What subs should i get

I'm looking to create a system in my car that would blow away everyone elses system's in town. Mostly everyone has memphis which i think is shit or they have jl audio w7's. The biggest is 2 12" w7's with two 1000/1's jl amps. I need something thats going to blow that out of the water. I was thinking of maybe doing 4 10" jl w7's but im not sure i have heard alot about the new rockford power stage 2 and the adire audio brahma. I just dont know what to get or what amp i would get to power these things. Also these subs will be going in a 2002 monte carlo so i have alot of room. If anyone could help me out on what to get it would be a great help. I want a really loud system that also sounds the best that it can for around $5,000 tops. Thanks for your help!

I'm looking to create a system in my car that would blow away everyone elses system's in town. Mostly everyone has memphis which i think is shit or they have jl audio w7's. The biggest is 2 12" w7's with two 1000/1's jl amps. I need something thats going to blow that out of the water. I was thinking of maybe doing 4 10" jl w7's but im not sure i have heard alot about the new rockford power stage 2 and the adire audio brahma. I just dont know what to get or what amp i would get to power these things. Also these subs will be going in a 2002 monte carlo so i have alot of room. If anyone could help me out on what to get it would be a great help. I want a really loud system that also sounds the best that it can for around $5,000 tops. Thanks for your help!

Well, from what it sounds like...you want it LOUD and sounding good.

Check out:
www.reaudio.com (XXX series, call for direct pricing)
It's just as good (or better) than the w7 at a smaller price. It also has the potential to get louder ;)

As far as amps, depends on how many you plan on getting. You'll need AT LEAST 1000watts RMS per subwoofer...I'd recommend more in the 1200-1600rms range (1600 is recommended rms for the XXX).

When you're looking at that much power, you are DEFINITELY going to need a new electrical system. Check out www.sounddomain.com and get in on the Alternator Group buy at a discounted rate there...i'd say get a 250 amp alternator. You'll also need to upgrade your big three (Alt to battery positive, Batt negative to chassis ground, Batt negative to engine block ground...do this with 1/0 awg wire). I'd also replace my stock battery with a yellow top, and if possible...run a dedicated yellow top in the rear. This will keep your electrical up to par, and stable, and you won't have any problems running a few thousand watts ;)

LMK if you're looking for anything else like a HU, upgrading stock speakers, etc.

NG

substage: two ported xxx15's, two ported death penalty 15's, or two ported SX 15's at 28-35hz
sub amps: 2 Incriminator 20.1's for the xxx's one incriminator 20.1 for the DP's or SX's.
Total in subs 500-900 Total in amp(s) 750-1500
Total in subs and amps 1250-2400
Iraggi alternator.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7958419406&category=33573 350
D34 yellow top for under the hood http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7966422093&category=33574 155
D31 for the trunk off ebay 200
So for the 2 xxx 15's and 2 20.1's your looking at around 3200 with everything in and running
with the 2 DP's and one 20.1 around 2500
with the two sx's and one 20.1 around 2200.
DO you need a head unit and components?

ohh yea where are you located?

2 MT 18's ported tuned to 35Hz with a few SH-1's or 20.1's
F'in blow their asses away....
They wont even have a need to try and listen to their systems when you are around....

But seriously, 2 XXX 15's w/ 3200w will eat up 2 JL dub7 12's with 2000w....

2 MT 18's ported tuned to 35Hz with a few SH-1's or 20.1's
F'in blow their asses away....
They wont even have a need to try and listen to their systems when you are around....

But seriously, 2 XXX 15's w/ 3200w will eat up 2 JL dub7 12's with 2000w....

If you're looking at comparing to w7's...why would you EVER say anything about an MT?!?!?!

The XXX is a more musical, much better all around daily subwoofer, period.

NG

refer to ngsm's sig LMAO

yes i nd new components and a new head unit. Im not really sure what the best brand for head units is, right now i have an alpine cda-9833 but it has a dead channle so i would like to get a new one. I'm located in indinapolis. As long as the system that i have blows these w7's out of the water then i will be happy, i would like it to be able to beat two of the 13.5" w7's if thats not a problem to do. I want to be heard from a mile away lol. Thanks alot!

U should order everything then come to columbus, oh and let me help u install it cuz I wanna hear it!!!!

ohh yea almost forgot....... Since your gunna be wanting to go ported and have one HELL of a substage I'd xover to 8's then to a component set. Liiiiiiikkeee say some Koda 8's xed over to a koda component set and a nice 100-150x4. As far As HU's go get w/e alpine or eclipse's top of the line is ATM.

ohh yea almost forgot....... Since your gunna be wanting to go ported and have one HELL of a substage I'd xover to 8's then to a component set. Liiiiiiikkeee say some Koda 8's xed over to a koda component set and a nice 100-150x4. As far As HU's go get w/e alpine or eclipse's top of the line is ATM.

Mike...keep it simple.

I'd go with some CDT HD62 components up front, and get a 2 x 250rms amplifier to power them...thro some coaxials in the rear for fill. peace

NG

I have been looking and i think that im goin to go with the adire audio brahmas or re xxx's or mt's. Im not set on what i want to get yet, not really sure which is the best. I never really heard of any of these brands, i just know about all the maistream brands like rockford and JL. Also i nd to know what kinda amps i goin to nd i dont anything about these internet brands and what brand has the best amps. Thanks for all the help!

welll the MTs are great if you want for your car to break apart from bass.. but they arent desinged to sound great.. the xxxs and brahmas are designed for sq and just get loud at the same time.. so yeah if you want to really beat their systems then 2 MTs would kill people.. but if you still want your sub to sound great (and you should) then stick with xxxs or brahmas.. and id say xxxs cause they are a little louder than brahmas.. or in that case SXs cause theyre louder than XXXs..

but then again i dont know if the xxx vs. sx test with more power than recommended for the sx

20.1's from incriminator audio are badass amps. Check them out at www.visionaryaudio.com

you could try a couple of 15" MTX's thunder 9500 series, those are nice subs.

They get loud but won't have anything near the SQ to keep up with dub7's

so i should prolly get the xxx's or sx's, since i do want the sq to keep up with the w7's. What size should i get 10.12 or 15. Im not a big fan of the 15's i would rather have 4 10's but i dont know i never really heard a big difference. im taking it that the xxx's and sx are louder than the brahmas aswell from what you guys are saying. as long as it blows away the 2 13.5" w7's then i will be happy cause i want to show people that you dont have to go with JL just to get a good and loud system.

honestly if you got room you could do a pair of 18's and be hitting incredibly hard. What kind of vehicle do you have?

since you mentioned beating the w7 i think i can help. now dont get me wrong, the w7 is an awesome sub but here is a little bit of info most people have not seen and probably will not agree with but i have seen it and heard it (painfully). Two MTX Thunder 9512s in an S-10 with two 1000/1 amps pushing. subs completely enclosed in a ported enclosure. check out this webpage

http://mtx.com/caraudio/products/subwoofers/thunder9500.cfm

http://www.mtxaudio.com/caraudio/headtohead/w7.cfm

i will be getting a 2000-2005 monte carlo so i have alot of room. Im really not sure one what i want. i checked out the 20.1 amps and i do like them alot. i just dont know what to get yet but the xxx's are lookin really to me. Also i hate mtx so i would never get anything from them sry nothing against them i know they have their good stuff but i just dont like mtx or sony car audio products, but thanks for the help anyway. But i think im goin to go with the 20.1 amp from incriminator audio i just need to know what subs im getting i guess. Thanks for the help!

i will be getting a 2000-2005 monte carlo so i have alot of room. Im really not sure one what i want. i checked out the 20.1 amps and i do like them alot. i just dont know what to get yet but the xxx's are lookin really to me. Also i hate mtx so i would never get anything from them sry nothing against them i know they have their good stuff but i just dont like mtx or sony car audio products, but thanks for the help anyway. But i think im goin to go with the 20.1 amp from incriminator audio i just need to know what subs im getting i guess. Thanks for the help!

Well, still from your wants...

If you want MUCH louder... go with TWO Incriminator Audio DP 15's

If you want louder and same SQ as well... go with Two RE XXX 15's

NG

you bash me for reccomending the MT and then you reccomend DP's....ptshhh....
really, if all you listen to is rap...MT's will do fine and be louder....
Brahmas and Tumults are out of the question because you wont get anything new from adire right now....
and in a monte carlo...if you are willing to give up all but the front seats 2 18's are possible....

you bash me for reccomending the MT and then you reccomend DP's....ptshhh....
really, if all you listen to is rap...MT's will do fine and be louder....
Brahmas and Tumults are out of the question because you wont get anything new from adire right now....
and in a monte carlo...if you are willing to give up all but the front seats 2 18's are possible....

All I can say is READ MY SIGNATURE...sums up your existence on this forum...

NG

you bash me for reccomending the MT and then you reccomend DP's....ptshhh....
really, if all you listen to is rap...MT's will do fine and be louder....
Brahmas and Tumults are out of the question because you wont get anything new from adire right now....
and in a monte carlo...if you are willing to give up all but the front seats 2 18's are possible....

And after you're done reading the previous post...LOOK HERE! You're a retard Chris, you have ABSOLUTELY no experience with ANY of the subs you recommend. You have no Idea about motor topology and the real inner workings of a subwoofer. The MT's were NEVER EVER meant for daily...they have EXTREMELY tight gaps and no pole vents...so PLEASE PLEASE quit being a regurgitator...just wait till YOU YOURSELF experience it...then come back. Later

NG

hmmmm you speak of what you do not know, i have installed and listened to A LOT of woofers, especially main stream, and i have listened to my fair share of DD, RE, and Adire woofers and done some work with them as well... so how about you take you and your "i think i am the greatest" aditude and kiss my ass. i dont care how much you have done, i am probably 1/2 your age. I do understand how woofers work and XBL and DM, it isnt exactly Micro Chemistry... The MT is designed for SPL burps, yes, but it can also play Music as well...
as for my existance on this form, you have no idea, you have only been here for 3 months. i have learned a lot from SR20 and Mike and Haibane when he was actually here...but then agian they arent pompous asses with greater arrorance than bill gates with computers like you. and my preveous knowledge came from an MTX/Kicker/JL dealer and what little reading i did on the internet... working there, not buying there. so how about you get of your high upside down bar stool and shut the fuck up... if someone makes a mistake, correct it gracefully, not do what YOU just did...

hmmmm you speak of what you do not know, i have installed and listened to A LOT of woofers, especially main stream, and i have listened to my fair share of DD, RE, and Adire woofers and done some work with them as well... so how about you take you and your "i think i am the greatest" aditude and kiss my ass. i dont care how much you have done, i am probably 1/2 your age. I do understand how woofers work and XBL and DM, it isnt exactly Micro Chemistry... The MT is designed for SPL burps, yes, but it can also play Music as well...
as for my existance on this form, you have no idea, you have only been here for 3 months. i have learned a lot from SR20 and Mike and Haibane when he was actually here...but then agian they arent pompous asses with greater arrorance than bill gates with computers like you. and my preveous knowledge came from an MTX/Kicker/JL dealer and what little reading i did on the internet... working there, not buying there. so how about you get of your high upside down bar stool and shut the fuck up... if someone makes a mistake, correct it gracefully, not do what YOU just did...

I do not believe a damn word you say. You'e a little punk ass kid that THINKS he knows something. Your FUCKING FIFTEEN you little twirp. You have NO FUCKING clue in all honesty...I don't care how long you've been on a forum...jesus christ I've been on caraudio.com for three years...who cares.

You're just a regurgitator...simple as that. You read shit from other people...then you go regurgitate it when the time is right. You have RE components...that's it. You've never owned anything else that you talk about...and It's not like there's 50 people near you that have RE. It's simple...you're young and haven't esperieced (OR LEARNED for that matter) all the car audio world has to offer...it's not an insult...it's just a fact.

SO PLEASE....quit regurgitating stuff and blindly recommending shit. I'm asking nicely, and sincerely...please.

NG

once agian, i never claimed to own a shit load of RE or Adire or anything. as you said, i am only 15, im not loaded with cash, it has taken me 1 1/2 months just to save up $300 while paying for insurance and getting new tires...i work my ass off for what i do get. i had done some reading and reccomended some of these woofers to a few friends, there are 2 kids running DD lower end stuff (one with 2512's and the other with a 2010) one kid with a Brahma 15 who later sold it because he stepped up to an XXX, and one with a Shiva in his room. I also had a Tempest but never got around to building a box for it for my room and sold it. i have also talked to a few people and listened to many a system around florida, you know how many people have systems around spring break time in daytona/Jacksonville/St.Augisteen? you could go down/over there and if you look hard enough you can listen to at least one system with just about any woofer on the market. Im hoping to find someone with some ascendant stuff at hot import nights in orlando since ive heard one set up with an Ava 15 at a car show in live oak a while back. so how about you STFU agian and stop spuewing shit and stop calling people idiots...

It's simple...you're young and haven't esperieced (OR LEARNED for that matter) all the car audio world has to offer...it's not an insult...it's just a fact.

That was my whole point in confronting you. i'm not taking shots at you or saying I'm better than you as a person. My whole point is just the above fact. If you're near Jacksonville...a buddy of mine has a great system, got him hooked up with the cheapest and best system. He's got an alpine 7894 MP3 HU, CDT CL61's, Profile CL400, TC sounds TC9 12, Profile CL1200, custom ported box, deadened trunk. (Plus a yellow top under the hood). All this for under $1000, it's an amazing SQL system.

So, no intentional harm meant...I just hate to see regurgitators...or people that THINK they know more than they do (or act like it).

NG

PS: I've always paid for EVERY single piece of audio equipment I've ever owned. I've worked since I've been 12 years old, for real. So I definitely know what it's like to pay for everything yourself. peace

Well i do want my back seat cause right now i have a '97 eclipse and i kinda want a car with some back seats and some what of a roomy interior. So the 2 15" xxx's or 2 15" mt's/dp's would prolly be the best choice. Would the 20.1 power all those subs good, im not really sure im kinda new with all this i dont know what the best ohm figuration would be for my sub and amp combo. I do have an alpine type R 6.5" component system and type R 5 1/4" coaxials would those be ok to use or should i purchase new speakers and amp for this system set up cause i want some of the best. Thanks for all the help you guys are offering, sry if im being a pain i just want to learn all i can.

Would 2 15" xxx's with 2-20.1 amps powering the subs at 2000 watts each at 1 ohm with an koda component system and like jl 6X9 co axials in the back with a good 4 ch amp to push them. Would this be a good system. Let me know if this sucks or if i just nd to make some little changes. This just came to my mind and it sounds like a good system but i dont knot much like i said. Thanks for all the the help, im learning alot from all this.

Also i will be getting and eclipse H/U i think, looks like they have some better stuff from alpine from what i hear anyway.

Would 2 15" xxx's with 2-20.1 amps powering the subs at 2000 watts each at 1 ohm with an koda component system and like jl 6X9 co axials in the back with a good 4 ch amp to push them. Would this be a good system. Let me know if this sucks or if i just nd to make some little changes. This just came to my mind and it sounds like a good system but i dont knot much like i said. Thanks for all the the help, im learning alot from all this.

Also i will be getting and eclipse H/U i think, looks like they have some better stuff from alpine from what i hear anyway.

You will REALLY need to overhaul your electrical system with TWO 20.1's! Those things are WICKED powerful. In all honesty, ONE 20.1 and two 15XXX's would work well...wire it to .5ohms daily ;)

NG

PS: Eclipse HU's are great, owned their top of the line 8053 and loved it. Also, the koda components are a great choice...look for the proper amp to power them (150rmx x 2). As far as rear coaxials, just get some 6.5's ;) (Won't distort easily like 6x9's)

so what ohm configuration should i get for my subs the dual 1 ohm right. Im not really sure lol i havent learned how to wire two subs in series or anything,i just had to wire one sub in my setup right now. Also i was planning on getting a much bigger altenator and a yellow top under the hood and a yellow top in the trunk. I have a mechanic here that says that he can run extra wires from my altenator to the yellow top in back. I was goin to wire the two 20.1"s to the yellow top in the rear and the other amp for my speakers will be run to the yellow top under the hood. Would the two 20.1's still over power the my elcetrical system. Soory if my questions are stupid like i said im just learning everything cause i just everything paid off and im just now able to buy the car audio stuff that i want. I would really like to take my car to competitions but i dont know if it will be good enough to do that. THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!

Also will the 20.1 wire down to .5 ohms, and what rms watts will it be running at if i do run it at .5 ohms.

so what ohm configuration should i get for my subs the dual 1 ohm right. Im not really sure lol i havent learned how to wire two subs in series or anything,i just had to wire one sub in my setup right now. Also i was planning on getting a much bigger altenator and a yellow top under the hood and a yellow top in the trunk. I have a mechanic here that says that he can run extra wires from my altenator to the yellow top in back. I was goin to wire the two 20.1"s to the yellow top in the rear and the other amp for my speakers will be run to the yellow top under the hood. Would the two 20.1's still over power the my elcetrical system. Soory if my questions are stupid like i said im just learning everything cause i just everything paid off and im just now able to buy the car audio stuff that i want. I would really like to take my car to competitions but i dont know if it will be good enough to do that. THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!

Also will the 20.1 wire down to .5 ohms, and what rms watts will it be running at if i do run it at .5 ohms.

For two subwoofers, get the STOCK dual2ohm configuration. At .5 ohms...and stale electrical you should expect damn near 3000rms from the 20.1 :). Look into getting a 200 amp alternator anyways. Replace the stock battery with a yellow top, and wire a second yellow top in the rear ;)

NG

Awesome thanks. But how would the the dual 2 ohm voice coils wire down to .5ohms i didnt think that you could wire them down that low because wouldnt the final ohm rating from the sub woofers be at 1 ohm and the amp would be read it at .5ohms. Sorry if my question is stupid but if im wrong i need to know so i dont screw anything up. Sorry if im being a pain in the ass but i nd to learn all i can. Thanks alot!

what are the seXXX's, are they a higher modle of the the xxx's or something cause if they are better than xxx's.

Awesome thanks. But how would the the dual 2 ohm voice coils wire down to .5ohms i didnt think that you could wire them down that low because wouldnt the final ohm rating from the sub woofers be at 1 ohm and the amp would be read it at .5ohms. Sorry if my question is stupid but if im wrong i need to know so i dont screw anything up. Sorry if im being a pain in the ass but i nd to learn all i can. Thanks alot!

what are the seXXX's, are they a higher modle of the the xxx's or something cause if they are better than xxx's.

Nope, seXXX's are modified SE's. They are a regular SE with XXX coil/soft parts. Not better...and not made anymore either ;)

Two dual 2ohm subs can be wire to .5ohms wth double parallel. Parallel each individual speaker to 1ohm...then parallel the pair for a final .5ohm load to the amp! peace

NG

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Pick one of these up quick!!!
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NG

Ok yea i didnt think of that, thanks alot for the help i have learned alot i think i will stick around here for awhile lol and try to learn some. I will be purchasing everything starting this summer when i get my new job, cant afford it til then. I just installed a system in my car about 2 months ago and it sounds good but nothing to brag about. Thanks for all the help, hope this system will be good enough to take to a competition!

Ok yea i didnt think of that, thanks alot for the help i have learned alot i think i will stick around here for awhile lol and try to learn some. I will be purchasing everything starting this summer when i get my new job, cant afford it til then. I just installed a system in my car about 2 months ago and it sounds good but nothing to brag about. Thanks for all the help, hope this system will be good enough to take to a competition!

Oh yeah! No problem...

You could also stop by www.caraudio.com if you want to learn even MORE ;)

NG

PS: my username is the same on there too :)