Collaboration project competed...(Camaro ´69)

Hi everybody!

Here is mine and S.P.Y.R.O´s pro-touring Camaro ´69.
I did´nt have the time to do a progress thread so if anyone have questions regarding details and such I´ll be more that happy to answer and post more pics (got 200 pics in total). This project was sponsored by Hobbybiten (http://hobbybiten.se/) (that´s what it says on the decal, "hobbybiten.se", unfortunally it does´nt show very well), my LHS here in Sweden.

In the ground this model is the Revell ´69 Camaro Yenko S/C (1/25 scale), but it actually consists out of about 4-5 different kits. The body is pretty modified from the original and it takes a trained eye to see what changes I´ve made.

For this project I scratchbuilt a lot of parts, many of them was machined out of aluminum on a lathe and some were made from thin sheetmetal and beer-cans:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/1590/dsc047850cs.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc047850cs.jpg)

We decided it´d be nice to have a fuel cell and a LCD-TV in the trunk, but to my great disappointment (because when you have a deadline it´s a good idea not to give yourself extra work... :grinno: ) the trunk was molded closed. I used a dental probe to cut the trunk open, and I gotta tell ya´ll, a dental probe can hardly be compared with the "overpriced" BMF panel scriber. Using the probe was great, just moving it back and fourth with a light pressure resulted in a clean cut, no problem. But as for scribing lines, the BMF tool beats the hell out of a probe IMO.
(Sorry for the blurry pic but it´s the only one I´ve got):

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/5839/dsc047883hw.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc047883hw.jpg)

As for the interior, using the stock one was out of the question, both me and Spyro thought it was butt-ugly and so it´s not going on the car. As we both like the "pro-touring"-style (mixing old stuff with lotsa new stuff!) we wanted racing seats, a t-shift gear lever, billet steering wheel and column, a clean look and loads of ICE (In Car Entertainment). The subs and amps are close matches to Rockford Fosgate´s (http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/home/) stuff.
I machined the rings for the subs and I made the metal covers for the amps out of a thin metal sheet:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/7017/dsc049188km.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc049188km.jpg)

I have no idea where the instrument panel is from (came from Spyro´s "misc"-box), the black thingy in the middle was cut out from a Tamiya Nissan 350Z, the center-console is also "misc" by Spyro.
Spyro did most of the work on the interior, puttying, sanding, dry-fitting and all that:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/13/dsc049296lh.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc049296lh.jpg)

We decided on using a Model Car Garage (http://www.modelcargarage.com/mcg_main.cfm) PE-part on the dash, but that required some sculpting á la dremel:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/4435/dsc049370wd.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc049370wd.jpg)

First prime-coat, as you can see there is still a lot of dry-fitting, filling
and sanding to do:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/794/dsc049516wq.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc049516wq.jpg)

I´ve always been amazed by turbo-powered engines so I knew I wanted to put one in this car, but for a turbo-powered engine you need a intercooler, right? So I tried to knock that idea out of my head because I figured it would take to much time (we had a tight deadline to keep in mind, IPMS Open 2005) to make place for the intercooler. That´s until I came across Banks Power (http://www.bankspower.com/), they offered twin-turbo packages that are so good and so efficiant they don´t even need an intercooler (having a intercooler would still produce more hp though).
I´m pretty proud of the engine and the whole turbo-setup. Look at this page (http://www.imbalancechemical.com/lucky13/pics.asp?gallery_id=76&catid=4) and you´ll get the idea of how I made the turbos. I scratchbuilt the air filters, the intake and a bunch of other stuff.
First mock-up on the engine to check clearence:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/8708/dsc050908vv.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc050908vv.jpg)

Here are the finished air filters, the red "silicone-stuff" I made from a balloon and the clamps are BMF strips:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/5690/dsc051718nn.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc051718nn.jpg)

Here below is the finished engine minus the turbos (had to install them after I put in the engine). In the pic you can see my machined pulleys, I used a balloon for belts and it looks great IMO. Also visible is the fuel rails (did´nt have the time to mount a fuel line), the wired distributor, I used black Detail Master (http://www.detailmaster.com/) ignition wires. I made brackets for the alternator pulley and the other one down to the right (I have no idea what it´s actually for but I´ve seen it on a other Camaro ´69 with the Banks TT-engine and it looked good:icon16:!) out of thin metal sheet. The actual alternator is from a Ford Mustang lowrider kit, I had to have a smaller one in order to make room for the turbo-piping:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/7412/dsc052754oo.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc052754oo.jpg)

I´ve used Alclad II metalizers on this engine, Dark Aluminum on the block and Aluminum och the heads and intake. Spyro made the manifolds/headers and I painted them, the big round thingy in the from is suppose to look like the wastegates. Painted the starter and oil filter the same color as the car body. Can you spot the oil-stick too?

