Tein or Omni?

Hey everyone...
i was wondering if any1 had experiences wth either tein or omni or both..what r the positives , negatives???
i know tein type flew with edfc is supposed to be very very good but it also runs around 1400...however omni's have been gettin great reviews on hondatech, clubsi, etc...omni coils setup runs about 650...and people who have used them say they r far better than tein when it comes to handling...
comments.. suggestions..all welcome

it all depends on what you want. if you're planning on being an auto-x/track whore, go with tein or something that is dampening adjustable. omni does have a good product, but the downside is dampening adjustable. if you're planning on just doing a couple auto-x events, go with the omni because it will save you money, and most people that have dampening adjustable coilovers mess it up. i shouldn't say most, but some people. just my :2cents:

tein has good products, but in my opinion, you're just paying for the name. it's like spoon. good products, but hella expensive.

i would much rather have adjustable dampening than adjustable ride height. With adjustable ride height you need to align and corner weight the car every time it's changed.

EDFC is a complete waste of money, IMO. I mean how hard is it to get out the car and turn 4 knobs on manual adjustables?

How do people mess up adjustable dampening? The only thing I can think of is they leave it on the stiffest setting blowing out the struts.

is omni damping adj? i dun think iread anything about it being damper adj.
i know with tein ur just paying for the name and good product also..but omni is good..some say too stiff though

is omni manually damp adj.. i meant

I don't think the Omni coilovers are dampening adjustable. As for stiffness, they offer 3 different setups. A sport, drag and street setup. The sport setup comes with 10k and 8k springs front and rear respectively if you're worried about it being too stiff.

So hands down which is the better option for street/ moderate track applications. ive heard nothign but good about omni.......

I'd go with the middle ground and pick up the Street coilovers from Omni.

my tax $$ is coming this week and im going with the omni street set up with adjustable upper controll arms. i cant wait to get them and ill post up the installation and of the finished product. it will be a few weeks though, need like an entire weekend to install it because i will be working by myself and its the first time i have ever installed full coil over (i have done springs before).

full coilovers are easier than just springs. You just swap out the entire assembly instead of having to the take apart your strut and replace the spring then reassemble it. Although the control arms might take a little time, but those aren't very difficult to replace either.

i still need a spring compressor to get the existing springs out right? the ones from omni i have heard come already compressed.

u dun need a spring compressor to get the springs off...infact if ur getting the coil over set up u can just leave the old springs on the old shocks and jus swap in the ur new set up...
but if u have to take the springs off...jus face it away from ur face..the spring will pop out but not so far...
and if u still want a compressor..u can get one from autozone leave a deposit that they return to u when u give the compressor back..



so street or sport???? i know the sport is stiffer...
but hopefully b going to the track this summer...and eventually this will be my track car only..well when the new si is out that is...

So with omni do youhaev to use any stock pieces?

[QUOTE=BlazeD0ut06]u dun need a spring compressor to get the springs off...infact if ur getting the coil over set up u can just leave the old springs on the old shocks and jus swap in the ur new set up...
but if u have to take the springs off...jus face it away from ur face..the spring will pop out but not so far...
and if u still want a compressor..u can get one from autozone leave a deposit that they return to u when u give the compressor back..



so street or sport???? i know the sport is stiffer...
but hopefully b going to the track this summer...and eventually this will be my track car only..well when the new si is out that is...[/QUOTE

thats what i thought. maybe this wont take as long as i first imagined. i seriously cant wait to get the suspension set up. eventualy im going to do the front and rear sway bars. when i order the coil overs im also ordering the front and rear strut tower braces since ill have the bolts off anyway, and then its off to the allignment shop.

omni's are complete coilovers, but youll still need the front forks(as with most other aftermarket shocks for hondas).

if you are installing a complete coilover, you dont need the spring compressor. the spring compressor is just to seperate the spring from the damper, but if you are replacing the whole shock absorber assembly you wont be needing to remove the spring from the damper.

the Omnipower Street and Sport dampers are the same(just springs are different). the valving is biased towards Sport so it doesnt match as well on the Street coilovers. The reason they dont offer adjustable damping is because they designed it to run perfectly with those springs(with the Sports).

so im better off going with the sport set up because the springs are more suited for the strut they are on compared to the street that has less of a spring rate?

omni has both sleave and full coilovers out
tein has full coils and springs
tein is a laughable rip off imo
I might be selling my custom rated skunk 2s and koni yellows for omni street if i keep my car. Thats how highly a avid autoXer thinks of them.

so im better off going with the sport set up because the springs are more suited for the strut they are on compared to the street that has less of a spring rate?

if you want it to be comfortable on the street, just get the street. it doesnt handle "bad" or anything, its just that the dampers were valved to work best with the stiffer sport coilovers, for racing. if youre going to do some autocross or road racing, the sports would be good, but also very harsh on the road(due to the stiff springs).

i live in nyc...so potholes r a dime a dozen..but i avoid them now so i'll avoid them once i get the omni's too...
but i think im just gonna get the sport and get it over with...
i dun think the ride will be so much worse than the street setup..
springs rates aren;t really incredibly higher...

