Tornado- Increased Gas Mileage???

aight, i'm lookin to get a tornado simply to increase my gas mileage. but i wanna know if i'll be wasting my money. anyone have or know of them being usefull for other than wasting money?

also, does higher octane gas give better mileage?

aight, i'm lookin to get a tornado simply to increase my gas mileage. but i wanna know if i'll be wasting my money. anyone have or know of them being usefull for other than wasting money?

No.

does higher octane gas give better mileage?

No Civics use 87 do not use higher octain it can cause damage to your engine.

aight, i'm lookin to get a tornado simply to increase my gas mileage. but i wanna know if i'll be wasting my money. anyone have or know of them being usefull for other than wasting money?

also, does higher octane gas give better mileage?
studies have shown that this product does not work for what it is intended. it burns the gas more effectively. not more efficiently...

studies have shown that this product does not work for what it is intended. it burns the gas more effectively. not more efficiently...


would you say its worth the 20-30 buxx off ebay?

would you say its worth the 20-30 buxx off ebay?
uh.... yea sure... it doesn't really work tho. at least at the performance end of the spectrum. but thats just my opinion.

About the Toronado, I think it will just make your intake work better.

No Civics use 87 do not use higher octain it can cause damage to your engine.

No it wont... a higher octain rating only means the gas is more chemically stable... it resists combustion a little more... Higher octain rating is not going to give you better gas milage though, because a honda engine is designed to run as good on 87 as on 93.... the only damage you are causing by purchasing high octain gas is damage to your wallet.

Also... you see a lot of commercials on TV these days about cleaning addatives being added to the gas... these are not bad things either... but just so you know, these companies are only adding the cleaning addatives to the high octain gas.. the 87 and 89 is just regular gas.



Fun facts for people who like chemistry facts... the octain rating on gasoline doesn't actually mean it contains more or less octain. The octain rating system is only named for octain. What determines the higher or lower octain ratings is the way the hydrogen and carbon atoms are formed. Long straight chains of hydrogen and carbon = lower octain rating, rounded chains of hydrogen and carbon = higher octain rating. The higher octain gas also puts out less emissions, because it takes less carbon on the round molecules to form the gasoline than the straight chains do.
Now who realised gasoline was just a combination of hydrogen and forms of carbon? :P

aight, i'm lookin to get a tornado


Stay away from the tornado, it’s a rip-off. Someone should complain about them to the feds, or something! Get them out of business for ripping off kids.

No it wont... a higher octain rating only means the gas is more chemically stable... it resists combustion a little more... Higher octain rating is not going to give you better gas milage though, because a honda engine is designed to run as good on 87 as on 93.... the only damage you are causing by purchasing high octain gas is damage to your wallet.

Also... you see a lot of commercials on TV these days about cleaning addatives being added to the gas... these are not bad things either... but just so you know, these companies are only adding the cleaning addatives to the high octain gas.. the 87 and 89 is just regular gas.



Fun facts for people who like chemistry facts... the octain rating on gasoline doesn't actually mean it contains more or less octain. The octain rating system is only named for octain. What determines the higher or lower octain ratings is the way the hydrogen and carbon atoms are formed. Long straight chains of hydrogen and carbon = lower octain rating, rounded chains of hydrogen and carbon = higher octain rating. The higher octain gas also puts out less emissions, because it takes less carbon on the round molecules to form the gasoline than the straight chains do.
Now who realised gasoline was just a combination of hydrogen and forms of carbon? :P


Haaaa cool nice response but I was told by the dealer as well as many others..Using a higher octain in our cars is not only useless but will also burn faster which is not needed in a 4 banger..This will cause your engine to knock..Our cars are ment to run at a lower rating so I'm told..This is why I use a higher octain in the Turbo GSX more air - more fuel buring???? Just trying to learn somthing here =)..

only reason to run higher octane is if u bump ur compresion so the fuel wont pre ignite(detonation) due to the higher compression of air which means greater heat.

