Can VH41DE, VH45De or VK45 go into S13

Hi All

I would like to check is there any one out there who have put any of these VH41DE, VH45De or VK45DE engine into a S13 240sx?

I am intrested in having a V8 S13.

Please advised

Regards
Derrick

(I have put a wrong RB25DET engine into my S13)

Good luck with the swap I dont believe ANYONE has done it. besides there are next to no performance parts for these engines so I hope you enjoy long hours of custom fabrication. What do you mena wrong RB25?

you might be better off with a chevy small block or somethig, i think those swaps have been done

Why into an S13?? What could possibly be a valid reason? You'll lose the handling because of the big ass engine.

Why into an S13?? What could possibly be a valid reason? You'll lose the handling because of the big ass engine.

Everyone isn't cncerned with great handling. Maybe he wants a freakishly fast car, not one that turns like a go kart, just food for thought.

Then buy a Z32TT or an FD, besides you can have a freakishly fast KA or SR.

besides you can have a freakishly fast KA or SR.

Or you clould have 350+HP normally aspirated with bolt-ons. 99% of the time a engine thats close to stock will out live a tuned.

Ive seen a few VK41 swaps around. you might have better luck asking on Freshalloy. because it twas a nifty looking swap.


OMG TeH S13 handling Balanzors must be MaintainederZ11!!1!!!! Please, Swap around some of the weight with a silvia front, relocated battery and CF hood and it would prolly be better than stock.

there have been vh v8 swaps into s13's. search the interweb.

. search the interweb.


LOL, ha ha ha ... i like that one , Search the INTERWEB... (sounds risky)

901 post !!!!

nice only 99 more to goto 1000 yay

I've seen a swap like this over on FA. I'll see if I can find it again.

VH41 into an S13 (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=67748773&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

Update with a lot more pics (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=67873503&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

edit: where the fuck did my avatar go? i dont see it.

edit again: i'm a moron.

Hey J Spec who is that in your avatar??

that swap look spretty intense...

Hey J Spec who is that in your avatar??

That would be Next Door Nikki.

ha ha ha ... seriouslly, can i meet her?

ha ha ha ... seriouslly, can i meet her?

Sure. http://www.nextdoornikki.com/
Link is *NWS*

Good luck with the swap I dont believe ANYONE has done it. besides there are next to no performance parts for these engines so I hope you enjoy long hours of custom fabrication. What do you mena wrong RB25?


I think there is someone that does it before or maybe even a lot for now. I had a RB25 inside my engine bay. But CA18DET was back in the bay for the time being now. I was thinking of stripping the RB down, headwork, a 3l bottom, big turbo, etc.

But out of the blue I had this idea of V8, and reliased there is some info here that it may be possible.

thinking it may be more nasty to go for it. No replacement for displacement.

sound of V8, high rev for being short stoke? , enigne being fully aluminuium not that heavy after all? ......


Derrick :smokin:

The VH and VK V8s don't really throw the balance off by much. The VH is the heavier of the V8s, and barely weighs 30lbs more than a KA(VH is aluminum).

I'd be willing to move my battery and strip out a couple unnecessary things to make up for the extra weight. Even if I didn't, I'm sure the extra 110hp(weakest V8 is VH41DE with 266hp) will overcome that small weight gain.

Unlike an RB, the VH and VK are roughly the same length as a KA. They're just wider, since they are two banks of four cylinders. Here's a low-budget diagram. Each '*' represents a cylinder.
VH and VK V8s
****
****

KA I4
****

RB I6
******

See what I mean? The RB is longer than the KA, VH and VK, and since it's an iron block engine, it's heavier too.

The VH and VK V8s don't really throw the balance off by much. The VH is the heavier of the V8s, and barely weighs 30lbs more than a KA(VH is aluminum).

I'd be willing to move my battery and strip out a couple unnecessary things to make up for the extra weight. Even if I didn't, I'm sure the extra 110hp(weakest V8 is VH41DE with 266hp) will overcome that small weight gain.

Unlike an RB, the VH and VK are roughly the same length as a KA. They're just wider, since they are two banks of four cylinders. Here's a low-budget diagram. Each '*' represents a cylinder.
VH and VK V8s
****
****

KA I4
****

RB I6
******

See what I mean? The RB is longer than the KA, VH and VK, and since it's an iron block engine, it's heavier too.



Thank you for your info. It really does make lots of sense to me. Any way, I had a RB25 sway done and the power really do make up for the weight. But after all, I felt the RB25 only affect a bit on the overall handling. I still visit "street track", drift and coner hard with the RB. The car still bite the ground.

