rice should be eaten

Man, whats the deal with these econobox cars with jumbo jet spoiliers and huge tin can mufflers? These little cars are always running up to me and wanting to race. Whats up with that? Someone needs to tell them that stickers dont add horse power. Just the other day i was driving down the road minding my own business when this civic comes flying by and cuts me off, i just ignore it. A few minutes later i end up next to him at a stoplight, the guy is looking over and reving up. So i know he is going to fly. The light turns and he takes off, i sit there and let him get about a couple car lenghts ahead before i punch it. I blow by him before i even get out of 1st gear. Needless to say the civic hangs behind me untill i pull off. What are these people thinking? If they want horse power they need to get a sports car. These people are all about show, but with no go.

ok, i agree, i have never been beaten by an import car in my life beside's my own and my friend's twin turbo 300 zx. but some of those cars show promise to the few owner's out there that can actually drive them.
i have a 96 eagle talon tsi, and i am willing to bet that before you made it out of second gear i would be finished a quarter mile...and before you hit the brake pedal after reaching 100 mph i could already be stopped and waiting for you at the end of the track.
it just takes a special talent and a different kind of knowledge to make an import car faster, and since there just isn't any old timers in the import car business, there are very few people with that talent.
i will never lose my love for muscle cars, but my talon is quickly becoming my fave in a few categories besides straightline power.
i can introduce you to a very, very mean rx7 if you live anywhere near alberta, canada.

No matter how good a driver is, a car can only go so fast. The eagle talon tsi is a slug. It takes it over 15.1 sec. to run the 1/4 mile. My cobra would eat it for lunch.

ok, where did i mention that the tsi is stock?
you might be able to muster a 14.0 pass out of that rustang, if your lucky.
my best pass to date in the talon is a 12.40 @110 mph. and actually, it isn't even my car...it's my girlfriend's.
i put a spearco intercooler into it, a turbo xs boost controller and blow off valve and all the necessary guages in order to make sure i don't blow the thing up. it also got a 3 inch exhaust with no muffler...just straightpipe. a little loud, but not overly. it's only 121 cubic inches.
it has an upgraded in-tank fuel pump, and the rest of the drivetrain is stock save for the centerforce dual friction clutch.
it doesn't even have a short throw shifter.
and btw, these cars aren't even that fast when stock. this thing went a 15.76@85 mph, stock, but also at a 2800 ft elevation. this is probably an eleven second car at sea level, but i won't know until i get to run it in Mission this summer.
btw, my girlfriend is 18 and i am 19. i have been racing for 3 years now and if you think i couldn't take that cobra in the slowest of my cars you are very, very wrong.

I have seen that year range run 15 sec flat, consistently, in the hands of capable drivers. So you where doing something wrong if you where getting 15.7s . Im going to the dragstrip next friday to see what mine runs. I know a guy with similar mods on a 94 cobra that runs 12.8s in the 1/4. And he is a crappy driver.

you must think your some kinda god eh?
you show me a 3500 lbs car that can run 15.0 with 205 hp and i'll call bullshit.
the talon weighs 3678 with a pretty big stereo in it, coupled with the drag from awd, i don't think that a 200 hp 4 cylinder can make a low 15 second pass in that car falling off a cliff.

i have a friend (another girl...lol) with a 96 svt cobra with about 12000 dollars worth of engine work. it has 4.56 gears, better cams, head porting, injector's, throttle body, etc.
on the street my 440 cuda anhialated the mustang (4 car lengths at around 120 mph) and all i have run in that car is a 13.60 @ 100mph
are you just making these numbers up as you go along or do you actually have any way of verifying them with actual proof?
next time i am at my buddy's house i'll scan pics of some 10, 12, and 13 second timeslips. you do the same, than we'll talk.

btw, i don't wanna be your enemy man. like i said in another thread, i like your attitude that american muscle is da shiznit and all that stuff. but don't call me a wannabe....i have met a lot of guys like you before.