Haaaa cool nice response but I was told by the dealer as well as many others..Using a higher octain in our cars is not only useless but will also burn faster which is not needed in a 4 banger..This will cause your engine to knock..Our cars are ment to run at a lower rating so I'm told..This is why I use a higher octain in the Turbo GSX more air - more fuel buring???? Just trying to learn somthing here =)..

Higher Octane gas DOES NOT "burn faster." Higher Octane Gas does not give you engine knock. Octane is simply a gasonlines ability to resist detination....AKA Knock. The higher the octane rating, the better the gas' ability to resist detonation. The Lower the rating, the LESS of an ability to resist detonation the gas has.

This is why if you run a Turbo'd car or a Porsche that needs 92 Octane on 87 Octane gas, you will have engine knock and screw the motor. Because the motor NEEDS a gasoline that has a better ability tp resist the detonation/knock.

A higher Octane gas has a greater ability to resist detonation. This is why the Turbo GSX needs it. With a lower Octane gas, it is quite easy for the presuures and other factors to cause engine knock detonation. A hihger Octane gas is more resistant to detonation. This means it's more likly to ignite where it is MENT to burn and ignite...not too early or too late.

Your civic being ment for 87 Octane simply means the motor is desgined to not need a higher octane gas to resist detonation. It can run on AS LOW AS an 87 Octane gas. It doesn't NEED a higher grade to run effectily and in tune without knock and detonation. However, you CAN run higher octane and your motor won't complain. it won't add power at all...that's not what Octane does. It will simply be more resist to detonation and knock...and typically as said it will burn better. However, you don't NEED this. Read the fine print, it requires an Octane rating or 87 OR HIGHER. This means you can put in 87, 89, or 92 Octane and be fine. A Porsche Requires 92 Octane. This means you have to run 92 as a minimum. Where-as you can run 87, 89, or 92 on the civic...running 89 or 87 on the Porsche will likely lead to knock and detonation...and that will kill a motor.

As was said, running a Higher Octane gas than the MINIMUM Octane requirement won't hurt anything execpt your wallet. If your minimum octane rating is 87, running a 92 Octane Supreme won't hurt anything but your wallet. The reason that GSX needs a 92 is becuase it REQUIRES a gasoline that is more resistant to detonation and knock. With a lower octane rating, the gas may ignite in the wrong spot and boom...detonation, knock...the 2 things that will kill a motor quickly.

Higher compression in the cylinders creates more heat, and will make it easier for the gas to ignite at the wrong time. These motors need a higher octane rating to styme detonation and knock. This is why higher Compression cars need a higher octane rating....and why turbo'd cars need it. When the turbo shoves all that air into the cylinders the compression is high...and just like a high compresion ratio N/A car it NEEDS a higher octane rating to ensure the gasoline resists the detonation and knock...to ensure it ingites where it is supposed to ignite. Hihger pressures in the cylinder make it easier and more likely the gas will ignite at the wrong spot and case detonation and knock. Your sohc motor has a low compression ratio and does not require a gasoline that is more resistant to detonation. Thats all octane is, the rating of a gasolines ability to reisit detonation and knock. The higher the rating, the more resistant to detonation and knock the gasoline is.

Thats why your the mod ECO always with the good in depth responses. Thanks bro!!

back to the tornado right quick....the purpose of the device is to induce a swirling motion, allowing air to move more efficiently through the intake. although i have not experimented with them, i find it hard to believe that they do nothing, because it sounds similar to the "swirl-inducing vanes cast in the intake runners" that are found in the mazda 6 v6 engine. i dont know why mazda would implement them if they dont work.

Honestly guys this topic has been beat to death through out this forum. If you run a search for this tornado and similar products all you will find is people saying its a POS, and how many have tried it and it did squat. Just think for a quick miniute if it was such a "great" enhancing piece of machinery for our cars we all would be using it. But not once did I hear someone on this forum say to swap a B18 with I/H/E/T the T being for tornado. Bottom line horepower and performance do not come cheap and neither does doing it correclty.

