automobiles. I've seen slightly modded GTS' run mid 14's at the track with full warranty still covered, on STREET TIRES. Just like most other people see Integra's running mid 14's on street tires. I know it's hard to believe TRD did it again with all your hardheaded "I love Honda and nothing else" motif, but if you take a look at history, Honda was pooped on by most car lovers back in 94' and around that time. Toyota's barely making it's move in sport COMPACT cars and you guys talk trash? I wanna see a STOCK Integra of any type other than Type R take a Celica GTS, or a stock Civic or a stock Prelude. It is NOT going to happen.
Talking trash about a Corolla is one thing. But talking trash about a Celica is different. The Celica GT runs high 15's, which last time I checked, is the same stock time area as the GSR and the Si... Hmm... Makes you wonder.
Oh and carrrnut, you talk like you're some unbiased car God. You just talked down on the Celica, have you ever seen a professional driver race one?
I saw a Celica GTS, barely broken in on stock internals and stock EVERYTHING, stock tires... etc... Break off a modded H22A Prelude that WAS 5 speed. What are you going to say to that? The Prelude driver was sorry? How the hell would you know? Were you there? I saw the Prelude jump the Celica GTS off the line, and in between mid 2nd gear and high 3rd gear the GTS caught up to and pulled on the Prelude.

I agree with liquid8 on this one, and it's not because of my Toyota car. I've shown nothing but respect to GSR's and Si's, and then when Celica's brought up, nothing but flames.
You guys are all pathetic, and that's my honest to God opinion. You all are on this board too much, so I really doubt any of your knowledge on cars, which doesn't come from the internet or your friends' rides, but from being out there at the track, being at the race meets and being in my car port, messing with my car.
I'm not even going to post my opinion about the GTS becuase you all have this Honda attitude that makes you all disgusting. I think it's a mistake that Sport Compact Car made this forum for all of you because in an earlier post you guys said the drivers of their magazine are smoking crack? Yeah, great way to show appreciation for their gift to auto enthusiasts.
You think this whole message forum was made for Honda enthusiasts to walk on like it's their red carpet? Well kidrocket, this is for you :flipa: and the same to anyone who disses a car they know NOTHING about.
Oh and kidrocket, I'll race you if you really wanna know how great your Civic Si is. And when I beat you, know that I've never kept up with a Celica GTS passed 20 mph, even after the ported and polished cylinder head.
So if I beat you, and a Celica GTS smokes me? Wouldn't that mean, that they can smoke you beyond any recognition? I believe so, so race me, and keep the facts straight, don't BS if you lose, and don't BS to keep from racing me.
Oh and Polygon, I've seen LeBaron's exactly like yours with the 2.2 turbocharged inline 4 engine, 5 speed, lose to bone stock Civic EX's, so don't talk about a car based on driving skills okay? Get that out of your head because the main reason there are more fast Honda's is because more people race Honda's, so there are more good drivers behind the wheels of Honda's than Toyota's, if Toyota was as much mainstream as Honda, then they would be dead even when it comes to ALL DRIVERS....
God you people make me sick.

To Liquid8 and S2Corolla:

What the hell crawled up y'alls asses??? You are both surprised that a honda forum is more biased towards honda products? What kind of ignorance does that show? You both act like the Celica GTS is the do-all, end-all of sport compact cars. Fact of the matter is, why is someone going to buy one of those over-priced POS's when they can buy a cheaper car and give it a run for it's money? All I ever see of Celicas are those that are sitting on a lot, cause no one gives a crap about them. You both need to get a true sense of reality.

Also, S2Corolla, do you know how stupid you come off as when you're challenging someone 1500+/- miles away? Everyone knows that's not going to happen, so why even bother pulling that crap out of your ass? That comment in no way makes you come off as the better or higher person.

Stick to what is possible and truthful in the future, or don't whine when others voice their opinions...:rolleyes:

when did i ever claim that my car was the supreme being?

dont think your car is the shit either with a paltry 15.5 though.