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/8740/dsc052770bg.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc052770bg.jpg)

Enough of in-progress pics for now, lets have a look at how it finally turned out shall we?

The rims are Pegasus "T´s" and the tires are from a Tamiya 350Z, the mirrors are from a Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 ´68, we discarded the stock grille and replaced it with some fine mesh (painted flat black):

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/9088/dsc052900ee.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc052900ee.jpg)

"Shaved" door-handles, exhaust pipes made from rectangular styrene tubes and painted with Alclad II Polished Aluminum, brake-discs from a Tamiya Porsche 911 Carrera (did´nt have the time to drill them out or to give `em a wash, one of many things I don´t like about this model):

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/1678/dsc052913rm.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc052913rm.jpg)

The engine has finally found it´s home! Hood isolation made out of wrinkled BMF, made the heat shields (mounted over the turbos) out of thin metal sheet:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/4186/dsc053079uo.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc053079uo.jpg)

Engine again from another angle:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/2238/dsc053119wq.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc053119wq.jpg)

Sexy-ass Camaro posing, you can see the 17" LCD screen in the trunk. I´ve modified the rear bumper and painted it with Alclad II Chrome (the front is also painted in the same color):

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/5555/dsc053121um.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc053121um.jpg)

Fuel cell, the fuel hose was mounted shortly after taking this pic. Also the exhaust pipes are sticking out way too much, but that´s soon to be taken care of:

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/7285/dsc053135uu.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc053135uu.jpg)

Here you can see the gas cap that I machined with a polished center, flocking used on the inside of trunk lid. The lights are mounted the "wrong" way, I was sure in the beginning that they were suppose to look like that until I saw pics of real Camaros. But I like how they look a bit more "3D" the way they are now.

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/1743/dsc053185ii.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc053185ii.jpg)

The paint is Tamiya X-27 (clear red) over Humbrol no. 11 (silver) and it has a "Kandy"-effect which is very hard to capture with a camera, you have to see it for yourself. I had to spray about 10-15 layers of X-27 to get it, well, red... After drying the paint was gently sanded with 2000 abrasive, followed by a micromesh treatment (3600 all way up to 12000) and finally Tamiya rubbing compound and a layer of Tamiya modelling wax.

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/3729/dsc053223dy.th.jpg (http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=dsc053223dy.jpg)

That´s all folks!
Any comments are greatly apreciated!

Well , what can i say? 2x :thumbsup: ! You have my admiration for the serious schratchbuilding,the engine and its turbos are a piece of art ( although the upper radiator hose is gone..)
And that paint :naughty: is there anything more sweet to the eye than red candy?

Well , what can i say? 2x :thumbsup: ! You have my admiration for the serious schratchbuilding,the engine and its turbos are a piece of art ( although the upper radiator hose is gone..)
And that paint :naughty: is there anything more sweet to the eye than red candy?
Thanks, yeah it´s pretty obvious that the hose is missing, but when you´re sitting at your modelling desk, 30 min before a show and you still don´t have the mirrors mounted I actaually could´nt care less about a radiator hose. However it´s soon to be mounted as I have it laying somewhere on my desk.

nice camaro, it might be nicer than the one in your sig..

nice camaro, it might be nicer than the one in your sig..

I may be mistaken, but I think it's a Cuda in his sig...

Awesome work on the engine, I love the color of the car and attention to detail. What did you use for the turbo plumbing, and how did you bend it? Also, about the MSD box, did you make the decal or buy it somewhere?

LOL, reading this thread is like watching a SEMA buildup!

Very Impressive !!!!!!!!!1

Nice build. :smile:
body color is sweet and love those engine bay detailing.

Nice build. :smile:
body color is sweet and love those engine bay detailing.

:iagree:

This is another build i had the pleasure of seeing at the weekend, i must have looked at it at least 10 times at the show. Stunning looking model !!!

Great work.
Mike :sunglasse

Thanks everyone for your kind replys, reading such nice comments from people like yourselves really mean a lot to me.

I may be mistaken, but I think it's a Cuda in his sig...

Awesome work on the engine, I love the color of the car and attention to detail. What did you use for the turbo plumbing, and how did you bend it? Also, about the MSD box, did you make the decal or buy it somewhere?

LOL, reading this thread is like watching a SEMA buildup!
Thanks, the plumbing and the turbo is one piece, made out of 2mm lead. If you looked at the link I posted, you can see how he cut off the turbo on both sides, I only cut it on one side and kept the other one as plumbing as it was correct scale. Lead bends really easy without kinking, but be careful as it´s very soft and can easily snap if you bend it to violently. As for the decal, I made it in Word and printed it on transperant decal paper (regular deskjet).
The air filter and the exhaust part is made out of aluminum tubing (3mm), I had a hard time bending it without kinking it, but then I put a 1 mm brass rod in it and that helped a lot.