Ok, I'm confused by both of you, you both seem to be not the smartest as you will argue the others points and i dont know why :confused:. Also about that girl that has 12,000 into the cobra, she just cant drive cause last I knew, they pulled better numbers than that stock.

ok, don't just barge in insulting my intelligence.
you don't make any sense with that comment, so just hush.
and no, up here you will NOT find a stock car capable of sub 14 second passes. it simply is not possible. the air is just not right and the altitude is too high for the cars to make the advertised power that the factories give them while testing in almost perfect conditions.
the mustang is supposed to have 390 hp, to tell you the truth i don't know how much money it takes to make that much power but changing 4 cam's can't be very easy/cheap in itself.
btw, a buddy of my dad has a 99 c5 vette and it runs 14.20-14.30's. he is well into his 50's and he knows how to shift...cars just aren't that fast up here.

Hey, if you dont believe me check out http://www.car-stats.com Its verafied sources, look it up. It has the 95 tsi @ 15.1 in the 1/4. I dont know what to tell you about your friends cobra, either someone cant drive or the mods are quite miss matched. This guy i have talked to has time slips for his 94 cobra running 12.8. You can check it out athttp://www.forums.svtperformance.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11698 His name is 94cobra

your right, it does say that's what the car runs.
and forgive me for saying you were wrong, but i know that the best you could pull out of one of those cars, at least where i am from, is maybe a couple hundredth's faster than my time.
but that is about right, 6 tenths difference between sea level and 2800 foot elevation. top fuel cars usually run about 5.30 -5.50 at our track, so, there you have it.
it was her dad driving the mustang. he isn't ronnie sox behind a 4 speed or anything but he isn't slow. we both spun real bad but i was still pulling on him towards the very end.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Man, whats the deal with these econobox cars with jumbo jet spoiliers and huge tin can mufflers? These little cars are always running up to me and wanting to race. Whats up with that? Someone needs to tell them that stickers dont add horse power. Just the other day i was driving down the road minding my own business when this civic comes flying by and cuts me off, i just ignore it. A few minutes later i end up next to him at a stoplight, the guy is looking over and reving up. So i know he is going to fly. The light turns and he takes off, i sit there and let him get about a couple car lenghts ahead before i punch it. I blow by him before i even get out of 1st gear. Needless to say the civic hangs behind me untill i pull off. What are these people thinking? If they want horse power they need to get a sports car. These people are all about show, but with no go.

like those v6 camaros/mustangs, and late 80's/early 90's 5.0s and iroc z's that come up revving at me when their car is all stock and for some reason they think they can beat me? (maybe its cuz i drive a wagon :p ) yeah those people are pretty stupid as well. face it there are dumbass drivers on both sides, its not just imports. just like there are fast cars on both sides. your car isnt exactly what id call a "sports car" its a "muscle car" to me a sports car must have a capable suspension to match its engine. your solid axle rear isnt cutting it. a v6 camaro with the rs bodykit is no more of a sports car then an accord v6 with a bodykit, and i bet the accord is faster anyways.

I just have to ask if you even read the original post before replying chebbiesux? He was talking about economy imports, which a Talon is not. You know there are a lot of statements you make that you should think about before you make them. You are debating about your "girlfriends" Talon and stating it can beat a Cuda with a 440ci Six Pack, well being the Talon is modded and the Cuda is a lot heavier of course it would win. Also I would like to hear how much boost you are running to get those times, just curious that’s all. I would agree that the Talon TSi and the Eclipse GSX are slugs stock but they do have A LOT better potential than a Civic. I toy with Talons and Eclipse all the time in my car which weighs about 2900 pounds and I am not sure of the altitude here in Provo Utah but I know it is higher that 2800, so it would be nice to see what I could run at sea level. I can't wait to mod the Baron with some similar things once the Turbo dies and I get another. Also a Cuda has the potential to always be faster than you Talon. No matter what you do to that car the Cuda can be made faster. And the AAR Cuda can handle pretty damn good.

This is sillyness! Why must people go around shitting on everyone elses car? Mustang SVTs are nice cars, (Although not my personal type of car) Talon TSis are also nice cars... Whats the big issue here? People who really appretiate cars don't go around saying "My car would eat yours for lunch" to every one! I don't care if I had a 1000hp GTR I would still give the nicely done Talon props 'cause its a nice car.

man oh man... i just gotta sit back and laugh at some of the shit that goes down here with newbies and such..... LOL

hey 94svt5.0 shuddup. youre new and you are just reposting wut other ppl have said in the past. i thought we weren't gonna have anymore import vs. domestic shit. you kno, it seems like its always the domestics who are causing the shit. why dont you bain deomestics (not all, only ppl who talk shit) from the forum. im not trying to start any fights. i dunt realli like domestics BUT THAT'S ME and im not gonna rave on about my hate for them. ppl who drive domestics, thumbs up, what ever floats your boat. so yah. HEY! you should (the admin) start a talk shit forum. alright

Done venting?
Boy i tell you how i love such pointless dicussions...
:rolleyes:

i hope that the two guys who started off the thread realize how stupid they can make themselves look. oh well. they will both learn eventually- hopefully sooner rather than later.

Speaking of which... has anyone seen RICO around lately? LOL

ok, i don't quite understand you guys...two of you are saying we both look stupid.
i am not quite sure what i did to look stupid, except make the post too complicated for you guys to read.
i never said the cuda was a 440 6 pack. it's newbies like YOU that just make that assumption because one time you were watching speedvision and you think you know the car now.
by the way, the cuda is a 440 4 bbl.
it weighs about 3600 lbs, same as a talon...it makes a little more power, but it isn't awd and isn't a turbo so the two cars drive completely different from each other.
and fastr than you, i would watch who you call stupid.
here you are stating you have a 3800 lbs shovelle that can turn 11.6's with only 430 hp? maybe, but you also say you can get the car to 165 mph...something doesn't make sense, unless you are running a 6 speed tranny in the car. i don't know many 67 chevelle's that came with over drive...which is about the only way to make a car with the equivalent drag coefficient of a brick wall go that fast.
and svt cobra dude wasn't just talking about the econoboxes. he was stating that all imports ARE econoboxes. there is a difference.

Bud you had better watch who YOU call a newbie. Yes I do watch Speedvision but I think you can tell by my signature and avatar that I am a Mopar guy and I damn well know my stuff. I am sorry I mistook your Cuda for a 440ci six pack. They do make them you know. I just assumed being the 440ci six pack is a more popular choice than its four barrel counterpart. I was not ragging on you or trying to be an asshole and I am sorry if I came across that way, but there is no need to get so defensive and make assumptions that I am some brainless poser. You take too quick to defend and that is what makes you "LOOK" stupid.

okay fine. your not a brainless poser.
but it's very hard to tell who isn't on this forum.

Okay, everybody forgot to take their medicine. When did they start putting computer terminals in mental hospitals?. Since i started this let me clear some stuff up. When i said econoboxes i was talking about the low end stuff like the civics. There are some decent imports out there like the WRX, 3000GT, 300zx twin turbo and the s2000. These are some real contenders with potential. The only thing i dont like about these are when there all botched up with stickers, jet wings and fat mufflers. This also goes for the v6 wanabe camaros and other cheap domestic stuff. Like chebby said, im sorry if this is on to high of a level for most of you to grasp. Most of you posted irelevent and stupid stuff in a manner consistent with one track minded rabid dogs. So enough of this topic, on to the next. Whats the deal with these stupid camaros........................................... .......... chevy sucks

BY the way, is this some kind of import only forum?

good point, Polygon....