And did i imagine the GTSs that ive walked on? i dont think so.

when did i ever attack your car either? all i said was there is no way a stock GTS could walk on an S2000 with a competent driver, because a chimp could beat that car with an S2000. That is not because i am honda biased, put that GTS up against an S4 or a mustang GT or some other car in the same class and the result will be the same.

you challenging me online means absolutely dick to me. youre just words on a page to me.

Oh and i PMed you a long ass time ago and you havent read it yet

so:flipa: :flipa:

im sad to report that ive seen a ITR lose against a celica GTS 4 times, run after run. :( dont hate on toyotas, they are way more popular than honda when it comes to building up a fast car in japan (the mother country)

Okay, I'm going to try and end this arguement with one last post.

First off, I apologize and I retract my previous statement. Kidrocket, you're right, I didn't check my private messages and I apologize for the :flipa:, but you have to understand, you said so yourself in the PM, a car is a car regardless of badging. Have you seen one post on this thread giving a positive response to the GTS? If you go into a Corolla/Celica message board, there is no bad talking Honda there. I know because I've been a member of my home on the internet, www.cthreeracing.com for nearly a year, and there has never been a thread bashing Honda that wasn't cleared up. Some people come on and bash on Honda, and even I, a driver of a Toyota defended Honda in all aspects.

To adress the earlier issues using intelligent words rather than rash, and quick responses without analyzing the posts, I'll speak of the whole Celica GTS vs. S2000 issue.
The S2000 is without a doubt a sports car, not a sports compact car, it's like comparing a steak dinner to a combo at Jack in the Box, so I won't even bother bringing that up... But I will point out the fact to all of you Honda enthusiasts, that you all should know as well as I do, what is the outcome of an S2000's performance if the driver doesn't drop the clutch above 5800 rpm?

Now about the GTS pricing and issues evolving around the GTS' owners. As I said in an earlier post, Honda is mainstream, the only thing that isn't mainstream about honda is the B20 swaps and their aftermarket backbone. People buy GTS' and most of the time are satisfied with their performance and styling for the first two months, but are angered by the fact that it doesn't have any aftermarket support and the fact that you have to be a quick and skilled driver to pull those low 15, high 14 time slips that they're supposed to be known for. Now the pricing of GTS' is completely based on area. I've found GTS' six speeds with action packages and accessories, with only 4,000 miles on them for 17,000$ sticker price. And I HAVE seen GTS' six speeds running for 27,000$, but the reason those are the ones you see the most is because who would be dumb enough to buy that car for 27,000$? A week after a GTS hits the used market for under 19,000$ it is sold almost immediately. If you see an Integra Type R 2000 for 17,000$ how long is that going to last? But if you see a bonestock Integra Type R for 28,000$, its going to be there a while, unless it's a 2001, which they only made 500 of, then it will probably be priced higher and last shorter.

Now I have seen Type R's beat GTS' just as much as I've seen GTS' beat modded Preludes, it's all in the driver. I drove a GTS, and I will admit, I sucked with it the first few runs, but after I got a feel for the launch and shift points, I just saw the speedo moving up rapidly. Some people just don't try to learn, they think that they have a 6 speed 180 horsepower sport compact car, they can just step on the gas and take out Vipers. Well I speak in favor of all track lovers when I say, that's BS, you HAVE to know how to take off perfectly, to gain traction at the right time, and peel out for a considerable amount of time, and considering the GTS doesn't have LSD and it has more hp than torque, it's very easy to lose too much traction off the start.
Hopefully, you'll all read this post and understand it fully.

S2
that was a very intelligent and thought out reply, and you are right. until joyride on this page, i dont think there is anyone supporting the GTS. I do like that car quite a bit, but i have quite a tough time believing it is equal to the S2K. thats all i was trying to say earlier.

I will also admit that i know very little about the GTS, as i dont drive one, and they are relatively new platforms. The honda VTEC platform has been around since the 80s. I would expect some more advanced technology by now.