Something to look into and the MOST important factor for me in a true full coilover, is it able to be ovehauled? Teins are, in fact I'm going to get my rear ones revalved soon here. I've already upgraded the springs on all 4 to the stiffest that the factory valving on them will handle. I'd look into if Omnis can be revalved/overhauled the way that Teins and other brands can be. Sure Tein is a name, but you're also paying for quality with them as well as other important key features like shock dampening which the $650 Omnis DO NOT have. They are only height adjustable. Also to clear up some false information here, Tein DOES make some very affordable products. Tein Basic kit (there height only adjustable equivallent kit to Omnis) can be had for UNDER $700 if you look and shop around enough. They aren't so expensive in comparison if you KNOW what to look for and where. ;)

well i'm not going with either tein or omni acutally..
i'm getting koni/neuspeed sp3's with ground control sleeves...
i've heard great things about them..the shocks and springs...and they r great for all type of driving...
gettin em next week..can't wait...

well i'm not going with either tein or omni acutally..
i'm getting koni/neuspeed sp3's with ground control sleeves...
i've heard great things about them..the shocks and springs...and they r great for all type of driving...
gettin em next week..can't wait...

A good combo I hear, but it's not as good as a true matched spring/shock combo that only true coilovers can offer.

well if it matters, lots of the honda racers like to use Koni Yellows with custom-rate GC coilovers. from what i hear, if you order the Koni's with the GC coilovers direct from GC, theyll revalve it to match the springs(the Koni's are rated to about 400lb but lots of people put 500 or 600lbs, it works but wear increases faster; a revalve would fix this).

btw, what is "shock dampening"? if its what i think it is, i would think all shock absorbers dampen "shock".

well if it matters, lots of the honda racers like to use Koni Yellows with custom-rate GC coilovers. from what i hear, if you order the Koni's with the GC coilovers direct from GC, theyll revalve it to match the springs(the Koni's are rated to about 400lb but lots of people put 500 or 600lbs, it works but wear increases faster; a revalve would fix this).

btw, what is "shock dampening"? if its what i think it is, i would think all shock absorbers dampen "shock".

I know some that use that combo as well. Also off the shelf Yellows can actually support up to 600lbs. on the standard valving.

Of course ALL shocks dampen shock, but some allow adjustment of this. For seeming so knowledgeable about this stuff, someone like you should know about adjustable dampening I would think.

the only adjustability i am familiar with is rebound and compression; i was thinking you meant shock as in something like high-frequency vibrations maybe? i dunno(most people just say dampening, i guess that threw me off some how lol)...

the thing about Koni Yellows handling 600lb; Koni recommends only up to 400lbs, although many have run 500 without a problem. They(Lee Grimes of Koni) said that the 600s cause increased wear; resulting in a early rebuild.

btw, im no suspension expert, i just share my knowledge of things ive read(mainly from suspension websites) and experience.

the only adjustability i am familiar with is rebound and compression; i was thinking you meant shock as in something like high-frequency vibrations maybe?

Bose(the audio company) is actually working something like that.
http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/learning/project_sound/suspension_challenge.jsp&pageName=/learning/project_sound/suspension_components.jsp

SilverY2Kcivic is right on the rates yellows can handle. I have personally called and talked to people at Koni many times myself. I always call the manufacturers myself, talk to them directly and do research before I buy. The Koni techincal and repair department has told me on several occasions, directly, that the Koni Yellows can handle up to 600lbs/inch. I called and asked then several times before I bought my set-up. The Neuspeed spec (SP3) ones have a 20mm shorter shaft, 5 perch adjustability versus 3 and slightly stiffer valving.

Also for Koni Yellows (SP3's) and Custom Rate (550 front 7" springs front, 450 7" springs rear) GC's...Great set-up, I have no complaints...exepct I wish I'd have gone a bit stiffer, somewhere between 600/500 - 650/550). It's a great set-up though. Also, both Koni AND Ground Control offer lifetime warrenties to the orignal purchaser, so SAVE the reciepts (FOr comparison, Tein is a 1 year warrenty and Skunk2 coilovers have a 90 day warrenty)..and Koni's are also re-buildable...also Koni can make the Yellows double adjustable if you so wish (for a fee of course, lol).

yes...precisely why i went with that combo...
gc makes sleeves specifically for koni that'll make it a perfect fit...
so even though it might not be a true coilover...it offers the same type of advantages...
also i didnlt order the custom rate springs although they r the same price..
i think off the shelf the gc sleeves are about 350/300..
and i think that should be more than sufficient for me right now...
it'll be stiff enough..and if not i can always get it redone...

yes...precisely why i went with that combo...
gc makes sleeves specifically for koni that'll make it a perfect fit...
so even though it might not be a true coilover...it offers the same type of advantages...
also i didnlt order the custom rate springs although they r the same price..
i think off the shelf the gc sleeves are about 350/300..
and i think that should be more than sufficient for me right now...
it'll be stiff enough..and if not i can always get it redone...

I never said it wasn't a good combo, in fact it is a good combo, I'm just very partial to full coilovers myself after having my Teins for almost 3 years now. I was originally looking at a GC/Koni Yellow combo, but with the Tein only $100-$150 more, the Tein was far more worth it and for a much more comfortable ride too, especially with things that can be added to them such as pillow-ball mounts, and the EDFC unit. Actually off the shelf GC's (unless they started ordering different Eibach springs for them) have spring rates of 380f/280r respectively. Soft to some, still too harsh to others, LOL! That's 6.5kg front/~3kg rear. I'm currently running 10kg front and 6kg rear on my Teins (559lbs/336lbs respectively). I'm contemplating revalving my rears so I can stick the 10kgs back there and put the original 8kgs up front, or I might just leave the 10's up front and go 8kg rear. With an extra set of springs I have, my options are plentyful. :cool:

380/330 or something of the sort is what was qouted to me by gc i think..either way i'm pretty sure i'll b happy with my setup...
also i know what u mean about tein being only $100 more..the ss that is...
my setup ran me about $810 i believe...
hefty price but susp first...swap next..