... and to mr. chebbysux, my HP and torque figures are from the rear wheels and are conservatively rated. it's better to be underestimated than overestimated in a race... case in point right here..... i also do not have an overdrive tranny, however it isn't very hard to bolt a Richmond right up. you can either believe it or not. the drag, although definetely not optimal, is much better than on some other cars out there (tri-five chevys, impalas.....) it happened, and it was scary, and i'm not doing it again, but i did it nontheless. and also, the chevelle is a bit lighter. the stock weight for a 1966 Chevelle SS396 (identical to the '67 mechanically) is 3,307lbs. (not 3,800 lbs), that is with the big block. i'm currently running a small block... the '66 ran 13's with the base 325HP 396 and 3.73s off the factory floor on OEM F70x14 bias plys. do you find that hard to believe too? go check out the October '65 issue of Popular Hot Rodding.... on my car, most of the sheetmetal, the bumpers etc etc was replaced during my restoration with repop parts which are a thinner gauge than OEM (much thinner especially on the bumpers). also, goin from cast iron manifolds to hedders and from an iron to aluminum intakeeliminates a few more pounds. i wish i had a weight to give you, but it is for sure WAAAAAAAAY below your "quote" of 3800lbs.

chebbysux, you should get your car facts straight, and you'd better know more about someone's car before you start talking them down. you obviously haven't posted a whole lot here, and i just don't want you to get off to a bad start. too many people come in here, show no respect, and everything goes to shit.

okay, you might have got a point there.
but since i OWN a 10 second muscle car, and although it can do 135 mph in the quarter i doubt that i could get it anywhere above 145.
it has 4.10 gears and a 5000 stall converter, to run 150 mph it would have to rev like 8500 rpm or more.
so i don't see how your 11 second car could pull 165 mph, unless you are still running those 3.73's and the small block can spin 9000+ rpm
my satellite is smaller than your chevelle and it weighs 3500 lbs, and i have put a fibreglass hood and fenders on it as well as lightweight wheels and etc.
i had a dart with a bigblock that was 3300 lbs, so it doesn't make sense that that chevelle, a fullsized chevy, is the same as mopar's smallest muscle car in weight.
but i do believe that the car would run those numbers with that stock setup. most of those cars were deadly fast back in the day and still are.

well, i have been here 3 days and i already know who knows there stuff and who doesn't. 3 of you have your head's screwed on straight, the rest of you have watched too many movies.

Originally posted by chebbiesux
ok, i don't quite understand you guys...two of you are saying we both look stupid.
i am not quite sure what i did to look stupid, except make the post too complicated for you guys to read.
i never said the cuda was a 440 6 pack. it's newbies like YOU that just make that assumption because one time you were watching speedvision and you think you know the car now.
by the way, the cuda is a 440 4 bbl.
it weighs about 3600 lbs, same as a talon...it makes a little more power, but it isn't awd and isn't a turbo so the two cars drive completely different from each other.
and fastr than you, i would watch who you call stupid.
here you are stating you have a 3800 lbs shovelle that can turn 11.6's with only 430 hp? maybe, but you also say you can get the car to 165 mph...something doesn't make sense, unless you are running a 6 speed tranny in the car. i don't know many 67 chevelle's that came with over drive...which is about the only way to make a car with the equivalent drag coefficient of a brick wall go that fast.
and svt cobra dude wasn't just talking about the econoboxes. he was stating that all imports ARE econoboxes. there is a difference.


omfg you guys are retards

ALL IMPORTS ARE ECONOBOXES HAHAHAH ok

i admit the NSX is abit of econobox yet it can still beat all yo shit since it can pull 12's ..... pretty good for an econobox?

ALL IMPORTS" ??

so ok

i don't think the Lamborghini Diablo is much of an Econobox?

i don't think the Jaguar XJ220 is much of an Econobox ?

i think you two are stupid :D

At least an Econobox doesn't have to go to the Petrol (GAS for you Americans) station every five minutes because they burn petrol faster than you can say "what are you talking about you stupid econobox driver?" (i'd like to point out that that is a slight exaggeration just so that you two know :D)

o and i think that top fuel's 550hp civic can take you altho now it isn't an Econobox :D

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Okay, everybody forgot to take their medicine. When did they start putting computer terminals in mental hospitals?. Since i started this let me clear some stuff up. When i said econoboxes i was talking about the low end stuff like the civics. There are some decent imports out there like the WRX, 3000GT, 300zx twin turbo and the s2000. These are some real contenders with potential. The only thing i dont like about these are when there all botched up with stickers, jet wings and fat mufflers. This also goes for the v6 wanabe camaros and other cheap domestic stuff. Like chebby said, im sorry if this is on to high of a level for most of you to grasp. Most of you posted irelevent and stupid stuff in a manner consistent with one track minded rabid dogs. So enough of this topic, on to the next. Whats the deal with these stupid camaros........................................... .......... chevy sucks

chebbie sucks said all imports

and the most recent SS can do 12's 1/4 stock can yours and if your car can how much more did you pay for it when it was stock ?

the new going away SS has 400hp i think thats pretty good

i think you two should shut the hell up this forum is open to everyone people who dis other peoples cars ( guilty *raises hand toward the vipers*) should shut the hell up especially when they just want to pick a fight (learnt my lesson done so in the past *raises hand again* ) :rolleyes: but i think we should give you a second chance and if you say anything about anyone else's car on this forum you should be dragged out and shot

chebbie- what year's your sattelite? do you have any pics? i'm a big mopar fan, and ya don't see many sattelites out these days....

also, what have you done to it on the motor, chassis etc....

Yeah, being a huge Mopar fan I would love to see some pics of your cars if you got em' as well.

:rolleyes: Yes, I'd love to see them too. I haven't seen many of um.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Since i started this let me clear some stuff up. When i said econoboxes i was talking about the low end stuff like the civics. There are some decent imports out there like the WRX, 3000GT, 300zx twin turbo and the s2000. These are some real contenders with potential.

.... Ok these are not the real contenders.... Just look at any japanese comparo shoot out. What cars do you see there? You see GTRs, RX-7s, Lancers, NSXs, Supras, and from time to time a WRX. These are the high end Japanese sports cars that are more then contenders.

The only thing i dont like about these are when there all botched up with stickers, jet wings and fat mufflers. This also goes for the v6 wanabe camaros and other cheap domestic stuff.
Me neither, so atleast we see eye to eye on somthing :D

Like chebby said, im sorry if this is on to high of a level for most of you to grasp. Most of you posted irelevent and stupid stuff in a manner consistent with one track minded rabid dogs.

To high of a level for most of you to grasp? Just what lvl would that be? Infact I'm not going to even dignify that with a responce.

Why can't anyone just accept other peoples 1/4 mile times and hp numbers????? this is insane! polygon, i'm not sure but i think the elevation here is 4-5 thousand above sea level.

to the retarded nsx guy, true the 2002 ss camaro can run in the 12s out of the box, but look at the year. My car is a 1994 cobra, of course stock it is not going to be as fast as a new camaro ss. But it was running stock with the cars of its year.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
to the retarded nsx guy, true the 2002 ss camaro can run in the 12s out of the box, but look at the year. My car is a 1994 cobra, of course stock it is not going to be as fast as a new camaro ss. But it was running stock with the cars of its year.

too the retarded cobra guy
nah i'm looking at it like this: the new cobra can't beat the SS and the cobra costs more ....... its an econobox wait its not economically viable what does that make the cobra then ? Domestic trash?

Guys, I'm sorry to say but i am going to have to close this thread. It was ugly by the first few posts and now people are calling each other retards. There is no room for that on AF. We need to start respecting each other along with their posts and 1/4 mile times, 0-60 or whatever. Please leave the flaming at home, we're all friends here!

Dave