This forum would not be half as fun if we didnt have nonhonda drivers posting either.

To all of you who speak BEFORE you pull your head out of your ass:

I have owned as many Toyotas in my day as Hondas (3 each).

This street/track forum is for posting races WE (regardless of vehicle WE drive) engage in/encounter as we drive our vehicles. You just look like an ass if you sit there saying you saw this, you saw that, this car ran this ran that, when it supposedly happened months/weeks ago. If it was that special, why didn't you post it then(newbies are excused)? You guys notice, I moderate this forum, and I haven't posted a race in a while...I haven't been in or saw any races worth posting about yet.

If you guys actually race or spectate as much as you guys claim, freaking post them and make this forum a livelier place. Otherwise, these are just words and don't really count for much.

As for me posting races...I have decided to go for a b20b hybrid in my four-door:D...can you say sleeper? I was debating whether or not to get a b16 and mod it or a b18 for a thousand more less modded. Well, I found out I can get the Frankenstein for about the same money as buying a b18 outright. I called HASPORT (if you haven't heard of them, you don't care about fixed-up Hondas:p) today and they told me with stock pistons, they were able to extract 175HP to the wheels from a b20b with a b16 head. It comes without saying I'll be posting races more frequently next month:D.

P.S.

The first line of this post is meant for EVERYBODY, including me...I get THAT stupid sometimes too.

Originally posted by liquid8
I wanna see a STOCK Integra of any type other than Type R take a Celica GTS, or a stock Civic or a stock Prelude. It is NOT going to happen.


Well I own a stock Civic thats 10 years older than the Celica, and faster. Does that count?
or does your narrow minded America is the only civilised country in the world mind not accept that?
And its not the only Civic model thats faster, in fact every Civic generation since the EF has a model thats faster than any model Celica expect the mighty GT4.

The new Celica is a nice car, it certianly looks better than most Civics, and its deffintly a move in the right direction for Toyota, its certianly a better car than the old model. However it really needed another 6mnths work done on the engine and suspension. The VVTi-L is not as good as it could be, and needs work. And the suspension is still too tuned towards the wanna be road warrior, offering lots of understeer and a softish ride to keep all the wanna be racers happy on thier morning comute to work.
But Toyota is a very smart company once you get past all the accoutants and marketing consultants, and I have very high hopes for the performance of the next model Celica.




Now, please forget everything I just ranted about, and read what Carrnutt said. :D

Well I have to address a few things here.

1. I am allowed to have my own opinion, and I don't think I have my head up my ass. I think the new line if Toyota cars, trucks, and SUVs are ugly. That is my opinion and damnit I am entitled to it. Go ahead and say my car is ugly; I don't really care, because I think it looks a lot better than a Toyota Celica.

2. When I said that there is no way a Celica GTS could run 14s in the 1/4 mile I was talking about a STOCK Celica. Shit S2 and liquid, you guys take to defense too quickly. You call me biased but it is alright for you trash on anyone else who doesn't share your opinion, that my friends is bullshit. I am not that biased but I can't like every car out there, sorry.

3. I doubt very highly that you have seen a GTC Turbo 2 loose to a bone stock Civic, there is no way, unless the driver is dumber than a rock or there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the car. I KILL, and when I say that I mean litterally KILL Celica GT and GTSs all the time. I don't even waste my time with stock Civics. There were only about 200 of my car made in 89 and I have yet to see one in the condition mine is in. I have only seen three other GTCs. One that was completely junked out, one that was a 90, and one that was the automatic. You bring any stock Civic, Celica, Corolla, or Prelude out here and I will hand your ass to you. And I have never posted a race of me killing Mustang 5.0s. And for you information, there are people that run low 9s in the 1/4 mile with LeBaron GTCs with little modification.

Don't call me ignorant, because I do know my shit about cars. You know NOTHING about mine, so that makes you the ignorant ones.

