Bush elected illegally?
fredjacksonsan
04-11-2005, 03:34 PM
The Big Fix
By Chris Floyd
The Moscow Times
4-7-5
Let's face the facts. The game is over and we -- the "reality-based community," the believers in genuine democracy and law, the heirs of Jefferson and Madison, Emerson and Thoreau, the toilers and dreamers, all those who seek to rise above the beast within and shape the brutal chaos of existence into something higher, richer and imbued with meaning -- have lost. The better world we thought had been won out of the blood and horror of history -- a realm of enlightenment that often found its best embodiment in the ideals and aspirations of the American Republic -- is gone. It's been swallowed by darkness, by ravening greed, by bestial spirits and by willful primitives who now possess overwhelming instruments of power and dominion.
A gang of such spirits seized control of the U.S. government by illicit means in 2000 and maintained that control through rampant electoral corruption in 2004. The re-election of President George W. Bush last November was a deliberately shambolic process that saw massive lockouts of opposition voters; unverifiable returns compiled by easily hackable machines operated by avowed corporate partisans of the ruling party; and vast discrepancies between exit polls and final results - gaps much larger than those that led elections in Ukraine and Georgia to be condemned as manipulated frauds. Indeed, a panel of statisticians said last week that the odds of such a discrepancy occurring naturally were 959,000 to 1, the Akron Beacon-Journal reported.
The copious documentation of the Bush fraud keeps growing. Last month, experts using actual machines and returns from the 2004 election showed Congress how a lone hacker could skew a precinct's results by 100,000 votes without leaving a trace. More than 40 million votes in 30 states were cast on such computer systems, BlackBoxVoting noted.
Late last year, Congress heard sworn testimony from Florida programmer Clint Curtis, who created vote-rigging software in 2000 at the request of Tom Feeny, a Bush Family factotum. Feeny wanted Curtis (a fellow Republican) and his employer, Yang Enterprises, to produce untraceable programs that could "control the vote" as needed, investigator Brad Friedman reported. Feeny also told Curtis of Bush plans to "suppress the black vote" with "exclusion lists." This is exactly what happened. BBC investigator Greg Palast has shown that tens of thousands of legitimate African-American voters were deliberately "purged" from the rolls by a private Republican-controlled corporation hired by Florida Governor Jeb Bush. Afterwards, Feeny -- who had been Jeb's running mate in his first gubernatorial campaign -- was rewarded for his dutiful service with a plum congressional seat.
In 2002, Raymond Lemme, a Florida state government inspector, took up Curtis' charges, which included other corruption allegations involving Feeny, Yang Enterprises and a Yang employee charged with peddling military technology to the Chinese. In June 2003, Lemme told Curtis he had "tracked the corruption all the way to the top" and that "the story would break in a few weeks." On July 1, 2003, Lemme was found dead in a Georgia hotel room, just across the Florida border.
Local police ruled that Lemme, a happily married man eagerly planning his daughter's wedding, had suddenly decided to slash his wrists. At first they said there were no photos of the death scene; but then the pictures turned up on the Internet and were confirmed as authentic by the embarrassed police. The photos clearly contradicted the original suicide report on several points -- presenting evidence, for example, that Lemme had been beaten before his death. The investigation was reopened after Curtis' Congressional testimony -- and then abruptly shut down after local police spoke to a never-identified "someone" in the Florida state government.
Needless to say, nothing has been done to clarify the murk surrounding Lemme's convenient death. Nor has there been any action toward rectifying the highly profitable degradation of the American electoral process -- beyond the appointment of yet another "blue-ribbon panel" of Establishment worthies to oversee "election reform." The seriousness of this endeavor can be seen in the man appointed to co-chair the effort: James Baker, the notorious Bush family fixer (and Saudi bagman) who spearheaded the sabotage of the 2000 vote in Florida. Baker's presence on the panel ensures that nothing will be done to lessen the ruling clique's chokehold on power.
So let's have no illusions about where we are. Gangsters are in charge, and nothing and no one will be allowed to challenge their dominion. They are waging aggressive war to cement their position and that of their allies: the energy barons, the arms merchants, the construction and services cartels, the investment bankers. These power blocs now command monstrous resources and unfathomable profits; they can buy out, buy off or bury any force that opposes them. Meanwhile, they use the loot of the stolen Republic -- its blood and treasure -- as fuel for their ever-expanding war machine: Bush now has a "secret watch-list" of 25 more countries ripe for military intervention, the Financial Times reported.