Hope I made myself clear, please post again if I did´nt!

I think the car looks really good. Engine is absolutly stunning and the color is awesome. However, i dislike the rear of the car. The trunk looks "cheesy" to me, the exhaust is too big, and the tail lights are in backwards. Also the wheels are a little big i think, if they're going to be that big you need to tub the car and drop it so it hides the wheels some. As it is it kinda looks like it has a lift on it. Not exactly "pro-touring."

William

I think the car looks really good. Engine is absolutly stunning and the color is awesome. However, i dislike the rear of the car. The trunk looks "cheesy" to me, the exhaust is too big, and the tail lights are in backwards. Also the wheels are a little big i think, if they're going to be that big you need to tub the car and drop it so it hides the wheels some. As it is it kinda looks like it has a lift on it. Not exactly "pro-touring."

William
Thanks for your two first sentences, unfortunally I have no idea what you mean by "cheesy"...
I just have to ask you a simple question, did you even read the text?
As for the wheels, maybe it´s got a Air Ride suspension, what do you know? :naughty:
Is´nt "pro-touring" kind of like a modern hot rod, I mean your own interprentation of how you would like the car to look like? At least that´s mine and (I think) many other´s idea of "pro-touring" since there is a "pro-touring"-meet thread here on AF.
What is "pro-touring" to you then I must ask, if you don´t mind?

Awesome!

Thanks for your two first sentences, unfortunally I have no idea what you mean by "cheesy"...
I just have to ask you a simple question, did you even read the text?
As for the wheels, maybe it´s got a Air Ride suspension, what do you know? :naughty:
Is´nt "pro-touring" kind of like a modern hot rod, I mean your own interprentation of how you would like the car to look like? At least that´s mine and (I think) many other´s idea of "pro-touring" since there is a "pro-touring"-meet thread here on AF.
What is "pro-touring" to you then I must ask, if you don´t mind?
I didnt' see your comment on the tail lights. I'd say try and change them as the 3-d look doesn't fit the car... As for the "air-ride" suspension, most cars at shows which is what i'd expect a model car to be built to represent (a car at a show) the air ride would be dropped to give the car a nice look and not look like a 4x4. By cheesy i was trying to put a nice spin on saying that the rear of the car doesn't do the rest of it justice. From the front that car looks stunning (stance aside), then i got to the rear/trunk area and was let down. I know what pro-touring means to me as well as the people that actually BUILD 1:1 pro-touring cars as i've been a member of sites such as www.pro-touring.com and www.lateral-g.net since WAY before pro-touring became the mainstream and hit every major magazine and turned into cars like the one in your signature (more looks than function).

William

Oh come on William, "more looks than function"? That´s exactly what it´s not:
http://tunertricks.com/blog/images/CES/rogan/IMG_3975.JPG
any guess how much it puts out?

Looks awesome DukeMan! but it looks so mutch beter irl. awesome work. keep it up!

I stand by my statement of "looks more than function." It take more than a high output engine to make a "pro-touring" car. The car has ridiculous wheels and suspension. It seems to me that alot of people are mistaking pro-touring for "dubs" style. There is a difference. The difference to me is the same as the difference between "rice" and a "tuner" car. I'm not putting down your skills in modeling, i think you just rushed the back of the car too much and it leaves alot to be desired from the way the rest of the car looks (especially your engine). The wheels are TOO BIG to be pro-touring. To scale what are those? 24s? Biggest i've seen on an actual "pro-touring" car is 19s, and that was only to clear the 15 inch disc brakes! That cuda is the nicest looking cude i've ever seen but not exactly what i'd call "pro-touring."

William

P.S. Compared to other pro-touring cars i've seen that engine in the cuda puts out hp numbers that are quite low.

I stand by my statement of "looks more than function." It take more than a high output engine to make a "pro-touring" car. The car has ridiculous wheels and suspension. It seems to me that alot of people are mistaking pro-touring for "dubs" style. There is a difference. The difference to me is the same as the difference between "rice" and a "tuner" car. I'm not putting down your skills in modeling, i think you just rushed the back of the car too much and it leaves alot to be desired from the way the rest of the car looks (especially your engine). The wheels are TOO BIG to be pro-touring. To scale what are those? 24s? Biggest i've seen on an actual "pro-touring" car is 19s, and that was only to clear the 15 inch disc brakes! That cuda is the nicest looking cude i've ever seen but not exactly what i'd call "pro-touring."

William

P.S. Compared to other pro-touring cars i've seen that engine in the cuda puts out hp numbers that are quite low.
I agree with you about people mistaking "pro-touring" for riced up rides, that really sucks but it still seems that "pro-touring" can mean different things to diferent people...