Well, I was talking about USDM Integra's or Civic's, why do you think I didn't mention the Civic Type R? If you like to bring up JDM or over seas cars, then I'll bring up the Corolla T Sport, and I would've called it the HONDA Integra Type R, not the Acura Integra Type R, because if I'm not mistaken, I mean I could be wrong, but isn't Acura purely American, or left hand drivers' sided vehicles? I thought the NSX, Integra and such were Honda car's in Japan???

Oh and carrrnut, the reason I didn't post anything earlier is because I don't like posting race stories, track stories, I just defend whatever manufacturer is frowned upon whenever someone comes on and says, "I beat a Celica so Celica's are super slow, grandma cars!!!"
That's when I have to step in. Believe me if some gear-headed Mustang driver came in and said, "I beat a Civic with an ironing board on his trunk, Civics are gay and so are all of you!" I would be standing on Honda's side.
I hate the fact that you guys never mention the fact that there are Honda drivers that can't drive for crap, just like there are Toyota drivers who can, and vice versa. Don't diss a car because you beat it. Diss the driver. And if you get beat, give credit to both the driver and the car, because it takes two to tango, and if one isn't right then te other won't work right either.
Plus, I'm not going to post a Toyota kill in a Honda board. But I stand neutral in all ways possible. This might be a Honda board, but Toyota drivers should be able to post in this board without worrying about flames from here and there. This isn't some gang wars town with "Only the strong survive" spray painted on our winshields. We are ALL car enthusiasts, and a true enthusiast knows the golden fact, "A car is a car, regardless of badging, given the right driver and the right wrenchtime, anything can pull hard."

not all celicas suck.....the new ones do, I'll give you that, but I have a 1990 celica gt that was running 15.5's with the stock 2.2 before I did the engine swap... I blew it up, cause it had 180000 miles on it.... So I decided to transplant in a japanese spec 2.0 liter 3s-gte out of a celica alltrac. I have upgraded the intercooler to front mounted, installed larger intercooler tubing to the intake and from the turbo, also put in the jap spec wiring harness, along with the jdm computer, installed a manual boost controler, cold air intake, and metal head gasket. My car has a aerospeed bomb muffler on it, along with polyuerthane suspenion components... I have gutted the cat, and had the throttle body enlarged with an oversized throttle plate. I have a TRD short throw shifter and TRD 10" clutch kit. only problem is I'm still running on just slightly wider than stock tires. I have posted high 13's, low 14's and routinly blow the doors off of new celicas...along with my girlfriends 98 prelude S ;) If my 60ft time didn't suck so bad, I'm conviced I'd be running low 13's. I hope ya'll don't think all celicas suck..... :p

Originally posted by 1990bluecelicagt
not all celicas suck.....the new ones do, I'll give you that, but I have a 1990 celica gt that was running 15.5's with the stock 2.2 before I did the engine swap... I blew it up, cause it had 180000 miles on it.... So I decided to transplant in a japanese spec 2.0 liter 3s-gte out of a celica alltrac. I have upgraded the intercooler to front mounted, installed larger intercooler tubing to the intake and from the turbo, also put in the jap spec wiring harness, along with the jdm computer, installed a manual boost controler, cold air intake, and metal head gasket. My car has a aerospeed bomb muffler on it, along with polyuerthane suspenion components... I have gutted the cat, and had the throttle body enlarged with an oversized throttle plate. I have a TRD short throw shifter and TRD 10" clutch kit. only problem is I'm still running on just slightly wider than stock tires. I have posted high 13's, low 14's and routinly blow the doors off of new celicas...along with my girlfriends 98 prelude S ;) If my 60ft time didn't suck so bad, I'm conviced I'd be running low 13's. I hope ya'll don't think all celicas suck..... :p

How did u manage to get an awd engine on a fwd?

Originally posted by mellowboy


How did u manage to get an awd engine on a fwd?


Its the G.box not the engine that makes it 4WD.

The 3sgte he swaped in is basicly the Turbo version of the 3sge thats in the JDM version of the Celica. So its a very easy swap to do. and very effective.
Makes for a damn fast Celica to.

yeah, what he said, it will bolt up to a celica gt auto or manual tranny, or a gt-s a/t or m/t, but not to the celica ST tranny's.... It isn't recomended on an auto, so I put a celica GT-S 5 speed in out of a 93 model because it has closer ratio gears in some of them. Plus all mine is jap spec, so its making some ponies, and you gotta put good stuff in that won't break :p

To clear up the whole AWD engine confusion. The 3SGTE was also used in the 90-93 (don't remember the generation years) MR2 Turbo. Stock that car ran 13.9, it was Toyota's sporty, two door, two seater car, you know how the MR2 is now. It has that sporty, pretty boy appearance. The engine can be used for multiple platforms, it can be rear wheel drive if you drop it in a non turbo MR2, but it will be rear mounted too, and all you have to do is get custom fabricated motor mounts to mount it backwards and make it front engine front wheel drive. And if you can get your hands on a Celica GT4 drivetrain you can make it all wheel drive with the G.box, or you can spend about 39,000$ to find and buy an official 1993 Toyota Celica GT4 All Trac... (Good luck on that one) Those can easily be tuned up to 400+ horsepower on stock internals.

umm yeah sort of.
Not the right place to say this but..


The 3sg(t)e was untill recently Toyota's main stream DOHC 2l engine.
It showed up in a variety of differnt cars and platforms from the mid 80s in the first of the FWD Celica untill the last of the MKII Mr2s.

It can and is often used in frount engine RWD conversions by fitting either a Celica or Supra 5sp g.box, and is very popular down here in Kit Cars.

It basicly the same accross all models and all years, (its a Toyota after all) and needs no special modifaction to be taken from an MR2 and put in the frount of a Celica. Although the sumps and mounts are a little differnt.
The MR does not have the engine turned around, it's simply moved to the back of the car. Infact most of the rear suspension is of a similar design to whats in the frount of the celica.

And you can not make the MR2 or FWD Celica into a 4WD by simply useing the GT4 g/box. You also have to find a rear or frount diff (for the MR2) and have to worry about the wee problem of cutting the body shell to hold the drive shaft and differnt rear subframe. It can, and has been done, but IMO is a waste of time.
Also the GT4 was made and sold in quite large numbers in Japan. A used import can be had down here for as little as US$2,000 for a road legal running car. Thank you FIA Homolgation rules. :)


Now, back to the topic:



Celicas sucks asssssssssss....... :rolleyes:

would you like to race mine since they suck...I happen to like my celica very much, because it is comforatble, women like it, its quick, and its just fun to drive and a challenge to find parts for....but hey if they suck, you wanna race?

Originally posted by 1990bluecelicagt
would you like to race mine since they suck...I happen to like my celica very much, because it is comforatble, women like it, its quick, and its just fun to drive and a challenge to find parts for....but hey if they suck, you wanna race?



aha? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Is it jsut me or is the maturity level of this thread suddenly heading in a really really bad direction.

Have a read of the whole thread, and go learn about a thing called sarcasim...... :rolleyes:

man, I was just playin....I'm just saying I drive my celica cause its fun to drive...it has a great well built interior, and its a good looking car....but I love honda to death now also....like I said, my g/f drives a 98 prelude S I talked her into selling her 2000 civic dx w/ intake exhaust and header and getting the prelude, cause the H22A is an awesome engine with loads of potienial....not ragging on honda or anything, but my celica is quick :p I'm just trying to get into the 11's like everyone else :p

First Off:: POLYGON
U have NO right:mad: calling a Celi Gts ugly... including the one with the Action pkg... jus take a look at u're car.. not too eye appealing now is it..??

2nd::

Honda Boy...
that driver of the GTS probably couldn't drive he should have atleast kept up with u.. and could've beaten u as well.:D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by StageOneGalant
[B]First Off:: POLYGON
U have NO right:mad: calling a Celi Gts ugly... including the one with the Action pkg... jus take a look at u're car.. not too eye appealing now is it..??

QUOTE]

He can damn well say anything he wants to, it's his freedom to do so. Opinions hurt nobody, except the weak minded. What else do you think a forum is for, besides opinion an fact? And for the record, I agree with Polygon wholeheartedly. I'd much rather have polygon's sleeper than that action package crap.

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
He can damn well say anything he wants to, it's his freedom to do so. Opinions hurt nobody, except the weak minded. What else do you think a forum is for, besides opinion an fact? And for the record, I agree with Polygon wholeheartedly. I'd much rather have polygon's sleeper than that action package crap.

Thanks man, that felt good to hear. And congrats on a very fine car.

Oh, and Mr. Stage 1. Maybe you should re-read all three of my posts in here before you get your hose in a bunch.

well... since the thread isn't about a celica vs an integra...


honda boy has a hybrid, which is most definitely quicker than the car that the motor came out of. his car would easily beat a celica (new one) at all.

and from what i have seen with great drivers, a new celica runs around 15 even (this is last year at the track) compared to type r's that run in the 14s...

and on the thing about the s2k...
whoever said "what would happen if you didn't launch the s2k above 5800"...

do me a favor and go out and ask anyone to half assedly launch any car and then try to run a good 1/4. if a car is designed to be driven a certain way at certain rpms, then that is it. if you need to launch a s2k at 5800, then so be it. that would be like saying, "hey, shift your celica at 6500, before your peak power, and tell me what it's like"

the answer is the same... it is a less than stellar outcome...

surprise...

Originally posted by S2Corolla
To clear up the whole AWD engine confusion. The 3SGTE was also used in the 90-93 (don't remember the generation years) MR2 Turbo. Stock that car ran 13.9, it was Toyota's sporty, two door, two seater car, you know how the MR2 is now. It has that sporty, pretty boy appearance. The engine can be used for multiple platforms, it can be rear wheel drive if you drop it in a non turbo MR2, but it will be rear mounted too, and all you have to do is get custom fabricated motor mounts to mount it backwards and make it front engine front wheel drive. And if you can get your hands on a Celica GT4 drivetrain you can make it all wheel drive with the G.box, or you can spend about 39,000$ to find and buy an official 1993 Toyota Celica GT4 All Trac... (Good luck on that one) Those can easily be tuned up to 400+ horsepower on stock internals.

13.9 from an MR2 is very optimistic. Fastest I've heard/seen them run stock is about a 14.3....What do you say, MAURICE??

im w/polygon, celicas are ugly and only girls should drive them.

regardless of facts good kill.............

I drive around like i have a turbo under the hood...........

thats because i do!!!!:D :D

i won't comment on any of that stuff... i drive a 2000 toyota celica gt-s.. i'm not even gona get to involved cause this post is way out there somewhere... no reality left... one thing tho, the S2000 is a great car, better than a gt-s and i like it... S2000 vs GT-S = S2000 most likely wins... Si runs what? 16? GT-S can run 14s... don't believe it? think i'm lying... heres' proof, a celica website of celica 1/4 miles time and it includes their mod list and everything... and the thing that celicas are ugly? please man, you're making yourself look retarded.... the celica isn't the shit... no doubt, a celica isn't the fastest car out there... but it's not slow... once the turbo and superchargers get out will you still call it slow? anyway here's the website... Camaro SS and Mustang GT are out of the celica's class no comparison there... if you're still think the cleica is slow i have two videos of celica gt-s racing an Integra Type R maybe you'd like to see that.. actually lemme post the link right now

http://subzero.mine.nu/celica/beginning.mpg = Toyota Celica GT-S vs a RSX Type S

http://subzero.mine.nu/celica/race%206.mpg = Toyota Celica GT-S vs Honda Prelude

www.newcelica.org once ya get there let it load and to the right it should say dyno list, 1/4 mile times etc, look around.... hopefully some of that info will clear up the uneducated confusion