So now the question is still: VH41DE, VH45DE or VK45DE? for S13

Thanks

out of the V8s... which one produces the most hp/ per lbs the engine weighs?....

An alternative is a Lexus V8 in an S13. I've seen it done in a Silvia, and it's only 20kg heavier than a CA18 (which can be made up by moving the battery and getting a CF hood + fibreglass bumper.

Oh yeah, it goes HARD!

you might be better off with a chevy small block or somethig, i think those swaps have been done

I Love Nissan.

Why into an S13?? What could possibly be a valid reason? You'll lose the handling because of the big ass engine.


I love displacement and the idea of V8. will be checking out on the weight of the engine but I believe it will not be too much of a problem. Alumin is light. With the RB25, the handling is not bad too. So, guess the V8 is about the same.

there have been vh v8 swaps into s13's. search the interweb.

Can you help to direct any site ? Thanks

VH41 into an S13 (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=67748773&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

Update with a lot more pics (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=67873503&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

edit: where the fuck did my avatar go? i dont see it.

edit again: i'm a moron.


Thanks for all the info. It was these info that inspire me to try out this project. It would be a long way to start for this project. i will do all my homework, save up meanwhile and hunt for the engine. properly will look for an front cut cima VH41De. But i believe the reward will pay off everything.

out of the V8s... which one produces the most hp/ per lbs the engine weighs?....

I do not have all the info yet. But below is the info i could find at the moment. would really appreciate if some one can help to fill up the blank.

Engine Weight Power Torque Bore/Stroke Price availibity

VK45DE ? 340 333 93 x 82.7? ? difficult?
VH45DE ? 278@6K 292@4k 93 x 82.7 ? medium?
VH41DE ? 266@5.6K 278@4K 93 x 76 ? difficult?


Thank you.

Derrick

An alternative is a Lexus V8 in an S13. I've seen it done in a Silvia, and it's only 20kg heavier than a CA18 (which can be made up by moving the battery and getting a CF hood + fibreglass bumper.

Oh yeah, it goes HARD!



I know nothing about Lexus. what is the engine code? LS1? hear very ex. An nissan engine will sound better too. any site I could see this Lexus powered S13?

LS1 is a GM engine, same for LT1. It's the V8 out of the GS430, it's what Rhys Millen's dad's company put into the IS300.

Sure. http://www.nextdoornikki.com/
Link is *NWS*

LOL!

out of the V8s... which one produces the most hp/ per lbs the engine weighs?....

The VK45 weighs the least, and with 345hp, easily has the highest output(and output per pound). The two VHs weigh about the same, but the 4.5L makes a bit more power than the newer 4.1L.

The VHs were around from 1989(I think) to 1997, so there are more available. Like Doctorchee posted, it will be a little more difficult to get a VK. For a while, the only VK-powered vehicles were the 3rd gen Q45 and 1st gen M45, both of which were not very hot sellers. The popularity of the FX45 and the new 2nd gen M45 should help matters, though.

Another option for the VK could be the VK56, better known as the 'Endurance' used in the Titan, Armada, and QX56. Those three probably sell in greater numbers than the 4.5L Infiniti vehicles. I think Nissan sold around 100k Titans last year alone. The VK56 doesn't have the top end power of the VK45, but it's got tons of low-end torque(389lb-ft, I think), which is great for those who are into the stoplight grand prix.

Regarding stuffing a VK or VH engine into an S13, there was a guy (I believe he was on AF) from South Florida who was in the process of putting a VK45 into his 240SX (S13). I lost contact with him, but the thread was from last spring/summer. Last I recall hearing from him was that he was going to have to cut into the firewall to line things up properly. One of the major differences between a VK/VH engine and a small block V8 is that they are DOHC compared to pushrod engines. This makes them very wide up top and bigger overall. Doesn't mean you can't put it into the car, just means there's less room for other stuff.

I received an email from a guy who has just developped a kit to put an LS1 or LT1 (your choice) into an S13. Apparently, the LS2 has the same mounting patterns as the LS1, same goes for the brand new LS7. This means you could drop a 400hp (stock LS2) or 500hp (stock LS7) engine into the S13 and with basic/minimal mods, get it up to 600 or 700hp.

I have pics of the S13 with LS1, but can't host (dialup).

I thank you for sharing your ideas and information, the more that can be gathered, the better a decision that can be made by those wanting something 'unconventional' for our beloved 240SX's.

EDIT: I'm a dork, just read the hyperlink on pg 1. This is the guy I was speaking with (via email, not the forum). Maybe someone could contact him via email or something to see how his project is coming along?