I wasn't trying to diss your skills, the car looks really good from the front, i just think you might have rushed the back. The paint looks amazing as does the engine likve i've said. I agree pro-touring can be taken many different ways, it's just something i'm passionate about since the car in my sig is my 1:1 car that is getting the "pro-touring" treatment now. Big rims aren't the point of "pro-touring", they're to cover the HUGE brakes, most pro-touring cars have 17s or 18s.

William

I'm still impressed that you pulled of such a nice shine with that poor excuse of a paint, at least for big shiny paint jobs. I like it a lot no matter what, a bit to big wheels for my personal taste but otherwise....looks good enough to eat!

See ya!
Niclas

I tried to say my point nicely and clearly in the first post, i had to then further clarify myself, if you have a problem with my posts PM me about it i'd be more than happy to discuss.

William

Great Camaro man!!

Wasn`t Pro Toring first of all a movement to give these cars ( american 50-70`s)handling and suspension of a modern car while keeping the exterior almost stock?

Wasn`t Pro Toring first of all a movement to give these cars ( american 50-70`s)handling and suspension of a modern car while keeping the exterior almost stock?

That's the way I understand it. The bigger wheels were only to wrap around the bigger brakes. Pro-touring cars are built to do just that-tour. The owners retrofit modern suspension, brakes, etc, along with newer, more ergonomic seats and interior, air conditioning, etc. to make a car with the looks they grew up with (the pioneers had these cars in high school, with all their power-nothing, low mpg glory) and the creature-comforts we're spoiled with today. They'll have nice, but not extreme, stereos, decent sized wheels,(I've never seen bigger than 19's, and that was a little big IMO) and everything else needed to make a 69 Camaro perform like a 99 Corvette. The engine and paint of this car is dead-on pro-touring, but I think the wheels, exhaust and stereo were a little extreme (TV in the trunk?) Overall, this is a really nice model, better than I've built. Just maybe not as "pro-touring" as was intended.

Thanks For All Your Replyse And Will69CAMARO Build Your Own Car And Then Talk

Thanks For All Your Replyse And Will69CAMARO Build Your Own Car And Then Talk

If you look into my signature I AM building my own car (and it's 1:1 scale). So i can talk all i want about pro-touring since i'm actually out there BUILDING ONE!

William

This Car Dukeman And I Build Is A Modelcar I Have Build Some Real 1:1 Cars To How Old Are You

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Hey boys, cool dowm. We`re only talking about models here. No reason to start yelling :cheers: <-- this is better

This Car Dukeman And I Build Is A Modelcar I Have Build Some Real 1:1 Cars To How Old Are You

What exactly is the disagreement here? He complimented your model, and also gave some negative feedback-I thought that sort of thing was okay, and usually expected, in this forum? If the debate is over what Pro-Touring really is, Will's been telling me about it for years now. Not only has he been on the Pro-Touring websites since they went up just about, he actually has a Pro-Touring project car in 1:1 and a model sitting on our shelf. And if you're arguing experience, I've helped to build a few cars myself in 1:1, ranging from a 10-second '99 Mustang Cobra to Will's '69 Camaro, but I don't claim to be a modeling expert or a car expert. So, what does all that really matter? He says its one thing, you think another, agree to disagree and go back to building models. BTW, what does age have to do with anything?

Don't take everything so personally, you're supposed to build for yourself, right? It really is a good looking car. There are things that don't appeal to everyone, but there isn't a model built that does.

"Dont ask the question if you cant take the answer" someone said. So instad of :chair: you two should do a "Across-the-Atlantic Collaboration Pro Touring Camaro" :biggrin2: So, swap adresses now!

lol, this arguement is rediculous, your model was complimented, so it wasnt a put down. constructive criticism

lol, this arguement is rediculous, your model was complimented, so it wasnt a put down. constructive criticism

Exactly. I didn't mean to say you "failed" at building it, i just thought the rear of the car was rushed. Other than that the car is amazing. (once again i LOVE that engine). As for age, i'm 20, and a Mechanical Engineering major at Texas A&M. I've been working on my 1:1 camaro since i was 13 and have done almost everything on it myself with friends and family. I only have a couple 1:1 cars of my own but have worked on MANY others. (there's the run down on me incase you felt it was still relevant).

William

First, love the paint and the engine. Both look killer to me. As for the wheels and ride hieght, it's like you said, if it has a airbag suspension then it could look like that. Only thing I'm missing is you can see thru the grille but I don't see any headlights. Maybe I'm missing them. Either way, awesome looking Camaro.

Ok, maybe not a pro-touring... but a hell of a G-Machine though ! Great work, love the paint and the stance of it... the 1:1 must be publish in "Popular Hot Rodding" magasine !