Thats why your the mod ECO always with the good in depth responses. Thanks bro!!

No problem man!! I'm always glad to help out and help explain things. No one wants a bunch of incorrect information floating around. :smile:

this is my first time here and i just was reading through this conversation and i gained alot of knowledge from it.. thank you to all who participated.. im now this much more knowledgable

Honestly guys this topic has been beat to death through out this forum. If you run a search for this tornado and similar products all you will find is people saying its a POS, and how many have tried it and it did squat. Just think for a quick miniute if it was such a "great" enhancing piece of machinery for our cars we all would be using it. But not once did I hear someone on this forum say to swap a B18 with I/H/E/T the T being for tornado. Bottom line horepower and performance do not come cheap and neither does doing it correclty.


i hear what you're saying. however, i'm not looking to get horsepower from it. i just wanna know if i'll get better gas mileage with it. call me crazy, but i don';t think anyone replied with i direct answer to that single question.

thanks a million.

dude. ok.. no it will not help get you better gas mileage. is that good for you? the reason why they say all that stuff on the commercial is because it burns the fuel more effectively... not effiecantly. get it?

Yo, NYcivic! Keep your tires well inflated! That’ll do more for your gas mileage then anything else! Also, keep your eye out for who ever got the cheapest gas in town. That as well will save you some scratch in the long run as well.

Yo, NYcivic! Keep your tires well inflated! That’ll do more for your gas mileage then anything else! Also, keep your eye out for who ever got the cheapest gas in town. That as well will save you some scratch in the long run as well.


good lookin out pimps... i appreciate the info.

K20A2 SWAP IS COMMING THIS SUMMER ALONG WITH THE LAMBO DOORS AND NEW PAINTJOB... VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

eckoman_pdx: My father accidentally hit premium when I first got the dx, and it sounded like hell for the whole week. My mother did a similar thing with the focus(just with 'plus'), and under heavy acceleration, it would sound like somone inside the engine wanted to come out. And agian when a friend wanted to see if premium would help his 2.2l(or was it 2.0l?) Corsica's performance...

You are, of course, the local expert. It could just be coincidence...

I have been reading this stupid shit over and over. One person actually said it burns the gas more effectively and not efficiently "get it" ---- Wow I thought I was in the 3rd grade again. The reason why that product and similar are on the market is because yes, they do something. IF you have a tunnel and air is passing through, it will pass through more rapidly if it is spinning. Actual toronadoes don't get their power from just sitting still. The faster the toronado, the more air it moves and kills more people and does more damage. There is going to be more air taken in by your engine and if it isn't more, then your engine will simply take the air in easier. There is no possible way that adding that to your intake will do NOTHING. The fact that nobody has tried it speaks for itself. Try it and then return it for a money back guarantee. Why would they give you that and go through all the trouble of shipping,etc.? Common sense tells you it does something. If you save 50 cents a day, and it costs 70$, then in about 140 days, it'll be paid for. that's around 5 months. But I'm sure you would save more and it couldn't hurt. It will also last longer than that(the stainless steel will not simply deteriorate from your rough driving) I was about to get one, but my girlfriend just wrecked my 2000 civic ex. Now I'm putting a b16 in my 88 hatch. Anyways, everyone should just stop writing about this without doing any research. And yes, certain cars aren't made for 93 octane gas (which really isn't 93), but I bought my 00 civic in 99 new and put nothing but the highest in there and it has always given me performance. The only time I have gotten black soot around my muffler from burning too rich was when I had my MSD ignition hooked up. Other than that, the actual 91 octane is simply the cleanest gas. It costs a couple cents more, but when you get down to the end of your tank, and there is no gas station around, you'll be glad that you used it because your car will not start to spudder and backfire due to the water content found in the lower octane gases. Thank you all for doing your homework. For the dx, maybe the non-vtec engines don't like the way 93 octane gas tastes.