With more war crimes afoot, last month Bush issued an official "National Defense Strategy" that openly declares "judicial processes" as one of the enemies confronting the United States, actually equating them with terrorism, The Associated Press reported. Law is "a strategy of the weak," says the Bush Doctrine, in a chilling echo of Hitlerian machtpolitik: Might makes right. The judicial process must not be allowed to "constrain or shape" American behavior in any way, the gangsters declared.
Think of it: Law is now the enemy. Democracy, as we've seen above, is the enemy. This, the demented code of criminals and tyrants, has become the ruling doctrine of the United States -- replacing the Constitution, replacing the noble struggle for liberty and enlightenment with the howl of the beast, with a freak show of avarice and death.
from: http://www.rense.com/
By Chris Floyd
The Moscow Times
4-7-5
Let's face the facts. The game is over and we -- the "reality-based community," the believers in genuine democracy and law, the heirs of Jefferson and Madison, Emerson and Thoreau, the toilers and dreamers, all those who seek to rise above the beast within and shape the brutal chaos of existence into something higher, richer and imbued with meaning -- have lost. The better world we thought had been won out of the blood and horror of history -- a realm of enlightenment that often found its best embodiment in the ideals and aspirations of the American Republic -- is gone. It's been swallowed by darkness, by ravening greed, by bestial spirits and by willful primitives who now possess overwhelming instruments of power and dominion.
A gang of such spirits seized control of the U.S. government by illicit means in 2000 and maintained that control through rampant electoral corruption in 2004. The re-election of President George W. Bush last November was a deliberately shambolic process that saw massive lockouts of opposition voters; unverifiable returns compiled by easily hackable machines operated by avowed corporate partisans of the ruling party; and vast discrepancies between exit polls and final results - gaps much larger than those that led elections in Ukraine and Georgia to be condemned as manipulated frauds. Indeed, a panel of statisticians said last week that the odds of such a discrepancy occurring naturally were 959,000 to 1, the Akron Beacon-Journal reported.
The copious documentation of the Bush fraud keeps growing. Last month, experts using actual machines and returns from the 2004 election showed Congress how a lone hacker could skew a precinct's results by 100,000 votes without leaving a trace. More than 40 million votes in 30 states were cast on such computer systems, BlackBoxVoting noted.
Late last year, Congress heard sworn testimony from Florida programmer Clint Curtis, who created vote-rigging software in 2000 at the request of Tom Feeny, a Bush Family factotum. Feeny wanted Curtis (a fellow Republican) and his employer, Yang Enterprises, to produce untraceable programs that could "control the vote" as needed, investigator Brad Friedman reported. Feeny also told Curtis of Bush plans to "suppress the black vote" with "exclusion lists." This is exactly what happened. BBC investigator Greg Palast has shown that tens of thousands of legitimate African-American voters were deliberately "purged" from the rolls by a private Republican-controlled corporation hired by Florida Governor Jeb Bush. Afterwards, Feeny -- who had been Jeb's running mate in his first gubernatorial campaign -- was rewarded for his dutiful service with a plum congressional seat.
In 2002, Raymond Lemme, a Florida state government inspector, took up Curtis' charges, which included other corruption allegations involving Feeny, Yang Enterprises and a Yang employee charged with peddling military technology to the Chinese. In June 2003, Lemme told Curtis he had "tracked the corruption all the way to the top" and that "the story would break in a few weeks." On July 1, 2003, Lemme was found dead in a Georgia hotel room, just across the Florida border.
Local police ruled that Lemme, a happily married man eagerly planning his daughter's wedding, had suddenly decided to slash his wrists. At first they said there were no photos of the death scene; but then the pictures turned up on the Internet and were confirmed as authentic by the embarrassed police. The photos clearly contradicted the original suicide report on several points -- presenting evidence, for example, that Lemme had been beaten before his death. The investigation was reopened after Curtis' Congressional testimony -- and then abruptly shut down after local police spoke to a never-identified "someone" in the Florida state government.
Needless to say, nothing has been done to clarify the murk surrounding Lemme's convenient death. Nor has there been any action toward rectifying the highly profitable degradation of the American electoral process -- beyond the appointment of yet another "blue-ribbon panel" of Establishment worthies to oversee "election reform." The seriousness of this endeavor can be seen in the man appointed to co-chair the effort: James Baker, the notorious Bush family fixer (and Saudi bagman) who spearheaded the sabotage of the 2000 vote in Florida. Baker's presence on the panel ensures that nothing will be done to lessen the ruling clique's chokehold on power.
So let's have no illusions about where we are. Gangsters are in charge, and nothing and no one will be allowed to challenge their dominion. They are waging aggressive war to cement their position and that of their allies: the energy barons, the arms merchants, the construction and services cartels, the investment bankers. These power blocs now command monstrous resources and unfathomable profits; they can buy out, buy off or bury any force that opposes them. Meanwhile, they use the loot of the stolen Republic -- its blood and treasure -- as fuel for their ever-expanding war machine: Bush now has a "secret watch-list" of 25 more countries ripe for military intervention, the Financial Times reported.
With more war crimes afoot, last month Bush issued an official "National Defense Strategy" that openly declares "judicial processes" as one of the enemies confronting the United States, actually equating them with terrorism, The Associated Press reported. Law is "a strategy of the weak," says the Bush Doctrine, in a chilling echo of Hitlerian machtpolitik: Might makes right. The judicial process must not be allowed to "constrain or shape" American behavior in any way, the gangsters declared.
Think of it: Law is now the enemy. Democracy, as we've seen above, is the enemy. This, the demented code of criminals and tyrants, has become the ruling doctrine of the United States -- replacing the Constitution, replacing the noble struggle for liberty and enlightenment with the howl of the beast, with a freak show of avarice and death.
from: http://www.rense.com/
Muscletang
04-11-2005, 03:38 PM
Sounds like another Kerry and Gore brown noser. It also sounds like what Kerry is saying about Republicans rigging and screwing the voting system over.
lickem
04-11-2005, 08:49 PM
show me one scrap of proof that can back up any of these claims, funny how it comes from a Russian newspaper notorious for propoganda
Franko914
04-11-2005, 11:52 PM
NOPE! He stole this one fair and square...
Get over the reality (by now, five freakin' months!!!) that Bush is still president. If you don't like the fact that Dubya Stuck It Up Ya! (and other whiners like you), well, you're going to be REALLY miserable for the next 3-1/2+ years, but, hey!, be my guest. Ain't nothing like snivelling liberals to really perk up the economy.
Remember the British tabloid that ran the headline, "How Could 53 Million Americans Be So Stupid?" Well, one reason is because there were 53 million Americans who exercised their right to vote, the totals constituting both electoral and popular majorities. Just like snivelling liberals here, snivelling liberals there are equally miserable.
Go ahead, spread more innuendos, shovel in more lawsuits. Before long, your collective misery should grow into something useful and productive ...like horse sh*t.
[QUOTE=fredjacksonsan]The Big Fix
By Chris Floyd
The Moscow Times
4-7-5
<snip>
A gang of such spirits seized control of the U.S. government by illicit means in 2000 and maintained that control through rampant electoral corruption in 2004.
<snip>
Get over the reality (by now, five freakin' months!!!) that Bush is still president. If you don't like the fact that Dubya Stuck It Up Ya! (and other whiners like you), well, you're going to be REALLY miserable for the next 3-1/2+ years, but, hey!, be my guest. Ain't nothing like snivelling liberals to really perk up the economy.
Remember the British tabloid that ran the headline, "How Could 53 Million Americans Be So Stupid?" Well, one reason is because there were 53 million Americans who exercised their right to vote, the totals constituting both electoral and popular majorities. Just like snivelling liberals here, snivelling liberals there are equally miserable.
Go ahead, spread more innuendos, shovel in more lawsuits. Before long, your collective misery should grow into something useful and productive ...like horse sh*t.
[QUOTE=fredjacksonsan]The Big Fix
By Chris Floyd
The Moscow Times
4-7-5
<snip>
A gang of such spirits seized control of the U.S. government by illicit means in 2000 and maintained that control through rampant electoral corruption in 2004.
<snip>
carrrnuttt
04-12-2005, 12:29 AM
And yet, the Bush apologists close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and yell "LALALALALALALALALA".
Don't any of you even fucking DARE call yourselves conservatives. You are fucking apes, following the head chimp into oblivion.
Here, how about something from the Army Times?
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-731426.php
Here's a direct quote:
The new documents total more than 50 pages and mainly outline big-picture concepts. But they are not without controversy. A section on U.S. vulnerabilities states: “Our strength as a nation will continue to be challenged by those who employ a ‘strategy of the weak’ using international [forums], judicial processes and terrorism.”
WTF? Judicial process is a strategy of the weak?
What about this?: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6632031/
Before you go "LALALA" again, realize that somebody plead guilty.
If you think they will do this for a Senatorial race, do you really believe they will not at least attempt anything on a national level election?
I can't wait for 2008, so I can vote McCain into the Republican top-spot, and I can feel better about this country. Maybe HE can do something about the border. But then again, Sen. McCain might not be in the Washington Mafia's plans.
Don't any of you even fucking DARE call yourselves conservatives. You are fucking apes, following the head chimp into oblivion.
Here, how about something from the Army Times?
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-731426.php
Here's a direct quote:
The new documents total more than 50 pages and mainly outline big-picture concepts. But they are not without controversy. A section on U.S. vulnerabilities states: “Our strength as a nation will continue to be challenged by those who employ a ‘strategy of the weak’ using international [forums], judicial processes and terrorism.”
WTF? Judicial process is a strategy of the weak?
What about this?: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6632031/
Before you go "LALALA" again, realize that somebody plead guilty.
If you think they will do this for a Senatorial race, do you really believe they will not at least attempt anything on a national level election?
I can't wait for 2008, so I can vote McCain into the Republican top-spot, and I can feel better about this country. Maybe HE can do something about the border. But then again, Sen. McCain might not be in the Washington Mafia's plans.
Franko914
04-12-2005, 06:50 AM
<snip>
I can't wait for 2008, so I can vote McCain into the Republican top-spot, and I can feel better about this country. Maybe HE can do something about the border. But then again, Sen. McCain might not be in the Washington Mafia's plans.
That's good but for now, Bush is in the Republican top-spot whether you like it or not, and it's obviously "not" for you. Suck it in and live with it. The incessant whining of the folks who backed losers in the past election(s) has become nothing but noise now.
I can't wait for 2008, so I can vote McCain into the Republican top-spot, and I can feel better about this country. Maybe HE can do something about the border. But then again, Sen. McCain might not be in the Washington Mafia's plans.
That's good but for now, Bush is in the Republican top-spot whether you like it or not, and it's obviously "not" for you. Suck it in and live with it. The incessant whining of the folks who backed losers in the past election(s) has become nothing but noise now.
fredjacksonsan
04-12-2005, 07:35 AM
show me one scrap of proof that can back up any of these claims, funny how it comes from a Russian newspaper notorious for propoganda
Hey, I found the article on the internet it has to be true!! :lol:
I just thought it an interesting rant. Bush is in the White House for another 3 1/2 and I'm not whining. But I AM thinking...."What if".....as in what if the accusations are true.
Hey, I found the article on the internet it has to be true!! :lol:
I just thought it an interesting rant. Bush is in the White House for another 3 1/2 and I'm not whining. But I AM thinking...."What if".....as in what if the accusations are true.
TexasF355F1
04-12-2005, 01:14 PM
Hey, I found the article on the internet it has to be true!! :lol:
I just thought it an interesting rant. Bush is in the White House for another 3 1/2 and I'm not whining. But I AM thinking...."What if".....as in what if the accusations are true.
This right here makes me question it greatly:
"The Big Fix
By Chris Floyd
The Moscow Times"
I just thought it an interesting rant. Bush is in the White House for another 3 1/2 and I'm not whining. But I AM thinking...."What if".....as in what if the accusations are true.
This right here makes me question it greatly:
"The Big Fix
By Chris Floyd
The Moscow Times"
lamehonda
04-12-2005, 01:17 PM
Of course bush was elected illegally. He got more votes than kerry, and that has to be illegall :loser:
fredjacksonsan
04-12-2005, 03:50 PM
Me, too Texas. "Chris Floyd" definitely ain't a Russian name.
A bit farfetched at points I agree, and the Kerry whiners/Bush winners debate has been beat to death in other threads; but let's discuss the ramifications from the point of view that the stuff in that article is true. You have election manipulation on a huge scale and a fraudulent president.
A bit farfetched at points I agree, and the Kerry whiners/Bush winners debate has been beat to death in other threads; but let's discuss the ramifications from the point of view that the stuff in that article is true. You have election manipulation on a huge scale and a fraudulent president.
YogsVR4
04-12-2005, 04:42 PM
Definately more crying from the sore loser group.
I'm glad we have a conservative in office. I only wish he were more conservative on fiscal matters and more liberal on some social issues. But its a lot better then that SOB Kerry would be. Its to bad the dumbshit conservative want-to-bes don't know what a conservative really is.
It would great if Jeb would run in 08 and win if for no other reason then to see the more spastic among us blow a gasket. :lol:
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I'm glad we have a conservative in office. I only wish he were more conservative on fiscal matters and more liberal on some social issues. But its a lot better then that SOB Kerry would be. Its to bad the dumbshit conservative want-to-bes don't know what a conservative really is.
It would great if Jeb would run in 08 and win if for no other reason then to see the more spastic among us blow a gasket. :lol:
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Kurtdg19
04-12-2005, 04:50 PM
Well I won't assume legitimacy throughout the entire article, but its always interesting to hear other's perspectives. Its simply just another theory, but always fun to read. :smile:
I do wonder how he managed to concieve a 25% (real estimate) unemployment rate (based by population and payroll)? Maybe the author forgot that people under the age of 16 usually don't work? A lack of sourcing always makes theories less credibile.
Anyways i'll pass it off, until its proved or actually 'happens'.
I do wonder how he managed to concieve a 25% (real estimate) unemployment rate (based by population and payroll)? Maybe the author forgot that people under the age of 16 usually don't work? A lack of sourcing always makes theories less credibile.
Anyways i'll pass it off, until its proved or actually 'happens'.
Flatrater
04-12-2005, 07:50 PM
WTF? Judicial process is a strategy of the weak?
What about this?: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6632031/
I believe running to the courts as Gore did would be considered weak. Seeking out lawsuits when the truth is clear as day is weak.
Do you actually think the democrats didn't try to change the outcome of the elections? They did just not too good. Unless you think the dems are too stupid and are unable to do the same thing as you claim the republicans did.
What about this?: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6632031/
I believe running to the courts as Gore did would be considered weak. Seeking out lawsuits when the truth is clear as day is weak.
Do you actually think the democrats didn't try to change the outcome of the elections? They did just not too good. Unless you think the dems are too stupid and are unable to do the same thing as you claim the republicans did.
TexasF355F1
04-12-2005, 08:59 PM
Definately more crying from the sore loser group.
I'm glad we have a conservative in office. I only wish he were more conservative on fiscal matters and more liberal on some social issues. But its a lot better then that SOB Kerry would be. Its to bad the dumbshit conservative want-to-bes don't know what a conservative really is.
It would great if Jeb would run in 08 and win if for no other reason then to see the more spastic among us blow a gasket. :lol:
As funny as that would be I would actually be scared to have him in charge of our country.
I'm glad we have a conservative in office. I only wish he were more conservative on fiscal matters and more liberal on some social issues. But its a lot better then that SOB Kerry would be. Its to bad the dumbshit conservative want-to-bes don't know what a conservative really is.
It would great if Jeb would run in 08 and win if for no other reason then to see the more spastic among us blow a gasket. :lol:
As funny as that would be I would actually be scared to have him in charge of our country.
carrrnuttt
04-12-2005, 11:45 PM
I'm glad we have a conservative in office.
I'm not alone in my assessment of the chimp:
http://www.bear-left.com/original/2002/1202myth.html
http://news.neilrogers.com/news/articles/2005033029.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_10/004974.php
http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/seese/seese1.html
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20030718
http://rightminded.net/archives/category/taxes/
http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=1285
I know you will not read the above Mr. Yogs, as you have always seemed to be content with the "news" that the White House spoon-feeds you with its right hand, as you "conservatively" eat it all up - while you "conservatively" ignore what its left-hand is doing.
I'm not alone in my assessment of the chimp:
http://www.bear-left.com/original/2002/1202myth.html
http://news.neilrogers.com/news/articles/2005033029.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_10/004974.php
http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/seese/seese1.html
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20030718
http://rightminded.net/archives/category/taxes/
http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=1285
I know you will not read the above Mr. Yogs, as you have always seemed to be content with the "news" that the White House spoon-feeds you with its right hand, as you "conservatively" eat it all up - while you "conservatively" ignore what its left-hand is doing.
fredjacksonsan
04-13-2005, 07:03 AM
Good articles, cnuttt. While I agree it's good to be a staunch supporter of someone you believe in, it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to the possibility that your hero might not be what you want or expect them to be.
lickem
04-14-2005, 02:02 PM
I know you will not read the above Mr. Yogs, as you have always seemed to be content with the "news" that the White House spoon-feeds you with its right hand, as you "conservatively" eat it all up - while you "conservatively" ignore what its left-hand is doing.
maybe, just maybe theres a lil naki in all of us
maybe, just maybe theres a lil naki in all of us
YogsVR4
04-14-2005, 06:45 PM
I'm not alone in my assessment of the chimp:
No - you're not. Lemmings jumping off a cliff aren't alone either, but that doesn't make them right.
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No - you're not. Lemmings jumping off a cliff aren't alone either, but that doesn't make them right.
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fredjacksonsan
04-15-2005, 07:11 AM
No - you're not. Lemmings jumping off a cliff aren't alone either, but that doesn't make them right.
I reiterate my point:
While I agree it's good to be a staunch supporter of someone you believe in, it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to the possibility that your hero might not be what you want or expect them to be.
I reiterate my point:
While I agree it's good to be a staunch supporter of someone you believe in, it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to the possibility that your hero might not be what you want or expect them to be.
carrrnuttt
04-15-2005, 10:37 AM
No - you're not. Lemmings jumping off a cliff aren't alone either, but that doesn't make them right.
You misuse the lemming analogy. It is for the ones following the trend, as you are.
You misuse the lemming analogy. It is for the ones following the trend, as you are.
twospirits
04-15-2005, 11:20 AM
maybe, just maybe theres a lil naki in all of us:lol:
Where is the unofficial Democratic Party leader anyway?
Good post, but I doubt anything will ever come out of it. Bush is in office and nothing short of a full blown out scandal would get him out. We are stuck with him regardless if he won legally or not. i in turn believe there have been numerous illegal activities in this past elecvtion from both sides. More so on the Bush side, but thats just my opinion. Regardless, its the bottom line that counts and as such the Republicans came out ahead. Be it that there were more voters for them or not enough voters going to vote its done for and we are stuck with him.
TS out
Where is the unofficial Democratic Party leader anyway?
Good post, but I doubt anything will ever come out of it. Bush is in office and nothing short of a full blown out scandal would get him out. We are stuck with him regardless if he won legally or not. i in turn believe there have been numerous illegal activities in this past elecvtion from both sides. More so on the Bush side, but thats just my opinion. Regardless, its the bottom line that counts and as such the Republicans came out ahead. Be it that there were more voters for them or not enough voters going to vote its done for and we are stuck with him.
TS out
YogsVR4
04-15-2005, 10:31 PM
I reiterate my point:
While I agree it's good to be a staunch supporter of someone you believe in, it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to the possibility that your hero might not be what you want or expect them to be.
Hero? Blind eye? :screwy:
I support the president's stance on many issues and a few I am on the complete opposite side. I no more believe all the good press he gets then I do all the bad press he gets. Though there are some here who only believe one side of the story.
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While I agree it's good to be a staunch supporter of someone you believe in, it's not a good idea to turn a blind eye to the possibility that your hero might not be what you want or expect them to be.
Hero? Blind eye? :screwy:
I support the president's stance on many issues and a few I am on the complete opposite side. I no more believe all the good press he gets then I do all the bad press he gets. Though there are some here who only believe one side of the story.
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stang351
04-15-2005, 11:18 PM
who's to say that Kerry had all squeaky clean legal votes?
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