When you have low-profile tires, it doesn't take much to keep them inflated. Besides, if you love your car, you always look at them to keep them in check. Efficiently is spelled like that. How the hell would a car enthusiast tell you to put the cheapest gas in your car? That's so bogus. In the old cars I've had, if I put 87 in there, sometimes they wouldn't run. (American cars)

When you have low-profile tires, it doesn't take much to keep them inflated. Besides, if you love your car, you always look at them to keep them in check. Efficiently is spelled like that. How the hell would a car enthusiast tell you to put the cheapest gas in your car? That's so bogus. In the old cars I've had, if I put 87 in there, sometimes they wouldn't run. (American cars)


bein that i'm still a newbie, i'm gald that ya'll have been talkin about the gas and octane ratings. TRUTH BE TOLD, whenever i put 93-94 (sunoco) in my tank, i swear to you i get 40-60 miles more to my tank than when i use 87-89. I always fill my tank up and reset my miles when i do so that i know how much i get per gallon (average). who knew?!?!?

I might've went off a little in the last post, but damn, don't you agree that this thread is over? It just keeps coming to my email. I know ya'll know what that's like)

eckoman_pdx: My father accidentally hit premium when I first got the dx, and it sounded like hell for the whole week. My mother did a similar thing with the focus(just with 'plus'), and under heavy acceleration, it would sound like somone inside the engine wanted to come out. And agian when a friend wanted to see if premium would help his 2.2l(or was it 2.0l?) Corsica's performance...

You are, of course, the local expert. It could just be coincidence...

It's coinisdence. Preimum WILL NOT hurt a motor that doesn't need it. The octane rating OEM's give is MINIMUM RATING.

I run preimum on my B18B1 all day long, it's all I'll put in. Does it NEED it? NO, but I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a difference. I do get better mileage on Premium, and my MPG per tank verified it. When the gas attendant (no self serve in Oregon) Put 87 in my tank once on accident, I could notice a difference.

Fact it if you've had people who've had bad luck. That is the ONLY CASE I have EVER heard of with that....EVER. I know PLENTY of people who run hiogher octane rated (typically 89 or 92) gas than the minimum their car needs (87). NONE of them has EVER had issue....EVER. The Octane rating IS the gaslones abilty to resist detonation. When my old D15B7 was knocking BAD like 3-4 years ago, the only reason I got it to last 2-3 more months was I retarded the timing, which helped some, and then switched to premium. It helped reduce the knock enough where the motor went a few more months before blowing.

If you've had people who say they had bad luck cuz of preimum, I'm sorry but Higher Octane WON'T case that. I filled my Tank in Lynwood, WA once with Shell 92. It ran like SHIT. Awful Gas milege. My gosh, it must be the PREMIUM!!! The LS doesn't need it, so that's why!!!

NO!!!!It was just a shitty tank of gas. I filled it with Chevron 92 2 days later and it was fine. I've filled with with SHell 92 since then and been fine. It was just a shitty tank, and the motor didn't like it. Now I don't know the cuases of your friends issues, but a higher Octane than the minimum rating WON'T harm the motor. Think what you want, but the fact still remains. So you know people with bad luck, they got a crappy tank of gas....that doesn't make it fact. Think what you will, but an LS has a minimum octane rating of 87, and I run only 92 on it. Been that way for 3 years. Never had issue...ever...the car and motor are as happy as a clam.

But that's right, you know people who got a crappy tank of gas and or gosh knows what else caused it and they blamed it on the octane rating...so me and everyone else, we're just lying or innocrrect...right? :headshake :rolleyes:

I agree with you eckoman. Thanks. Someone with a brain.

eckoman, that post man me feel better about what i stated. i was sure that mo fos was gonna hit me all types of jibberish about how higher octane is bad.

consider my remarks on this thread done... unless someone runs off on a tangent to something else :evillol: